Updated 8/23
Big Bear: August 25-26

I'm not sure who all is going to attend, or when as not everyone has responded, and I have been so busy lately that I have not been able to organize this as much as I would have liked. Anyhow, I hope you are going to be able to join us. Here are the plans:

Friday Night you are invited to Dave Cole's house for some Potluck BBQ action. You are also invited to spend the night, but please get a hold of Dave and let him know if you plan to spend the night (if you haven't yet) just to make sure he has enough space. He also has limited parking for tow vehicles, and we have several staying there already. You can contact Dave via cell at: 909-810-8443. Here is a map to his place:
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If you are driving up Saturday morning and would like an easier meeting point, then head over to the Cedar Glenn Post Office:
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Doonaold (EarlKann) will be there to greet you and at 9 am he will lead you down to the Deep Creek trail where he will join up with the folks spending the night at Dave's place. Donald reports that there is some space there for parking tow rigs and requests that you park them in the back away from businesses. His cell # is (909) 648-0752 in case you should need it. Keep an eye out for Don's Toyota:
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Once we are all joined up we will be heading up Deep Creek and Dish Pan Springs, then over to Holcomb Creek.

Sunday morning we will once again have a meeting point for people just coming up Sunday (if there are any??) at the Fawnskin Fire Dept, we will leave at 8:30 AM. If you plan to meet us here on Sunday morning, please post up in this thread by Friday 3pm, or call my cell 949-351-4361. If no one requests meeting at Fawnskin, then we will not be there. :flipoff2:
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Sunday plans are a little more loose. Probably run Gold Mtn. and John Bull trails.

I know we are going to have a great showing, and looking forward to hanging out with old friends, and meeting new ones.


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I show the following people are interested in the trips:
Big Bear - August 25-26
Rotozuk - tent
StinkBug - tent
RockinFJ - local
TeenyCAR - sunday
Docfranco - camper
BurbPilot - tent
Childsplay -
EarlKann - local
JeepRecoveryTeam - local
Desert Jeepin - tent
Black01taco
FuglyBronco
fj40forlife & friend - 1 day only if he can make it.
Randy - maybe
Geargoyle - maybe
benttoy & Jake
Jay & Son
84socal
Cal Mini Trucks


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Calico
Rotozuk
bassbelly
benttoy
zcarczar
joshcorso
EarlKann

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Red Rock
Rotozuk
Desert Jeepin - possible guide
EarlKann

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Not looking for a bunch of retards that drink a bunch and drive a little. Families are welcome. (No bitchin' allowed :laughing:)

Big Bear - This will be an easy wheeling weekend and camping kind of thing. Nothing really hard up there anyhow. Should have a good group of folks coming up for this one. We have been trying to pull this one together for months. Waiting for people to finish their builds, etc.

Calico - Probably looking at October for this one. As soon as the temps are looking good. Have had several requests from people to hit this area, and that is fine by me as I do enjoy this area a lot. Depending on the group I might bring the buggy to this event for wheeling fun, or the Samurai for exporing a wider area.

Red Rock Canyon - This is kind of on par with Big Bear as the trails are not very hard. Mostly a scenic exploring trip. Tend to find a new area to poke around in each time. But a normal route will cover Last Chance Canyon and then up to the nearby mountains. Plan is sometime in November.

Lets see also have the Panamint Valley Days in November, that is a must.

After these there is always the Hammers and such during the winter season.

I'll try to update here as things come together. Would be nice to meet some new folks to wheel with.

-Wayne

I would like to do Calico, will have to see how it coincides with school and the two other trips I have planned already though in October.

jake and I would be up for a calico run when it cools down. We did a night run a few weeks ago and I,d like to see it in the daylight

Where's Red Rock? I'm down for all of them. Just did Big Bear a couple weeks ago. I've been to Calico once when I was a little kid, but never wheelin. Any dates in mind or still trying to round up people?

Nothing in stone yet, but Big Bear will be around the end of the month. I personally like wheeling on or around full moon weekends. So that would be about 1 month from now.

Calico is always fun. Spend some time wheeling, and some time under ground.

Red Rock is out near Mojave. Near Jawbone Canyon and Last Chance Canyon. Wheeling is not tough, but usually some good stuff to poke around in, and a rather pretty area to explore. (If you like desert.) Green sticker vehicles should be ok for most of the area....?

-Wayne

I'm about 10 minutes from the "Red Rock" area if'n you want a local contact. I'm certainly game to wheel, day or night... (Night trips can be fun in the dark).


Also, Red Rock can be made more difficult...

Keep me informed on the Big Bear run also, it's been years since I've been there, but last time I was with the Jeep Jamboree USA crowd LOL!

Wayne,

If you do Big Bear on an off weekend, I'd be happy to host a BBQ at my house. I'm about a mile from Willow Creek Staging area.


d

Wayne,

If you do Big Bear on an off weekend, I'd be happy to host a BBQ at my house. I'm about a mile from Willow Creek Staging area.


d

Where TF are we gonna park? LOL

I guess there's that loop at the top of Lovers Lane, but I wouldn't want to drive my truck/trailer around that neighborhood! :laughing:

Wayne,

If you do Big Bear on an off weekend, I'd be happy to host a BBQ at my house. I'm about a mile from Willow Creek Staging area.


d


Ready to get that 4runner going yet?

I'm also local for BB events, hosting, pre-trip planning, etc... Would like to explore the other areas you mentioned.

Ready to get that 4runner going yet?

I'm also local for BB events, hosting, pre-trip planning, etc... Would like to explore the other areas you mentioned.

Yep, I'm ready.

I'm acutally thinking about trying to get it running in the next couple of days.

Phil,

It's REALLY easy to get a regular car trailer in here, 30' motor home w/ trailer is doable but tight.

You can also park right down at the staging area. No cops back by me, I've driven my comp rig down to the trail from my house.

d

Sweet! I just remembering how many "last minute" turns I made thinking man, this'd suck to have to two through, but You live there, and there was that turn-around...

Anyhoo... Us R/C guys know the RR area like our own yard, and I wouldn't mind farting around BB for a while either.

Wayne,

If you do Big Bear on an off weekend, I'd be happy to host a BBQ at my house. I'm about a mile from Willow Creek Staging area.


d

could I pack my tow rig and trailer at your place :D

OK.. Looks like the date is going to be August 25-26 for the Big Bear trip. That is the last weekend in August, and should give us a full moon (or darn near) to play under.

JRT - might be fun to stop by your digs for some BBQ action. I'll run it up the flag pole and see if it sticks. Where-a 'bouts are you located up there? Near the trail areas?

Dallas and I have been talking about a simple trip to Big Bear for probably 2 years now. Just never managed to pull it together. Well, we finally have our street legal rigs together and ready to go.

Any trails up there should be fair game. I imagine I'll be the most "stockish" vehicle in attendance, and I think I can do most all trails there.

Please bring the wife and kids if they enjoy wheeling and camping. Bring the dog(s).... Bring a hammock! Moderate drinking in camp is fine, but not on the trail.

If your idea of camping is drinking everything in sight, littering, fireworks and rolling your rig on easy trails, this is not the group for you. (Infact, sell your 4x4 and annoy your neighbors on the weekends.)

Post up if you are interested in this trip, and let me know if the date works for you or not.

Thanks,

-Wayne

I'm about 10 minutes from the "Red Rock" area if'n you want a local contact. I'm certainly game to wheel, day or night... (Night trips can be fun in the dark).


Also, Red Rock can be made more difficult...


Sounds good to me! I have done this trip with a couple of crusty old guys in the past that have been hitting that area for the last 40+ years. Always had some good stories, and knew the area well. (Sorry crusty guys if you read this..:flipoff2:) Would love to have a local drag us city folk around. I don't think the crusty guys are wheeling anymore..?

How tough can it get? Where?

Thanks!

-Wayne

Yep, I'm ready.

I'm acutally thinking about trying to get it running in the next couple of days.

Phil,

It's REALLY easy to get a regular car trailer in here, 30' motor home w/ trailer is doable but tight.

You can also park right down at the staging area. No cops back by me, I've driven my comp rig down to the trail from my house.

d


Dave,
You get another 4runner?? It'd be cool to hang out again, been along time bro.I'd be down to do some BB runs. Hopefully I get my Lincon Locker in soon.

Dave,
You get another 4runner?? It'd be cool to hang out again, been along time bro.I'd be down to do some BB runs. Hopefully I get my Lincon Locker in soon.

I've got a completely virgin 86 runner sitting on my deck. Needs tires (I might somebody:flipoff2:), hookup the EFI system, install a FROR crossmember and Tcase and bolt in the drivelines.

ready to roll:evil:

Don't get me wrong, getting to my house is no picnic (pardon the pun) but there is a ton of open space at the top of the hill to park and everyone is always welcome for as long as they want.

I live about a mile from where 3n34 crosses the asphalt at 173 and heads over to the Willow Creek staging area.

We could do a prerun/bench racing hang out at my place on Friday night and then hit the trails on Saturday morning or whatever you want.

I'm basically off of work every other weekend.

d

I've got a completely virgin 86 runner sitting on my deck. Needs tires (I might somebody:flipoff2:), hookup the EFI system, install a FROR crossmember and Tcase and bolt in the drivelines.

ready to roll:evil:

Don't get me wrong, getting to my house is no picnic (pardon the pun) but there is a ton of open space at the top of the hill to park and everyone is always welcome for as long as they want.

I live about a mile from where 3n34 crosses the asphalt at 173 and heads over to the Willow Creek staging area.

We could do a prerun/bench racing hang out at my place on Friday night and then hit the trails on Saturday morning or whatever you want.

I'm basically off of work every other weekend.

d

[thread hijack] Well...maybe not a VIRGIN 4runner. I did rape it a little bit. Probably not as much as you will given enough time.:D I do still dig the 80's paint job! [/thread hijack]

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Back on topic. Date seems good for me as of now.

