dirt bag warning!

Hey Guys

If James Grein (aka DrtDevl on the OutdoorWire forums)from Newport News, VA. EVER wants to buy any thing,

DON'T DO IT. HE'S A ******* DIRTBAG

He owes me $66.71 for parts shipped to him UPS on Sept 19, and received on Sept 26.

He is a US Army E5, Motor Transport Operator at Fort Eustis, VA.

Does anybody know if I can contact his CO and get any response on something like this?

Later

[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: crawler#976 ]

Originally posted by crawler#976:
<STRONG>dirt bag warning!

Hey Guys

If James Grein (aka DrtDevl on the OutdoorWire forums)from Newport News, VA. EVER wants to buy any thing,

DON'T DO IT. HE'S A ******* DIRTBAG

He owes me $66.71 for parts shipped to him UPS on Sept 19, and received on Sept 26.

He is a US Army E5, Motor Transport Operator at Fort Eustis, VA.

Does anybody know if I can contact his CO and get any response on something like this?

Later</STRONG>


So what's the story, is he refusing to pay, or you just can't get ahold of him? A lot of military folks are hard to get ahold of right now.

He's currently in VA. He is not deployed. He's not answering E-mail or PM's, and in his last communication had promised payment would be mailed the 12th or 15th of Oct.

Yeah, it would be kind of tough on a guy to pay up if, for example, he was in Afghanistan.

here's the story from one the Toy guys:
________________

from Kajo:

James Grien (DrtDevl) bought a 3rd member from me at about the same time. He drove to my house to pick it up. About a 2 hour Drive. It sucks that he screwed you over. I am in the Army to and if you can find out what unit he is in and have verification that he recieved your stuff, his comander should be able to help you out. at least he should be able to have him ship the parts back to you.
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He's a ******* dirtbag!

[ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: crawler#976 ]

Originally posted by crawler#976:
<STRONG>dirt bag warning!

Hey Guys

If James Grein (aka DrtDevl on the OutdoorWire forums)from Newport News, VA. EVER wants to buy any thing,

DON'T DO IT. HE'S A ******* DIRTBAG

He owes me $66.71 for parts shipped to him UPS on Sept 19, and received on Sept 26.

He is a US Army E5, Motor Transport Operator at Fort Eustis, VA.

Does anybody know if I can contact his CO and get any response on something like this?

Later</STRONG>

I am a vet of five years. The military will article 15 your ass over bad checks. The military frowns on this crap and will land on him with both feet. Since you have his assigned unit I would call first and get a hold of the Base Commander who will probably hand you off to the Judge Advocate. Have a civil conversation with these people, get their address and they will get you your money. After you hang up write a letter to the person you just spoke to and outline your problem and what he said he will do about it. This is the secret way to make something happen in the service. It has worked for me in the past. Phone calls are soon forgotten but they pride themselves on proper paperwork. After he gets you your money write another letter to say how much he has helped you. This is known as the "atta boy" letter and is put in his personnel file and helps with promotions,etc. Lots of luck
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Originally posted by crawler#976:
<STRONG>He's currently in VA. He is not deployed. He's not answering E-mail or PM's, and in his last communication had promised payment would be mailed the 12th or 15th of Oct.</STRONG>

Cut him so slack before you bash him - it has just been 10 days since he "supposedly" mailed the check - sheesh <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

David

the fact that he bought a complete third at the same time, instead of using the stock carrier w/ 4.10 r/p i sold him, leads me to believe he does not intend to pay for my stuff- it doesn't take 10 days to get a letter from VA to AZ either!

[ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: crawler#976 ]

How do you know for sure he isn't deployed? Its not like they advertise that stuff(well...the media does, but thats another story)..Keep in mind that his status could change at any moment. Not saying that he playing games with you, but the fact thats he's in the military just adds a different twist to it. <IMG SRC="smilies/roxy.gif" border="0">

Ditto to that!!! Jeez. I just got $330 bucks back from a guy that had it for 2 MONTHS. Simmer down newbie. And ya don't have to post this to every forum either. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">


Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>Cut him so slack before you bash him - it has just been 10 days since he "supposedly" mailed the check - sheesh <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

thieves <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0">

Take into consideration that the Mail system is extremily slow due to Anthrax issues. <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">
How do you know for sure he isn't deployed???
Classified info dude!!!

He's verified "in country" by a Major in the XO's office at Ft. Eustis, and I'm now contacting the Command Sargeant Major there with his Unit information.

It ain't the money-
All I'm really out is $16.71 for shipping parts I don't need anymore- I make excelent wages as an engineer anyway.

It's about trusting poeple
Maybe I'm a stupid ******* moron for doing so, but the vast majority of poeple on this board and other boards that I have met are really good poeple with a common interest. I've bought and sold other items with no problems. Also, I've done business with poeple on the board via e-mail and phone with excelent results (IE: High Angle, All Pro, Marlin), and while thats not the same as a private transaction, the trust is still there, you expect to get a good, quality product, sight unseen.

Anyway, it will be resolved soon.

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I spoke to his unit Commander today, he'll be calling me tomorrow from the CO's office.

[ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: crawler#976 ]

All I gotta say is if it turns out the check REALLY is "in the mail", you dang well better not only delete these posts, but PUBLICLY apologize for bashing the guy...

Good luck getting it resolved, but I still think you are OUT OF LINE for the public bashing on every BBS you see <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by crawler#976:
<STRONG>David

the fact that he bought a complete third at the same time, instead of using the stock carrier w/ 4.10 r/p i sold him, leads me to believe he does not intend to pay for my stuff- it doesn't take 10 days to get a letter from VA to AZ either!

[ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: crawler#976 ]</STRONG>

Well I don't know you or the guy but I do know AZ postal service is screwed! They loose mail all the time!
I bought some stuff from Waxer and sent him a check. He and I talk a lot and he know plenty of ways to contact me. So he let me know he never recieved it. We waited 2 weeks. Checked with the bank and It's never been cashed either and a stop payment put on it.
I sent him a second check from ATL to PHX and it took 7 days for him to recieve it. This was 8 months BEFORE all the current crap with anthrax was going on. I'm sure that has not helped anything.
Waxer was telling me he has had all sort of mail disapear including rent checks.
Get in touch with the guy before you go off on him. Have him check with his bank to see if it was cashed and if not to put a stop payment on it and mail a second check.

If he's in the military and he's using the military mail service. this may be an issue.

give the military personel some slack! You say you don't need the money, I say drop this whole flame job. And please wait before you start complaining to his commander.
just drop it and check it up to being a good little patriot. Let go of the hate, dude <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
BTW. are you (or your parents) from the middle east? <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

hey- he's got a month's worth of slack-


cutter- THIS SAYS IT ALL!

Broken Arrow, Oklahoma School officials remove "God Bless America" signs from schools in fear that someone might be offended.

Channel 12 News in Long Island, New York, orders flags removed from the newsroom and red, white, and blue ribbons removed from the lapels of reporters. Why? Management did not want to appear biased and felt that our nations flag might give the appearance that "they lean one way or another".

Berkeley, California bans U.S. Flags from being displayed on city fire trucks because they didn't want to offend anyone in the community.

In an "act of tolerance" the head of the public library at Florida Gulf Coast University ordered all "Proud to be an American" signs removed so as to not offend international students.

I, for one, am quite disturbed by these actions of so-called American citizens; and I am tired of this nation worrying about whether or not we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on September 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled in New York and Washington D.C. when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. In fact, our country's population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants; however, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some native Americans, need to understand.

First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually try not to offend you in any way. This idea of America being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language, and our own lifestyle. This culture, called the "American Way" has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam,

We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society - learn our language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan - it is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation; and this is clearly documented throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the halls of our highest level of Government, then it is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic song, and in our founding documents. We honor His
birth, death, and resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer in times of crisis. If God offends you, then
I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture and we are proud
to have Him.

We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably defended our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day,
Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where we proudly wave our flag. As
an American, I have the right to wave my flag, sing my national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my pledge whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we are proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. We are Americans, like it or not, this
is our country, our land, and our lifestyle.

Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we
will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our
pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, the right to leave.

If you agree, pass this on to other Americans!
It is time to take a stand!

Originally posted by crawler#976:
<STRONG>He's verified "in country" by a Major in the XO's office at Ft. Eustis, and I'm now contacting the Command Sargeant Major there with his Unit information.
</STRONG>This is the way to do it. Keep the officer's out of it. Contact his Sargent Major, tell him that you sent his troop some parts and that you haven't received your money yet. Also tell him that you've attempted to contact him, with no success. Give the Sargent Major your contact info and ask him to have the troop call you and to let you know what's going on. This will probably resolve the situation.

I frequently got deployed in country. Sometimes 60 days or more. Sometimes at the last minute. Make sure you got your facts straight before you bash him.

hey nobody-

at this point, as I said above, the problem is resolved. he's on post, and will be calling me tomorrow from his unit CO's office.

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hey DRM-

I Hope I'm the asshole- (I know I'm one anyway)
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it would make Me feel better knowing the guy WAS honest, and if the check's truly in the mail, I'll let you know, so YOU CAN let everbody else know I'm A ******* asshole. as for posting on other boards, I'll aplogize on all of'm if needed. I just don't want other poeple to be ripped off.

[ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: crawler#976 ]

FYI, this is for those who complain about lost mail. If your sending a check through the mail to anyone the best thing to do is send it the following ways... certified, signature confirmation, delivery confirmation, registered, return reciept or a combo of all of em, the best is registered as it is handled all the way and physically checked in and out of every location it goes to. If you are expecting a check have the sender send it one of the above ways and you will all be happy, myself Ive never had an issue with lost mail. I always use a combo of what I said.

Shit I thought this was going to be the thread where we would be doing our monthly Redline Offroad bashing.


Redline Offroad sucks!

Nah, that post starts later this week. hahaha.

Point taken,noted, and set aside with all the rest of the shit.
Second I JUST got doe getting a part from DRM in nashville tenn. and it took what 8 days toget to SLC utah.
Agreed that if you suddenly get said check ( cuz USPS sucks ass) formally eat shit and put your tail between your legs and appologise. If you don't get the $$ in say two more weeks then quietly make your point again. One board here will do. The ones that count are cross-readers. Don't flame just speek

Originally posted by crawler#976:
<STRONG>dirt bag warning!

Hey Guys

If James Grein (aka DrtDevl on the OutdoorWire forums)........

Later</STRONG>


Why were you on the OutdoorWire forum anyway, ......... isn't that a <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> website. <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">

It is time to take a stand![/QB][/QUOTE]

And stand tall!! <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">
Beers on me if our paths cross. <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Grim Reaper:
<STRONG>I do know AZ postal service is screwed! They loose mail all the time!
</STRONG>
This is so fawking true. 3 times now I've made online purchases only to have my check lost. The first time the first check showed up at the poor guys house who waited 2 months for his money 1 day after the 2nd check arrived shreaded with an apology note from the Post Office.
Makes me look like a flake too.
<IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> The AZ USPS it's all about Paypal now, they haven't screwed the pooch yet.
Travis

Originally posted by Hayraker*:
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Why were you on the OutdoorWire forum anyway, ......... isn't that a <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> website. <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Uh, no. Pretty good tech and much less posturing by kiddies <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by old jeep:
<STRONG>Uh, no. Pretty good tech and much less posturing by kiddies <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

MOM! HE'S MAKING FUN OF US AGAIN! <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0">

Crash you suck. Getting his CO involved could have just cost that guy a promotion. And he is putting his life on the line so you can ba jerk over 17 dollars.

What is your address I will send you 20 bucks just to make you leave this guy alone.

BTW- I am also Active Military and know that a E5 still qualifies for food stamps. Maybe he is busy trying to feed his family or had to deal with a broken washmachine.

You make me sick <IMG SRC="smilies/puke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/puke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by DesertJeeper:
<STRONG>Shit I thought this was going to be the thread where we would be doing our monthly Redline Offroad bashing.


Redline Offroad sucks!</STRONG>


me too!
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I have finally had the opportunity to speak w/ James Grein, aka DRTDEVL. He will be returning the carrier and pinion to me, and paying my shipping costs. I believe there was some confusion on his part as to what a carrier actually is, and that was the root of the problem. I did not advertise a complete stock third, only the stock carrier w/ ring gear and matching pinion.

I am very, very dissapointed that I had to resort to calling his CO. It took well over a week before he contacted me, and that his CO verified this afternoon that he has been on post, but am willing to give James the benifit of doubt due to the present situation- I'll chalk it up to his being busy on post. I also understand he had some extenuating personal circumstances, and am going to consider the incident closed as soon as I receive conformation of shipment.

I will not sell anything to anybody now with out using a service like paypal or receiving payment prior to shipment. of the two options, paypal offers both parties some guarrenties.

heres a link:

PayPal (http://www.paypal.com)

FU Crawler. You are worthless <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Alaska ZJ:
<STRONG>Crash you suck. Getting his CO involved could have just cost that guy a promotion. And he is putting his life on the line so you can ba jerk over 17 dollars.

What is your address I will send you 20 bucks just to make you leave this guy alone.

BTW- I am also Active Military and know that a E5 still qualifies for food stamps. Maybe he is busy trying to feed his family or had to deal with a broken washmachine.

You make me sick <IMG SRC="smilies/puke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/puke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/nuke.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

What a Fawkin cop out. "He's a mil guy like me so we are all brothers and are fighting for your shiiiit to have the money blah blah blah..... " Kiss my A$$. That has nothing to do with the fact that he has been avoiding this.

Nothing against the military here but how Gawd damn long does it take to make a phone call. You telling me he didn't have time (3 min) to make the call. BS! He was avoiding the issue and you know it! Other wise, he would have said "hey this is not what I need what can we do about the shipping thing and you can have your stuff back."

Don't hide behind the flag as an excuse. I applaud the job both you and he are doing but he had time. He could have type an email/PM/post back. Think with your head not your unit(military)!

PS Keep up the good work and Kill Osama and all that harbor him. I wish I could help but they won't let me. Too old.

hmmm, been leaving this one , but got ta say.. If one of my soldiers was ducking his responsibilities, It would be an ugly issue. Bad news dont get better with age. Ya wrong, or screw up, ya fix it, like right now. Or at least communicate with the other party.
AlaskaZJ, Your profile says Anchorage, and Infantry, that means you ought to know who I am, or at least have seen me around. You ask around you'll find there aint no tolerance for Joe screwing the pooch, and nobody been too busy to make a call or write an email.
And that folks is the word from a platoon sergeant, to a soldier. Take responsibility for your actions, or go work for BK

i belive the sarge said it best. the guy made a deal and should have honored it. he didn't so he needs to deal with it. now some are pissed off because his c.o. got involved. i think it needed to be done. if the guy is a e5 he should have taken the time to straighten it out, not run from it. hell more than likely he a shop supervisor, not a very good showing on his part. mike

Hey Alaska ZJ since you feel that way, why don't you go ahead and send me a set of 4.88 3rds for a cruiser with ARBs front and rear I SWEAR I'll send you then money. You are only as good as your word and if you can't handle your commitments then f%$k you. If you don't want it/can't afford it then send it back or at least call the guy and let him know what's going on. BTW I want a guy leading me into combat that can't handle his personal business matters. Might have cost him a promotion??? He sounds like he can handle a promotion, give the guy more responsibility. As a man if you make an agreement you honor it or make amends if you can't hold up your end of the bargain. I don't care if your military, law enforcement, clergy or the pope, if you give someone your word and renig on it with out explanation you are a POS IMHO. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">

[ 11-03-2001: Message edited by: Sloan ]

I'll stay with what I said earlier in the thread. Shoulda kept the CO out of it and handled it through the First or Top sergeant (I think that's right). In the Navy, I don't want someone calling the CO, I want them calling me, the Chief!!! I will handle the problem quickly, efficiently, and quietly if neccesary. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">.