does anyone make a converison for teh eco tec motors?

that would be a great swap you could run it cheap with the open source stand alone megasquirt. now someone needs to make and adapter.

dont know what an ecotec is but i could probably design and build an adapter for it

Chevy 4 cyl out of saturns and cobalts

IF you're going to convert, just go VW diesel. proven, good power, no computer, available, smog exempt (in Kalifornia), conversion kits exist, no R&D!

That's wht I'm doin'

170 H.P Ecotec 155 Ft. Lbs Torque
Type: 2.2L I-4
Displacement: 2189 cc (134 ci)
Compression ratio: 10.0:1
Bore x stroke: 86.00 x 94.60mm
Fuel system: sequential fuel injection
Rev Limit: 6000
Block: cast aluminum
Cylinder head: cast aluminum
Intake manifold: composite
Connecting rods: forged powder metal



They are very popular in moon buggies, and sand cars, Usually with turbo.
Theres adaptors for them, I doubt for a suzuki trans though?

I would love to put on the cobalt SS motors in a zuk. what a great little motor for this type of truck. All AL. with a roots style blower, mmm bottom end TQ here we come. hell even the NA ss 2.4 ecotec motor makes 174/15x that would be great as well.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f25/bpipe95/cobaltss07_engine1600.jpg
2.0L/205-hp supercharged I-4, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl

Does anyone have any more info on this. maybe bell housing measurements or fly wheel size in compairison to track/kick or sammi trans.

I'm waiting for some pictures of Matt's competion buggy to be posted over on the Trail-Gear forum. He has an Ecotech with a hughes transmission.

the ecotech sounds like a very good candidate for a engine swap. if the r&d was done for it and adaptor available i would really look into it.

IF you're going to convert, just go VW diesel. proven, good power, no computer, available, smog exempt (in Kalifornia), conversion kits exist, no R&D!

That's wht I'm doin'

dude..........shut up:shaking:
There is more then one way to do something believe it or not. The ecotech is a great motor, what are the specs on the VW? I dont see very many moon buggys running this motor I wonder why? Dont get me wrong I love diesels but I was never impressed with the VWs that people put in samis, I bet an ecto tech powered sami would smoke any VW swapped sami. Oh and if these are so great, prove me worng.:flipoff2:

I have been thinking if I was going to do a motor swap into my Samurai, this motor is at the top of my list.

By the way, the newest N/A version of this motor (2007 model year) is as high as 177 HP and 170 ft lbs torque. :eek:

GM is really making some sick motors these days.

Anyone have some hard and fast dimensions on this motor and weights? The older N/A versions are getting pretty cheap as they are hitting junk yards more and more these days.

Basic info at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine#Ecotec

There are several rear wheel drive transmission options now and many adapters. The most interesting is the Asin family of transmissions. Using the bellhousing from the RWD manual cars should allow you to mate up to a Toyota truck, Isuzu and many similar 4x4 transmissions.

There are adapters for the T5 family of transmissions, and from there you should be able to mate to a Dana 300 or Atlas.

There are also adpaters that convert it to anything that uses the Chevy bolt pattern as used on the V8s. So that open up most all of the automatic trans mission choices. 200R4 would probaby be plenty behind these motors.

Honestly, I most interested in mating this up to the Samurai 5 speed. I think if I used a 150hp or less version of the motor that the transmission and clutch should be able to deal with it.

In the past I had a VW 1.8 gas motor mated to the Samurai 5 speed. That was a 100 HP motor with good torque. I never had any issues with the clutch or transmission. I felt the car still needed more power though. :D It was far better then stock, and I liked it a lot more then the 1600 16 valve choice. (Better torque, less shifting.)

These Ecotec motors are coming down in price, especially the normally aspirated versions. I would like to see some of the dimensions to confirm they will be a good fit.

My simple rule of thumb, don't bother doing a motor swap unless it is going to double your horse power, or if you really love that type of motor. (diesel, turbo, rotary..) All other reasons are void in my humble opinion. (I have done 3 motor swaps and helped with many more.)

Share your info!! Lets see where this takes us.

-Wayne

p.s. My stock motor is making some noises...

Wayne,
One of the guys I work with has three and knows where you can get them used for around $400.00. He's going to take some dimensions for me when he gets home and I'll get back to you with the info.

Here is one of the 177 hp versions for sale on Pirate with a RWD trans:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7238362#post7238362



The newest version:
LNF

Pontiac will offer a Gasoline direct injection version (redubbed Spark Ignition Direct Injection) for use in the 2007 Solstice GXP. Displacement is 2.0 L (1998 cc) with an 86 mm (3.38 in) bore and stroke. Compression is 9.2:1, delivering 260 hp (194 kW) and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m) of torque. The "Gen II" block is similar to the 2.4 L and also features VVT technology.

:flipoff2:

Found a weight listed as:
Super charged versions are 300 lbs with everything
N/A versions are 270 lbs with everything.

2.2L is 271 lbs. That's everything including the computer, Harness, a shorty exhaust (no cat), no A/C, and with a power steering pump.

A quote from Tony K here:
The Ecotec is the sh!t. Super clean and light weight. Super simple harness. Clean lines. 1000 different holes for motor mounts, etc. Easy power steering add on. And did I mention it's really light. 238 lbs on my crane scale.


Dimensions:
the Ecotec 2.2-liter is only 665 millimeters long, 642 millimeters wide and just 655 millimeters tall (26.2 x 25.3 x 25.8 inches)

I've noticed that a few applications have all motor accessories at the bottom of the motor. While this looks like great packaging, it may be way to wide for a Samurai frame... Something to check for.

-Wayne

IF you're going to convert, just go VW diesel. proven, good power, no computer, available, smog exempt (in Kalifornia), conversion kits exist, no R&D!

That's wht I'm doin'


Have you ever trail riden behind a diesel? Peeeeeuuuuwwww. Did it once, never again. You are not going to be very popular unless you are the last one in the group.

Found a weight listed as:
Super charged versions are 300 lbs with everything
N/A versions are 270 lbs with everything.

2.2L is 271 lbs. That's everything including the computer, Harness, a shorty exhaust (no cat), no A/C, and with a power steering pump.

A quote from Tony K here:
The Ecotec is the sh!t. Super clean and light weight. Super simple harness. Clean lines. 1000 different holes for motor mounts, etc. Easy power steering add on. And did I mention it's really light. 238 lbs on my crane scale.


Dimensions:
the Ecotec 2.2-liter is only 665 millimeters long, 642 millimeters wide and just 655 millimeters tall (26.2 x 25.3 x 25.8 inches)

I've noticed that a few applications have all motor accessories at the bottom of the motor. While this looks like great packaging, it may be way to wide for a Samurai frame... Something to check for.

-Wayne

Wayne,

These are the dimensions I got.
20" long, 20" wide, height is total of 25" and around 300lbs.

GM conversions are popular in the UK, GM cars were available in the late 80's in RWD with a very short transmission, later FWD engines fit to this. A composite prop can be made to connect to the sammy transfer box, all in all a simple way of getting a bit more power.
I am thinking about putting a 2l ecotec in the racer as it will be a cheap way of getting 170hp+, I could spend the same sort of money on the 16v & have 40hp less & an engine like a grenade with the pin out!