Well, over by where you are thinking is Last Chance, Golar, Nighmare... All of which are fairly easy, but there are off-shoots that get interesting. Pretty much all about looking for the obsticles.

East of Ridgecrest (About 5 mintes from my house) there are a couple other little canyons, about the same but with more crazy optionals, most not yet tried because I'm the only buggy left in town.

In the same general area is the "Arca Piles" which are basically just large out croppings of rocks that I like to play in. No rules/trails, just places to get f-d up in.

We have a LOT of area with interesting little spots here and there. I can't think of any "Hammers" type trails close by, but I like to run from one trail to the next hitting all the good spots.

Well, over by where you are thinking is Last Chance, Golar, Nighmare... All of which are fairly easy, but there are off-shoots that get interesting. Pretty much all about looking for the obsticles.

East of Ridgecrest (About 5 mintes from my house) there are a couple other little canyons, about the same but with more crazy optionals, most not yet tried because I'm the only buggy left in town.

In the same general area is the "Arca Piles" which are basically just large out croppings of rocks that I like to play in. No rules/trails, just places to get f-d up in.

We have a LOT of area with interesting little spots here and there. I can't think of any "Hammers" type trails close by, but I like to run from one trail to the next hitting all the good spots.

Don't need anything like the Hammers, too pretty an area not to explore around and find things. You know of any good mines to poke around? Interesting sites? Longish trails of interest? One of the trails we have done in the past takes you across Jawbone and up a mountain side with an antenna complex. From there you cruise along a little rutted trail and end up at an adopt-a-cabin. Usually has a bit of snow up there. Not a tough trail, but great scenery. Ideal trail would be something like that, but tougher.

-Wayne

We could do a prerun/bench racing hang out at my place on Friday night and then hit the trails on Saturday morning or whatever you want.

That sounds like a good plan. Might be pretty late on Friday. :D I can bring some duct tape to donate to your 4Runner project. :flipoff2:

-Wayne

Don't need anything like the Hammers, too pretty an area not to explore around and find things. You know of any good mines to poke around? Interesting sites? Longish trails of interest? One of the trails we have done in the past takes you across Jawbone and up a mountain side with an antenna complex. From there you cruise along a little rutted trail and end up at an adopt-a-cabin. Usually has a bit of snow up there. Not a tough trail, but great scenery. Ideal trail would be something like that, but tougher.

-Wayne

I know where you are talking about. That's the 'Bender Snow Day trail. It's McGyvers Cabin, or however you spell it.

There's a LOT of stuff around here, though I wouldn't recommend hanging out in any of the mine shafts, there are mines all over the place, and ofcourse there's always that tunnel that you can walk through the moutain... (Fawk me, I can't remember it's name...).

I've got a couple books of mines/trails that you could easily make a month worth of trips from.

and ofcourse there's always that tunnel that you can walk through the moutain... (Fawk me, I can't remember it's name...).



I know that mine. Bailey and I walked through it 7 or years ago.

d

Burro Schmidt Tunnel! Ha!!! Only took an hour!

Hey guys.. What trails are you planning on running up there that weekend?
Dishpan springs, willow creek, Holcomb Creek? I’m new to the wheein in big bear area.. Just moved down from nor-cal (Chico, CA).. And I need to get out there and get my feet wet....If you guys don't mind i would like to possibly tagalong.. Let me know if you guys think ill have trouble in my DD here are some pics....


Deer Creek, Chico Ca
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High Lakes, Chico ca
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Barrett lake, Tahoe
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Hey guys.. What trails are you planning on running up there that weekend?
Dishpan springs, willow creek, Holcomb Creek? I’m new to the wheein in big bear area.. Just moved down from nor-cal (Chico, CA).. And I need to get out there and get my feet wet....If you guys don't mind i would like to possibly tagalong.. Let me know if you guys think ill have trouble in my DD here are some pics....


I've seen Big Bear done in IFS rigs before. I see TRD so I'll assume at least the factory locker. There may be some spots where you will have to choose an easier line with the IFS and longer wheelbase, but you shouldn't have a problem.

I've seen Big Bear done in IFS rigs before. I see TRD so I'll assume at least the factory locker. There may be some spots where you will have to choose an easier line with the IFS and longer wheelbase, but you shouldn't have a problem.

I agree.. Should not be a problem. If it is, we can always work it out.

Trails - Whatever everyone wants to do. But I know my favorite up there is Holcomb Creek, so that will be on there. Dishpan can be fun, Gold Mountain, White Mtn, whatever.. Maybe not John Bull, I'm sick of that stupid trail. (No shade). I did a trail a few months ago with a Forestry Ranger that I had never done, it is just behind John Bull. Can't think of the name, but it was interesting. Some OLD housing sites were back there, a small mine and some springs. There is an old Cadillac on the hill at the end near the Mitsubishi Cement factory. If we get bored we can winch the Cadillac back up the hill as the Forestry guys want it out of there. (A club spent a day getting it up onto the trail, then some ass hats shoved it back down the side before it could get towed off the trail.) Probably a task best left to full sizes on this slippery hill.

Would be great to have you along.

-Wayne

I will be driving my bone stock 86 Runner. Open/Open IFS on 31's.

There is no trail in Big Bear/Arrowhead that I haven't done with the exact same setup.

d

Let me know if you guys think ill have trouble in my DD



You will be fine. I've been up there a couple times in my bone stock Ranger open/open on bald 31's. Big Bear is way more fun in a stock-ish rig than something really built in my opinion.

I you guys decided on a date????

I you guys decided on a date????


See post #1 :flipoff2:

See post #1 :flipoff2:

Oops, thought they decided.:shaking:

That sounds like lots of fun. I've been looking for some easier type trails to get my feet wet with my suburban. I was hoping to do it sooner than later as I might be moving to texas by the end of the month, but If I'm still here, I'll bring the family along for that 25th camp out.

Jim

That sounds like lots of fun. I've been looking for some easier type trails to get my feet wet with my suburban. I was hoping to do it sooner than later as I might be moving to texas by the end of the month, but If I'm still here, I'll bring the family along for that 25th camp out.

Jim

Suburban.. Yikes! If it is stock, it might give us some trouble. Lets just say you are likely to have the most "fun" in the group.

-Wayne

fun is what it's all about....but I definitely don't want to break anything :) It's not quite stock but not highly modified:

http://www.crawfordfamilia.com/90sub7.jpg

Hey, I intend to attend in my "stock-ish" 95 YJ...

Good to know guys...Thanks for all the input, appreciate it. Sounds like its goning to be a good trip....Iam down for whatever trails you guys want to run, I just hope I can make it up that weekend:mr-t::mr-t:

thanks,
Drew
PS: yes it has a rear e-locker

So is this going to turn into a "Post pics of what you're driving" thread?

I'll be up there also in my Sub with the wife and kids. Is anybody going to camp up there on friday?

That's probably what my family will do...I need to get details though. Is there a website as to where the camping areas are and any license or fees?

I'm going to try and make this, about 50% right now though. The Cantina for the 'Con is the next weekend, and i'm getting my junk ready and heading up for that on Thursday. I'd really like to get up to Big Bear again and meet some of you guys.

On another note, anyone heading up to Rubicon for the Cantina? If you are even remotely considering it, GET UP THERE!! There's a lot of raffle prizes, tons of good food, and the chance to show your support for the trail. I'll be working the kitchen, come up and find me and i'll make sure you get hooked up.

I got a map of Big Bear online at www.frankosmaps.com It was 6.00 and shipping, but you can also get it at the discovery center up there. I believe to park or camp you have to have an Adventure Pass, They sell either daily or anual passes. Just look up San Bernardino Adventure Pass on google and it will tell you everything I'm going to try and get that anual pass before I go.

I'm just going to park my stuff in Daves backyard... There's TONS of room. :flipoff2:

going to try to go... maybe drag my friend with his runner out to since hes been wanting to go...

With the talk of camping, it is time to refine the plans a bit more.

In the past I have gone up in small groups and camped off the side of the trail at one of the many single camp spots they have scattered across the trails. With club events we usually camp at a group site the Forest Service reserves for us when we are working on the trails. And I have also camped in the normal campgrounds.

The key question is how many of you plan to bring some sort of camper or trailer that you will want to camp from? I'm planning on coming up in my wheeler and tenting. If no one plans to use a camper, then I'd suggest camping away from a campground.

-Wayne

I'm local, no camping.

i may just would be able to go one day if i do go.... its a 50 50 right now... you guys goingto have cb?

I'd probably tent it overnight with the fam

If I camp, it'll be in a bag under the Jeep.

Is anyone cruizin' on Sunday? I'd like to come up in the morning and run a trail in my "stockish" YJ.

I have no finite plans, so I may be game for some trails Sunday.

Addressing the "Comms" issue... Who uses what? I prefer 2M, but I can install a CB if that is what the group is going to have.

--KI6AKG

i would like to go to calico i have a score to settle with the doran entrance!
id hurry up on the big bear trip if these idiots (http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9041) adopt anymore trails they are going to pave them. i just cant understand why they would do what they are doing.

I have a Vertex 3200.

i would like to go to calico i have a score to settle with the doran entrance!
id hurry up on the big bear trip if these idiots (http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9041) adopt anymore trails they are going to pave them. i just cant understand why they would do what they are doing.

sorry for the hijack but if you want to do doran just say the word We,ll be there
the entrance is a bitch even with stickey tires

Oops it will have to be after the 19th.

that beatch took my shafts out and left a really good gouge in the side. thats what i get for wheeling 35"s on a stock 30. il hit you up when we go.

:DI think we'll be sleepin the Sub

I'll have a CB, and I'm pretty sure Dallas has a CB in his.

