I am still a newbie, but I am the newbie formerly known as "LandyGirl78".

Anyway, ordered RTE 2in suspension lift and 2in body lift, 33in dunlop mud rovers, QT sliders front and rear and a few other small items.

I just needed to get this excitement off my chest because it's hard to do at the "other" BB for fear of getting bashed for going too big or getting what I don't need. FAWK THAT! :mad: :flipoff2:

Gonna do more upgrading underneath as time goes on, but it'll take a while, but hopefully I'll build up to some 35's in due time.

ANYONE GOT ANY TIPS OR TRICKS?

I will be installing hopefully this Sunday, so any info would be greatly appreciated!

~jo :beer:

Originally posted by Roversaurus Rex


I'll build up to some 35's in due time.

~jo :beer:

Do not dump a ton of money into your rover axles! For what you will spend on upgrades for the wimpy junk, you can get some real beef. You will have peace of mind on the trail and less spare parts to lug around!

Originally posted by Old Scout


Do not dump a ton of money into your rover axles! For what you will spend on upgrades for the wimpy junk, you can get some real beef. You will have peace of mind on the trail and less spare parts to lug around!

yup, chevy 8lug dana 44 front narrowed to 62" and redrilled to 5x6.5, salisbury rear with jack man 35 spline conversion kit.

Originally posted by 9-Volt


yup, chevy 8lug dana 44 front narrowed to 62" and redrilled to 5x6.5, rear with jack man 35 spline conversion kit.

No reason spending the $ to cut one down, just get a scout or waggy one:flipoff2: The only difference would be the thickness of the tubes and a Heavy ass Scout has a tuff time bending one so a rover would stand little chance of it.

Salisbury shamslbry just get a domestic Van D60 and make the mods.

Originally posted by Old Scout
Salisbury shamslbry just get a domestic Van D60 and make the mods.

i say salisbury because you can pick them up for like $250, then you put in the $500 35spline kit and you have a bulletproof $750 axle that sbolts in and still has the rover pattern and is the correct width.

lets figure this now:
Junkyard van 60- $100
narrow housing to 62"- $150
convert 30 spline to 35 spline- $500
redrill to 5x6.5- $35
make all brackets for rover axle- $50
total- $835

so you spend $85 more, and have the same strength axle but with a LOT more work and time into it, and these costs were assuming that you did most of the work like welding the brackets to the axle.

btw, i am going salisbury because my friend makes disk brake conversion stuff and i could get disks on it for cheap :D

Originally posted by 9-Volt


convert 30 spline to 35 spline- $500


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Yea right it's more like 250-300. 30 spline is just fine for any motor under 300HP!

Joanna, congrats on your mods. Sonce you have that fancy red star next to your name, you had better show us some pics when you're done. Damn, female and wanting 35's, where were you 12 years ago (when I was getting married)? Uh oh, I'm showing my age. I may not want to know where you were 12 years ago.:D

Originally posted by Old Scout


Yea right it's more like 250-300. 30 spline is just fine for any motor under 300HP!

yeah but i was comparing a 35 spliner to a 35 spliner. and even then, i prefer sals for MOST apps just because there is no time involved getting it to fit right, it bolts in :smokin:

leaves me more time to work on the frontend :D

My tip is to get some sliders ASAP. Then bumpers, starting with the rear with one that will protect you quarter panels, then the front. Otherwise, you will be spending money fixing body damage instead of on parts.

Oh yeah, before you get the bumpers, remove the front spoiler and cut down the endcaps. You may also was to remove the rear endcaps and just sell them. You will probably just rip them off all the time, anyway.

Tom

My tip is to try not to do everything all at once.

You'll run out of energy and possibly $$$$.

You're starting out right though with the simple things that will help a lot.

IMO, you shouldn't try to go larger than 33's for a LOOOONG time because once you start down that road you might as well buy a welder and set up your own fabrication shop due to the amount of custom work that'll have to be done.

I agree that you should be showing us lots and lots and lots of pics of your truck too!

Welcome, good luck and kick some rovergirl a$$.

Later,

Michael

PS Whatever you do don't tell the guys at the other BBS what you're doing. That was good thinking!

Originally posted by Serious One


PS Whatever you do don't tell the guys at the other BBS what you're doing. That was good thinking!

Most of them just Lurk here !

Originally posted by RVR OVR
My tip is to get some sliders ASAP. Then bumpers, starting with the rear with one that will protect you quarter panels, then the front. Otherwise, you will be spending money fixing body damage instead of on parts.

Oh yeah, before you get the bumpers, remove the front spoiler and cut down the endcaps. You may also was to remove the rear endcaps and just sell them. You will probably just rip them off all the time, anyway.

Tom

Way ahead of you Tom...air dam is long gone, endcaps are trimmed, except for rear, and I already gained the extra 5HP that comes with it....;)

Gotta be careful how fast I go on the beltway for fear of flipping up and back ! :rolleyes:

Cool,

Feel free to check out our club if you want to get some wheeling in.

www.roversclub.com

Few rovergirls in the club to hang out with.

Also as far as tips, I hope you have some help. Springs are a PITA if you are by yourself. I think in one of the old issues of our newletter my write up on spring install (aka cheap bastard springs) is on the roversclub website.

Hope you got extended brake lines :)

Ron

Originally posted by Greg Davis
Joanna, congrats on your mods. Sonce you have that fancy red star next to your name, you had better show us some pics when you're done. Damn, female and wanting 35's, where were you 12 years ago (when I was getting married)? Uh oh, I'm showing my age. I may not want to know where you were 12 years ago.:D

since she's in college park i would guess that 12 years ago she would have gotten you some SERIOUS jailtime. As far as the rover axle stuff, we all know the rover axles are crap but swapping in some D44s is not the answer for everyone. Unless you're planing on doing some serious wheeling and don't care about ever reselling the truck it's probably not for you. Besides, the rover axles should hold up to the 33s fine.

