One of the things Im wanting to add to my wasr10 is a bird cage muzzle brake. However, heres the rub. How and is that legal? The brake I'm looking at has "made in the USA" stamped in it but the remains of the brake thats on it has a spot weld and a pin running into it from the front sight.

dremel teh spot weld, the pin is spring loaded, then unscrew the brake(LH threads), screw new brake on and the spring loaded pin holds it in place...no issue, unless your state doesn't allow birdcage FH...

What's wrong with the slant?

Its not a slant, It looks like a butchered birdcage about 1/2 ~3/4 of a inch long. In truth, it looks like shit. :laughing: Which kinda matches the whole thing right now. :D

So a barrel nut/thread protector?

Chop the weld with a dremel, hold the detent in, and spin it to the right.

So a barrel nut/thread protector?

Chop the weld with a dremel, hold the detent in, and spin it to the right.

yup and if it gives you issues then cut the brake almost to the threads and split it with a cold chisel and unscrew it.

Cool, so it should be a 14X1 thread, l/h right? (unless century fully fubared the thing) I'll order the brake (ak74 style) and let you know how it goes.

Why not a slant stlye, like the ones actually used on '47s?

They may no look as cool, but Mikhail wasn't fond of putting gear on his rifles because of its looks. The slant-brake was used because it works the best on the 7.62 rifles.

;)

Why not a slant stlye, like the ones actually used on '47s?

They may no look as cool, but Mikhail wasn't fond of putting gear on his rifles because of its looks. The slant-brake was used because it works the best on the 7.62 rifles.

;)



One that works even better is the short FAL 10-port muzzle brake.


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Why not a slant stlye, like the ones actually used on '47s?

They may no look as cool, but Mikhail wasn't fond of putting gear on his rifles because of its looks. The slant-brake was used because it works the best on the 7.62 rifles.

;)


Understood but I'm wanting improved performance beyond the stock setup. The 74 birdcage style has the best overall performance as its not just a brake.

Understood but I'm wanting improved performance beyond the stock setup. The 74 birdcage style has the best overall performance as its not just a brake.



the 74 style is good, but not great. I have a 74 style brake on my 74 (obviously) and loved it, so I put one on one of my 47 builds. I have since replaced it with a FAL brake. It's not that the 74 is bad, it's just that the FAL brake is that much better, in my opinion.

And they're cheap enough that if you get one and don't like it, you're not really wasting a lot of money, and someone will eventually buy it from you...

the 74 style is good, but not great. I have a 74 style brake on my 74 (obviously) and loved it, so I put one on one of my 47 builds. I have since replaced it with a FAL brake. It's not that the 74 is bad, it's just that the FAL brake is that much better, in my opinion.

And they're cheap enough that if you get one and don't like it, you're not really wasting a lot of money, and someone will eventually buy it from you...

Link?:grinpimp:


Its always good to learn from someone who has gone down the road already.


How about furniture? Anything oustanding or bad you;ve run up on? I'm wanting to make damn sure the thing is 100% compliant so there is going to be several US parts adding including furniture, gas piston, brake and trigger assembly.

Link?:grinpimp:


Its always good to learn from someone who has gone down the road already.


How about furniture? Anything oustanding or bad you;ve run up on? I'm wanting to make damn sure the thing is 100% compliant so there is going to be several US parts adding including furniture, gas piston, brake and trigger assembly.

The FAL brake is a Tapco part, and should be available on their website, tapco.com. If not, it can be found on sportsmansguide.com. I think the one I have came from cdnninvestments.com


If you're using US furniture, US trigger parts, and a US muzzle device, you don't have to worry about gas pistons. That was the route I chose. You can also use US magazines or followers or floorplates, and if you use a US receiver, you're pretty safe as far as the law is concerned.

For two of my AKs, I've gone with K-var.com for all my furniture. I've used the NATO length black synthetic furniture sets and have been more than happy with them.

For my latest AK build I'm thinking about doing it more traditionally, and going with wood. I've got my eye on some tiger wood furniture sets, which consequently comes with a fairly high price tag.

Using US magazines as part of your parts count is retarded.... You have then limited yourself to only US mags... Put the parts into hard parts(one's that aren't going to be removed) and use whatever mags you find cheapest...

Using US magazines as part of your parts count is retarded.... You have then limited yourself to only US mags... Put the parts into hard parts(one's that aren't going to be removed) and use whatever mags you find cheapest...


I agree...