Tennycar.. Bring it! We will be hitting some trails on Sunday. You can run hot laps while we cruise along.

I also will probably just bring a sleeping bag and crash under the stars.

-Wayne

I'm local, no camping.

x2

I got your message Wayne. I leave for Rubicon Tomarrow evening. If everything holds together I'd definitely be up for Big Bear. I might be able to drag a few buddies along as well. I'll keep in touch. I'm looking forward to a nice Sunday drive in the mountains!

I am going see if I can make this. I may camp, but my camper is on the back of my tow rig so i can take it most anywhere. if i do not camp i may stay with a bud who lives near BB airport. I will hopefully be bringing the wife & kid. :D
Do you have any ideas yet on where you may camp?

No plans yet on where to camp. I'm open to all suggestions.

Eric, I talked to Rusty today, and he sounded interested even though he doesn't have a vehicle to drive other then the Ford.

-Wayne

Will this be a family oriented type thing? This would be the first time I took my truck out (mildly modified) and kind of skittish about breaking something, but I'd at least like to tray some trailing.

i would like to go to calico i have a score to settle with the doran entrance!
id hurry up on the big bear trip if these idiots (http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9041) adopt anymore trails they are going to pave them. i just cant understand why they would do what they are doing.

Well, I suggest you join a club on a clean up trip and find out for yourself. You will have a great time, meet some good folks and discover that to keep trails open you sometimes have to do things that you might not want to do.

I looked at the site you mentioned at did not see anything wrong with what they were doing. They have a tough trail to take care of. It gets a lot of use/abuse, liter and no shade. If that was not enough they also have to contend with some major erosion problems.

But basically, the Forest Service tells the clubs what work needs to be done, and they usually work along side with us. The main work my club has to do (Gold Mtn.) is erosion control, and keeping people on the trail. The trails also need to meet a certain level of difficulty. So if a trail is inventoried as "EASY", then the trail needs to be easy. If it is "Most Difficult" then it needs to be maintained to that level. The Forest Service's rating of most difficult is not all that difficult. Anyhow, sometimes you are making a trail easier, sometimes you are making it tougher.

My club has struggled to keep part of our trail "messed up" enough for its most difficult rating. Why struggled? Because of the heavy stacking that takes place, and the area also self fills over time. I could be up there every weekend pulling rocks out. Heck, we have been up there pulling rocks only to have a group come through and stack it back up. (There is a nice bypass around this section too!)

Failure to do this works means we loose more trails.

Thats my 2 cents.

-Wayne

Will this be a family oriented type thing? This would be the first time I took my truck out (mildly modified) and kind of skittish about breaking something, but I'd at least like to tray some trailing.

Yes, family oriented. Maybe not foo-foo family oriented, but kid safe.

Well, I'll tell you what.. I know a fair amount of the people that are planning to go. Most of them have been wheeling for a very long time, and most are planning to bring their street legal rigs, like myself. I think we are all looking for a more relaxed and enjoyable trip. At least that is my goal. So if nothing else I'll hang with you. Big Bear is more fun with stockish vehicles anyhow.

If some folks want a more frantic pace, then they are welcome to split into a separate group and blast around. Maybe meet back up around a campfire in the evening.

As you can tell, I'm not really big on planning a trip. I like to leave it loose and open based on the folks that actually show up.

People- if there is something or somewhere you want to hit, post up!

-Wayne

Sounds perfect and fun. I'm going to do my best to be there.

Well, I suggest you join a club on a clean up trip and find out for yourself. You will have a great time, meet some good folks and discover that to keep trails open you sometimes have to do things that you might not want to do.

I looked at the site you mentioned at did not see anything wrong with what they were doing. They have a tough trail to take care of. It gets a lot of use/abuse, liter and no shade. If that was not enough they also have to contend with some major erosion problems.

But basically, the Forest Service tells the clubs what work needs to be done, and they usually work along side with us. The main work my club has to do (Gold Mtn.) is erosion control, and keeping people on the trail. The trails also need to meet a certain level of difficulty. So if a trail is inventoried as "EASY", then the trail needs to be easy. If it is "Most Difficult" then it needs to be maintained to that level. The Forest Service's rating of most difficult is not all that difficult. Anyhow, sometimes you are making a trail easier, sometimes you are making it tougher.

My club has struggled to keep part of our trail "messed up" enough for its most difficult rating. Why struggled? Because of the heavy stacking that takes place, and the area also self fills over time. I could be up there every weekend pulling rocks out. Heck, we have been up there pulling rocks only to have a group come through and stack it back up. (There is a nice bypass around this section too!)

Failure to do this works means we loose more trails.

Thats my 2 cents.

-Wayne

yeah but making it easier to do will only bring more trash and people. that trail detoured alot of people cuz it was to hard, so they made a bypass, whats to say that they wont make a bypass of that bypass when it gets washed out and to hard. do they close the hardest part. bums me out cuz that was fun to go up and was hard enough not to have a crowd. this reminds me of dishpan. that was ahell of a trail and a great place to swim. now go there on anyweekend you will find a lot of people and broken glass. wow.

Looks like Im in!!!!! Just picked up this baby this morning!!!!:bounce2::bounce:


Its got 31's open/open am I going to need rocker protection?

need ... no

want for increased fun factor ... yes

need ... no

want for increased fun factor ... yes

I'll leave the body damage for the buggy, guess I'll go invest in some metal before heading up there...

I plan on going in a LWB suburban with no rock sliders...33's, Limited slip clutch type.

Right awwwn Matt! Solid axle even! That will help, but I'm with Chris. You don't NEED the sliders, but you'd be happier with them.

My rig is pretty much Hammers ready, though it has only been once and hasn't finished a trail yet.:shaking: I don't mind going in front or rear and helping to spot the newbs/oversized rigs through. It's fun just being out on the trail even if we don't get too far.

newb here :D about how many rigs are going to be out there

Sounds like a ton. There are a few that might get regulated into "Trail Leader/Tail Gunner/Spotter" type duties.

Wayne, call Rusty and tell him to put that stupid harness back in and bring the toyota. Poor girl just sits there collecting rust!

This is going to be bigger than the last event. It ought to be fun.

This is going to be bigger than the last event. It ought to be fun.:shaking:
if your bothered by it dont go ... simple as that

if your bothered by it dont go ... simple as that

Wow, does it look like I am bothered by it? Shut up you internet gangster.:laughing::laughing::flipoff2:

Wow, does it look like I am bothered by it? Shut up you internet gangster.:laughing::laughing::flipoff2:

The shaking head smiley :shaking: makes it look like you were trying to be sarcastic.
I don't think that was your intent. Try this one next time. :D


:flipoff2:

The shaking head smiley :shaking: makes it look like you were trying to be sarcastic.
I don't think that was your intent. Try this one next time. :D


:flipoff2:

You going to come out for this one? I hope we run John Bull this time, it's been along time since i've been on that trail.

Looks like Im in!!!!! Just picked up this baby this morning!!!!:bounce2::bounce:
Its got 31's open/open am I going to need rocker protection?

Sweet!! Lets beat on it!! :D Looks like a nice rig, and should be ideal for this trip.


UPDATE I updated the first post with people names of folks that have shown interest in going on the runs:
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7060198&postcount=1

Let me know if I missed you!

With this many people we may want to split into 2 groups. I know several of you with "stockish" vehicles are bad liars and you might want to group together and hit the trails with a bit more speed then those of us with very "stockish" rides. But we can work that out on the trail.

More to come..

-Wayne

About what time are you guys going to be out there sat?


Eric

I dont know, but that's a good question. I don't even fly into IYK until 8PM Friday, so I'll be exhausted when ever it is that I do get there.

Sweet!! Lets beat on it!! :D Looks like a nice rig, and should be ideal for this trip.


UPDATE I updated the first post with people names of folks that have shown interest in going on the runs:
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7060198&postcount=1

Let me know if I missed you!

With this many people we may want to split into 2 groups. I know several of you with "stockish" vehicles are bad liars and you might want to group together and hit the trails with a bit more speed then those of us with very "stockish" rides. But we can work that out on the trail.

More to come..

-Wayne

Jake And I will be up for Big Bear also

Keep in mind that TTORA is having their annual trip up there that weekend...last year the rangers were watching them.

Hey i am in for the most part. It should be me, my pup and a buddy or my Pops. Just have a few questions. you talked about Tenting it on the trail. are you going to hit the trail friday? if so what trail. we can come up anytime on Fri. Just trying to figuer out where everyone is staging on fri & time.
Thanks,
Drew

Hey i am in for the most part. It should be me, my pup and a buddy or my Pops. Just have a few questions. you talked about Tenting it on the trail. are you going to hit the trail friday? if so what trail. we can come up anytime on Fri. Just trying to figuer out where everyone is staging on fri & time.
Thanks,
Drew

I'll be bringing my dog too, she will be happy to see another.

I need to chat with Dave (JRT) and see about meeting at his place Friday night... I'll send him a PM next. so details to follow.

As for Rangers on the watch, that is fine. I'll be sure to wear my SBNF volunteer shirts. :D I know a couple of them anyhow. Should not even be a concern unless someone is doing something stupid. (However we will be exceeding their allowed number of vehicles without a permit (the limit is around 3 or 4 vehicles!!). Luckily we are not an organized group..):flipoff2:

-Wayne

hey im new to this forum i would like to meet up with u guys but would like some more details about where in big bear is everyone meeting and what time so i can plan on getting time off work and do u think ill be ok on most of the trails up there open front locked rear on 36's
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/84socal/azusatrip034.jpg

is that azusa?

Wayne,

Sorry for the full box.

I'll be on my cell all afternoon.

