I know the rear axle on a Cherokee is a Dana35, but what did they use in the Grand Cherokee?

Was it still the D35, or did they switch to
the D44?

thanks, I'm mainly a ford guy and Jeeps are a whole other thing...

AllanD

A buddy once told me that the foreign ZJs ahve D44 front and rear but this is what I know is true:

yes ZJs have one but it's a custom D44. The center is aluminum case, not iron. Since it's a different axle it has problems with noise, reliability, and you can't do much with it as far as upgrades and stuff. Since it's aluminum my buddy doenst like to use a jack on the diff.

Originally posted by IndianaBlake
A buddy once told me that the foreign ZJs ahve D44 front and rear but this is what I know is true:

yes ZJs have one but it's a custom D44. The center is aluminum case, not iron. Since it's a different axle it has problems with noise, reliability, and you can't do much with it as far as upgrades and stuff. Since it's aluminum my buddy doenst like to use a jack on the diff.

I thought it was WJs that have the aluminum center D44.

:confused:

Nah, take a look under the 5.9 ZJ. I don't know how many other models came with them though. Bottom line...keep looking for something else to swap :D

Cherokee's came with the D35 OR the 8.25. In 97 I believe the 8.25 went to 29 spline over 27. The Grand Cherokee also came with the D35 OR the D44. I don't know what years had what rearend because everytime I see someone post about "well, they didn't have 8.25s before 95 (or something like that)" and then to replies later you "well my 93 has an 8.25".

If you want to upgrade your axle in the Cherokee, swap in an 8.8 from an Explorer w/discs and same lug pattern, or an early Bronco 9".

Ken

The ZJs used a non c-cliped Dana 35 with Trac-Lok (junk). The ZJ Aluminum 44 was used in the 5.9s as well as some of the limited 5.2s. The XJ 35 is a c-clippped axle. The new WJs run a full iron rear Dana 44. In '91, XJs we're then equpped with the 27 splined 8.25s as well as the open style cooling system. Then, in '96, the 8.25s were upgraded to the stronger 29 splined shafts. These also run Trac-Lok. Some XJs, '87-'88 models, were available with a rear Dana 44 (some had Track-Lok, some didn't) as a part of the tow package. These 44s are pretty hard to find, but are a direct bolt-in and very strong.

8.8s are a great axle swap, but some bracket modification will have to be done, as well as e-brake cables. Nothing too difficult, M.O.R.E sells a complete kit. You'll want to find a '95 or newer 8.8 out of an Exploder. These ran 31 splined shafts, 4.10 gears and disc brakes. They measure 59.75" disc to disc, compared to our XJ 35c with is 60.5" drum to drum. Some 8.8s ran 3.73 gears and Trac-Lok. The only thing is that the 8.8 is still a c-clipped axle, but the disc brakes will retain the shafts if they were to break, so no worries.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know the exact years that the changes were made. :beer: :beer:

Originally posted by JS-Economos
The ZJs used a non c-cliped Dana 35 with Trac-Lok (junk). The ZJ Aluminum 44 was used in the 5.9s as well as some of the limited 5.2s. The XJ 35 is a c-clippped axle. The new WJs run a full iron rear Dana 44. In '91, XJs we're then equpped with the 27 splined 8.25s as well as the open style cooling system. Then, in '96, the 8.25s were upgraded to the stronger 29 splined shafts. These also run Trac-Lok. Some XJs, '87-'88 models, were available with a rear Dana 44 (some had Track-Lok, some didn't) as a part of the tow package. These 44s are pretty hard to find, but are a direct bolt-in and very strong.

8.8s are a great axle swap, but some bracket modification will have to be done, as well as e-brake cables. Nothing too difficult, M.O.R.E sells a complete kit. You'll want to find a '95 or newer 8.8 out of an Exploder. These ran 31 splined shafts, 4.10 gears and disc brakes. They measure 59.75" disc to disc, compared to our XJ 35c with is 60.5" drum to drum. Some 8.8s ran 3.73 gears and Trac-Lok. The only thing is that the 8.8 is still a c-clipped axle, but the disc brakes will retain the shafts if they were to break, so no worries.

Wow. Good post Newbie! ( :flipoff2: )

Well, shows how much I know about ZJs and WJs. ;) :D

Hmmm....well here goes another newby post.

XJ - don't know much except you could get a 8.25, Iron 44 or Dana 35 depending on year/options.

ZJ - '93-'95: All came with the C-Clipped Dana 35 (there has never been a non-clipped version in the Grand's to my knowledge. I-6's came with 3.55 for non-tow package, 3.73's for tow package. V-8's had 3.73's. Laredo's with Drum Brakes, Limiteds with discs.

ZJ - '96-'98: All I-6 equipped ZJ's came with the C-clipped Dana 35 (3.55 for non-tow package equipped, 3.73 for tow package). V-8 equipped Grands (both 5.2 and 5.9L) came with the Aluminum 44, 3.73 gearing. All grands (both limited and laredo came with rear discs in these years).

WJ - '99-'02: (not 100% sure on this - but will learn soon enough as we just picked up '02 overland) I-6 equipped came with C-Clipped 35's (unless you got quadra drive, in which case you got the alum 44). All v-8's came with the alum 44.

Well that is the newbies $0.02 - only worth about $0.005 around here :flipoff2: Well, I'm back to lurking until the next ZJ topic arises.....

EDIT: There has never been an Iron 44 in either the ZJ or WJ for North American models. I have heard different(but never seen proof for South American models).

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama


Wow. Good post Newbie! ( :flipoff2: )

Impressive eh? BTW, I was just guessing...:smokin: :p :flipoff2:

Hey Shane, here are a few shot of my bumper. Can't remember if I showed you or not.

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=Economos&album_id=78292&image_id=6&show=image&param=20301

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=Economos&album_id=78292&image_id=9&show=image&param=74616

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=Economos&album_id=78292&image_id=10&show=image&param=99821

Ok, I'm done. :beer:

Originally posted by ncl
Hmmm....well here goes another newby post.

XJ - don't know much except you could get a 8.25, Iron 44 or Dana 35 depending on year/options.

ZJ - '93-'95: All came with the C-Clipped Dana 35 (there has never been a non-clipped version in the Grand's to my knowledge. I-6's came with 3.55 for non-tow package, 3.73's for tow package. V-8's had 3.73's. Laredo's with Drum Brakes, Limiteds with discs.

ZJ - '96-'98: All I-6 equipped ZJ's came with the C-clipped Dana 35 (3.55 for non-tow package equipped, 3.73 for tow package). V-8 equipped Grands (both 5.2 and 5.9L) came with the Aluminum 44, 3.73 gearing. All grands (both limited and laredo came with rear discs in these years).

WJ - '99-'02: (not 100% sure on this - but will learn soon enough as we just picked up '02 overland) I-6 equipped came with C-Clipped 35's (unless you got quadra drive, in which case you got the alum 44). All v-8's came with the alum 44.

Well that is the newbies $0.02 - only worth about $0.005 around here :flipoff2: Well, I'm back to lurking until the next ZJ topic arises.....

EDIT: There has never been an Iron 44 in either the ZJ or WJ for North American models. I have heard different(but never seen proof for South American models).

'93-'95 ZJ Laredo's came with non c-clipped 35s and some ran trash-lok.

5.9s and other Limiteds run the aluminum 44 rear.

And yes the WJs run iron 44s, my pops has an '02 and believe me, I've crawled all under that thing. Dunno if they even run 35s in the rear. ( :question: )

Originally posted by JS-Economos
The ZJs used a non c-cliped Dana 35 with Trac-Lok (junk). The ZJ Aluminum 44 was used in the 5.9s as well as some of the limited 5.2s. The XJ 35 is a c-clippped axle. The new WJs run a full iron rear Dana 44. In '91, XJs we're then equpped with the 27 splined 8.25s as well as the open style cooling system. Then, in '96, the 8.25s were upgraded to the stronger 29 splined shafts. These also run Trac-Lok. Some XJs, '87-'88 models, were available with a rear Dana 44 (some had Track-Lok, some didn't) as a part of the tow package. These 44s are pretty hard to find, but are a direct bolt-in and very strong.

it should be noted, earlier XJ D35s were not c clipped.
~John

Well, I'm gonna have to disagree on the non c-clipped in '93-'95 ZJ's. I have a '94 ZJ (laredo) - I've spent plenty of time pulling those damn little c-clips to remove shafts (broken or otherwise). That's the reason I'm putting a Iron 44 out of a XJ in the rear (I know not near large enough for you, the Pirate lunatics - but plenty good for me right now).

You're naming ZJ axles based upon limted or laredo. This made no difference (except in the '93-'95 the limited got disc rear brakes). The axle used is based on the power plant.
* '93-'95 ZJ's ALL had the d35 c-clipped axle
* '96-98 ZJ's with the 4.0L had the d35 c-clipped axle
* '96-'98 ZJ's with the V-8 (either 5.2L or 5.9L) had the alum 44.
Trash lock was an option in all years/axles.

I won't dispute your WJ axle knowledge as I have no personal knowledge of these.

On the ZJ side I have spent more time than I care to remember under these beasts.......I'll stand behing the information I posted regarding ZJ axles 100% (other than the gear ratios, as I have seen slight deviation on the rare instace). You prove me differnt and I'll buy the :beer: :)

That's my story and I'm stickin to it.....:flipoff2:

:rolleyes:35s and 44s are tire sizes axles start at 60S:flipoff2:

Jakesteramamalama dont be complimenting the newbies they might get big heads.Besides its about time one of them contributed.:flipoff2:

Trailhawg:fj:

Originally posted by GPN Family
:rolleyes:35s and 44s are tire sizes axles start at 60S:flipoff2:

:rolleyes: Yeah yeah, you're sooooo hard-POR aren't ya.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by GPN Family
Jakesteramamalama dont be complimenting the newbies they might get big heads.Besides its about time one of them contributed.:flipoff2:

Glad I could be of some assistance... fawkers.:p :D :flipoff2:

JS, now I know who to go to when I need axle info!

Originally posted by SOCALXJ
JS, now I know who to go to when I need axle info!

:flipoff2: You don't need my $.02 with that 8.8 slung under your rig Dave.:D

Well FWIW the ZJ I'm looking at is in a salvage yrd and everything forward of the front seat tracks has been sawed off.

this particular ZJ is a Limited and it has a "small looking" Iron cased rear axle. It also has 5.2 V8 Badges.

I have no clue what year it is.

It IS a limited slip and I wanted to put the carrier into
the D35 Front diff of a Ranger....

AllanD

Never mind, I started pulling the limited slip and discovered that the unit is trashed, the impact of the collision that the ZJ was in broke it.

AllanD

JohnBuuu:

Didn't I see your 44 for sale? Why don't you mention it here. $1200 is a good price for it. Ooops nevermind that was jeff in wisc.

http://www.naxja.org/bbs/classifieds.cgi?read=2799

'87 xj d44 rear axle equipped with 4.56 gears, ARB differential, Moser axle shafts and custom disk brakes. I have over $2000 invested in this thing. Some of the costs were:
Housing - $150
ARB - $579
Spicer 4.56 gears - $162
Install kit - $93
Timken Axle Bearings - $45
Axle Seals - $20
Moser axle shafts - $300
Moser going over housing - $50
Custom Disk Brake expenses - $325
Gear install - $250



all this for $1200 ready to bolt in. A very good deal and jeff is a good guy.

SeanP