: Homebuilt full floating 44 ??s


CAVE
09-18-2007, 07:57 PM
Will I be making a weaker axle by welding a bracket to a rear waggy dana 44 to bolt on a front waggy 44 spindle? Then of course using the stock waggy disks/rotors/drive flanges/bearings and having some axle shafts cut. This will make a full floating type dana 44. Sure it isn't as hardcore as some axle builds, but under my small jeep I thought it might be a good way to get disc brakes and some of the benefits of a full floating axle. My only concern is that having the axle would have to be smaller than a stock rear shaft to fit through the spindle. Am I right on that or are stock front stub shafts the same size as a stock rear shaft?

On a seperate note, would a dana 44 lockout hub hold up to a rear axle application? May be good way to get rid of the effects of my spool on the street. Thoughts? I know this isn't new tech or anything, just curious about the strength differences.

nofender
09-19-2007, 09:08 AM
I think the proper way to do this would be to machine a spindle mount and press it into the axle end. Then you could bolt a spindle to that. You have to engineer some way to carry the weight of the vehicle. Simply welding a bracket with the spindle's bolt pattern won't do it. The weight of the rig will rely on only the welds for support. Even if you umachined a flange that was a tight press fit into the axle end, that would be okay. Press that in then weld it to the axle.

A 30 spline axle should slide right through the Waggy spindle, if i remember correctly. As for the hubs....with a spool......not a chance. Run flanges. I think Warn still makes a full floater kit for a 44. It's nice stuff if you are so inclined.

atblis
09-19-2007, 09:32 AM
Dana 60 full floaters are pretty common and cheap. Just run one of those.
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CAVE
09-19-2007, 11:03 AM
Not that I was going to butt weld my spindles to the axle tubes, but I'm pretty sure a 14 bolt ff axle has its spindles butt welded straight to the tubes. I was planning on making my bracket slide over the tube and then weld inside/outside to distribute the load a little better. I don't think that will be my problem though. I was more worried about making axles that would still be strong enough to warrant the "cutom made" part of the deal.

And.... if I wanted a 60 then I wouldn't be asking these questions.

What would be the best donor axle shafts to have cut to length (waggy length) and have resplined for the drive flanges.

atblis
09-19-2007, 02:52 PM
You want a 60, you just don't know it (yet).
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CAVE
09-19-2007, 04:27 PM
Sure I want a 60...9, but that is for my other jeep. This one will stay on waggy 44s.

atblis
09-19-2007, 06:59 PM
How bout a full floater Toy axle?
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apeters89
09-19-2007, 08:16 PM
How bout a full floater Toy axle?
seen it done. he didn't seem to have a problem with it.

KVOM
09-20-2007, 06:38 AM
A buddy of mine changed his rear waggy 44 to full float using a press-on spindle mount he got from a company whose name escapes me. He's building a WEROCK stock mod rig; getting chromo axle shafts made for it. I'll see if I can find out who makes the mount.

CAVE
09-20-2007, 01:06 PM
Yeah, that would be great if you could find out the company. What's a custom full floating shaft cost these days? Not sure if I need the chromo's, but may go for that if its not that much more than a regular custom shaft.

pyrocrat
09-22-2007, 01:18 PM
I did this exact set up to a semi float ford dana 60 axle and the only prob I had was with the axle pushing straight out of the hubs .
You have to have a stop on the axle , at the spindle thrust surface , because the diff side gears move sideways as power is cycled , they grab the shaft and push it out the only direction that is available , threw the locking hub . I wasted $400.00 on custom axles without this feature and destroyed several sets of warn hubs and then switched to drive flanges , which didn't help .
This was a huge , expensive waste of time ,It cost over a grand by the time I bought the axle , front hubs with brakes (eldo calipers ),locking hubs and then custom axles (in 1993 , before axles were relatively easy to order ).
If you just want disc brakes , use chevy 1/2 ton rotors that slide on , from 1988 and later 2wd and make a simple caliper bracket from 3/8 plate .
Or get an Isuzu dana 44 ,about 61 " wide . It has a good disc brake system .
If you want a wider rear , the nissan titan and pathfinder now have dana 44's ,w/ disc.
If you have to have full float , then the toyota axle is perfect ,also in lexus's .
Warn no longer makes full float kits for a reason ,good aftermarket axles will fix a broken axle problem ,disc brake conversions are relatively easy to perform.
But to point out again what every post has said before me ,don't waste money on half assed ideas, put in a dana 60 rear ,simply bolt on a 3/4 ton , 8 lug chevy disc brake conversion to the front and change wheels .
Oh ,and a spool doesn't belong on the street .

atblis
09-22-2007, 04:32 PM
I am thinking that the new Nissan rears are different. DOn't they have a slightly larger ring and pinion or something?

EDIT: Hmmm, dunno. I can't find any mention of it.
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CAVE
09-23-2007, 11:00 AM
So do you machine in a spot for a snap ring or something to keep the shaft from coming out?