Shoot me a call 909 810 8443

d

hey im new to this forum i would like to meet up with u guys but would like some more details about where in big bear is everyone meeting and what time so i can plan on getting time off work and do u think ill be ok on most of the trails up there open front locked rear on 36's
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/84socal/azusatrip034.jpg


36's and one locker is more than enough for Big Bear, as long as you can drive it.:flipoff2:

I don't think that we have any details on time and place just yet.

yup thats azusa thats before the locker just put it in this week well if u guys think ill be fine and ya im a descent driver ive been offroading since 16 so i know my limitations sounds great lookin forward to goin and meetin some new people :bounce2: sweet just let me know the info

yup thats azusa thats before the locker just put it in this week well if u guys think ill be fine and ya im a descent driver ive been offroading since 16 so i know my limitations sounds great lookin forward to goin and meetin some new people :bounce2: sweet just let me know the info

ya could tell it was long time ago cause of the green sticker... think of going this weekend to try some stuff out before bigbear...

when were u thinkin of going

ya could tell it was long time ago cause of the green sticker... think of going this weekend to try some stuff out before bigbear...

Azusa? what day?

Ill think ill be up there sun....

I'm really lookin forward to the Big Bear trip. It's gonna be the first time I've had the StinkBug on dirt in nearly 3 years. Just finished a little refurb job on it, got it smogged and registered again and it's ready to go. I'm locked front and rear, on 35s now, but my ARB harness isn't plugged in at the moment and I'm not really planning on fixing that for this trip. I think it'll be more fun without lockers. It's been a long time since I've been wheeling just for the fun of getting outdoors, so I think I'll be hangin out with the stock group if we split up.

http://www.stinkyfab.com/images/projects/StinkBug3/SBR013.jpg

Dallas

I was planning on coming up Fri. so if theres anyone else wanting to go friday lets meet somewhere. I've also got a CB. I might bring my 4runner also,(wifes truck).

Ill think ill be up there sun....

sweet man ill probably see u up thee maybe

so what happens if something breaks while up there...tie rod end or whatever? How do you guys get off the mountain?

Still working out the details on good meeting points and times. Rough plan is to have meeting spots and times on Friday night, Saturday morning and Sunday morning (if needed).

Have no idea on the trails, and since they are all mostly grouped together in Big Bear, I think that is fine. We will figure it out as we go. I'd like very much to do Holcomb Creek at some point. (My favorite up there.)

I'd like to think that breakage in Big Bear should not be an issue, but we know that is just not the case. Things happen. If you break down, I expect you to crawl under your rig and fix it. If you have a known weak spot on your rig, please bring spare parts if possible. I can only speak for myself and say that I will do my best to lend a hand and make sure you and your gear are safe and hope you will do the same for me. But it may mean leaving a broken rig on the trail (especially something like the Suburban) to go fetch parts or tools. My Samurai is not going to be towing a full size for very long, even down a smooth dirt road. :laughing:

I guess that leads to some suggested items to bring as it appears we have some new folks:

Tow strap (without nasty metal hooks on the end)

Please have tow points front and rear on your vehicle!

Tools for most common work & some spare parts as you see fit

It is hot and dry up there, bring your fluids to drink.

Food & Snacks - D'uh

Please plan to wear some shoes or boots. I've had a rash of drivers wearing gay little flip-flops lately and am sick of the blood on the rocks.

Air gage and if you have it, air up tools and tire repair kit.

CB if you have one. Cell phones work so-so in parts of Big Bear.

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No basket cases! Big Bear seems to attract vehicles that are not healthy, and none of us wants to waste our weekend wrenching on someones rig that should not have been on the trail in the first place. If your vehicle has cooling issues down in the city, it will only get worse in the mountains. If you have a t-case that is held in by ratchet straps, then maybe you should fix that. I tend to be less helpful when a pre-existing conditions like these starts eating into our fun.

Hope that helps..

-Wayne

Using my place as a staging area on Friday night...

We could head down to the Willow Creek Staging area on Saturday morning. Across 3N34D to T6 crossing at Deep Creek. That would be a good place to meet the guys coming up on Saturday morning. You can get to T6 at the end of Hook Creek Road (Cedar Glen).

Up Deep Creek/Dish Pan. Over to and Up Holcomb Creek. That would dump you out near a ton of dispersed camping sites by mid to late afternoon (assuming a farirly slow day of it). You could set up camp and still be close to John Bull for a night run.

I can arrange for parking at my house (you'll have problems with over a 20' trailer though). You can drive trail only rigs from my house to the trail. I've got floor space for 10-15 as long as you like it cozy :flipoff2:

I've got a BBQ and wouldn't mind firing it up.

Depending on how the rebuild goes on my car, I am planning on being at the Hammers on Sunday morning for a cleanup, plus I need to do some testing on my car before Nationals. I might only hang for a little bit of Saturday wheeling but would love to host the 'pre-party'.

There is a cool little night run spot just down the hill from my house. Everything from fire roads with a view to a few spots that I'm sure I still can't go up in the comp car.

Bring it

d

burbpilot


heres a link of how I new what to carry. Just started to get stuff by stuff as knowing what are the weak points of your rig you could get spare parts
hope this helps

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/trail/131_0505_traveling_checklist_off_road_preparation/index.html

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There is a cool little night run spot just down the hill from my house. Everything from fire roads with a view to a few spots that I'm sure I still can't go up in the comp car.

Bring it

d[/QUOTE]

Dave,

Are you talking about down the street from your place or down the hill??

JRT, if you got the BBQ, I'll bring steaks on Fri. Just need to know where you at and what time is cool to show up. Also how many steaks?

thanks fj40forlife, The "checklist" printout in .pdf doesn't work on their site....do you happen to have it?

thanks fj40forlife, The "checklist" printout in .pdf doesn't work on their site....do you happen to have it?

well I had it when it came out in the mag. along time ago. but i did right check and save it. im not to smart with computers tho... sorry.

This is a good place to start, if you have been out more than a few times in your rig you may already know which spares to have and have specific tools in your box. http://www.offroaders.com/tech/Offroaders_Checklist.htm

Great info, thx! Making me think I'm no where prepared! I have about half the list but I'm starting to get paranoid now.

Don't get all paranoid. Just get the basics..
the really important ones are a decent tow strap with no metal hooks on it as has been mentioned, but also sturdy tow hooks front and rear. Also since you have a full size i would recommend you have a 4" strap.
Just make a decent effort and we usually will have you covered, with the extras that we as a group bring.
It can be a drag when some one shows up with known problems and no spares and no basic recovery gear. Don't let the list freak you out. I don't have EVERYTHING on that list. :D

Great info, thx! Making me think I'm no where prepared! I have about half the list but I'm starting to get paranoid now.

A lot of those items on the list need only be carried by one person. We don't need ten people with ten Hi-lift jacks.

You also dont need EVERY hose and belt that can possibly be replaced on your car. Its absurd what I have seen people show up to the trail with. Just carry common breakdown parts and make sure that your rig is in good working order.

If you have ANY parts that are iffy, CHANGE THEM NOW! Just do a thorough inspection of your car, and you should be good.

Another thing is knowing your weak points on your vehicle, if you dont know them, start reading! There is TONS of info out there on every make and model of common breakdown parts on each particular vehicle. Carry those weak points as spares, not everything that has the possibility of breaking. Remember that weight is a huge factor in carnage, spare parts add weight causing said carnage!

Know how to fix common breakdown parts!!! Know how to change a u-joint, broken axle, fix a punctured tire... dont expect everyone around you to do the work for you. We wrenched at home so we could relax on the trail, nobody wants to play mechanic to some newbie!

And lastly if you break, have a good attitude and be grateful for the help you get from others!

all good info thanks. Sounds like I need to sit this one out and before going out learn how to do repairs of ujoints, axles, etc. Looks like it will be awhile before I get this rig on the trail.

Thanks again for the help!

all good info thanks. Sounds like I need to sit this one out and before going out learn how to do repairs of ujoints, axles, etc. Looks like it will be awhile before I get this rig on the trail.

Thanks again for the help!

Hey man, Im not trying to talk you out of it! Just get a good understanding of how to fix broken parts. Its not like we are going to leave you on the trail if something happens... just be prepared!

I havent wheeled there, but I have been looking at lots of pictures of the Big Bear trails and they really look easy enough to get your rig through. You can always opt out on a harder trail and ride with someone if you dont think you can handle a particular trail.

I agree with Childsplay, you really should still come out. As long as you have tow points F&R, a decent strap and basic tools and the right attitude you will be fine.
hope to see you out......:beer:

Hey Burbpilot, GO! Don't stay home, I took my sub out when it wasn't even half as capable as yours is. How do you think you find those weak spots? You'll never find ALL of them parked in your driveway. Last time I went up I was actually very surprised at what it did do. I don't know how many times I looked at my wife and said"theres no way this thing is making it through that!" I made it through everything I tried. Just cruise, take your time, watch your lines and you'll be ok. Hey look, if you break something I'll help you fix it if its fixable. Besides, from the pics of your truck I think you'll be ok.

burbpilot go. I only had a small tool boxs,with alot of missing tools when I first started going off road.... Like josh said. that's how you find weak spots. I. That's how I learn on what to carry. on going to the trails and seeing whats everyone carry.

Thanks guys. I really want to go. I'm going to plan on it and do my best to get there. I'll do my best to be prepared as possible (equipment wise) by then. I'm a little nervous having only owned this truck for about a month now, so I don't know all the history behind it's past experiences and wear. I've been going through it slowly but surely and still have lots of plans for it. I can't identify any problems with it so far, but I'm nowhere close to being a mechanic.

Having almost no offroad experience on 4 wheels doesn't help either, but I'm not a 'tard either. I plan on bringing the whole family, dog included. CB already installed and lots of basic's already in hand.

Thanks for the help and encouragement. It sounds like it's going to be a kick ass time.