Tim

Does anyone know what trans people use in their ECOTECH Buggys?

Wayne,

These are the dimensions I got.
20" long, 20" wide, height is total of 25" and around 300lbs.

Hmm, I like your dimensions alot more then the others I found online. I wonder is someone measured the length with a front mounted power steering pump or something.

Your 20x20x25 is very similar to the stock 1.3 Suzuki motor when taking intake and exhaust manifolds into account. 20" width is even good between the Sammi frame rails. Heck, even room for a radiator up front.

JpJon, do you know what version of the motor you measured, and what all it had bolted up to it?

So if the size looks good for the engine compartment, and the HP is within the limits of the Suzuki drivetrain (outer limits anyhow), this might just work.

The bad news is that these engines way twice as much as the stock motor, but then again, what doesn't? The good news is that you get about 2.3 times the horse power and 2 times the torque.

The real bad news is this is an OBDII motor, so a smog legal swap will be a pain in the ass here in California. That is the primary reason you don't see many options for the Suzuki 2.0 in the Samurai. Smog legal is a bitch.

I'll start looking into the electronics needs of this motor in a smog legal form.

-Wayne

Does anyone know what trans people use in their ECOTECH Buggys?

What trans would you like to run? Some choices I have read about:

Power Glide, 200R4, 700R4, Turbo350, T4, T5, VW transaxles, 999 (or is that 909) etc.

The easiest is probably the Asin stuff (I forget the correct name). These transmissions are used by many makes including Saturn, Toyota, Jeep, Volvo, etc.

Most of the above require adapters or bellhousing swaps. Some of these adapters are spendy.

I'm thinking for the Samurai an adapter to the stock trans would make this an interesting choice. Saves big money on trans, tunnel mods, driveshafts, etc. I think the Samurai trans can hold up to the abuse for a year or two...?

-Wayne

Where did you get the tranny info?? I'm looking at doing one also. I can get a 42,000 mile motor for about $500 :eek:

The easiest is probably the Asin stuff (I forget the correct name). These transmissions are used by many makes including Saturn, Toyota, Jeep, Volvo, etc.

-Wayne

If you think the Asian trans will work you are in luck, read this thread:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,60994.0.html
The volvo version has a .688 overdrive and has no computer or wires and has a flanged output, making it adapt to a sami case easily. A friend adapted a tracker T-case to it and I made an adapter to mount a toyota T-case to one that is 1" shorter in length then the stock drivetrain. As far as strength goes, the toyota version of this transmission is used in those toyota campers/box trucks and Supras.

If you think the Asian trans will work you are in luck, read this thread:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,60994.0.html
The volvo version has a .688 overdrive and has no computer or wires and has a flanged output, making it adapt to a sami case easily. A friend adapted a tracker T-case to it and I made an adapter to mount a toyota T-case to one that is 1" shorter in length then the stock drivetrain. As far as strength goes, the toyota version of this transmission is used in those toyota campers/box trucks and Supras.

YOU HAVE READ MY MIND :D That's the tranny I have on the way right now

YOU HAVE READ MY MIND :D That's the tranny I have on the way right now
They are easy to find, the junkyards are full of Volvos. The one I got had a 23spline output that matched the 23 spline toyota T-case, that made mating the two easy. The bellhousings of this series of transmissions are interchangable, so if there is one that mates with this engine an adapter would not be needed

The real bad news is this is an OBDII motor, so a smog legal swap will be a pain in the ass here in California. That is the primary reason you don't see many options for the Suzuki 2.0 in the Samurai. Smog legal is a bitch.


What makes the 2.0 smog a royal PITA is the TWU cat in the exhaust - it doesn't fit in between the frame rails right off the header, and you are not allowed to move it (if the ref wants to be picky).

what the refs want to see on an OBDII engine:

1) cat's from original
2) OBDII certified speed sensor
3) vapor controls if any.

Possibly, transmission OBDII certified for that engine.

I'm thinking about tackling this outright next year, if I could find the cats and vapor control system, and let the ref guess on the speed sensor.

One thing I have found out is they make a RWD car. The Solstice (sp) and Skyline, so this might also be a good option to a sammy t-case

I'm not sure that the Volvo automatic (Aisin) will work, you will have to do some research on that. I don't think GM uses the Aisin automatics. They do use the Aisin manuals though, and that was the bellhousing swap that would be interesting.

I'm not sure I would be happy with an automatic behind a 4 banger, so have not looked to close at those options. But a 200R4 will bolt up to the motor, and I think I would pick that trans before a Volvo. Lots of good t-case options on that Trans family too.

tdavis - Hmm, I'll have to see what smog legal will require. If they require the trans I would be dead in the water for my plans. I'm mostly interested in this if I can mate it up to the Samurai 5 speed. Being a manual, I'm not sure they would care what the trans is, but we know logic has little to do with the smog laws.

I found the tranny info by doing google searches and reading many threads like this one. I have not confirmed any of this info, and have no part numbers to back them up with fact. Some old threads are flat out wrong though as to what will bolt up. Seems many people confused the ecotec's with their older cousins that have a different bolt pattern, higher weights and lower power levels.

These motors have been in North America since 2000. There is a fair amount of info on them scattered around the internet. It just a matter of finding it.

-Wayne

Well I just ordered my 2.2l eco motor. Will be here Tuesday. What did the 200r4 tranny come out of?? I'm thinking about getting the RWD tranny out of the Solstice (manual 5-speed) for this swap (I would just have to have a manual for this swap, can you save side step :evil:) So when it gets here I will post pics and some good measurements.

The shifter location on the solstice trans is ALL the way at the rear, make sure you get measuments for it so that the shifter does not end up in a bad spot.

also it would really easy to get the 2.4 to run on megasqirt stand alone and that would be tits for tuning and adjustment and a super small wire harnes. oh man if the solstice trans would work it would one hell of a drive train for a zuk.

Doing a little research on transmission options right now.

The Aisin trans that GM uses is the AR5, and it is rated for 225 ft lbs. That means they will have to upgrade transmissions for the new DI version.
Gear ratios:
1 2 3 4 5 R
3.75 2.26 1.37 1.00 0.73 3.67

Available in:
# 2006– Pontiac Solstice
# 2007– Saturn Sky

Many of the Aisin transmissions use a bellhousing that adapts the transmission to different engines. There are some great threads around regarding this. I know of several Isuzu's running around with Toyota t-cases as a result of this. Here is a listing of some of their transmissions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aisin_transmissions

You will want to confirm which are compatible. And any changes in the input shaft.

Notice the Grand Vitara uses the AW5 and an AR5 (yes a version of the same transmission.) for you Suzuki purists. :flipoff2:

You will have to do your homework to make sure this is a good method.

Here are some pics of a Ecotec to Chevy V8 adpater plate, and a Tremec transmission bolted up to it.

-Wayne

Notice the Grand Vitara uses the AW5 and an AR5 (yes a version of the same transmission.) for you Suzuki purists.

You will have to do your homework to make sure this is a good method.

Already done some of the homework. The bellhousing from a 4 door tracker (4-speed auto) bolts on to the volvo auto. This allows you to bolt a non-computer controlled overdrive transmission to a 1.6 or 2.0 in a tracker or samurai. Not really a big deal for a trail rig but the OD will come in handy on a sami driven on the street

Well I just ordered my 2.2l eco motor. Will be here Tuesday. What did the 200r4 tranny come out of?? I'm thinking about getting the RWD tranny out of the Solstice (manual 5-speed) for this swap (I would just have to have a manual for this swap, can you save side step :evil:) So when it gets here I will post pics and some good measurements.

