..Here are some pics I took today of the Orange XJ ..It's still not done..Hopefully in about a week!!!!

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rear shackle mount!

Hysteer!

Ox Locker controls!

Holy shackle angle batman:eek:

Heres a pic of another Jeep the shop is working on!

14 bolt rear axle!

Front high pinion Dana 44 out of full size bronco re-tubed to passenger side drop and monster dif cover!!!

Damn!!..What a crappy picture...Sorry!

Oh..Pics of trussed rear axle!!

stock spring, flipped arround?

thats what this is, but I then moved it back 1.5" forward so I wouldn't have to cut into the fuel door :eek:

truss

YA!!..6" aftermarket springs...Flipped!!...They had to move the gas tank up and back...Build new wheel wells and fab in new gas filler!!..Here is a pic of the other side of Hysteer setup!!..Oh...And Brent...That XJ is BAD-ASS!!!!

I to had to move the tank up and back, here is another before the major cutting began.

Originally posted by AZFJ
Heres a pic of another Jeep the shop is working on!


how the hell does that shackle work....doesnt seem like it would be able to compress at all.......

The shop designed it to drop like a MOFO!!..I've seen 4 or 5 rigs this shop has built in action!!...They work real well!!!!

the tank.
http://www.jeepinjunkie.com/remodel/Mvc-878f.jpg
can you say bondo :eek:
http://www.jeepinjunkie.com/remodel/Mvc-881f.jpg
how pretty :barf:
http://www.jeepinjunkie.com/remodel/MVC-016F.JPG

Originally posted by AZFJ
The shop designed it to drop like a MOFO!!..I've seen 4 or 5 rigs this shop has built in action!!...They work real well!!!!

but what happens if you hit a bump going down the road? it will be just like a hard mounted spring. or is there about a inch or so of uptravle in it?

Originally posted by AZFJ
Heres a pic of another Jeep the shop is working on! ..

This shackle fold twice into itself...They picked up one of the rear tires 55" up with a forklift...The 3 other tires were still firmly on the ground and the Jeep sat pretty level!!!...Would'nt have believed it if I did'nt see it!!!

.It has a couple inches or less of up travel...That's it!!...Believe me...It works!!!

Originally posted by AZFJ
..

This shackle fold twice into itself...They picked up one of the rear tires 55" up with a forklift...The 3 other tires were still firmly on the ground and the Jeep sat pretty level!!!...Would'nt have believed it if I did'nt see it!!!

55" high with all the others still on the ground...:eek: :eek: ....thats bad ass....i dont understand the shackle thing though....i can see how it would drop like a SOB.....

Brent.....Stop!!..that XJ is sick!!!...My buddy with the XJ in the pictures has about 5 shots of your truck he keeps on his desk!!!!!

Originally posted by AZFJ
14 bolt rear axle!

Ok, so its got a pivoting and what looks like a sliding spring perch (with the blocks welded in between the spring perch plates there is no way they are clamping the spring tight), with shackles that fold in on them selves twice, can drop a rear tire 55", and a single ladder style traction bar. What the hell locates this axle??? If it can lift a rear tire 55", its got to be rear steering so bad that it doesnt need 4 wheel steering to turn. I just nees some splainin to.

Originally posted by AGGIECJ-7


55" high with all the others still on the ground...:eek: :eek: ....thats bad ass....i dont understand the shackle thing though....i can see how it would drop like a SOB.....

..People on the trail say the same thing untill the see it in action!!...Ask the Driven guys from Phoenix...Thay ran with the guys alot of times before!!!

Originally posted by kwrangln


Ok, so its got a pivoting and what looks like a sliding spring perch (with the blocks welded in between the spring perch plates there is no way they are clamping the spring tight), with shackles that fold in on them selves twice, can drop a rear tire 55", and a single ladder style traction bar. What the hell locates this axle??? If it can lift a rear tire 55", its got to be rear steering so bad that it doesnt need 4 wheel steering to turn. I just nees some splainin to.

..The spring CAN be clamped tight !..Perch does not "slide"..They can loosen the clamps and position the axlel in different location ( they dont of course)..The traction bar is is mounted to a crossmeber with this wierd swivel bearing type thing!!..Sorry...Dont know the technical term for it!...They have provisions to limit the amount of " drop the shackle can have...The front axle has just a regular shackle with less flex ability than the rear...The owner of the shop always talks in terms WAY over my head...But I'm trying to learn!!....I will ask him again how this system works an maybe let me take some better pictures!!!

So what is the OAL from eye to eye on a cherokee spring??? I know, I know search:flipoff2:

UUUUUHHHHHHHHHH!!!!??????????.....

Originally posted by AZFJ
UUUUUHHHHHHHHHH!!!!??????????.....

Imagine this I did a search and came up with 51.5" and its offset 5"...:D:D:D

Lets see some pics of it tweaking out!

Originally posted by Supergper


Imagine this I did a search and came up with 51.5" and its offset 5"...:D:D:D
well it wasn't to accurate now was it, :D the length is right, but the center pin is offset from the center of the spring pack by 3", but if its in a xj allready and you flip it, you gain 6" of wheel base.

Originally posted by AZFJ
Brent.....Stop!!..that XJ is sick!!!...My buddy with the XJ in the pictures has about 5 shots of your truck he keeps on his desk!!!!! he isn't one of the guys that was wheeling with us down there in april on predator and judgement day was he?

What did you use to do the high steering on the Front d30?

Rodney YJ,
What did you use to do the high steering on the Front d30?

It's not,
He said: Front high pinion Dana 44 out of full size bronco re-tubed to driver side drop and monster dif cover!!!

Ken

The XJ still has a 30 front, and with high steer no less. If ya look close you can see where they welded on the steering knuckle to build up a high steer arm. Not quite sure what I think about that, but it aint lookin good to me. Will wait for some more pics before I pass full judgement.

Kwrangln

Originally posted by kwrangln
The XJ still has a 30 front, and with high steer no less. If ya look close you can see where they welded on the steering knuckle to build up a high steer arm. Not quite sure what I think about that, but it aint lookin good to me. Will wait for some more pics before I pass full judgement.

Kwrangln

..Ya..Still has the 30 up front with one piece supertior shafts!!!..The shop built the hell out of the knuckle!!!...I asked about that too!!!...But I will get more pics showing how beefy they built these!!!..In the New JP mag...They show a new hysteer set up be "Down East Off Road".w/ new knuckles built for hysteer..looks pretty good..Article says TJ shipping now!! ..soon on XJ and Spring over YJ !!!

Originally posted by Brent Orton
he isn't one of the guys that was wheeling with us down there in april on predator and judgement day was he?

..No!!..He just downloaded some from somewhere and printed them out !!!...He want to build his sliders and tubes over whell wells like yours!!

Originally posted by BRUISER


It's not,
He said:

Ken

I believe the correct term for this steering is inverted-T Geometry. My understanding is that Histeer requires a leaf spring but what do I know.

:D

The inverted-T on normal d30 knuckles will be much lower then this one. I did the inverted-T and got like 3in higher tierod clearance. This is at least 4.5in higher, and with the aid of that drop pittman arm maby 1in, now thats some flat steering!!!!!

The track bar has good geometry, it looks almos the same length as the drag link and is parell to the drag link. Im just not sure on the track bar mounting, its really hard to tell from the pic what bracing they did?

Id like to hear how it drives on the road with that steering and trck bracket.

SWEET.

:D

Originally posted by ashmanjeepXJ


I believe the correct term for this steering is inverted-T Geometry. My understanding is that Histeer requires a leaf spring but what do I know.

:D

The inverted-T on normal d30 knuckles will be much lower then this one. I did the inverted-T and got like 3in higher tierod clearance. This is at least 4.5in higher, and with the aid of that drop pittman arm maby 1in, now thats some flat steering!!!!!

The track bar has good geometry, it looks almos the same length as the drag link and is parell to the drag link. Im just not sure on the track bar mounting, its really hard to tell from the pic what bracing they did?

Id like to hear how it drives on the road with that steering and trck bracket.

SWEET.

:D

..If you take a look at the pics of the steering!!...The light Blue braket in the pic is the brace for the track bar!!...It mounts to each side of the "frame"...and has some othe link support also!!..This truck used to drive great on road...But now the trook out all sway bars and the suspension is super soft!!..So ...i would bet the on road manners are not as good!!!!

other side

Oh!!...The welds on the tie rod are the Rock Ram mounts!!

Ummm.. a hydro assist ram on THAT tie rod?
OK...

Originally posted by Brent Orton

well it wasn't to accurate now was it, :D the length is right, but the center pin is offset from the center of the spring pack by 3", but if its in a xj allready and you flip it, you gain 6" of wheel base.

Oh!!! I got my info off the Rancho website...it says they are offset 23/28.5 so according to them its 5.5" offset...but I trust your info more so than Ranchos:D:D:D Thanks

do you XJ guys every worry bout rolling and busting out all the glass??:eek: :question:

Originally posted by Jeepmangled87
do you XJ guys every worry bout rolling and busting out all the glass??:eek: :question:

Of course we do...which is why we do this http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/EXO/exo01s.jpg

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Jeepmangled87
do you XJ guys every worry bout rolling and busting out all the glass??:eek: :question:
Hummmm,. no, glass is cheap, axles aren't

Originally posted by Supergper


Oh!!! I got my info off the Rancho website...it says they are offset 23/28.5 so according to them its 5.5" offset...but I trust your info more so than Ranchos:D:D:D Thanks

there is nothing wrong with the info that Rancho gave you...the pin is 23" from one eyelet and 28.5" from the other side. that means the entire length of the spring is 51.5. using these numbers you can determine that the center of the spring is 25.75" from either eyelet. so if the pin is 23"/28.5" away from the eyes then it is off set 2.75"....i think all my math is correct here...:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Jeepmangled87...that is what fullsize axles and 4" BS are for, stability. When i get done with my axles i will have gone from 62" track width to around 71" track width with 9" of lift. I locally run with K5s and other fullsizes, so i'll fit in and have a hell of a lot more ground clearance.

Originally posted by Slagburn
Ummm.. a hydro assist ram on THAT tie rod?
OK...

...Ya!!..It's Rusty's new tie rod!!!..Looks like it will hold up!!..We'll see...If not...Build it bigger!!!

Originally posted by Jeepmangled87
do you XJ guys every worry bout rolling and busting out all the glass??:eek: :question:

..Check out the pic!!..The rear glass is shattered...Slid over on a rock!!!...He was follownig me in my FJ!!...My tires kept me away from it....Those XJ's and all that glass is scary!!!

So buy a 2dr its got less glass!!:D

Couple more pics I took today!!..They took it out on a test run and broke the rear OX locker and destroyed the ring and pinion!..DriveTrain Direct is going to send out new parts....NO CHARGE...WOW...Great service!

Pic of hydro assist bypass switch.!...Why would you NOT use it??...They got me on that one!

Broken OX...

FWIW - from lookin hard at the Downeast Offroad "HiSteer" ad in the magazine - their knuckles appear to be nothing more excotic than a left hand drive WJ Jeep right hand knuckle, and a right hand drive WJ Jeep left hand knuckle.

Hay AZFJ if you guys bring this beast to Tucson let me know, I want to check it out.

Im still building, so cant wheel till later in the year.

lates

Originally posted by ashmanjeepXJ
So buy a 2dr its got less glass!!:D

:rasta:
Hell...
bust the glass out & wheel awn!!!

put some race webbing in to hold yer crap inside if ya need to.

Originally posted by AZFJ
Couple more pics I took today!!..They took it out on a test run and broke the rear OX locker and destroyed the ring and pinion!..DriveTrain Direct is going to send out new parts....NO CHARGE...WOW...Great service!

Is that a super 35 OX combo that you busted? Howa the 30 holding up, what joints are you running?

I run an OX in my rear 44 and love it since I fixed the shifter.

A guy in my association just installed an OX in his 35, dumb move in my opinion, but for his use, prolly fine, anyway, he had to cut down the end of the cross shaft and clearance the nose of the pinion gear, he said that the carrier had a machined depression for pinion clearance on the D35 model, so certain gear ratios or sets requiring more pinion depth may have problems. I wonder if that is the case here. All that work and still running a 35? I love the Ox in my front 44, and I've pounded the hell out of it with no problems at all.

Originally posted by STOKJEEP
FWIW - from lookin hard at the Downeast Offroad "HiSteer" ad in the magazine - their knuckles appear to be nothing more excotic than a left hand drive WJ Jeep right hand knuckle, and a right hand drive WJ Jeep left hand knuckle.

Your are about half way there, it will work just fine if you want the 5 on 5" part b pattern WJs come with. If you want to run the stock hub or Warn conversion you have to machine a spacer to account for the differences in hub depth the Jeep designed into that knuckle. You can't simply stack washers or use plate either, the 3 3/8" bolts cannot handle the stress. You have to register your spacer to both the knuckle and the stock TJ hub, then it will work either way. Dunno about using CJ rotors with Warns 5 on 5.5" conversion, that might work without the spacer. Either way thats what your paying for at Down East.

Originally posted by 4Bangler
A guy in my association just installed an OX in his 35, dumb move in my opinion, but for his use, prolly fine, anyway, he had to cut down the end of the cross shaft and clearance the nose of the pinion gear, he said that the carrier had a machined depression for pinion clearance on the D35 model, so certain gear ratios or sets requiring more pinion depth may have problems. I wonder if that is the case here. All that work and still running a 35? I love the Ox in my front 44, and I've pounded the hell out of it with no problems at all.

...I know!!..I've been telling him to quit polishing the terd!!.. ie .Dana 35!!..Yes its the " Super 35 kit with new shafts" and Ox locker with 4:88 gears !!!..Locker went before the shaft...looks promising!!...I know the front is still the 30 with driver-side Superior shaft and passenger Yukon Gear shaft ..no disconnect with 297 joints!!...They been holding up good!!! ...Hopefully the XJ will be done when all the trails open back up!!...I went by the shop yesterday.. They were putting on plate steel on the rear panels over the wheels...It wraps around and eliminates the stock tail-lights!!

..It turns out Ox Trax "forgot" to tighten the set screw for the pin ...That is what caused the damage to the axle!!...They said the leave it loose for C-clip axles!!..This was used on a non C-clip...ie,.."super 35 kit"