But, when I get on the centerfiresystems.com $2 mag body sale, and buy a shit ton of them, then hop on the US follower/floor plate sale, and buy a corresponding shit ton of them, I now have a shit ton of "US" mags that I've spent less than $10 each. And if those are the only mags I own, it makes it that much easier to be in compliance.

Such instances would be if I wanted to refinish and reuse the original wood stocks that came with my parts kit. It's just one of those "the more, the better" type of situations.

What I have is supposed to have a tapco US made trigger group in it, US reciever, pins and something else I forget. To make double damn sure I have no issues its getting a US brake, furniture, mag release and gas piston. I'll be adding a better trigger group afterwards. That should cover the potential for discussion about compliance. I'll be looking for that brake later this week.


On another note, I tore the entire thing down and inspected it yesterday. Looks pretty good overall but DAYUM they left a lot of cosmoline in the gas tube and on the spring. It also had what looked like axle grease packed into the bolt. :laughing:


I figure mags are borderline parts being quick release and all.

I agree...


But, when I get on the centerfiresystems.com $2 mag body sale, and buy a shit ton of them, then hop on the US follower/floor plate sale, and buy a corresponding shit ton of them, I now have a shit ton of "US" mags that I've spent less than $10 each. And if those are the only mags I own, it makes it that much easier to be in compliance.

Such instances would be if I wanted to refinish and reuse the original wood stocks that came with my parts kit. It's just one of those "the more, the better" type of situations.

Until you're at the range and decide to try shooting some of your buddies 7.62x39, but don't feel like loading one of your mags with his ammo and pick his up and load his foreign mag into your gun... Better not to worry about that at all...

What I have is supposed to have a tapco US made trigger group in it, US reciever, pins and something else I forget. To make double damn sure I have no issues its getting a US brake, furniture, mag release and gas piston. I'll be adding a better trigger group afterwards. That should cover the potential for discussion about compliance. I'll be looking for that brake later this week.


Don't bother, the G2 trigger group is the one thing crapco does right, not a big surprise since they bought that design from Gordon Technologies.

You probably have a USA trigger group(3), piston(1), pistol grip(1), and muzzle device unless they're going off of the idea that a thread protector isn't considered a muzzle device after it's welded on. If you stick a USA brake on the barrel you'll be fine.

Until you're at the range and decide to try shooting some of your buddies 7.62x39, but don't feel like loading one of your mags with his ammo and pick his up and load his foreign mag into your gun... Better not to worry about that at all...


I'm not disagreeing with your point about it being easier to keep the compliant parts on the rifle, all I'm saying is it's another option, considering the consequence for not having enough.

But if you're too lazy, or don't feel like having the personal responsibility to make sure your rifle is legal in the eyes of the law, then you don't need to be shooting it, or you deserve any punishment you might receive.

Seriously, buying USA parts for the rifle is way cheaper than buying followers and floor plates for a pile of magazines.

Don't bother, the G2 trigger group is the one thing crapco does right, not a big surprise since they bought that design from Gordon Technologies.

You probably have a USA trigger group(3), piston(1), pistol grip(1), and muzzle device unless they're going off of the idea that a thread protector isn't considered a muzzle device after it's welded on. If you stick a USA brake on the barrel you'll be fine.


Understood. however, thats where the build is heading. This has one of those funky dragunov style wood stocks on it. No pistol grip. The gas piston is unmarked.

Ah crap well in that case you might only have the trigger group as a compliance part.

Ah crap well in that case you might only have the trigger group as a compliance part.



Hence the desire to change a few things around. :) however, the trigger is supposed to be a total of 6 parts from what I read. However, that shit is about as clear as mud. :laughing: By the time I'm done, there will be no doubt though.


So does that crapco (to borrow your term) trigger bite on recoil? I've not fired the thing yet. Maybe this coming weekend I'll get to pop a few rounds through it.

No, the trigger group is only 3, whoever is telling you otherwise is full of shit.

As for trigger "slap" I have not encountered a G2 tapco group that slaps.

the trigger is supposed to be a total of 6 parts from what I read.

Trigger group could theoretically be four parts (trigger, hammer, disconnector, sear) but the sear is illegal in a non-NFA-registered gun, so you're down to three parts recognized by the law and legal to have.

Adding a US sear wouldn't replace a foreign part that can legally be in the gun anyway; since you're limited to ten foreign parts, not required to have six US parts (it just happens that an AK has sixteen parts, so everybody refers to it as needing six compliance parts).

My G2 trigger is fairly nice--not near as nice as the two-stage RRA one in my AR, but noticeably better than the original AK trigger.