-Steve

Originally posted by offroadr35


Besides, the rover axles should hold up to the 33s fine.

-Steve

You better share cuz it sounds like you found a good stash!:smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

I broke several with 31s, well not even 31s... 245/75/R16. I agree and say do the rockerguards first and then the other stuff. I would even go as far to say modify your LT230 T-case (low range gears or crawler unit) and not even buy an R&P for your axles. I hate to see people throw perfectly good money at rover axles. If you are set with rover axles do a Sals in the rear and the stonger rover front axle. Forward control isn't it? Never paid much attention as I am a Dana axle fan.

Way

Looks like we are the subject of "we did this before you did this" nani nani boo boo crap. OS check it out, Kyle is throwing you under the bus again!

You know the site...follow this thread "Posts on Pirates about eXtreeeeme Discoshit"

Johnathan

wow, now they are talking about american V8's, D70's and all kinds of good stuff on the 'other' site.

It's refreshing to poke in there from time to time, but it always reminds me why 'there's no place like home'.

Now get out there and kick some pirate A$$.

Michael

thank goodness, finally a LR board that deals with the real issues of LR build ups, unlike that other board with all the stockers.

:) just kidding

Kyle is just a big teddy bear (aren't you Kyle) and gets a little bit of perverse pleasure out of yanking your chain. I've seen him in action and he really does know his stuff (of course he doesn't need me to defend him). :trooper:

Anyway... it appears there are several people that are doing similar mods to their trucks that I am doing (or have done) and I've seen a few intersting and helpful comments already posted.

I would agree with Michael (Serious One) that don't be in to big a hurry to go to 35's. It starts getting a bit expensive, expecially with Land Rover.

I'm just now putting my truck back together and it's going to be interesting to see how it works in the hard stuff.

Here's a short list of the mods currently on my '90 RR:

35" MTR's on Allied bead lockers
GBR shafts
GBR 4.75 r&p
Detroit rear, ARB front
5" spring lift, 2" body lift
Rovertym radius and trailing arms, drag link and cross track bar
homebuilt sliders and working on front and rear bumpers

One thing not on the list that I need to address real soon is the driveshafts. I haven't had the chance to measure the current angles on stock shafts (actually half angle) to see how bad I'm loading them up.

I'm interested what others may be doing for this.

Now the question is should I go post this on the other board?
:p

Ron A

should I go post this on the other board?

well... you COULD go and ask em what they think of your fine-looking ten-splines sitting up front spinnin' those big jeep tires!

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

hey - do you actually have the wheels now?

/later

There is some good advice above for you, but here is a little more (maybe dissenting).

Body protection is the single best thing to do at first. Then a reasonable lift, then larger tires, then driveline mods (lockers and gears and such).

I disagree with Adam about the driveline. While his D44 front conversion is totally badass. The time committment, engineering, welding, fabricating, etc that is involved is beyond the scope of most wheelers. It is much "easier" to modify the existing drivelines for the average 4x4 enthusiast. I agree that there are limitations in sticking with the LR axle assemblies. And the rear Sals. conversion is prolly a good idea (although I am not sure about the clearances under a Disco).

I used the stock front axles and cv's for about 3 years (running 35's, lockers, and 4.1 gears) with good results. They both ended up failing within days of each other (I suspect a fatigue related failure, and not a strength issue). I have also twisted and broken rear axles (the rears are too weak for 35's, so upgrade is manditory there). But I know of many folks running stock axles, 33's and lockers with good results. It all depends on your driving style, tranny type (auto being easier on the drivetrain), and of course Murphy's law.

Anyway, just another opinion on the subject,

Blister

ps. To the guy with the Detroit rear diff in the Rangie - make sure you pull the rear axles occasionally and check for twist. If you have a rear axle failure with the Detroit, you will almost certainly grenade the innards (some estimates are around 75% of the time with a single axle break).

I don't really see what one gains in putting a salisbury in the rear since the axle shafts are the same size I think. We don't seem to see many ring and pinion failures especially with the better GBR products on the rover axle so is there a real benefit to putting a salisbury in? A true D60 yeah there's a definite gain.

Originally posted by Fear Factory
I don't really see what one gains in putting a salisbury in the rear since the axle shafts are the same size I think. We don't seem to see many ring and pinion failures especially with the better GBR products on the rover axle so is there a real benefit to putting a salisbury in? A true D60 yeah there's a definite gain.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
sure.. no R&P failures... :laughing: :laughing:
I've got a couple 4.11 sets I'll sell you cheap! Only a few teeth missing! Sorta like your typical backwoods county fair! :flipoff2:

Salisbury would be great and you'll gain strength in the R&P. I haven't been breaking the GBR 24 spline shafts, so the mondo 35 spline set-up is likely overkill unless you're Rockrover.

Salisbury -vs- D60? yeah, there are small differences, but they're still basically the same axle. If you can get the strength in the axle with a good R&P and alloy shafts, why worry about what other people think of what it is called?


-John

Oh yeah I forgot about you! :D Forget everything I said earlier. :emb4:

We'll see how long the new treated GBR R&P last in my rig. To be fair, the first set lasted about 2 years even though they weren't set up quite right. (Crappy Maryland speed shop) The second one spit it's teeth in Las Cruces where I was basically standing it on the rear end up a ledge and gave it a bit too much go pedal and started it bouncing. I'm waiting on the newer treated set to arrive so I can put those in. If I break them too, I'll probably have to swap in a salisbury. I'd love to do a set-up similar to Rockrover but with mog axles someday though.


-John