If you have not already done so, please do. This is very important!!!


Go to www.preserveourtrails.com and take 30 seconds to fill this online petition out to save our National Forests!


Thanks guys! Spread this to every forum you know!


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AS important as it is to send in letters,

What does this have to do with fordyce that sits in Tahoe National forest.

AS important as it is to send in letters,

What does this have to do with fordyce that sits in Tahoe National forest.

Because it is a chain reaction as any trails start to get closed. Unfortunately not as many people visit the Land Use Forum as they should. It is obvious you are aware that we need to make a stand and the fact that anyone posted up and visited the site posted proves that Ryan's efforts are not in vein. Maybe these people just did not get Lance's email?

JW

AS important as it is to send in letters,

What does this have to do with fordyce that sits in Tahoe National forest.

Steve, it has everything to do with it! Guess who is going to be the first person to post the Tahoe letter crap in the Rubicon and every other Forum?

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done awhile ago and will not let do it twice
thanks for the hard work guys

Because it is a chain reaction as any trails start to get closed. Unfortunately not as many people visit the Land Use Forum as they should. It is obvious you are aware that we need to make a stand and the fact that anyone posted up and visited the site posted proves that Ryan's efforts are not in vein. Maybe these people just did not get Lance's email?

JW


I agree and I disagree, AS important as it is to get the word out there has to be some awareness to over saturation. What happens if we are constantly pinging everyone to send in letters, but they are unaware that it the fordyce trail does not fall into the EDIS plan. Then all of a sudden(not everyone knows its happening in all forests) we start asking them to help save the Fordyce trail? 90% of the people will ignore it because they figure they have already sent in letters thinking that the EDIS and the Fordyce trail fall under the same plan.

Getting the word out is important, I am not saying it isn't, But a clear distinction between what trails fall under the EDIS and what trails don't is as equally important. By posting in the Fordyce creek forum, you are giving the impression that the EDIS affects the fordyce trail, which is doesnt.

Ya, that is a good point. I guess we (any of us) could have clarified that for the people that are viewing this forum.

"Although this is not a specific request to help the Fordyce trail, please help save the existing routes in the neighboring ENF because we want to give the TNF FS a good example of what they can NOT get away with by creating a huge opposition in the ENF during their DEIS process"

It is tough to not do everything you can get away with to try and spread the word. And I don't think Ryan was asking people to write letters, just sign to sign a petition.

JW

It is true the DEIS for the Eldorado does not directly effect the Fordyce trail, but the surrounding area to Fordyce may soon be affected by the Tahoe National Forest's own DEIS. The actual "Fordyce Trail" is not to be "touched" during this process - that is what we have been told through out this whole process. Well....

If we look at the Eldorado and their seasonal closures, and the Tahoe follows suit - what happens then? Plus there is a lot of area near the Fordyce trail that is currently being used(not during this fire season) in association with the Fordyce trail - that is not an "official" trail and thus is at risk during this process.

We will see a lot of cross posting between what seems to be unrelated threads in the future, this in an effort to get people involved. So far the Eldorado is the main subject line in the Land Use forum - it is the first forest in California. Everybodys attention is on the Eldorado; the user public, other forest services, environmentalist, etc. - perhaps too much attention.

As far as keeping things straight, I am in complete agreement. I am involved with the Tahoe and becoming more so with the Eldorado, but it is confusing. I wish posters would be more explicit on what area they are talking about, such as using TNF & ENF, etc.. We may desire separate sub-forums for the different forests, just to keep things clear. The forests are different.

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Eldo's DEIS is ahead of the game. It is the very first one to go down becuase of a court order. In every single one of the phone meetings in the past year, other forest sups were listening in and watching what is happening and carefully monitoring the public response and input.

We want them to say "Oh SH**!!, maybe we should not cut as much as they did in ELDO! I do not want to get SLAMMED with thousands of public comments!"

The FS must read and react to EVERY single one of the comments made.

The harder we punch the DEIS in ELDO, the better off every forest (and BLM land for that matter) will be. This has already happened in TNF....they are seeing the fight we are putting up and easing off. One example of this is the over the snow travel, ENF is proposing 24 inches of snow BEFORE a wheeled vehicle can travel over it!! The regular forest guideline is 12 inches.....We have been slamming ELDO NF about that, and guess what? Tahoe is keeping it at 12 inches....

I do have to admit that the cross-posting was a "little" too much though....

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