200r4 tranny on an Ecotec requires an adapter it seems.
http://transmissionadapters.com/Old's%20Alero.htm

Also note the power steering pump mounted to the cam on the back of the engine. This is an option for these motors. I'd guess something we don't want.

I also forgot to mention that the exhaust is on the wrong side of the engine. I'm used that that though. Easy enough to cross over above the bellhousing.

-Wayne

Already done some of the homework. The bellhousing from a 4 door tracker (4-speed auto) bolts on to the volvo auto. This allows you to bolt a non-computer controlled overdrive transmission to a 1.6 or 2.0 in a tracker or samurai. Not really a big deal for a trail rig but the OD will come in handy on a sami driven on the street

Yes, but what does that have to do with the Ecotec motor? The AR5 is a manual 5 speed Aisin transmission used in the Grand Vit and the Soltice/Skyline. So chances are good a bellhousing swap will work if you wanted to go that route. (Easy t-case and gearing options.)

I have not looked into the automatics much as they tend to be more work, and not really something I'm interested in for the vehicle I'm dreaming up.

Please do keep us posted on any developments. I have been following the automatic swap thread on Zuu as I enjoy that kind of stuff. I have also followed very similar threads regarding Jeeps, Toyotas and Isuzus. (Heck I have a Mitsubishi mated up to Toyota W56 trans.) An Isuzu buddy has a GM motor and a Jeep trans feeding his Toy axle that is steered by a Scout box. Poor guy has some sort of identity crisis going. :grinpimp:

-Wayne

How about the stock rear wheel drive automatic, Hydra-Matic 5L40-E Transaxle:

In the 2006 model year, an optional Hydra-Matic 5L40-E five-speed automatic transmission became available.
Type: five-speed rear-wheel-drive, electronically controlled automatic overdrive transmission with torque converter clutch.

Engine Range: 1.8L-3.6L

Max Gearbox Torque: 494 lb.-ft.

Weight: 182 lbs.

Assembly Site: Strasbourg, France

Applications: Cadillac; CTS, STS, SRX, Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky

------------


Or the stock rear wheel drive Aisin AR5:
Type: rear wheel drive, five-speed manual transmission.

Engine Range: 2.8L-3.5L

Max Gearbox Torque: N/A

Weight: 107 lbs.

Applications: Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, Hummer H3, Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky

Just found another little gem..

Ecotec to GM T5 transmissions bellhousing adapter from:
http://rs584.securehostserver.com/~quad4rod/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=29&category_id=4&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=29

NICE!! I too today found the Tremec and that 200r4 tranny adapter today :smokin:

Wayne, if the tranny between the GV and Solstice is the same.. that would solve the VSS/tranny problem for California emissions.

And what about this for EASY installation :eek: http://rs584.securehostserver.com/~quad4rod/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/36d1d45935bbf8e52b2dbfffb994e6f4.jpg
Can we say SIDEDRAFTS!!!!:D

And what about this for EASY installation :eek: http://rs584.securehostserver.com/~quad4rod/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/36d1d45935bbf8e52b2dbfffb994e6f4.jpg
Can we say SIDEDRAFTS!!!!:D

Can we ask why you would want to do side drafts? Especially for how much money they want just for that manifold? Probably piss away 10% of the power of the motor, a lot more for the VVT versions.

I saw someone advertising customized Ecotec wire harnesses for under $300. Makes me think they aren't that bad to wire. (Same guy wanted around $500 for a Honda harness.)

-Wayne

Just thought it would be easier for some. Under $300 is a pretty good price for a harness. I just got done with my sidekick harness and it was fairly easy but it took some time.Why do you think you would loose power??

i would like to know where you found that info at $300 for a customized wire harness


:massey:


I saw someone advertising customized Ecotec wire harnesses for under $300. Makes me think they aren't that bad to wire. (Same guy wanted over $500 for a Honda harness.)

-Wayne

The $300 harness was a Goggle search when I was looking for transmission info.. I have had 2 rerquests for that site now.. I'll see if I can find it again.

Here you go, $275:
http://www.enginewiring.com/Pricing.html

Don't know if they are any good or not.

-Wayne

Got my 2.2l this morning :eek: Measurements Length 27" from front of motor to the power steering pump. Height from pan to valve cover 24". Width 25" from exhaust manifold outlet flange to throttle body intake. Now I need a bell housing from the AR5 :D

Notice the Grand Vitara uses the AW5 and an AR5 (yes a version of the same transmission.) for you Suzuki purists. :flipoff2:

.

-Wayne Which Grand Vitara, the v-6 or the 4cyl 1.6or 2.0l use this tranny??

Which Grand Vitara, the v-6 or the 4cyl 1.6or 2.0l use this tranny??

I don't know.. Check that link I posted, I think it had years. Then my next call would be to Hawk Suzuki up in Oregon to see what they have (Suzuki junk yard).

-Wayne

Got my 2.2l this morning :eek: Measurements Length 27" from front of motor to the power steering pump. Height from pan to valve cover 24". Width 25" from exhaust manifold outlet flange to throttle body intake. Now I need a bell housing from the AR5 :D

Wow, that 27" length is a killer. Can you get some pics with a tape measure across the top? How much would you save getting rid of that pump on the back?

To give you an idea, the engine bay in the stock sheetmetal of a Samurai is only about 28" deep and you need a radiator in there.. At 20" as listed earlier this was sounding like a very interesting swap option. At 27" it is too long for what I had in mind. :(

-Wayne

http://i14.tinypic.com/6b00ztg.jpg If you take the power steering pump off you gain about 2" There is also this thing with the black cap on it that stick out. I believe is has some thing to do with the cooling system. I will get the p/s pump and that cap off to confirm

http://i7.tinypic.com/4ue88wj.jpg Power steering pump off. easy to make a block off plate.http://i4.tinypic.com/4pwi6a1.jpg This is some sort of exhaust ports, it was blocked off though, so you so you could cut it off and tig weld it shut and gain another 2" in back. http://i15.tinypic.com/5z3rvb8.jpghttp://i10.tinypic.com/6bmpjrt.jpg Total length with p/s pump off is 24"

http://i10.tinypic.com/6bmpjrt.jpg Total length with p/s pump off is 24"

This is where the EGR valve goes...

probably not gonna' be able to get rid of it if your staying F.I.

And...it would be sweet to be able to use that TC pump cam driven.

No it's not where the egr goes. It has a flat block off plate on ithttp://i14.tinypic.com/6b00ztg.jpg

No it's not where the egr goes.


Yes...that is where the EGR goes...on some applications...

It has a flat block off plate on

But...my bad for not paying attention to your first pics.:flipoff2:

Some yes :shaking::flipoff2: Anyways, I have also seen a couple pics of ones without this egr setup completely, that would be more of the motor to get if you could determine which ones they are.

Some yes :shaking::flipoff2: Anyways, I have also seen a couple pics of ones without this egr setup completely, that would be more of the motor to get if you could determine which ones they are.

