I'm lookin for a place to go wheelin near phoenix when i come out to visit and i'm havin a hard time findin places that aren't closed. Also its been quite a while since i've been out there so I dont know how to get to a lot of the places i've found on the net.

I'm lookin for something that will actually challenge the newly built Stinkbug, but not to the point of breakin parts. I do have to drive it back home on sunday. Also the farther north the better, i'm stayin in cave creek and dont really wanna drive out to east mesa to wheel for a couple hours. some people have mentioned upper and lower terminator, which sound do-able, but no one i know out there has a truck that would be up to it, so I need to find others that would go with us. any suggestions? anyone wanna go wheelin with us?

oh BTW this will be my girlfriends first real wheelin, so i'd like to make it real fun for her. then maybe she wont mind me workin on the rig so much.

Dallas

Lower Terminator is pretty easy, my K30 had no troubles at all, even with 132" wheel base (no by-pass and took the "hard" lines when there was a choice). We didn't do upper. Most of the rigs with us were full-size full bodied and most weren't willing to sacrifice. I've never been on upper but I've heard it is not full-size friendly. If my K30 weren't down right now (I cut the wheel base to 112" and I'm building a buggy body) I would be glad to go with you. Oh well, maybe next time.

well it looks like runnin the terminators is gonna be our best choice. I'd say meet at 8am somewhere along the 17. I'll take suggestions on a meeting place. I'm not gonna be used to the heat so i wanna try to get out early and stay as cool as possible. Let me know if you wanna come along. I'd love to meet some more wheelers and play on the rocks.

Dallas

Make sure the trails are still open. I've never been to Terminator, but as far as I know, all BLM, Forest and State Trust land are closed right now. I would hate to see you waste a trip, or get a big fat fine.

Have fun!

from what i have been told and what i've been able to find on the web the terminators are open. i wanted to run crown king and raw deal but was told that they were closed by people on this BB tho i cant find info on the USFS web sites. the BLM site said they were under fire restrictions but they didn't say the land was closed. If anyone knows for sure one way or the other or knows where i can get info on that area please let me know. also if anyone has directions to the trail head, please share, i haven't run the trail before and haven't wheeled near there in over a year. thanks.

Dallas

The Terminators are open. I would suggest meeting much earlier to beat the heat.

Here are some pics from our run on Lower for reference.

http://www.rockmodified.com/fsr/lowerterm_4-13-02/01-20.htm

Originally posted by zags
The Terminators are open. I would suggest meeting much earlier to beat the heat.

Ok what time would you suggest. I'm not much of a morning person and i'm driving out the night before so i dont wanna be wakin up at 4 am to go wheelin. I'm open to any and all suggestions since you guys live there and know whats up better than i do. I'll be driving out friday afternoon/evening and leaving sunday, and i just wanna go wheelin with someone while i'm there.

Dallas

Originally posted by StinkBug


Ok what time would you suggest. I'm not much of a morning person and i'm driving out the night before so i dont wanna be wakin up at 4 am to go wheelin. I'm open to any and all suggestions since you guys live there and know whats up better than i do. I'll be driving out friday afternoon/evening and leaving sunday, and i just wanna go wheelin with someone while i'm there.

Dallas

Now that it is summer I plan on unloading my trailer at 5:30 am (suns already up by then). Usually back to the trailer before noon, home in 45 minutes, plenty of time for a nap :D

I might be interested in doing L. Terminator on the 22nd.

I'd say to meet at 6am and get rolling by 6:30 though. That way we should be done by Noon, and get home before it gets too hot.

Anyone else interested in going? I can lead, I know the way pretty good. :D

Maybe I'll have stuff close to back together by then, if so, I may be up for the run.

Originally posted by AzWebMan
I might be interested in doing L. Terminator on the 22nd.

I'd say to meet at 6am and get rolling by 6:30 though. That way we should be done by Noon, and get home before it gets too hot.

Anyone else interested in going? I can lead, I know the way pretty good. :D

Ok 6am meeting it is, man am i gonna be asleep :emb: oh well whatever. Where should we meet at? If your willing to lead that would be great since i dont know the area well. one of my friends buddies may be bringing his bronco out and me and my girl will be in stinky. how long does it take to run lower? think there would be time to run upper as well before it gets too hot, or are both trails fairly long?