Where you loc in oc?

I'm in Anaheim.

I'm bringing my kids and dog also. I just built some rock sliders for my Sub today or at least got one side welded on and just need to finish the other side. Is there any other fullsize trucks going on this trip?

Sounds cool josh, what do they look like? Any pics? What did it end up costing you? I'd be interested in something like that.

cool man im from anaheim to. Sliders on my list to do....

I paid like $50.00 for a 20' stick of 1.75od x.120wall mild. Each side was less than 10' and I just did all the rest. Pics kinda suck.

those sliders came out nice.

thanks hopefully I can make the other side look the same:D

very nice sliders! What is that? A 3" body lift? Is that a must for the sliders? If you feel like doing another set, that looks like something I could use! How much? Contact me in a pm!

hey FJ40, what day are you going up? I was thinking early sat morning, if so maybe we could convoy?

Umm my pops say fri nigth and sleep in the tow rig. but i bet its going to be sat moring early. we could convoy if you dont mine following a trailer?

I don't mind, I only have a 3spd :jeep:

Josh, if you haven't done the other side yet, I would recommend plating the frame with a 4x4" piece of quarter first, where each tube would connect. I found out the hard way that the frame with distort where those are welded and the slider will flex up into the body, and bend your frame in the process.

Just a little "been there, done that."

When we get there, I can show you all the extra plates I have along my frame from various slider styles LOL

Using my place as a staging area on Friday night...

We could head down to the Willow Creek Staging area on Saturday morning. Across 3N34D to T6 crossing at Deep Creek. That would be a good place to meet the guys coming up on Saturday morning. You can get to T6 at the end of Hook Creek Road (Cedar Glen).

Up Deep Creek/Dish Pan. Over to and Up Holcomb Creek. That would dump you out near a ton of dispersed camping sites by mid to late afternoon (assuming a farirly slow day of it). You could set up camp and still be close to John Bull for a night run.

I can arrange for parking at my house (you'll have problems with over a 20' trailer though). You can drive trail only rigs from my house to the trail. I've got floor space for 10-15 as long as you like it cozy :flipoff2:

I've got a BBQ and wouldn't mind firing it up.

Depending on how the rebuild goes on my car, I am planning on being at the Hammers on Sunday morning for a cleanup, plus I need to do some testing on my car before Nationals. I might only hang for a little bit of Saturday wheeling but would love to host the 'pre-party'.

There is a cool little night run spot just down the hill from my house. Everything from fire roads with a view to a few spots that I'm sure I still can't go up in the comp car.

Bring it

d

Sounds good Dave. Send me your address and I'll see about putting together a map for everyone.

-Wayne

i wanna go, :D



what time on saturday ??

i wanna go, :D



what time on saturday ??

No wheeling for you! Back to work! :flipoff2:

Did you plate on the inside or on the outside befor putting the sliders on? Maybe boxing in the frame some where the sliders are mounted will keep thflex out. Also the sliders don't have much room to move up befor they hit the body. I didn't want something real bulky hanging down.

Did you plate on the inside or on the outside befor putting the sliders on? Maybe boxing in the frame some where the sliders are mounted will keep thflex out. Also the sliders don't have much room to move up befor they hit the body. I didn't want something real bulky hanging down.

I plated the outside of the frame, right where the slider tube would weld to the frame, it instead welds to the plate (1/4", thicker than the frame).

Also, I had at least a finger or two of spacial seperation between the sliders and body, where the flexed into each other.

get ready kiddies !! :laughing: were a coming on this trip !!

is ttora going to be there this weekend ?? had a good times with those guys last year!! :grinpimp:


earl ya up and runnin yet ???

84socal. nice to met you on sunday. didnt know it was your truck at first. are you still going?


BurbPilot let me know when you leaving on sat then...


Eric

get ready kiddies !! :laughing: were a coming on this trip !!

earl ya up and runnin yet ???



Hell no! His pile is sitting in my yard as usual. Anyone need some parts off an `85 runner? I'll make you a killer deal!!!:D

This sucks I can't go! My sister is getting married that weekend. Plus my rig will be blown apart by then! 3.4 swap!!! :grinpimp:

I won't be taking the old 'burb. It's up for sale. Instead I went and bought an '04 Silverado 2500 4x4, 6.0L, 6" lift, 35" tires. Still a long wheel base, but should be a little more capable. That's the salesman in the pic.

I'm looking leaving as early as possible sat morning...

http://www.crawfordfamilia.com/silverado1.jpg
http://www.crawfordfamilia.com/silverado4.jpg

I won't be taking the old 'burb. It's up for sale. Instead I went and bought an '04 Silverado 2500 4x4, 6.0L, 6" lift, 35" tires. Still a long wheel base, but should be a little more capable. That's the salesman in the pic.

I'm looking leaving as early as possible sat morning...




No Rubicon? :confused:

get ready kiddies !! :laughing: were a coming on this trip !!

is ttora going to be there this weekend ?? had a good times with those guys last year!! :grinpimp:


earl ya up and runnin yet ???

Hell no! His pile is sitting in my yard as usual. Anyone need some parts off an `85 runner? I'll make you a killer deal!!!:D

This sucks I can't go! My sister is getting married that weekend. Plus my rig will be blown apart by then! 3.4 swap!!! :grinpimp:

Got it going tonight! :bounce2: Need to do a little tuning, put the hood on and clean it up and I'm ready to go.

You know...I originally went looking for a Rubicon but they are really hard to find right now because it's in between build years and the single rubicons that each dealership had were jacked up on pricing because they are in demand. That combined with the fact that it only sits 4 and I have a family of 5, combined with being chevy at heart.....well, there you go.

You know...I originally went looking for a Rubicon but they are really hard to find right now because it's in between build years and the single rubicons that each dealership had were jacked up on pricing because they are in demand. That combined with the fact that it only sits 4 and I have a family of 5, combined with being chevy at heart.....well, there you go.

Well, congrats on the new truck. I hope those steps last! :flipoff2:

I was going to take them off, I'm not a big fan of nerf bars, but I was thinking they might provide a little protection to my rockers?

sweet truck man. Well i just started to bend my rock sliders. need more tubing and should be done. just a bit of prep and should be good for big bear.

I was going to take them off, I'm not a big fan of nerf bars, but I was thinking they might provide a little protection to my rockers?

They might take a hit and protect the rocker, but they won't ever be the same if they do. It probably has enough lift & tires to be ok as long as you choose your line wisely. I just remember a guy in a brand new, stock 4runner that completely ripped off the running boards.:laughing: He said it was his wifes and she was gonna be PISSED. :laughing::laughing:

Pull off the running boards.. They are only designed to be steps, not protection. They just end up being trail liter. You can put them back on later, or sell them off.

We will have to be careful getting you through some of the trails, that is for sure. Nothing like denting your 2 week old truck. :)

yeah, that would seriously suck. Thanks for watching out!

Upgrade your tie-rod ends or bring spares before going up there BurbPilot! Its not a matter of if they will break, its matter of when they will. I think FabTech makes a bitchen kit for those trucks if it doesnt already have them installed.

Wish I could make this trip, but im going to the Rubicon instead.

anyone going to be doing a run Sun?

Im going to be up there Sat night after work, so I won't be getting there until maybe 10 or later that night......If anyone is doing a run a sun I would love to go out and try it out. This will be my first time up there.

Jeremy

Bring the burb, your new one will get scratched! Just look at mine:D

Quick Hijack.....when people run Dishpan do you go east to west? or do most go west to east?

where are your pics josh? Have you broke anything up there? I'd really like to bring my new pickup and see what it can do, but sure as hell don't want to scratch it all up either :)

84socal. nice to met you on sunday. didnt know it was your truck at first. are you still going?


BurbPilot let me know when you leaving on sat then...


Eric

hey it was nice meeting u too the cruiser looks sweet man
is there any details on were any ones meeting
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/84socal/aug2007033.jpg

Upgrade your tie-rod ends or bring spares before going up there BurbPilot! Its not a matter of if they will break, its matter of when they will. I think FabTech makes a bitchen kit for those trucks if it doesnt already have them installed.


X2 on the tie-rod upgrade for full size chevy. There was one broke out at the hammers during the last night run. Sucked to be him.

Quick Hijack.....when people run Dishpan do you go east to west? or do most go west to east?

Done it both ways. Leaving from Dave's (JRT) house would be west to east (up the main waterfall).

ok...I don't get it. :confused: First I'm pretty much nicely told my old 'burb will probably break stuff left and right and I should better know how to fix it on the trail. So then I go buy a new more capable truck, but get the same advice..:bawling:

Anyone know of a shop near anaheim that can do tierod upgrading? How do I know whether or not it's already upgraded? It does have an RCD lift....and while on that same subject. Should I remove the sway bar?

that's the whole off road game. If you would of got your self a jeep lifted. I would of said good luck with does axles/ a fj40 i would say good luck finding parts etc There's always going to be there po and cons on stuff. and you cant upgrade all at onces. mine has taken years to replaces stuff that I think are weak or just want to play it save and go bigger. I think you could go with out break age.just dont take lines that are really really hard and using way to much gas.

sounds like a vicious cycle! :barf: I'M IN!

ok...I don't get it. :confused: First I'm pretty much nicely told my old 'burb will probably break stuff left and right and I should better know how to fix it on the trail. So then I go buy a new more capable truck, but get the same advice..:bawling:

Anyone know of a shop near anaheim that can do tierod upgrading? How do I know whether or not it's already upgraded? It does have an RCD lift....and while on that same subject. Should I remove the sway bar?

Don't take it personally dude. There are weak points on every vehicle, we are just trying to help you out so you don't break and say "nobody told me"

Hate to say it Burb, but I'd actually give the old Sub a better rating in the way of off-road performance. The IFS on the newer trucks is built for the street, and that's about it. As was already said the first thing you will break is the tierods. They are pathetically weak for the weight of the rig. For this trip I'd reccomend pickin up a stocker from a junkyard and bringin it as a spare. I own essentially the same truck you just bought, and it's a really great truck, but like all 4x4s it has it's weak points, in this case the front axle/suspension. The other reason I say the old burb would be better is pretty simple, it's old, less shiny, and will be less painful to put an accidental dent in.

Regardless of what you bring, I hope we'll see you up there. If you do break I know a few guys that might know a thing or two about fixing things :D We wont leave you out there alone.

Dallas

no sweat, not taking it personally, I appeciate the info and advice. Just looking to go out and have a good time without towing a mac tools delivery truck behind me. :)

ok, so how do I tell if they have already been upgraded or not?...Probably not I know. But I guess I can go get some stocker parts and bring them along. I can hold the flashlight! ha

no sweat, not taking it personally, I appeciate the info and advice. Just looking to go out and have a good time without towing a mac tools delivery truck behind me. :)

get some junk yard tie rods. pick a part is in beach blvd i go there all the time and there's burb

ok, so how do I tell if they have already been upgraded or not?...Probably not I know. But I guess I can go get some stocker parts and bring them along. I can hold the flashlight! ha

and bring me something to drink. cook me dinner. wash my truck etc:flipoff2:

anyone think it's a good idea to remove the sway bar off an '04 silverado 2500 for these trails? Necessary?

I would not worry about the sway bar (s). i would bring tie rod ends, i bent/snapped mine on my 99 burb a few years ago in Big Bear. I sold it but replaced it with a 01 dmax, same weak spot but i do not really wheel the dmax. I will see if i have some of my spare TR ends and throw them in.

Waiting to confirm the meeting points. As soon as I have an address for JRT's house I'll draw up a map for everyone.

Burbpilot - Funny thing is that both of your trucks have problem steering from the factory. The 'burban has the stupid "J" arm steering that only gets worse after lifting, and the IFS trucks have the tierods. If it makes you feel any better, Isuzu rigs have the same issue with wimpy tierod ends, but they are a bit stronger for their application. (Last time I had a group of Isuzus in Big Bear one busted a tierod, and we didn't even make it to the actual trail we were heading into.)

As others said, it is not a matter of if, but when they will let you down. Might be this trip, or it might be a year from now... Life starts to suck when the steering dies. Check the Chevy forum for more info on what to check for on the parts.

-Wayne

find out if the 2008 chevy 3500 4x4 duramax tie rods are the same ??

i have a set here that i'll throw in the rig, i've seen many of trucks, with the
wheels facing inwards on the trail, with owner having a goofy looks on his face, :D

burbpilot: went back to page 6 and saw your rig , that truck is really nice and very heavy,
i wish i could change your mind on taking that on the trail, looks a divorce waiting to happpen
i only wish that was my tow rig, In no way am i trying to be mean, just resonable, now if you have 4 cars then see ya on the trail, but if thats the rig you drive to work, hitch a ride with someone !! can't imagine what it would cost to tow that rig off dish pan after it rolled to the bottom, ya need a helicopter

Well, I don't plan on doing anything crazy. I'm looking for easy lines and just some normal trail riding. What's the use of buying a new 4x4 if you can't take it out? If I did that, I might as well call it a mall crawler.:bounce2:

like the announcer from the U.F.C says

LETS GET IT ON !!!


to the other guys going, please do a load test on your winch, before we go
don't want to have a winch failure :laughing:

like the announcer from the U.F.C says

LETS GET IT ON !!!


to the other guys going, please do a load test on your winch, before we go
don't want to have a winch failure :laughing:

cal mini do you tow your rig up there?

Id love to go up to bigbear and drag some rocks back on the trail :D
I used to go up alot and unpave the trail ,I went about 2 months ago and I couldnt belive how paved it was :( .

Anyone know if I need to get some kind of wilderness pass or camping pass?

no i drive to big bear to much wear n tear on tow rig



yes

they sell the day passes at turners outdoorsman

A forrest adventure pass is required if you are going to camp in the forrest or park and leave your vehicle for any reason. You don't need one if you are camping at an organized camp ground, or if you are just going on the trail for the day. They are available at plenty of places on the mountain.

[QUOTE=84socal;7131317]hey it was nice meeting u too the cruiser looks sweet man
is there any details on were any ones meeting
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Thanks, you going again this weekend? maybe be out there trying my sliders (i mean slider since only one is done :D hope to see you at bigbear tho


Eric

Just a few scraches on mine. I hope I didn't miss lead you into thinkin your burb was going to fall apart. I don't think it will. But the TRE's on the other hand will break. I did it 2 times in mine befor the SAS. When you come up just be prepared, like if you bring your new truck bring replacement TRE's and the tools to replace them. I have to replace the pinion seal on my 14bolt and my exhaust gasket's. It's just maintainace shit. I jacked that seal up the last time I was up at Bigbear.

my pinion was just replaced a few days ago. Should I bring both inner and outer tie rods for both sides?

Well just remember that one is left hand threads and one is right, so at least one of each. Also you can measure the thread thickness of the shank (not the tappered end) and determin what TRE you got. 3/4" = 1/2ton, 7/8 = 1ton I'm pretty sure thats what they are. About the passes, go to Sports Authority or Sports Chalet, the anual pass was 30.00 and a second vehicle pass was 5.00 . Thats what I got.

my pinion was just replaced a few days ago. Should I bring both inner and outer tie rods for both sides?

what you taking?

this, minus the salesman, shell, and side steps.

http://www.crawfordfamilia.com/silverado1.jpg

Hmm all this talk of spares and maintenance reminded me I still need to reseal my front diff cover, put more than 2 bolts in it, and actually put some gear oil in the thing.

Dallas

Hmm all this talk of spares and maintenance reminded me I still need to reseal my front diff cover, put more than 2 bolts in it, and actually put some gear oil in the thing.

Dallas

:laughing:We will mock you relentlessly if you break due to lack of maintenance. :flipoff2:

i have never seen earl so angry ?? are those e-muscles are huge today :laughing:

Earl are you referring to like say: if you didn't have a spare tire and needed it

kinda of thing :laughing: :laughing:

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burbpilot that rig is really purrty

i have never seen earl so angry ?? are those e-muscles are huge today :laughing:

Earl are you referring to like say: if you didn't have a spare tire and needed it

kinda of thing :laughing: :laughing:

\
burbpilot that rig is really purrty

I was kidding, hence the :flipoff2: I just thought it would be ironic if the crew chief for the Red Bull Rockcrawling Team showed up with no fluid in his diff. :laughing:

33" bfg MT's or 315/75 (35") Cooper AT's?

Thanks guys
Jim

33" bfg MT's or 315/75 (35") Cooper AT's?

Thanks guys
Jim


I DO NOT LIKE BFG's at all. Too many sidewall failures in the rocks. I doubt that you'll find many fans around here (at least among those who actually wheel :flipoff2:) They are OK for mall crawlers and tread life, but that's all.

ok, so mud or all terrain? Wrangler?

ok, so mud or all terrain? Wrangler?

A good all around tire is the Wrangler MTR.;)

A good all around tire is the Wrangler MTR.;)

i was just about to say that. I like mine. dont have much miles on the street on them but in rocks at 5 psi they grip good :D

A little preview of what to expect next weekend....

Ran John Bull and Holcomb Creek on Sat the 18th back to back. Saw a lot of rigs, and managed to help a broken Rubicon on the way...actually it was in our way, so we had to help fix it.

Only took a few pics...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pf8a1891039a2fd4b22e9d29b0781c273/e810734f.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p06ba5128953401ac5073b6ceb189427a/e8107334.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p11fc1178071e0f2e0526cdded61a0a66/e8107317.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p768241886d7203d6337b960f6bcb6304/e81072fb.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p99e8768885f5f9f75fbb3c85e9e68e95/e81072df.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p7cabce71a3ad508fc4a8817b463657e6/e81072c0.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pe8a2f215cbce65ecc3cbbffc8b53721a/e81072a2.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p74d7011906d45fc8c08e87cb8654e536/e8107289.jpg

oh it is so on!:bounce2:

That looks like so much fun ! I'm pissed I can't make it next weekend. My junk is still busted.:flipoff2: Have fun on the 25th !!!!!


P.S. New motor goes in it in two weeks !!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D

okay I'm coming up on saturday morning and need to know were to meet everybody at : ???

time and place please have alot of people calling and asking ?? who what when and where !!


i think the idea was to start in arrowhead and work our way up the hill ??

correct

have friends stayin in big bear for the ttora run as well

Getting close now! I hope to have a map together soon with meeting spots and times for each day. I'll keep you posted. If you have a preferred spot and time, let me know and I will do my best to make it happen.

-Wayne

what trails are we running on sat? John bull looks fun. from the videos i have seen.

what trails are we running on sat? John bull looks fun. from the videos i have seen.

I think we will be starting down near Deep Creek/Dishpan. If so we will probably start there and work our way across. I would very much like to end up on Holcomb Creek at some point. I think it is the best trail up there, and might make for some good camping. I really don't care much for John Bull. It is not very pretty, has very little shade, and tends to be very slow going with stockish vehicles. It is a better trail for cooler parts of the year. But if the group wants to do it, that is fine by me. I don't think Burbpilot will want to do that trail in his new Chevy.

BurbPilot - Just a heads up, either vehicle you bring can expect some body damage on the 3 trails listed above. Your vehicles are wide and LONG compared to the typical vehicle the drives these trails. They can be done, but expect some tight spots, and don't fool yourself that your vehicle is going to look the same after the trails. At the very least will be lots of new pin stripping from the bushes you will be sliding against. (See the picture above of the pin stripping on the side of the Suburban.)