Yep, I would look for a motor without the power steering pump off the cam and no EGR, and anything else that would make the motor shorter.

This motor appears to be far longer then I thought and not a good candidate for fitting into a Samurai. :(

Hmm, maybe the 3.6 Caddy is shorter... Just kidding! :flipoff2: or am I?

Did any one call the guy about doing the wirring for the motor ?




:massey:

so whatz the scoop any one playing with this ?????



:massey:

I have the motor just still trying to come up with a bell housing, my local wrecking yard is not very helpful, but still working on it

I looked the bell houshing on the factory trannys they do not come off! if you know of a tranny that has a bell housing that comes off let me know and i can try to find it for you. or if you want to you can call me 360-888-6169 i got some good info for you :)



:massey:

I sent these guys an email today after finding there site.

http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Old's%20Alero.htm


this will also work with the 700r4 with the V8 bell housing pattern.Man that setup seems rather $$$. you will have 1g in it before getting a trans.

using some of the mesurments in this thread I was going over the zuk and man an ecotec is going to be VERY tight.

Do any of you guys by chance have the engine weight of an ecotec? I can not seem to find it.

Thanks

I am going to bring this thread back to the top as it is a VERY good source for ecotec information with respect to adapters, and the good and bad of the setup. I am about to pickup an entire car with 24k miles on it. It is a '94 with the 2.2L and an automatic. I'm thinking of running the engine and tranny the way it is and building a super light buggy around it.

I didn't seem to catch the gear ratios of the transmission that comes with it. It is coming out of a '94 cavalier. Anyone know that by chance?

Also...........see any issues with using the engine trans together, turned sideways? I figure as long as the first gear is in the 3.5:1 or 4:1 range and the diff inside is at least 4:1, and then I go 5.89's in the axles, it should turn 37's or 39's ok. Hhhmmmmmm..........

Thoughts? I'm sort of thread stealing..........but would help to add more tech on Ecotecs and setups in this thread which has a lot already.

About the only thing I can think of right now would be to watch the rotation direction coming out of the transaxle. This will dictate the direction the motor will need to face. Other then that, I'm not sure what else I can offer you in info.

-Wayne

has any progress been made on this swap?--- i'm really interested---- mase

i dont think they made the ecotecs in 94

this is a swap i would like some more info on my self! anyone know about the t5 to a toy t-case? the many trany would be ok. the rad can be moved in my app, i have added 7" in front of my frame to fit yj springs in a shackle reversed set up . i will also be pulling my front clip so there really is not so much a fit issue for me just want the trans info and a t'c pump option!

i will also be pulling my front clip so there really is not so much a fit issue for me just want the trans info and a t'c pump option!

TC pump? Yuk, go with a P pump and be don with it!

Please keep me posted on this swap.. I still think about doing it in a Samurai.

TC pump? Yuk, go with a P pump and be don with it!

Please keep me posted on this swap.. I still think about doing it in a Samurai.

like Wayne said, P Pumps all the way.

definately an interesting swap. what are the samurai engine dimensions. didn't find that on any of these pages?

P pump ??? the t/c style is what all the hydro sellers are peadling! they can handle the hydro stuff high out put but hey i'm open to other options. can get hold of a hydro boost set up from a chev if that is what your talking about.

i'm thinking of the eco-teck or a subi the subi is very wide so i'm not sure how it would fit!

If you think the Asian trans will work you are in luck, read this thread:
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,60994.0.html
The volvo version has a .688 overdrive and has no computer or wires and has a flanged output, making it adapt to a sami case easily. A friend adapted a tracker T-case to it and I made an adapter to mount a toyota T-case to one that is 1" shorter in length then the stock drivetrain. As far as strength goes, the toyota version of this transmission is used in those toyota campers/box trucks and Supras.
sounds like the r-154 transmission they can be picked up for around $150

[QUOTE=sami-stine;9171029]P pump ??? the t/c style is what all the hydro sellers are peadling! they can handle the hydro stuff high out put but hey i'm open to other options. can get hold of a hydro boost set up from a chev if that is what your talking about.QUOTE]

not neccesarily,

Saginaw TC Pump: Anywhere from 2.4 - 2.8 gpm and 1350-1450 psi (OEM)

Saginaw P Pump:Anywhere from 2.4 - 3.5 gpm and 1100-1450 psi (OEM)

Why P Pump (Canned Ham Style), it's a submerged pump. Because the P pump is submerged, it also tends to be quieter than the other models as the oil damps many of the vibrations. In addition, the P pump has been manufactured since the late sixties and is tried and true. cheap!

TC is fine but usually starts makig noise and in my opinion needs to be setup really good in the cooling department. $$$

so the P pump is like what you find on the older jeeps and ford and chev stuff. has the tear drop shape to it with the cap on top?

those are mostly recognized but there are others that are not submerged (no attached resevoir) but yeah the canned ham type is the one i'd run.

not sure all the makes that run them but most chevy's run um.

sweet i just scored a hydro boost pump from a chev diesel for FREEthem pumps are high out put from the factory. they got to run the steering and the big drums and rotors! i think this should work very well for the toy steering box the saggy box is bigger to so i might over power the box!

I have a conversion plate for sale, from an Ecotech to a GM tranny like a TH350.

PM Me if intersted.

I have a conversion plate for sale, from an Ecotech to a GM tranny like a TH350.

PM Me if intersted.

your PMs are overflowing.

PM me what motor it fits and how much. Thanks!

Just a thought but, if a ecotec will bolt to an R154 it will probably bolt to an R150 or R151. Then you could use toy t-cases or any thing that adapts to those trannys.

Just a thought but, if a ecotec will bolt to an R154 it will probably bolt to an R150 or R151. Then you could use toy t-cases or any thing that adapts to those trannys.

for cheap you can go with the r154 and have a 5.15? first gear keep your sammy case and have a transmission built from the factory to withstand 650whp (even though you'll most likely never make that kind of power)

I'm running a 4.3 but man if I hadn't then I'd definately go this route.

It's nice to see another option for us sammy guys.

keep your sammy case and have a transmission built from the factory to withstand 650whp

:laughing:

Anyone shoe horn one of these things in yet?

bump


Thought it wouldn't hurt to see where people are with this conversion. Who has made it work, what parts did you need, etc...

Thinking about this route in my Willys based buggy....... Ditch the one tons and 39.5 and go to yota axles and 37s

wow..........here locally in N.C the Cobalt motor (top $$ 1000 ......... lowest $600)

would love to do something like this in the future.


Dave

The ecotec came in so many models from saturn to cobalts....Anybody know if there is one better suited then the other. There is a complete ss cobalt motor for sale here local.... Something about a Supercharged 4cycl sound wicked cool.

There are two ecotecs on craigslis,t in Socal if anybody is ready for there swap...

wow..........here locally in N.C the Cobalt motor (top $$ 1000 ......... lowest $600)

would love to do something like this in the future.


Dave

same in Vegas. I talked to a guy who modifies the eco's harness for class 1 lite desert rigs. Said the harnesses are straight forward and sells them for $1300<don't remember exact, but thats close>. I've started collecting parts and information, but don't expect to start an install until 2010. It'll be a basic eco, tb350, Stak 3 speed install.

same in Vegas. I talked to a guy who modifies the eco's harness for class 1 lite desert rigs. Said the harnesses are straight forward and sells them for $1300<don't remember exact, but thats close>. I've started collecting parts and information, but don't expect to start an install until 2010. It'll be a basic eco, tb350, Stak 3 speed install.


so if I am understanding correctly..........the modded harness alone is $1300?

all that would be needed from the donor vehicle would be the motor / harness & ecm right? Any other switches or relays?