If your mags are all US made (follower, floorplate, and body) then you're legal with only the trigger group as compliance parts, as long as you don't put a foreign mag into it. Since foreign mags are usually cheaper than US ones (granted, it's a somewhat unfair comparison, as cheap foreign mags are used, while slightly-more-expensive US ones are new, but a functional mag is a functional mag to me), I didn't want to have to deal with that.

Additionally, the fact that my wife is 5'3" meant that for both her and me to shoot the same guns comfortably, telescoping stocks are a must... so I put "compliance" furniture on mine to make up my parts count.

Trigger group could theoretically be four parts (trigger, hammer, disconnector, sear) but the sear is illegal in a non-NFA-registered gun, so you're down to three parts recognized by the law and legal to have.

Adding a US sear wouldn't replace a foreign part that can legally be in the gun anyway; since you're limited to ten foreign parts, not required to have six US parts (it just happens that an AK has sixteen parts, so everybody refers to it as needing six compliance parts).

My G2 trigger is fairly nice--not near as nice as the two-stage RRA one in my AR, but noticeably better than the original AK trigger.

If your mags are all US made (follower, floorplate, and body) then you're legal with only the trigger group as compliance parts, as long as you don't put a foreign mag into it. Since foreign mags are usually cheaper than US ones (granted, it's a somewhat unfair comparison, as cheap foreign mags are used, while slightly-more-expensive US ones are new, but a functional mag is a functional mag to me), I didn't want to have to deal with that.

Additionally, the fact that my wife is 5'3" meant that for both her and me to shoot the same guns comfortably, telescoping stocks are a must... so I put "compliance" furniture on mine to make up my parts count.

My wife looked at it and asked me why? Then she started laughing. :laughing:She just doesnt care as long as the stuff is under .50 cal and doesn't require a jeep and turret.

I've glanced at the telescoping stocks and just dont like the look so I'm now looking at the US nato length stuff for it.

To me a mag is a mag, you load it, it works. Good enough for me.

I'll stay with that tapco trigger and see how I like it. It does have a long pull though. Once I get done rearranging things a bit, I'll get some pics to someone who can post 'em and see what ya'll think about it.

Anyone got a link to FAL kits? I'm thinking about getting one as a later build.

My wife looked at it and asked me why? Then she started laughing. :laughing:She just doesnt care as long as the stuff is under .50 cal and doesn't require a jeep and turret.

I've glanced at the telescoping stocks and just dont like the look so I'm now looking at the US nato length stuff for it.


I'll absolutely grant that the telescoping stock looks wrong on an AK, but I also have a personal aversion to wood anything. Metal and plastic, I like, wood, bugs me. Although, it's tempting to build another AK (they're cheap and interesting to build) with original furniture just 'cause "it's right". Plus, the Romanian kit I got, had pretty good condition wood, that I just sat on a shelf.

My wife has claimed my AR, and has threatened to paint it (or at least portions of it--my former-Marine buddy who's been teaching her to shoot has at least talked her out of most of the idea) pink. At least she's not using the magazine as a benchrest "foot" any more. And she was pouty about that I didn't involve her in building the AK. Not exactly the reaction I'd expected, but not something I'm going to complain about, either.

I'll absolutely grant that the telescoping stock looks wrong on an AK, but I also have a personal aversion to wood anything. Metal and plastic, I like, wood, bugs me. Although, it's tempting to build another AK (they're cheap and interesting to build) with original furniture just 'cause "it's right". Plus, the Romanian kit I got, had pretty good condition wood, that I just sat on a shelf.

My wife has claimed my AR, and has threatened to paint it (or at least portions of it--my former-Marine buddy who's been teaching her to shoot has at least talked her out of most of the idea) pink. At least she's not using the magazine as a benchrest "foot" any more. And she was pouty about that I didn't involve her in building the AK. Not exactly the reaction I'd expected, but not something I'm going to complain about, either.



Methinks you should buy another ak kit and help her build it to her liking. :D Oh, and tell her if she evers wants a future ex husband, look me up. :p

I can see a pink AR. just silly enough to appeal to me. :grinpimp: although I'd be more inclinded to do ghost flames on it.

My wife has claimed my AR, and has threatened to paint it (or at least portions of it--my former-Marine buddy who's been teaching her to shoot has at least talked her out of most of the idea) pink. .

You pay for just the duracoat and shipping and I will do pink zombie skulls on your magazines :laughing:

Or even your upper or stock :grinpimp:

You pay for just the duracoat and shipping and I will do pink zombie skulls on your magazines :laughing:

Or even your upper or stock :grinpimp:


Why were you the first person I thought of when he said pink AR? :flipoff2: