Thanks to all you who helped this weekend. We were up above McKenstry when we watched with horror as our friend rolled his jeep down the hill. He hit a patch of snow, and well, went over. It was approx 4:30 Sat. There was 4 jeeps, He was first. He was trying to back out of the situation, and started sliding. He had 3 passangers: his 3 yr old son, His buddy and his buddy's nephew. The jeep started sliding then caught a rock and the horror started. The jeep flipped over and catapolted the driver out and over the jeep. The jeep caught air, missed the driver, who at this time had hit the ground HARD, Jeep continued to roll with the other 3, came to a tree stump and a fallen tree, caught air and landed on all fours in a spring. As soon as I saw that our friend was thrown out, I screamed, Jerry out! No sooner than I said that, My husband put his jeep in gear and flew down the hill to him. During this time, our friend behind us did the same, he wsa the second down the hill 2 seconds after my hubby. I immediately grabbed the first aid kit, water, blankets, shirts, anything I could find, and proceeded down the hill, threw the stuff to my husband, and took off after the kids and the other passanger. They were seatbelted in and no harm came to them, but scared sh-tless!!! Checked them out throughly and raced them to the top. Them proceeded to help my husband with Jerry. He was in bad condition, serious head and leg injuries, broken ribs(finding out today, punctured BOTH lungs), and fading in and out. We sat with him while our other friend called desparetly for help!!! He went on for 1/2 hour calling. Finally soneome answered. A big THANK YOU!!! Life flight took 2 1/2 hours to get there. They could not find us. My 11 yr old daughter got on the CB and told the pilot where we are. Moral of this story, YOU NEED TO WHERE YOUR SEAT BELTS...ALWAYS!!! PLEASE...
Like I said, Thank you to all who helped, and a BIG thanks to Shane for all your help!!! By the way, Jerry is in Reno, still critical, but getting better every hour.

Prayers out to Jerry, for a speedy and complete recovery!!!!

K-ton

PLEASE EVERYONE WEAR YOUR BELTS!!!!!!!!!!

Wow!!! Hope Jerry has a speedy recovery.

Thanks for posting. It's a good wake up call

Wow...hope all goes well and he has a speedy recovery.

I wonder if when in remote areas and something like this happens
could a helicopter be relayed GPS coordinates for location?

Would need some means of communcation though....CB, ham, or
otherwise to at least talk to someone who could contact a rescue team.

Jay

When we have a Search and Rescue in remote areas we use our GPS to give Life Flight Lat/Long to find us. I hope Jerry is better soon and am very happy every one else is O.K.

First off, glad to hear everybody made it out ok;)

These are the types of things we need to hear about every so often, really reminds you of what you need to be doing out there.

I'm sure alot of you remember that story about six months ago about the girl who got the fingers of her right hand sheard off. She was riding co pilot when the rig started to flop on the right side. She gripped the door with her fingers on the outside and the rig hit then slid on a rock right were her hand was. Girl almost died from shock and blood loss. As I recall, she was only in her early twenties and is now missing four fingers :(

That story really made me think, and now EVERY time I take someone out, I go over the drill. I tell them if we start going over, cross your arms and grab onto the shoulder staps of the harness

Our group came accrost the camp where jerry was camping (some where on the way out of wentworth springs).This is where my buddy shane(X-medic)and his father and the rest of us got the news of the roll over.Shane and his dad sprang into action to help,the rest of us headed back to get cell phone coverage.
A few hours later shane and his dad return with all the details(very scarry).Pretty much what psycobitch said but shane said that they droped of a small cliff:eek: obout 15 to 20 feet in the roll!
Well im verry glad to here that he is doing all right.I was verry sorry to here it was his 33ed birthday:(
O ya next mod......lap belts.
Im shure Shane will chime in here soon with his side of the story

Originally posted by ROKTOY
Would need some means of communcation though....CB, ham, or
otherwise to at least talk to someone who could contact a rescue team.

Jay

I worry about this constantly with my club. Regardless of what some people think, sometimes the wheelin can be dangerous.

I bought a ham radio, and whenever we go someplace "remote", I make sure and get the freq's of the forest service. That way, if we get into trouble, I know that I can get someone REAL quick. Yea, I'll get yelled at for using a "government" freq, but I don't really care when it comes to the safety of myself or my buddies.

A GPS would be a nice addition, I might have to do that!

Anyway, hopes everything turns out the for the best! Good thinking, way to use your head in the situation.

Originally posted by ROCKTACO

O ya next mod......lap belts.

I have a better idea, How about 5 point harrnesses. It's one of the top mods in my book

Sorry to hear it and I hope he's OK.
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If he was in such a bad spot why wasn't he wearing his belt?

anybody who does not put there seat belt on before they even start their rig is a fool.

it is a good thing that in this case god was watching out for children and fools.


people wear your fawken seat belts.

Glad to hear he's going to be able to recover..

But GAWD DAMN PEOPLE. Why didn't he have his seatbelt on? I mean... really stupid move. If your in the rig, the engine running, it should be on, even if your just sitting there.

5 point harnesses - yeah.. good idea, except those I know that haved used them on the trail don't anymore and just use the lapbelt part. Something to do with too restrictive and neck pain for regular trail riding. But.. if they go in to something hairy, the 5 point goes on.

More on the seat belt issue:
We were just driving on the logging road above Mckenstry. Not fooling around. NOT AT ALL THINKING WE NEEDED OUR BELTS ON. Jerry hit the snow drift, fully expecting to go over it. Than it happened. The front just slid and after about 6-8 rolls, landed about 150 feet or so down the hill.

POINT: if the engine is running, your belt should be on. Expect the unexpected. Always be prepared.

Thanks for the kind words

John

[QUOTE]Originally posted by twaldher
[B]Glad to hear he's going to be able to recover..

But GAWD DAMN PEOPLE. Why didn't he have his seatbelt on? I mean... really stupid move. If your in the rig, the engine running, it should be on, even if your just sitting there.

OH shit - I have seen it a thousand times and done it myself....

always were a seatbelt but there's that SOMTIMES when you don't - wheather it is turning your jeep around or whatever....


I hope everyone just keeps these thoughts in mind - and glad none of the kids got hurt!!

someone who was there please tell me how the kids were straped in and if you think that was a effective way to do it????


Prayers for jerry

Correct, if the vehicle is moving, you need to have your lap belt on.

Don't be afraid to TELL other people to wear theirs. Don't let them say "don't tell me what to do", because you're the one that has to clean them up if they get tossed out.

Step in front of thier vehicle until they put it on. They might get mad at you, but there are plenty of horror stories to justify it.

Just image how you will feel if you see that they don't have a belt on and don't say anything and then they get hurt.

Originally posted by Moab Austin


OH shit - I have seen it a thousand times and done it myself....

always were a seatbelt but there's that SOMTIMES when you don't - wheather it is turning your jeep around or whatever....


I hope everyone just keeps these thoughts in mind - and glad none of the kids got hurt!!

someone who was there please tell me how the kids were straped in and if you think that was a effective way to do it????


Prayers for jerry

there are only 1-2 times I just don't wear a seat belt. And that is because it would take some freak accident, more like god himself coming down to strike me. to roll my jeep moving it out of the driveway to the side of the stret, with all of it being on perfectly flat ground and no more than 30' to travel. ;)

All other times, the seatbelt is on. even if I am just sitting there with the engine running. No exceptions. :)

This brings up another good point--the danger of the driver being ejected while the passenger(s) go for a ride. A similar situation happened to a couple friends of mine; the driver was ejected (no belt), while the passenger (buckled) rolled with the Jeep and down a hill, thankfully it hit a tree and stopped before it went further. I catch grief sometimes for being a seat belt tweak, but who cares? If the trucks in gear and not in the driveway, mine's on.

As for the four/five points, the biggest problem I see with them is that typically only the lap belt is worn (which is what I do when wheeling, lap only). However, at the end of the trail, the shoulder belts never go on, leaving less protection on the road than the factory 3 point belts, plus two nice chunks of metal flapping in the breeze.

Pete

Thats gunna leav a mark!

I never get in my ride without a belt and everybody that gets in is strapped in. I don't even have to ask. Probably because they know I'm a safety freak. A buddy of mine went over recently doing about 50 and he just had a lap belt. He's okay but now he's aware of what can happen.

Originally posted by Moab Austin
[QUOTE]Originally posted by twaldher
[B]Glad to hear he's going to be able to recover..


I hope everyone just keeps these thoughts in mind - and glad none of the kids got hurt!!

someone who was there please tell me how the kids were straped in and if you think that was a effective way to do it????


Prayers for jerry

The 3 year old was is a car seat with a harness type belt, basicly a 5 point. The type you would get a 3 year old. The other kid, I believe he was about 6, friends nephew, was in the lap/shoulder belt in the back seat.
The family type cage may have folded, except Jerry had a jamboree rack mounted on the top rear of the cage and that helped re-enforce the cage.

I will post pics in tonight or tomorrow..

Originally posted by twaldher


there are only 1-2 times I just don't wear a seat belt. And that is because it would take some freak accident, more like god himself coming down to strike me. to roll my jeep moving it out of the driveway to the side of the stret, with all of it being on perfectly flat ground and no more than 30' to travel. ;)

All other times, the seatbelt is on. even if I am just sitting there with the engine running. No exceptions. :)

This is exactly what I mean. When you do not think something will happen is when it does. YOU JUST NEVER KNOW!

and a BIG thanks to Shane for all your help!!!







No problem!!!

Im glad I could help out when it was needed!
Send the best to you and Jerry...Keep us updated on how he is doing!


Also a great bday present would be to get him a roll cage for his next rig!!!

stories like that are what made it a pleasure for me to spend over $300 on good 5-pt harnesses. People often decide to spend money on shiny beadlocks or big tires thinking that those are the things that will really let them have more fun. I've found that having a roll cage that i am confident in and 5-pt harnesses can have the biggest effect on my wheeling. it's amazing the lines i can take when i have complete confidence that i will be safe.

-Steve

We had this guy on one of our club runs, he is half way up a really nice steep climb and decides that he can’t make it and the dipshit is trying to turn around, we yell to him that were going to attach a line on him to help him out of the crap he has put himself into. The 3-point factory shoulder belt has locked on him and he removes it so he can reach something that has fallen on the floor. Oops, the jeep starts to go over and he’s the only one without a belt now, 2nd time around he’s thrown out and his kids are in there for the ride of their lives. Kids were o.k. And the dumb dipshit that wouldn’t ask or wait for a little help had a concussion and a broke arm.

Before the next trail ride I had a brand spanking new 5 point in my little piece of crap!

its like when I give people rides on my motorcycle, if ya ain't wearing a helmet, ya ain't riding. It's common sense, but we all forget sometimes. Hope he recovers swiftly.

Sorry to hear about the accident.....Im glad he and his passengers are all going to be ok.

I cant stress this enough!!...I just went to a friends funeral last Saturday..(Only 28 years old)!!...Bronco flipped over all 4 were ejected....2 died ,1 still in critical condition..!!!..Driver "walked away"!!..None were wearing seat belts!!!!...Put a big time wake up call to me to wear mine ALL THE TIME!!! ..Glad to hear everyone is all right!!!..~CLINT~..

Jerry will be in ICU for 2-3 weeks than to recovery. The big cuts/ lacerations were nothing compared to the TWO punctured lungs and multiple broken ribs.

He is in good spirits, even with the tube down his throat. But it is going to be a loooooooong recovery. My Wife went up to see him tonight, he's in Reno, says he is looking soooo much better. He is not out of the woods yet, but looks tons better.

Here are some #'s for you to remember when your not wearing that belt.
>>2-3 hours for rescue

>> tow bill is $1,900.00, this is even after we made the jeep drivable and got it into a better position for recovery.

>>The helicopter ride was a MINIMUM $50,000.00 do not know the final figures yet. Will probably be more. We have heard stories of the ride costing over $100,000.00. No foolin people, this is big money. AND if you do not have insurance you are SOL.

>> 2-4 weeks in hospital + recovery time = no work = no pay. And disability does not cut it.

You can add in the rest your self. Point is 2 seconds will save a whole lot of numbers.

Glad to hear he's doing better...pretty scary story..

Glad to hear he's OK. Even gladder (is that a word?) his kids are. Seatbelts? I had an uncle, he was the VP of Frito Lays. He had a private jet at his disposal, obviously plenty of $, a wife and three kids. He died from a head trauma when the truck his brother was driving rolled over his head as he was ejected. Since then I'm happy to be a seat belt fanatic. Don't ride with me unless you're wearing one.

so thats what happened, some guy came up to me when iw as loading my turd up to go home and asked if we knew of anything about a roll over at mykinster, hell i dont even know where that is, bhut i thought i woulda heard more about it than from one guy, i guess we were leaving at teh same time it happened. SEAT BELTS ROCK! wear em!

our group was just heading out when it happened, we made several attempts to get someone on channel 9 with no response at all !!! We were just in route to the accicdent when we got word that lifeflight was coming, we still wanted to make sure they were coming so we decided to wait until we had visual confirmation of the helicopter. Once we saw the helicopter we knew it was ok to leave the area. Glad to here that everyone made it out.

This brings up another good point with seatbelts, why in the hell don't people were their seat belts in the BOX? This is my second year wheeling the con and I have seen everything from no belts to people sticking their arms and legs out just to impress the crowd.

Best thing that ever happened to me seat belt wise was buying a jeep. Felt so naked driving it. Since I bought it I never drive or ride in any car without being buckled up.

One problem that is hard to overcome is the automatic seatbelts in our accord. The shoulder belt automatically buckles but, not the lap belt. REMEMBER , If your door flies open in a car crash the AUTOMATIC belt AUTOMATICALLY disconnects. The AUTO belt is worthless without the MANUAL lap belt. My wife's cousin was killed this way.

My previous job required me to do a lot of "start and stop driving" from job sight to job sight. Sometimes you think......"I'll only be in the car for a couple miles or so. (sarcastically) As if it takes a real long time to buckle up. 2 seconds of your drive time to save your life.

Ps............Having a (now) 3 year old son also had a big impact on the treasure of life.
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OK, I'm guilty. I have 4-point harnesses (who really uses the anti-submarine belt to make them a 5-pt.?), and wear only the lap belt when driving on the street or trail.

If I get into a potential roll situation, the shoulder belts go on. Problem is, I can't reach the lever to disengage my front D/S, the winch switch, or any other dash-panel mounted switches when belted in, so I usually revert to the lap belt only.

But when I'm that far off-camber or steep, I try and keep my feces co-located and not have to shift..

Never thought about telling people to cross their arms and grab the shoulder harnesses.. They always want to get out before I get that far over.. :flipoff2:

Update on Jerry: His color is back and his wounds are looking great. Dr. said he will hopefully be off the vent sometime next week. Seems to still be himself, though he's constantly flipping the :flipoff2: to almost all the nurses!!!
PLEASE keep the prayers coming and PLEASE Encourage EVERYONE to wear some type of restrain harness AT ALL TIMES!!!

JUST BE SAFE, Your life and the life of others is too important.
What ever you do DOES affect the people you love!!!

Speaking of seat belts... I hate the belts in the Yota, they seem to lock whenever you don't want them to. Is there any way to 'fix' this??

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This is at the landing spot to where it started. Looking up

Those pics are a good example of why not to use the factory cage and to connect your cage to the dash or floor. That winshield didnt hold up so well.

Ryan

Originally posted by RealJeep Man
Those pics are a good example of why not to use the factory cage and to connect your cage to the dash or floor. That winshield didnt hold up so well.

Ryan

Better yet, tie your cage into your frame like it should be!

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