Okay, it may not be a POR question but we get Tom all to ourselves here so...

Hmmm? If I wanted to throw a deisel/tranny/t-case in my 2wd T-all... What would it be? And money IS an object.

This only relates to POR because my real motives are to throw the 392 in the Scout! :D

--JoshC

LOL.

MY preference would be a 6.9L Ford (cheap) or 7.3L IDI (pre PowerStroke) (better, more $$$.. stay away from the PS - too much computer crap to deal with)

I'd grab whatever trans was behind it and swap it right in.

Cheap route would be a GM 6.2L and whatever tranny you happened upon with it, too..

Cummins wouldn't be my preference. Do the GM 'cuz it's cheap, or the 6.9/7.3 because they're good motors and because they BELONG there. You're just returning the motor to where it was supposed to go.

Rumors have it the engine set-back in 74/75 was to accomodate the 404 and 444.. aka the gas versions of the 6.9 and 7.3.

What year 2wd T'all?

1975!!!!

6.2 GM would be easy and cheap but they SUCK!!!
6.9/7.3 would be fairly easy, cause it's a MV, but $$$
For the time and money involved, I'd either go w/ a 360 Cummins ( or one of its shirttail cousins), cause it's a helluva motor, parts are available EVERYWHERE for them (Dodge dealers, IH dealers, Ford-New Holland dealers, AGCO dealers, Fiat-Allis dealers, ect ect ect.) It is well suported by the aftermarket (Jakes, turbo and fuel upgrades, ect. )and the Dodge powertrain should danm near bolt in.

OR I'd go old school.

The BIG Isuzu four is a helluva motor, cheap and reliable, but not so easy to get parts for. Might be interesting getting a tranny for it.

Certain Cat motors would fit, they'd be heavy but cool. so-so economy, great torque, 1900-2000 RPM redline.

A Perkins four is an option, but I'd run like hell from a perkin's motor. Bomb waiting to happen.

Mercades makes some good motors, I'd worry about parts.

A 4-53 (lightweight) or 3-71 Detroit, turbo'd and aftercooled will make better than 1 HP per CID, good torque, good economy. They don't leak more than average, nor is vibration really a problem. These motors are supported EVERYWHERE. Ag, Industrial, OTR, Marine, the applications are infinite. This means you are never more than 100 miles from a certified DD tech/shop, parts are everywhere. They are quite simple motors to work on, and bellhousings are availible to put T-18's, T-19's, T-98's, T-30's through T-36's and a slew of other manual and auto trannies behind them.
Big issues are noise, lack of compression brakes, noise, emmissions (not sure of CA rules and regs), noise and lastly, noise.

The big thing to remember is that the Travel-all/D-Series cab was build around DT series 400+ cube straight six motors. Stop thinking like a pick-up and start thinking medium duty dump truck.

Matt

Originally posted by The Mick


OR I'd go old school.

The BIG Isuzu four is a helluva motor, cheap and reliable, but not so easy to get parts for. Might be interesting getting a tranny for it.

Matt

I'm leaning towards a Navistar... But what applications did the "BIG" Isuzu come in?

--JoshC

Light Medium duty trucks, (10-16K GVW)
Generally COE delivery trucks, such as a small furniture delivery van, small refrigerated van, Deli Express trucks (Do you have Deli Express???). There are 2 or 3 versions up to about 300 CID. Extreme torque, but like any large 4, they shake at idle/just off idle.

I think the engine bay was built around the 404 / 444.. aka 6.9/7.3, Matt!

They did put a few D301s in, IIRC..

6.9s should be available relatively inexpensive.. and a Turbo can be added down the road.

Josh - you're going to want the 1T IFS off of my Travelette when the time comes.. we're talking about heavy motors. :D

My IFS is rated to 4000lbs, with 3800lbs coils.

Beef.

Trade you straight across for a good Dana 60F for my straight axle swap. :D

Nice looking Travelall! I'd like a nicer T'all for a DD some day.. Michelle hates my ugly '72 rust-bucket.. but the price was right and it's been damn good to me.

FWIW, if you have a 5spd you could probably find the parts to put the 6.9/7.3 in front of it with IH parts - but you'd want the 404 or 444 IH version with the SAE bellhousings, IIRC.

Thanks Tom. I'm pretty sure I'm just going to put F250 springs up front.

Originally posted by JoshC
Thanks Tom. I'm pretty sure I'm just going to put F250 springs up front.

OK, but which of these do you have -

Fa-5 02005 IH Coil Spg Susp 3200# - Mt136 - 100,150

Fa-6 02006 IH Coil Spg Susp 3500# - Mt136 - 200

Fa-7 02007 IH Coil Spg Susp 4000# - Mt136 - 200


If it's a 1/2T (I don't see the 60 rear hubs on yours) you're stuck with the 3200# front suspension.

My Travelette is at.. 3200lbs on the nose, IIRC.. add another 200-300lbs of diesel and I'm over your front end capacity.. and getting closer to my 4000lbs.