Dave

so if I am understanding correctly..........the modded harness alone is $1300?

all that would be needed from the donor vehicle would be the motor / harness & ecm right? Any other switches or relays?


Dave

$1300 was for the harness. Not sure about the rest because thats way ahead of what I'm doing. But when I'm ready, I'll find the schematics and decide if I'm going to mod the harness myself. I've got a strong digital & analog electronics background, so I'm not skerd.

Ive had a chance to look at one of these motors form turn key a buddy of my dad's has one in a airplane .. the only thing I saw that would stop you putting it in a sami would be the fact that the intake sticks out 2 or 3 inchs over the bellhousing so you would have to plumb it into the fire wall ... Not a problem for a tube buggy but a stock engine compartment sami might not work ....... thats just my 2 cents :flipoff2:

Ive had a chance to look at one of these motors form turn key a buddy of my dad's has one in a airplane .. the only thing I saw that would stop you putting it in a sami would be the fact that the intake sticks out 2 or 3 inchs over the bellhousing so you would have to plumb it into the fire wall ... Not a problem for a tube buggy but a stock engine compartment sami might not work ....... thats just my 2 cents :flipoff2:

eh not an issue as you can always build a cold air intake that moves that crap to where you need it!

so has anyone figured out a trans option for this? the guys at turn key build a adaptor to a th350 but there kit is expencive and it a th350! there kit is like $1,350 and has the presure plate, torque conveter and the adaptor! so any one figure out a many trany yet!

There is a jeep tranny that has the same dowel pin location as the eco but the bolt pattern is different. You could just make a .25" adapter plate to bolt it all together. I will ask him next time i see him. He was running a tranny that would bolt rite upto a 300 or atlas if that helps anyone

Chevy has used the same saginaw pump from 1979-2003 and the myth about one tons
being better,not true.It is the same pump if it came off a one ton dually or a 4 cyl.
cavalier,the only difference is the reservoir.

thanks for all the research guys ,good work...
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn294/riceman460/IMG_4888.jpg

ok been looking into this one for a bit now. turn key has a trans kit for then!1 th350 they have a tq converter for it and all the stuff to make it work, $1300, so not bad as you don't have to go find the shit to make it work. and a th 350 is easy to find and a dime a dozen. then the t-case is well what ever you wana run!

for me its a D300 replace a case from stak! turn key also has the brakets for a howe power stering pump! sweet like 140+ hp light and front dig! woo hoo............

Bringing this back ...

Has anyone bolted up one of the Toyota transmissions in the 15X series? I have a R150F sitting around. That would allow me to put Toyota TC's behind it. Sounds like a pretty good setup for someone who wants a five speed and doesn't plan to generate 650 HP. :D

i am interested in this swap as well. has anyone got the shoehorn out and attempted this yet?

Bringing up an old thread, has anyone actually finished an adapter for the V8 chevy transmissions? Keisler doesn't seem to be offering it, that one from transmissionsadapters.com requires their special torque converter with the 200R4 (not sure why, probably something that could be easilyfixed with another tranny) and the T5 bellhousing doesn't look to have a hole for a clutch fork or lines for a hydraulic pilot bearing and they have never emailed me back about it. Also, I am still trying to grasp these engine dimensions, I have seen so many different versions online (and here), I just find it hard to believe this thing is wider than a chevy small block (about 22"). If that's the case, fitting it into most chassis will be a pain.

In the Europe GM developed a 16v 2.0l engine, this was the forerunner of the ecotec (known as the C20XE) There was a head change (& reduction in power) to produce the first engine badged as ecotec, 2nd gen changed block to ally.
Point of this story, I am currently fitting a C20XE to my sammy, standard power is IRO 150hp, basic tuning takes this to 180.
Tim

I have a friend who has this engine in his sandrail. He used the megasquirt, and built his own fuel managment system. He put a turbo from a saab on it & it produces 300 hp!!! He bought an adapter for a vw transaxle & runs 35 " tires on this thing & it is scary fast ! Easily pulls the front wheels in second gear. Oh by the way, he only has $1000 in the whole setup ! I just wonder how much power the sami trans & t case can hold up to ? I'll find out the name of the company that makes the adapter & post later.

anything over aorund 120HP is pushing a sammy trans. TCASE can take more but how much? sidekick trans is an almost requirement and a toy tranny is even better. sandrails get away with small trans due to lots of slipping in the sand and super lightweight.

does anyone make a converison for teh eco tec motors?

You can get a manual tranny out of a saturn sky or a pontiac solstice. Gm performance sell them for 750 bucks brandnew..
I have a 2.0 turbo and a 5 spd out of a solstice sitting in the garage that im wanting to put in my samurai but im not sure what im gonna do for management.. megasquirt for 500.00 or gm standalone for 1500 and its plug and play.. so many options so little time..

Check ebay, i've seen them for a few hundred. And the engines can be picked in the 500 to 700 dollar range..:mr-t:

I did a Ecotec / 700r4 / atlas swap in my ''suzuki'' base buggy. You need a adaptor for the bellhousing. I used the stock power steering pump to drive 2 double end ram for 4 wheel steering and I worked great. For the cooling hoses clearance issu, just bend up the metal hose and a little grindind on the tranny. You will need a custom tork converter. Mine was a corvette 2150 machined to have it bolted to the ecotec flexplate.

a link to the project: http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/OliBuilt/Spider/


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/OliBuilt/Spider/spid009.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/OliBuilt/Spider/spid456013.jpg

anything over aorund 120HP is pushing a sammy trans. TCASE can take more but how much? sidekick trans is an almost requirement and a toy tranny is even better. sandrails get away with small trans due to lots of slipping in the sand and super lightweight.

I had a VW 1.8 gas on a Samurai trans and beat the tar out of that thing and the tranny and t-case did not care at all. Eventually my abusive driving blew a ring off a piston and killed the motor. :D

Anyhow, I think people discount what the Samurai trans is able to handle. I have seen several 4.3 liter swaps that kept the Samurai t-case. I have seen a few turbo and super charged Suzuki motors that were putting out over 120 HP, and also a few VW 1.9 turbo diesels all running through the stock driveline and none of them had problems. (well, diesels will rattle the trans apart over time near an idle.)

If I could easily mate the Ecotec to the Samurai trans, I'd go for that option in a heart beat. Probably upgrade to a hydro clutch though. I hate that cable.

-Wayne

I'm also going to be building a buggy with the Ecotec small light good power, cheap and plentiful.

The Sky/Solstice Bellhousing GM P/N 89060089 Bolts directly up to the AX-15 internal slave. I have them both in hand.
The bell is 1/4" shorter but I figure I can either make a 1/8" spacer on both side if the splines are not long enough. With 1/8" the alignment pins will still reach.
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_0907_gm_ecotec_bolt_ons/photo_04.html
http://image.hotrod.com/f/18935344/hrdp_0907_02_z+GM_ecotec_engine+bolt_ons.jpg

Web wheeling revealed that the 84 Camaro 4cyl clutch Napa P/N RCF4198 is supposed to work 9-1/8" diameter and 10 spline 1-1/8" dia. Summit also sell a centerforce with same dimensions.