Dallas

Meet at 6am at the Agua Fria River crossing.

Take I-17 North of Phoenix to the Table Mesa Rd Exit.
Turn Left, go over the Freeway overpasses and then take a Right. This road starts paved and then turns to gravel. Take a Right at the first "Y" and a Right at the second "Y" The Agua Fria riverbed is pretty wide, you shouldn't miss it. The road comes straight down into the river bed and then straight across. Meet at the bottom.

As for running both, we can see what time we get down with lower, if we breeze through it we should have time for Upper.

- Mike

Sweet, its a plan. I'll be there.

Dallas

Ya might consider putting something up on the Toyota board too... seems like most of the local guys on here run Toys

Dam straight. The majority of POR users run Toys. I'll be up at Table Mesa Saturday morning. Helping to break a new trail. Maybe I'll see you guys around.:D

I'm out for a while. Got vacation to Mississippi coming up.
Two friggin weeks in Mississippi. :( (Wife's family reunion. Don't ya like how i have to use all my vacation time on HER stuff.)

WTF am i gonna do in Mississippi when my 4Runner is in Arizona???
I'm really gonna miss her!

WTF am i gonna do in Mississippi when my 4Runner is in Arizona???

Toothless blow jobs?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by StinkBug


one of my friends buddies may be bringing his bronco out and me and my girl will be in stinky.
Dallas


thats me, but i aint running upper and i dont know what lowers like so we will see.

Lower is easy. The IFS Pissfinder only had trouble at one spot (and only because Nissan steering sux). I'd have liked to see Upper, but it just wasn't in the cards.

Hey Dustin, i thought you were on here. You should do fine on lower from what i've heard. besides you gotta go, russell needs a ride :p. I think running upper is still up in the air right now, probably will decide based on how long lower takes and how many of us wanna run it. see you out there.

Dallas

i'll link this over on the toy board too.

Originally posted by EricZ
I'm out for a while. Got vacation to Mississippi coming up.
Two friggin weeks in Mississippi. :( (Wife's family reunion. Don't ya like how i have to use all my vacation time on HER stuff.)

WTF am i gonna do in Mississippi when my 4Runner is in Arizona???
I'm really gonna miss her!

Hey Eric, here's a simple solution:

fly out the family, drive out the 'runner, gotta have transportation while your there :D

I can here Eric now-

Uh, Honey, I'm sorry it took me 6 days to get here, guess I'll have to leave tomorow to get back in time


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wish I could come down, but I won't be healed up enough- got about 50% range of motion back after seperating my shoulder-

enjoy the heat!

Yeah sure.
Hey anyone want to buy my 4Runner?





Originally posted by crawler#976


Hey Eric, here's a simple solution:

fly out the family, drive out the 'runner, gotta have transportation while your there :D

I can here Eric now-



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wish I could come down, but I won't be healed up enough- got about 50% range of motion back after seperating my shoulder-

enjoy the heat!

Originally posted by StinkBug
Hey Dustin, i thought you were on here. You should do fine on lower from what i've heard. besides you gotta go, russell needs a ride :p. I think running upper is still up in the air right now, probably will decide based on how long lower takes and how many of us wanna run it. see you out there.

Dallas

i'll link this over on the toy board too.

yeah i wander in occasially. I have been looking around and it looks like i could do it. its locked front and rear so thats not a problem just gota try and keep the body off the rocks:p cause my sliders wont be done yet, probaly working on them that sunday. whats new russell always needs a ride. :rolleyes:

Better check the closures as this gets closer. Parts of that area are on fire right now. Even if they get it put out, they may close it to keep more fires from cropping up.

Chris

I'm in for sure... death wobble has been cured...

I'm planning on being at the river crossing a little before 6am to unload, is anyone else planning on towing? or are y'all driving?
how 'bout a final roll call too?
I'll have my orange & black 78 F250 supercab so y'all can spot me easily, & a friend will be there in his TJ

I'll be driving my Jeep as my el cheapo tow rig needs some cooling work and has yet to pass emmissions.