-Wayne

okay. Keep use updated. Mounting one of my sliders right now and hooking up the cb. and way more stuff to do. Im only going to be the for sat I think. im not sure yet

The last time we did this (pbb group) we met at the Cedar Glenn post office next to Lake Arrowhead. Ran Dishpan W-E then it is a short drive over to Holcomb Creek also running W-E. This will put us out close to Hanna Flat/Fawnskin. If time allows anyone who wants could then run John Bull, but it might be getting late by then. Could be a night run or Sunday run combined with Gold Mtn.

Here are some albums from the last trip. If you went last time check out the second link, they are new and I don't think they have been posted before.

http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g26/earlkann/PBB%20Big%20Bear%206_07/?start=all

http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g26/earlkann/PBB%20Big%20Bear%206_07/big%20bear%200607%20Lisa%20pics/?start=all

we just ran deep creek (ball-buster) and 3n93 (holcomb) yesterday. Great local day run. Ballbuster (dishpan) has gotten a little torn up and can be really fun after you crest the face there are some big rocks on the driverside you can get some huge wheel lifts if you dare try. :D Not bad for local stuff.

BTW: beware of a cop thats been hidding out on Hook Creek Rd. near boy scouts camp entrance rd. They've been sneaky there this year, just a heads up.

Edit: also just ran john bull two weekends ago and its still the same as always. Just a lot of people running that trail. we got stuck for hours behind a liberty group that wouldnt let us by.

we just ran deep creek (ball-buster) and 3n93 (holcomb) yesterday. Great local day run. Ballbuster (dishpan) has gotten a little torn up and can be really fun after you crest the face there are some big rocks on the driverside you can get some huge wheel lifts if you dare try. :D Not bad for local stuff.

BTW: beware of a cop thats been hidding out on Hook Creek Rd. near boy scouts camp entrance rd. They've been sneaky there this year, just a heads up.

Edit: also just ran john bull two weekends ago and its still the same as always. Just a lot of people running that trail. we got stuck for hours behind a liberty group that wouldnt let us by.

You guys never post these runs on your board first anymore.:( All I did yesterday was hang out at Surveyboy's place. I woulda gone.

yea it was kind of last minute. Just a buddy of mine and I went out this time. I don't post our runs in advance a lot of the time because Big Bear & Arrowhead are all in our backyard (as they are for you) so there sometimes last minutes runs.

I'll start posting them up even if they are short notice. Would like to meet up with you and RockinFJ one of these days.

Well looks like I'm not going on this trip.:( I've got to work seeing as how it's been pretty slow for me, I need the money. So please take lots of pics and hopefully I will be able to go on the next one to Calico. Besides my neighbor has a K30 sitting in his yard that he might sell to me! I'd rather work and buy another toy:D

The last time we did this (pbb group) we met at the Cedar Glenn post office next to Lake Arrowhead. Ran Dishpan W-E then it is a short drive over to Holcomb Creek also running W-E. This will put us out close to Hanna Flat/Fawnskin. If time allows anyone who wants could then run John Bull, but it might be getting late by then. Could be a night run or Sunday run combined with Gold Mtn.

Here are some albums from the last trip. If you went last time check out the second link, they are new and I don't think they have been posted before.

http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g26/earlkann/PBB%20Big%20Bear%206_07/?start=all

http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g26/earlkann/PBB%20Big%20Bear%206_07/big%20bear%200607%20Lisa%20pics/?start=all


OK, this sounds like a good plan to me, how would you like to be the trail leader?

Lets make the Cedar Glenn Post Office our meeting point. If we are going to have people driving up in the morning, we can set the trail time at 9 am, this will give them a little more time to get there. 9 am means we are leaving the post office at 9 am.

Is this the correct location for the post office?
http://tinyurl.com/2d9e88

If that is correct, then it looks to be very close to Deep Creek trail. Good deal!

What do you think would make a good meeting point for people on Sunday? Maybe the Fire Station at Fawnskin?? Or the dump up at Bladwin? (We could run up Gold Mtn to John Bull)

-Wayne

p.s. I do not know Dave's (JRT) home address for the Friday meeting point, and he is not responding to the PM I sent him, so I'm guessing he is out of town? Anyone have a phone number for him?

OK, this sounds like a good plan to me, how would you like to be the trail leader?

Lets make the Cedar Glenn Post Office our meeting point. If we are going to have people driving up in the morning, we can set the trail time at 9 am, this will give them a little more time to get there. 9 am means we are leaving the post office at 9 am.

Is this the correct location for the post office?
http://tinyurl.com/2d9e88

If that is correct, then it looks to be very close to Deep Creek trail. Good deal!

What do you think would make a good meeting point for people on Sunday? Maybe the Fire Station at Fawnskin?? Or the dump up at Bladwin? (We could run up Gold Mtn to John Bull)

-Wayne

p.s. I do not know Dave's (JRT) home address for the Friday meeting point, and he is not responding to the PM I sent him, so I'm guessing he is out of town? Anyone have a phone number for him?

Yes, that is the correct location for the post office. There is a fairly large parking lot there with several businesses. Pay attention to where you are parking so as not to upset the business owners or the residents going to the post office. Last time we had 3-4 tow rigs and trailers that were left here for the day, just keep them back by the trees and out of the way. If doing Deep Creek and Holcomb Creek we will end in BB and you will have to get back to CG to get your trailer. Easiest way is to air up and take the hwy back.

I don't mind leading. I led the last run and took a wrong turn causing 19 rigs to have to back up.:emb: At least I won't do that again!

For Sunday I think the fire station is easier to find and better staging. I think the dump is a little closer to Gold Mtn, but I've actually never run that trail so I'm not sure.

Dave is probably working, and may even have to work that Friday. If so he might not be able to host. Hell, I'm not even sure if he got his 4runner running yet. :confused:

yea it was kind of last minute. Just a buddy of mine and I went out this time. I don't post our runs in advance a lot of the time because Big Bear & Arrowhead are all in our backyard (as they are for you) so there sometimes last minutes runs.

I'll start posting them up even if they are short notice. Would like to meet up with you and RockinFJ one of these days.

Tony,
I want to wheel with you guys as well, but im in the process of selling the cruiser:(:(. I have to get another car, I might start with the Sheriff's depart. sooner than I thought. It sucks but you have to do what you got to do. If you know anyone that would like to buy it let me know. I have it posted on craigslist, pirate4x4, and the recycler.

Been chatting with Dave. Thanks for the phone number guys.. I guess it was in the thread also. :shaking: I'm a retard.

We are good to go with Dave's house. Here is a map to his house:
http://tinyurl.com/ywdptz

Dave needs to know how many people are planning to stay at his house Friday night. Also needs to know if you plan to leave a vehicle or trailer there.

I know I am, and I'm brining a buddy with his 4 year old boy. Might have another joining us. Both of them will have tow rigs, and probably trailers.

If you are coming to Dave's house we are going to have a little potluck dinner. Bring something for the BBQ, your beverage of choice, and something to share with others. (chips, salad, desert)

Dave also suggests that the T6 intersection (Deep Creek Bridge) would make a good meeting point for the folks that are coming from his house. I do not have an internet map that shows this location. (anyone?)

I'm a bit swamped at work right now, but will try to put some maps together and update the first post in this thread with all of the contact info.

Thanks,

-Wayne

Thanks Wayne

Appreciate The Info By Looking At The Map, And Not Knowing The
Area, Isn't That Pretty Much Lake Arrowhead Area, Is Cedar Glen
A Small Town Close To Arrowhead ??

Can't Wait For The Trip Gonna Be A Hoot !!:d

Thanks Troy

Thanks Wayne

Appreciate The Info By Looking At The Map, And Not Knowing The
Area, Isn't That Pretty Much Lake Arrowhead Area, Is Cedar Glen
A Small Town Close To Arrowhead ??

Can't Wait For The Trip Gonna Be A Hoot !!:d

Thanks Troy

Yes, that is Lake Arrowhead. I think Cedar Glenn is a sub-section of Lake Arrowhead. Big Bear and Arrowhead are pretty close to each other and there are a few trails that connect them. We will only be starting in Arrowhead, the rest of the time we will be closer to Big Bear. I pretty much consider to whole area "Big Bear", but if you want to be techincal, I guess it would be more accurate to say we will be on the San Bernardino National Forest Trails..?

-Wayne

Cedar Glenn might as well be Lake Arrowhead for the people who don't live in the area. (Flatlanders:shaking:):flipoff2:

I'll be at Dave's Fri night, but not staying as I only live 30-min away. I don't know the exact name (T6?) but I'm familiar with the bridge at the west end of Deep Creek. There is a pickinic type area there. I could probably go to the post office Sat morning and lead the Sat only people over to the bridge.

Cedar Glenn might as well be Lake Arrowhead for the people who don't live in the area. (Flatlanders:shaking:):flipoff2:

I'll be at Dave's Fri night, but not staying as I only live 30-min away. I don't know the exact name (T6?) but I'm familiar with the bridge at the west end of Deep Creek. There is a pickinic type area there. I could probably go to the post office Sat morning and lead the Sat only people over to the bridge.

That might be best. Seems like the Post Office is a short drive from Dave's place, but he says it would be better to join up at the bridge. He may be thinking we have a bunch of non street legal rigs, or maybe the traffic sucks in Arrowhead. I'll let him and you be the bosses. I'm just setting dates and trying to get some wheeling trips going. :)

-Wayne

Been chatting with Dave. Thanks for the phone number guys.. I guess it was in the thread also. :shaking: I'm a retard.

We are good to go with Dave's house. Here is a map to his house:
http://tinyurl.com/ywdptz

Dave needs to know how many people are planning to stay at his house Friday night. Also needs to know if you plan to leave a vehicle or trailer there.