To run it I plan on going with the MSD distributor for spark and propane for fuel, should be straight forward and simple.
Level Zero sells intake flanges to make your own intake.
http://www.levelzeromotorsports.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=37&osCsid=ca063fd09034199cf0ae7b4386e519dd
http://www.levelzeromotorsports.com/store/images/10001.JPG

Only thing I will need to do is build a custom power steering pump bracket but there should be plenty of room where the A/C compressor was.

**Does anyone sell a P/S bracket/pulley for the Ecotec?

Does anyone know of any non one off custom built adapters for an Ecotec to a RWD auto like 904 or something jeep related.

If the Sky/solstice bellhousing bolts to an AX15 that also means it will bolt to a turbo or v6 Toyota trans!

Correct but the input shaft lengths are different and require more work.
There is a lot of good information here for swapping Asian Bellhousing bolt pattern transmissions.
No sense in repeating it.

http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/f41/engine-swap-bellhousings-4740/

Correct
There is a lot of good information here for swapping Asian Bellhousing bolt pattern transmissions.
No sense in repeating it.

http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/f41/engine-swap-bellhousings-4740/

Great info.
Sure is good seeing a newbie that knows things and not just talking shiat.:D

Great info.
Sure is good seeing a newbie that knows things and not just talking shiat.:D


Thanks

I've been around a while, I’m on a bunch of other forums hard to keep on tract of them all. Local jeep clubs, rauschcreek, racedezert, ecotec forum, whatever google brings me too and has good Tech.

I try to only write when I feel it is important I hate all the clutter on the forums.
I don’t know much about Suzuki but I’ve been doing a bunch of searching on the Ecotec.

I didn’t see the Ecotec Build Book if any of you are interested
http://www.gmtunersource.com/index.php/racertech/ecotec-build-book

I mostly just read on Pirate this site is a little overwhelming there is so much good information here the search button is my best friend. That’s how I found this thread.

~Justin

I'm also going to be building a buggy with the Ecotec small light good power, cheap and plentiful.

The Sky/Solstice Bellhousing GM P/N 89060089 Bolts directly up to the AX-15 internal slave. I have them both in hand.
The bell is 1/4" shorter but I figure I can either make a 1/8" spacer on both side if the splines are not long enough. With 1/8" the alignment pins will still reach.
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_0907_gm_ecotec_bolt_ons/photo_04.html
http://image.hotrod.com/f/18935344/hrdp_0907_02_z+GM_ecotec_engine+bolt_ons.jpg

Web wheeling revealed that the 84 Camaro 4cyl clutch Napa P/N RCF4198 is supposed to work 9-1/8" diameter and 10 spline 1-1/8" dia. Summit also sell a centerforce with same dimensions.


To run it I plan on going with the MSD distributor for spark and propane for fuel, should be straight forward and simple.
Level Zero sells intake flanges to make your own intake.
http://www.levelzeromotorsports.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=37&osCsid=ca063fd09034199cf0ae7b4386e519dd
http://www.levelzeromotorsports.com/store/images/10001.JPG

Only thing I will need to do is build a custom power steering pump bracket but there should be plenty of room where the A/C compressor was.

**Does anyone sell a P/S bracket/pulley for the Ecotec?

Does anyone know of any non one off custom built adapters for an Ecotec to a RWD auto like 904 or something jeep related.


Good info..
I would also like to know about the 904 tranny adapter if one. Cause I have one built in my garage.

Is this thread dead or not??, I really want to see some pictures of this conversion.

Thanks.

not that up to speed on these motors, but are they in Saturns? I've seen a bunch around here cheap with either the 1.9s or some V6s (1994 - 2000 range)

if you guys would like pics and some measurements of the ecotec pm me - a buddy has a supercharged engine sitting in his shop -

GM Ecotec Book

http://members.shaw.ca/warped00/bcjbody/buildbook.html

Use a transmission out of a Saturn Sky or the Pontiac Solstice. Its the correst bolt pattern for theecotech and almost the same length as the samurai transmission. However the shifter location is a little farther back... The go for 500 to 700 on ebay. You can get a package off ebay for around 3 grand with the ecotech in the 2.0, 2.2 or the 2.4 and you can also get them supercharged or turbocharged.. Its just money and you cant take it with you.

i have one sitting in my wifes car so close to taking it

Use a transmission out of a Saturn Sky or the Pontiac Solstice. Its the correst bolt pattern for theecotech and almost the same length as the samurai transmission. However the shifter location is a little farther back... The go for 500 to 700 on ebay. You can get a package off ebay for around 3 grand with the ecotech in the 2.0, 2.2 or the 2.4 and you can also get them supercharged or turbocharged.. Its just money and you cant take it with you.


there is a guy near me that has dozens of these cars, totaled and whole for sale ...

has motors, trannys ... etc out and in various stages of dissassembly ...

if you use the car tranny what do you do for a transfer?

It has been a while since I have looked at this, Life got in the way :shaking: but here goes. Just received a solstice tranny today. Here is the tale of the tape.http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3200/img2931n.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/img2931n.jpg/)
removable bell housing URL=http://img16.imageshack.us/i/img2933y.jpg/]http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7066/img2933y.jpg[/URL]
shifter location http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3808/img2934f.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/img2934f.jpg/)

New Process 231 transfer case, is been used by ICON in their CJ3B replica with an ecotec 2.4 as engine and the Aisin-Warner AX15 five speed as transmission.

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/featuredvehicles/131_1003_icon_jeep_cj_3b/index.html

Hmm, I'm very intrigued.

will the bellhousing work with an aisin tranny? has anyone done this? I think that would be the setup so you can run yota tcase, maybe even dual marlins if it not to long...

ive been salivating over that icon since that came out. i sure would like to know how they bolted all that up.

Solstice bell housing on Toyota tranny http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/820/img2952800x600.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/img2952800x600.jpg/)
Toy on the right Eco on left http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1165/img2957800x600.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/img2957800x600.jpg/)
3/4 on an inch taller http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6932/img2959800x600.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/img2959800x600.jpg/)

so do you need a longer input shaft to make it work?

Ddog87, the solstice bellhousing did directly bolt up to aisin tranny. any mods needed to bolt it together? i noticed in your sig that you have a 87 yota. are you having any motor fitment issues? do you have full body or are you tubed out? I am curious if you have enough space, cause if you dont then the ecotec motor definitely wont fit in a samurai.

This is just ONE of many projects :shaking: I have an addiction. No mods to make the bell housing bolt on. The solstice input shaft is alot longer I'm looking into this problem next.

This is just ONE of many projects :shaking: I have an addiction. No mods to make the bell housing bolt on. The solstice input shaft is alot longer I'm looking into this problem next.