Look for a brown CJ-7 with some, heh, *mild* body damage.

Myself and the rest of the boyz will be out there Saturday morning again. We will be there about 530am. We have some work to do.

Blue97TJ, as of when was there fires back there? Where did you get this info?

I'll be drivin in from San Diego the night before, and i'll try to be there as early as possible. Hopefully I can get to AZ early in the evening and get some sleep, otherwise i may be a little slow in the morning. I'll be drivin the only black amigo with 10" of lift and 35s in town.

Also i talked to my buddy russell last night and he said his friend wasn't sure about comin cause he's worried about body damage on his bronco (no boulder bars yet). I told him he should come and check it out and ride with someone if he decides not to drive it. Will someone have a spare seat just in case? I already have 3 in my rig, which is gonna be tight.

Dallas

I should have some spare room, if need be.

Likely, he'll want to skip it. Without rocker-pannel protection, he'll likely get into it coming out of the Z-Turn.

http://www.azchatfield.net/pics/Thumb.asp?W=400&F=2_02261678h.jpg (http://www.azchatfield.net/Pics/View.asp?ID=119&A=26&S=250)

Originally posted by JackA
when was there fires back there? Where did you get this info?
I heard this on the news too. But from the way they described it, it was a brush fire next to the freeway -- not off on BLM land or anything. So it shouldn't affect us.

I guess people don't think that their glowing red-hot CATs won't set the dry grass on fire when they pull off the highway... :rolleyes:

Hey Mike, How much belly draggin and rocker carnage should be expected on these trails. My old nerfs got turned into a few different things and now one of em is the front bumper, and i have yet to finish my belly skid. I'm just wondering if i should go pick up the steel for the new nerfs, and fab up a little skid for the tcase before i come out. I really shoulda built em by now, but i been lazy :zzz:

Dallas

I can't think of much on L. Terminator that really *Requires* that much skid plate protection. As for rocker pannels, with your extremely SWB, you should be able to pick a line to keep your rocker pannel off the Z-Turn -- I usually do, unless I'm going for air-time. I do get on the rockerpannel pretty hard at the end, but that is an optional line:

http://www.azchatfield.net/Pics/Thumb.asp?W=400&F=2_020515115517d.jpg (http://www.azchatfield.net/Pics/View.asp?ID=156&A=26&S=250)

I'm not that tall either. 2.5" lift on my CJ-7 -- I did clock the transfercase and fab up a skid plate which netted me about 4" of clearance. I think I'm around 17" - 18" at the skid, and I don't hit anything on Lower, except on some of the optional obstacles/lines.

Upper is a little different, as it does have some rocks that can roll around on ya. But it is still not that bad.

thanks mike. i'm gonna pick up the tube for the nerfs today at lunch and try to have em done for the trip out. I've been meaning to put em together for a while and its about time i got to work. I'll also slap together a small skid for the tcase, i'm not all that worried about it, i've probably got 21-24" under it and it only hangs down 1/2" below the xmember, but i'd rather be safe. See you saturday.

Dallas

BTT, anyone else comin?

I'm up for a little run!! Running full-size K/5.Meeting is still 6am at Table Mesa Rd.?I'll be in the gray K/5 Topless.Anyone else?

i'll pop out with the pig if i can get this carb to quit leakin, i need to get the TBI done soon!!!

well things just changed for me. i have to work saterday cause to fill in for a guy that had to fly back to texas cause his wife was in a bad car wreck. and i really wanted to come out too even if it was just to check it out

dallas i metioned to russell that we can do fr-42 out by barlett lake on sunday if you want since he metioned that you wanted to go somewhere else as well

yeah i dont need anymore rocker damage, I am hopefully build some sliders with in a week or two
http://members.cox.net/dust44/rockerdamage2.JPG

Originally posted by AzWebMan


http://www.azchatfield.net/pics/Thumb.asp?W=400&F=2_02261678h.jpg (http://www.azchatfield.net/Pics/View.asp?ID=119&A=26&S=250)

I thought that line was the bypass :confused:


:flipoff2:

Originally posted by zags
I thought that line was the bypass :confused: :flipoff2:
Yep, but its more *fun* than the so-called *hard* line :flipoff2:

Besides, I figured that would be the only way to get the Bronco through with minimal rocker panel damage. Going over the Terminator would probably doom both rocker panels:

http://www.azchatfield.net/pics/Thumb.asp?W=400&F=2_022616635e.jpg (http://www.azchatfield.net/pics/View.asp?ID=41&A=26&S=250)

Originally posted by BLUESMAN
I'm up for a little run!! Running full-size K/5.Meeting is still 6am at Table Mesa Rd.?I'll be in the gray K/5 Topless.Anyone else?


hmmm... you got a fullsize & you ain't wheelin with the fullsize group yet? We need to get ya in with us.

So so far it looks like we've got:

Me, Russell, and my girl in the stinkbug
Mike in his Jeep
Fullsizes rule in an F250
Bluesman in a K5
Rhino in an FJ maybe???

Looks like everyone is drivin something totally different :cool: anyone else wanna join in? we got room for a toy and a sammi :flipoff2:

Dallas

Originally posted by McSoo
Lower is easy. The IFS Pissfinder only had trouble at one spot (and only because Nissan steering sux). I'd have liked to see Upper, but it just wasn't in the cards.


:eek: its mike!!!

I'll be there.....Marv Springer said he might be able to make it also.We really need a Toy and some others out there.

I'm expecting 2 or 3 other Az Rock Rats (http://www.RockRats.org) as well.

Antone else care to join? Marv Springer said he'll be there in his flexy K/5.I'll see what I can do in my open diffs K/5.Mike

I know that this is a bit unrelated, but Sunday (The 23rd), would anyone mind lending me a sawzall and a driveway? I want to cut the top off the Pathy, and I don't have anywhere to do it... Nor any time during the week.
Let me know if you can help.
Mike
Oh, what up Dave? How's the new house and whatev's? (PM me back)

I wish I could at least tag along, but I won't be getting back in to PHX (airport) till almost noon. :( Wouldn't be as much fun riding right seat anyway. Drink a cold one and remember me, setting in a stinking plane, while you guys tear it up... :rasta:

Didn't think I'd make it, but my plans got canceled for the weekend due to the fires so I came out at the last minute.

Here's some pics from the run: (http://www.houlster.com/trails/LowerPredator/22Jun02.htm)


Someone else was there taking a *lot* more pics than I did too. If anyone on the run wants some of these, I've got hi-rez versions I can email ya too.

--Dan

Thanks to all that helped on this run! It was a great experience for me and my boy.Now I have a new list of mods to do!Mike

Just wanted to say it was nice meeting everyone. Turned out to be a larger group than I expected, but we still managed to finish up shortly after noon.

Only casualty was a busted D44 U-Joint (and shafts) OH and LOTS of Sheet Metal :D :D

Kieth from RockModified.com (http://www.RockModified.com) was out there taking lots of pictures, I imagine they'll show up on his site sometime in the near future.

I hope everyone else had fun. See ya on da trails!

Thanks a lot for comin out everyone, I had a great time and so did my girl and my buddy Russell. Sorry i held you up so long gettin wedged in that crack. I really appreciate all the help you guys gave me. You are definitely an awesome group of people and i'd Love to wheel with you again some time. Looks like my outer shaft survived OK and the inner is dead along with the joint. I replaced the fried shifter cable saturday night and covered it with fuel hose to hopefully keep it together longer this time. Other than those 2 my only damage is sheet metal, and lots of it. Tho i did have one of my new to me 35s blow out on the way back to san diego last night. No problem tho, just changed it out and was back underway. I'll have pictures up in my webshots album shortly, just click the sig.

Dallas

Keith's pics are up...
http://www.rockmodified.com/trails/termjun21-02/01-20.htm

Hey! I've been through there! :D Wish I could have made it this time... :(

I would have loved to seen ya there Russ...
liked to have watched you follow my new & improved stupid line through the Z-turn...
Note in the one pic I'm driving on the sidewall of the right front tire, & Sean was a little worried my hood or cab was gonna hit the rock on the other side :D :D :D