I know I am, and I'm brining a buddy with his 4 year old boy. Might have another joining us. Both of them will have tow rigs, and probably trailers.

If you are coming to Dave's house we are going to have a little potluck dinner. Bring something for the BBQ, your beverage of choice, and something to share with others. (chips, salad, desert)

Dave also suggests that the T6 intersection (Deep Creek Bridge) would make a good meeting point for the folks that are coming from his house. I do not have an internet map that shows this location. (anyone?)

I'm a bit swamped at work right now, but will try to put some maps together and update the first post in this thread with all of the contact info.

Thanks,

-Wayne

if theres room for my trailer and tow right? Just going for sat I thinlk



Eric

if theres room for my trailer and tow right? Just going for sat I thinlk



Eric

If you are just coming up for Sat, then meet at Cedar Glenn Post Office.
http://tinyurl.com/2d9e88

I will be there to lead to the meetin place at the bridge. There are spots to park truck/trailer for the day but please keep them in the back so as to not upset the business owners. I'll be there early to help direct parking. Leaving at 9am sharp for the trail.

My rig. May have the tube doors on it if my hinge kit arrives in time.:D
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g26/earlkann/turbrotoy%20fathersday/DSCF1283.jpg

ya maybe go early early to find packing but im think 2 times not about this trip. 2/3 people told me its alot of drag on the tow rigs. so im not sure right now :confused:

ya maybe go early early to find packing but im think 2 times not about this trip. 2/3 people told me its alot of drag on the tow rigs. so im not sure right now :confused:

I'm confused by what you wrote..

I'm confused by what you wrote..

sorry. I trying to say. a few people say its to much of a drag. for tow rigs to go up there. what i mean in drag is to much to push up and braking. dont want to beat my tow rig alot. and still need to find a good spot to make. I have a idea not sure yet.

I will be running around Big Bear this weekend. Hope to see some of you guys up there! Wayne

Lets get a head count of who all is attending, and on what days.

Also let us know if you plan to park tow rigs and trailers. Do you plan to come up Friday to Dave's house?

Thanks,

-Wayne

I'll start..

I'm coming up Friday night after work and will be brining my dog in my Suzuki Samurai. I'll be at Dave's house Friday night and will probably bring some pie to share. I'll be there all weekend.

Also in tow should be Jason from Petroworks and his 4 year old boy. He will probably be flat towing his Samurai, so will need to park his truck at Dave's. Will be there all weekend.

Another possible addition will be Tim also in a Samurai. Not sure when he will join us, but he will either flat tow, or have a flat bed trailer to park. Don't know how long he will be around.

-Wayne

Everyone is welcome, Parking is very doable but will take a little but of planning, that's the main reason to ask about numbers.

As far as towing. I've driven a motorhome and trailer to the front of my house. I tow routinely (comp buggy on a flat trailer behind a normally aspirated diesel) It's pretty twisty but definitely doable. I would recommend coming up 18 and not 138.

d

I'll be in the rig posted above with my wife and 13yo stepson. Will come to Dave's Fri night (and whenever else there's a party going on:grinpimp:)
Can still do the meet up at Cedar Glenn Sat morning for the day trippers if needed.

Donald

i guess i'll be at dave's friday night. not going wheeling on sat though.

what time?? and what is needed to be brought??

50%50% for me.

Ill be taking a tow rig and trailer. So if anyone else's go with trailer let me know so may be we could pack in a parking spot together or something. only plan on going just sat.

BurbPilot........ where you driving down orangethorpe around 540 pm? look like your truck with out sliders


Eric

not sure what time it was, but I was in that area. Yep, sliders off, shell off.

or never mine then it still had the shell. wrong truck :D

It looks like I might be coming up Friday night with the wife and kid. I'll be in my Excursion with my Toy X-Cab on the flatbed. Dave, will you have room for my tow rig/trailer and how late will things be going Friday night? The reason I ask is that we won't get out of S.D. till 5:30pm or so. I plan to sleep in my Excursion Fri. night, and a tent on the trail for Sat. night.

Mark

for sure i'll be bringing my wife up on saturday in the froggy


Joey and his wife Amber are coming up on saturday in the A.M

Jeff Maxwell in the orange crush is camping in big bear with his friend
in his new 4runner

Is anyone running any trials Sunday Morning? I'm coming up Saturday night and running a trail Sunday.

I'll be in a ornage TJ Stretch sittin on some 37".

Jeremy

It looks like I might be coming up Friday night with the wife and kid. I'll be in my Excursion with my Toy X-Cab on the flatbed. Dave, will you have room for my tow rig/trailer and how late will things be going Friday night? The reason I ask is that we won't get out of S.D. till 5:30pm or so. I plan to sleep in my Excursion Fri. night, and a tent on the trail for Sat. night.

Mark


I was thinking of coming fri night and just sleeping in my excursion to.

Anyone have a link to a map that shows the trails in Big Bear? I was trying to put together a handy little map for reference, but can't find the trails on anything. About the best I could do was a rough map from the National Forest, but it was hard to pick out the details.

I'll check out Google Earth.

Hmm, found this.. kind of interesting:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http:%2F%2Fbbs.keyhole.com%2Fubb%2Fdownload .php%3FNumber%3D438567&t=k&om=1&ie=UTF8&ll=34.308136,-116.991863&spn=0.200783,0.354652&z=12


-Wayne

Heres one out of my book...

Has anyone heard anything on the fires in the area?

Has anyone heard anything on the fires in the area?

:confused::confused: No fires here.

The Snow fire currently at 80 acres and 30% contained is over on Mt San Jacinto (Palm Springs/Idyllwild). That's a different mountain.

:confused::confused: No fires here.

The Snow fire currently at 80 acres and 30% contained is over on Mt San Jacinto (Palm Springs/Idyllwild). That's a different mountain.

The snow fire is the one i heard about. On the map it looked like it was only a few miles away.

doing last minute check up's on the rig today, :grinpimp:

Yeah, I need to finish a little wiring work on mine, shop, pack, prep. Minor details..

-Wayne

OK.. Just updated the first post with meeting times and places. Please check it out and let me know of any errors or questions.

Many thanks to Dave and Donald for hosting and leading, could not have done it without you!!

-Wayne

OK.. Just updated the first post with meeting times and places. Please check it out and let me know of any errors or questions.

Many thanks to Dave and Earl for hosting and leading, could not have done it without you!!

-Wayne


Not a problem Wayne, I'm happy to help out.

FYI: My real name is Donald, but I'll usually answer to Earl too.:D

You can go ahead and post my cell in the first post also if you want. Just in case people get lost or running late Sat morning.
(909) 648-0752

See you all there,
Donald

done and done.. Sorry about the name. :laughing:

-Wayne

okay okay okay. I think im going now. Just one more Q what time do we the wheeling day on sat. and how would I get back to main road to load it up and what not. do I have to back track by my self?

Eric:confused:

okay okay okay. I think im going now. Just one more Q what time do we the wheeling day on sat. and how would I get back to main road to load it up and what not. do I have to back track by my self?

Eric:confused:

Damn your writing sucks. :flipoff2: :laughing:

The Post office crew will leave at 9am and head down the trail and meet the rest of us. I'd guess we will all be at the Deep Creek bridge and moving on by 9:30 if not earlier.

If you are asking what time we will be done, I have no idea. You can either take the trail back to your rig, dirt roads, or paved roads. You might be making that drive on your own, so bring a map. It is not that long a drive on the highway to return to your Ford, but you will want a map or GPS to make it easier as it sounds like you are new to the area.

-Wayne

We will end in Big Bear/Fawnskin. The easiest & fastest way back to your tow rig will be to take hwy 18 back to Lake Arrowhead, about 30-40 minutes depending how fast you drive. There are usually people that have air available if you need to air up tires to get back.

hey is there anybodys place i can crash at tomorow cause im planning on coming up tom evening but i dont really know anybody and was thinking of sleepin in my truck behind the meeting spot

hey is there anybodys place i can crash at tomorow cause im planning on coming up tom evening but i dont really know anybody and was thinking of sleepin in my truck behind the meeting spot


Read post #1 again. Wayne has updated it. Give Dave a call, he's a good guy.

Read post #1 again. Wayne has updated it. Give Dave a call, he's a good guy.

thanks man i guess ill give him a call tomorow cant wait to meet all u guys

84 so cal call me here at the shop


Dave's a kool guy, especially when ya tell him your pops slings junk !! :laughing:

Hey is anyone going to Daves today that I can meet with and have you deliver a box of parts to him. I am in Menifee near Temecula if anyone can.

Thanks
Wayne

Wayne

can deliver then tomorrow or tonight not sure of plans as of yet

but can get it done for ya


Troy :smokin:

Dave gave me a call this morning looking for an idea of how many he can expect. I honestly don't have a good idea on that. He also reports that his cell phone coverage is rather spotty at his house. So if you give him a call this evening be sure to leave a voice mail and he will call you back from his land line.

I may not be getting up there as early as I had hoped as my friends from San Diego area are not leaving until 6 pm. Not sure I'll wait for them or not.. :flipoff2:

See you all on the trail!

-Wayne

I'll be heading to Daves tonight. Hopefully I'll get out of S.D. before 6:00pm but who knows. ZukIzzy, I sent you a PM and can help out with the parts if you still need it.

Wayne

can deliver then tomorrow or tonight not sure of plans as of yet

but can get it done for ya


Troy :smokin:


Troy

Thanks I got it covered I think. We need to talk about other parts I need later though:D

(too many waynes here getting confusing, I will be Izzy)

Izzy

I'll be heading to Daves tonight. Hopefully I'll get out of S.D. before 6:00pm but who knows. ZukIzzy, I sent you a PM and can help out with the parts if you still need it.


Mark

Dave knows you are bringin them let me know if things change or you need anything.

Izzy