3/4" spacer between the bell and trans. Problem solved.... well kinda

Whoops i was thinking yota bell on solstice trans

The solstice bell is the deeper one. You would need to make it 3/4 shallower. Maybe shave each side of the bell housing if there is enough material

Solstice on top Chevy Colorado tranny bottom.http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1143/img2994z.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/img2994z.jpg/)
Solstice bell housing on Colorado trannyhttp://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3364/img2996h.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/img2996h.jpg/)
The mark is the Colorado input shaft compared to Solstice. http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6500/img2993b.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/img2993b.jpg/)
the truck tranny has a slip yolk shaft
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8576/img2995ng.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/img2995ng.jpg/)

So is there any advantage using the Chevy Colorado trans other then the forward shifter? Good research!

Could you shorten the Chevy Colorado input that much? would you even need to?

I don't think there is any advantage but the forward shift. Third gear was different between the two trannies but not by much. The price was different the Solstice was $600 while the Colorado was $300, but you need the Solstice bell housing. I will be getting a AX15 tranny to try that next. I have heard the input shaft is longer. Which might solve the bell housing input shaft problem. Then you could bolt the dana 300 and.......:D

I like your thinking bro!

Hi,

Are you planning to build a monster sammi or are you planning to keep it as close to stock looking as possible??.
if you are planning to go with the second option, how are you planning to deal with the exhaust since the ecotecs have the manifold on the right side.

Thanks and good luck on your build

bringin this to the top. Anyone finish this swap yet?

I thought I read that the late model long shaft 4runner r150 had a 7.5" input shaft.
I think the MA5 trans in the solstice also has a 7.5 input shaft.

If that is correct then the solstice bell should be the right length and bolt pattern go directly from an ecotec to the R150.

Ddog87, which toyota trans and year bell was that on page 5?

bump any new updates

Not to try and confuse matters any more, but just found video on youtube about new chevy 1.4 turbo ecotec out of new "cruz" car. Looks like it would be the best fit size wise. Not sure on tranny options or weight, but it does make 138 hp and 148 tq and full tq by 2000 rpm according to video. Im sure the tuners could get an EZ 170+hp out of it. Sorry to add even more options but the truth must be told......:evil:

Not to try and confuse matters any more, but just found video on youtube about new chevy 1.4 turbo ecotec out of new "cruz" car. Looks like it would be the best fit size wise. Not sure on tranny options or weight, but it does make 138 hp and 148 tq and full tq by 2000 rpm according to video. Im sure the tuners could get an EZ 170+hp out of it. Sorry to add even more options but the truth must be told......:evil:

But the truth must be verified... where's the link to the vid?

check it out....YouTube - GM 1.4-liter I4 Engine @ NAIAS 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BWCMXcA4Lk&feature=related)

I just picked up a cruze for a new DD. The info posted above is true.

The turbo 1.4 would be a rip in a Sammie.

However I think this block uses a different bell housing pattern due to a the new non offset transmission. I will get some pics up in the next day or so for you guys.

Is the Toyota input shaft long enough to cut 3/4" off and machine a new pilot bearing shaft on the end?

posibly a solution for wiring http://www.enginewiring.com/services.htm


just a idea of price for 208 bph
2006
Engine
Chevy Cobalt 40k LESS SUPER CHARGER AND MAN 40,000 10-233 $1100 Scotty's Auto Parts - ARAPro USA-IL(Virginia) E-mail 1-800-346-4540 976

did you look into an adaptor plate to use a regular GM trans?

http://www.turnkeyenginesupply.com/Engine.aspx?pid=2&sid=8&eid=23&key=packages

It is for the 2.2L but they do make/have an adaptor to bolt any small block gm pattern V8 trans to it.......I have a local dealer for them in my area and he says you can get the adaptor seperate from the whole turn key package.

does anybody know of anybody who has completed this swap yet? i would love to do this to mine. what engine do the colorado's have in them? seems like it would be nice to score that engine and tranny combo to swap in.

Just found a guy who has a 2wd s-10 that got hit in the rear. I was thinking about getting the truck and putting the motor and trans in my zuki and running the 6.5 case thats in it. Think it will hold? Should be good for my 33's for now and 37's down the road.

Your 6.5s will not live with 37s and an engine with any power.

an option for ecotech motor adapters to chevy trannys.

http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Old's%20Alero.htm

has there been any progress on this

In the Europe GM developed a 16v 2.0l engine, this was the forerunner of the ecotec (known as the C20XE) There was a head change (& reduction in power) to produce the first engine badged as ecotec, 2nd gen changed block to ally.
Point of this story, I am currently fitting a C20XE to my sammy, standard power is IRO 150hp, basic tuning takes this to 180.
Tim

Over here, a few people run its' little brother, the 8V version (C20NE). 115 hp, easily 150 hp with basic tuning, really reliable, dirt cheap, and very nice size, and possible to pass inspection with it. :p
It came in a coupe RWD cars (Omega), trannys can also be found very cheap.

Hello to all... New to the forum :)

I am contemplating of the idea and doing some research on installing a Quad 4 or an Ecotec (depending availability) on a 94 Geo Tracker with a manual tranny. Is not going to be modded. The goal is for a daily driver/commuter and occasional off road/trail/camping trips. All I need to know if anybody mated one of these engines with the original Tracker/Sidekick manual tranny. The original engine is a 1.6 8 Valve with a TBI and with the Quad 4 or Ecotec can still have the same or better MPG and Driveability.

Again, I am not looking for a serious modification just some simple as an engine swap.

Thanks to all in advance :)

i just thought i would add this since the older link was broken.
http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/showthread.php?t=4740

Bump any new updates? Has anybody got 1 of these installed yet?

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people too weak to follow their own dreams will always find a way to discourage others

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what messurments do you guys want. i would love to do this swap. using a sammy trans. i am a engineer for delphi and we have 5 2.2l ecotec right now qand i have one trans out of a sammy i could measure. a 200r4 adapter would be cool to. let me know i would buy one right away.

A Samurai tranny has a hard time keeping up with a 1.6 swap, I don't see it living very long with a Ecotec in front of it.

A Samurai tranny has a hard time keeping up with a 1.6 swap, I don't see it living very long with a Ecotec in front of it.

i understand that but at the same time people still do the swap. its just a cheaper route for many to turn. not everyone can locate or afford a toy trans or track/kick or even a gm auto. but i do agree with your point.

here are some specs on the ecotec guys. first is the cobalt ss roots motor the can be found in the 2004-2007 saturn ion redline and the 2005-2007cobalt ss supercharged coupe

The LSJ is a supercharged version of the LK9 Ecotec with an Eaton M62 Roots-type supercharger and air-to-liquid intercooler. It is rated at 205 hp (153 kW) at 5600 rpm and 200 lb·ft (271 N·m) at 4400 rpm with a compression ratio of 9.5:1 and a 6500 rpm redline. With the end of the Chevy Cobalt S/C SS and Saturn Ion Red Line, the LSJ was discontinued after 2007


this is just the basic 2.2l ecotec engine below the sammy tran can deffenatly hold to this one.

Displacement for the 2.2 L engine is 2,196 cc (134.0 cu in) with an 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and 94.6 millimetres (3.72 in) stroke. Compression is 10:1, delivering 135 to 147 hp (101 to 110 kW) and 142 to 152 lb·ft (193 to 206 N·m) of torque. The Ecotec line is manufactured in Tonawanda, New York and Kaiserslautern, Germany, and was also manufactured for Saturn in Spring Hill, Tennessee until Saturn's discontinuation. The L61-powered Saturn Ion replaced the Saturn-powered Saturn S-Series.

There are a few variations to the standard L61. The new Chevrolet Malibu uses a version with electronic throttle control and a special unitized exhaust manifold and catalytic converter. The 2003 Saturn L-Series has a high output version with higher (10:1) compression and more aggressive camshaft. The Malibu and Saturn versions also use return-less fuel injection. The 2002 Saturn VUE was the first North American variant of the L61 to be equipped with electronic throttle control, whereas other applications did not arise until 2005 in the Saturn ION and Chevrolet Cobalt. The supercharger and inlet manifold from the 2.0 Ecotec engine can be purchased as an official kit from GM and along with modified software in the ECM, can create a 2.2 supercharged version of this engine.

On engines produced before 2007, spark was produced via 2 coils in a cassette that bolted to the top of the valve cover which contained the boots for each spark plug on the bottom of it, eliminating the need for wires. In 2007 the L61 was upgraded with a new Gen II engine block, cylinder head improvements, new camshaft design, E37 engine control module, 58X crankshaft reluctor ring, digital crank and cam sensors, individual coil-on-plug ignition, vented starter solenoid, new MAP sensor, new intake manifold seals, new oil filter element, a 32-bit computer, and improved emissions performance.

hope this helps

IMHO
The Samurai sock transmission is getting to the age where almost all of them have a whine when short shifted lugged down, or under a load, however their longevity and durability has never been in question.

I have heard of transfer cases, drive shafts and differentials being blown, but never a transmission due to horsepower.

If anyone knows of a stock samurai transmission failing due to horsepower or torque, post up up what happened and why. I would like to know the limit of these things.

FWIW
The autos and 5 speeds out of the kick appear to be plenty robust for a horsepower upgrade and there are allot of them out there, especially after the all the 1.6 transplants.

I would rather run a track kick transmission than a stocker but I don't see them being a weak link. I'm sure it would hold up until a suitable upgrade was found.

I have an supercharged ecotech,I want to put a turbo 350 behind it. Can anyone tell me were I can purchase an adapter and torque converter. any help would be great.. Thanks:)

ecotec: covers 2.2l/2.4l/2.0 ss and reline
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc460/sniperperformance/1987%20Suzuki%20Samurai/ecotechdimensions.jpg

GM bellhouseing: covers 200r4/700r4/th350/th400/4l60e/4l80e.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc460/sniperperformance/1987%20Suzuki%20Samurai/bellhousingproject12.jpg

I have an supercharged ecotech,I want to put a turbo 350 behind it. Can anyone tell me were I can purchase an adapter and torque converter. any help would be great.. Thanks:)

check these guys out. the 2.0 cobalt motor has the same bellhousing as the 2.2l l61 or the 2.4. you can click on the pricing link and go half way down the page and you will find the kit. it comes with the plate and a custom 200r4 stahl converter for $895. you may want to call and ask about a th350 tran. also look up quads4rods

http://transmissionadapters.com/index.htm

i am currently starting the prosess of a ecotec 2.2 L-61 with a 200r4 and samurai t-case. my rig has now fenders or core support so it wont be a build thread for everyone. im currently waiting to buy or have a adapter built. would like to find one cheaper than $895. im also converting it to propane injection.

hey thanks..

I would love to put on the cobalt SS motors in a zuk. what a great little motor for this type of truck. All AL. with a roots style blower, mmm bottom end TQ here we come. hell even the NA ss 2.4 ecotec motor makes 174/15x that would be great as well.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f25/bpipe95/cobaltss07_engine1600.jpg
2.0L/205-hp supercharged I-4, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl

Done!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/261429_2132338903666_1101832666_32544925_3537682_n .jpg

It's been 2 years since I started my 2.0 LSJ, TH350, Dana20, Toy Axle swap and today, yes TODAY, was it's first time on dirt. Still a few bugs to work out but she should be super sweet on the rocks, through the dunes, and even to work. I have a ton of pics if your looking for anything in particular.

This was earlier this year:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/269627_2123277477136_1101832666_32532282_6642006_n .jpg

And this was today:
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Did any one call the guy about doing the wirring for the motor ?




:massey:

Tom @ Enginewiring.com hooked me up good. Super clean, always helpful when I needed him.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/183266_1809755679287_1101832666_32159813_6025703_n .jpg

same in Vegas. I talked to a guy who modifies the eco's harness for class 1 lite desert rigs. Said the harnesses are straight forward and sells them for $1300<don't remember exact, but thats close>. I've started collecting parts and information, but don't expect to start an install until 2010. It'll be a basic eco, tb350, Stak 3 speed install.


$1300.00 Whaaaa?!?!? Enginewiring.com charged me $525 with shipping, it was a 9 wire hook up and it ran.

$1300.00 Whaaaa?!?!? Enginewiring.com charged me $525 with shipping, it was a 9 wire hook up and it ran.

$525 is stupid cheap.
So the wiring worked with the stock gauges and its wiring?

I ran all aftermarket gauges. Super easy, every wire was labeled, relays were pre-wired. Soldered and heat shrunk the 9 wires, turned the key and it ran. I would recommend Tom @ EngineWiring.com any day. His web page has alot of info on ecotecs. My LSJ was his first 2.0 he had done. But he said he's done a hundred 2.2 & 2.4's, and it was "just as easy". He called me for the Rev limit & the cooling fan on temps, and I even have 2 more HP Tuner credits if I ever want to put her on the dyno. As for now I'm going to stick to a stock tune until I can dial the suspension.

Cheapo Jegs gauges:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200725_1838263191957_1101832666_32208193_5807642_n .jpg

That came out great! Do you mind taking a close up
pic of the stock dash cluster with the aftermarket gauges in it?
I would like mIne to turn out like yours.

I have since added an oil pressure idiot light below the check engine light too.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379138_2809300467282_1101832666_33075098_174656278 4_n.jpg

$1300.00 Whaaaa?!?!? Enginewiring.com charged me $525 with shipping, it was a 9 wire hook up and it ran.

lol, sure the prices of many things have changed other the last couple of years. After messing with my lexus sc400 wiring, not sure I'd pay anyone to mod the harness if I change to different motor. Still got the eco-2-tb350 adapter plate hanging in the garage, looks cool for a wall hanger.:homer:

How about a walk around youtube video of the motor?

I'll post an older one from 2-3 weeks ago up later tonight when I get wifi.

http://youtu.be/YukoIdI_3ZA

Nicely done, looks like it's tucked in there pretty good.

That's rad :D

Thank's BC. I'm super stoked to get her hard on a trail. T-case shifter, floor patch, and Subi master cylinder and she's golden. Can't wait to post a youtube!

I have finally got the eco-tech adapter from Bendtsens,they also did the torque converter for 900.00. I am pretty happy with that. next we are doing a 700r4 then a mini stak.. I will get some pics up soon. oh, the wiring harness was done by,Engine wiring.com they charged 325.00, he said he could do the computer, but he suggested that I use Trifecta Performance. He said they have a way good product..so, thats were we are at. I will get some pics up later...oh one more thing. PSC has the adapter for the power steering pump, pretty cheap.

quad4rods has a couple of options

1-bell housing for ecotec to gm t5

http://quad4rods.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=29&category_id=4&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100041

2- ecotec to gm 200r4 adapter

http://quad4rods.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=46&category_id=4&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100041