That's why I don't think a 3600lbs Dana 44 is gonna cut it up front for me, and I need a 4k+ Dana 60. :D

SF D60 Rear.

What about a smaller deisel? How much heavier are these than a 392 anyway? And if just swappin in HD springs won't cut it... Where is the weak point in the IFS?

Originally posted by JoshC
SF D60 Rear.

... Where is the weak point in the IFS?

HA… that was kinda funny:rasta: :D

Originally posted by JoshC
SF D60 Rear.

What about a smaller deisel? How much heavier are these than a 392 anyway? And if just swappin in HD springs won't cut it... Where is the weak point in the IFS?

Dunno what the weak point is.. I haven't looked at any of that 1/2T CRAP! :D

I'd guess spindles would be a weak point, wheel bearings, and maybe the A-arms.

Not to mention the small brakes. Bigger is better. :)

I don't know if *just* heavier springs will solve the issue or not.. I'd start by weighing your Travelall and see how heavy the nose is already and how close to the limit of your front end you are.

Check your lineset to see which front suspension, and which front springs you already have, too.

For a lighter diesel.. how about the Nissan Turbo Diesel from a 1980 Scout II? :D :D :D

Do a SAS, it can't be that difficult. :D


Does anyone know the weight rating on the 2wd solid front axles? I have 2 '73 3/4 ton 2wd pickups w/ the solid beam front. How about my '69 1000D w/ IFS? Or the '73 1/2 ton 4x4 short box?

Originally posted by Ben W
Do a SAS, it can't be that difficult. :D


Does anyone know the weight rating on the 2wd solid front axles? I have 2 '73 3/4 ton 2wd pickups w/ the solid beam front. How about my '69 1000D w/ IFS? Or the '73 1/2 ton 4x4 short box?

SAS is easy. It's a bolt-on with parts from a 74/75 straight-axle.

Dana 44s are 3600lbs, max from what I've found.

The straight-axle 2wd should just be a diff-less Dana 44.. so something in the 3300-3600lbs range, I bet.

The '69 IFS? No idea..

Hmm.. let's see..

Fa-3 02003 *2500# 4x2 - Mt130 - Scout II

Fa-12 02012 IH I beam 3800# - Mt124,131 - 1200d,1210

(that's higher than I expected)

Fa-13 02013 *Dana30 Driving 2500# - Mt130 - Scout II

Fa-14 02014 Dana27 Driving 2000# - Mt113,123 - Scout 80.800,A,B

Fa-15 02015 *Dana44 Driving 3100# - Mt103,104,107,110,118,124 - S,A,B,C120,1200,A,B,C,D Small closed Knuckle

Fa-16 02016 *Dana44 Driving 2800# - Mt110,118.124 - C,D1100,1100A,B,C,D Small closed Knuckle


Fa-18 02018 *Dana44 Driving 3500# - Mt110,118,124,131 - C,D1200, 1200A,B,C,D,1210 Large closed Knuckle

Fa-19 02019 *Dana44 Driving 3500# W/Lock


Fa-25 02025 Dana44(18) 3500# - Mt124,131 - 1200d,1210

Fa-28 02028 Ih Ibeam 4000# - Mt110,118,124,131,136 - C150,C,D1500,1500A,B,C,D,500

*Fa-43 02043 Dana44 Driving 3200# - Mt130 - Scout II Drum Brakes

Fa-44 02044 Dana44 Driving 3200# - Mt130 - Scout II Disc Brakes

Fa-45 02045 Dana44 Driving 3000# - Mt131 - *1210

Fa-46 02046 Dana44 Driving 3000# - Mt131 - *1110
Fa-52 02052 *Dana70 Driving 4000# - Mt110,118,124,131,136 - C,D1300, 1300A,B,C,D,1310,200

Fa-62 02062 *Dana44 Driving 3400# - Mt136 - 100,150 (Disc Brakes)

Fa-63 02063 *Dana44 Driving 3500# - Mt136 - 200 (Disc Brakes)

Instead of worrying about that antique IH :barf:crap… Why don’t you just buy a Ford and swap the entire drive/power train :D

Originally posted by cornfedred
Instead of worrying about that antique IH :barf:crap? Why don?t you just buy a Ford and swap the entire drive/power train :D

Huh? You mean take the Ford engine/trans and axles and stuff it into the IH?

Or swap an IH motor/axles into a Ford body?

Or what DO you mean?

The goal is to NOT end up with a Ford, y'know. :D

*I* intend to put a Chevy/Dodge Dana 60 under the front of my 200 Travelette.. and a 392 under the hood for a long time.

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Huh? :D





I was saying for JoshC tow rig


Of course keep the IH sheet metal… Just steal the parts from the Ford to put in their rightful place:D :D

I just think it’s easier to have a whole truck to raid parts from than piece it
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.Besides I don’t play with that wimpy 1ton stuff… my tow rig is a Loadstar:D