Anybody ever try Fordyce in a H3? [Archive] - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

Bebe

10-09-2007, 11:46 PM

Why, as a matter of fact we did:flipoff2:

With and H2 as well.:flipoff2:

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Bebe

10-09-2007, 11:53 PM

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Bebe

10-09-2007, 11:55 PM

Just curious.

I heard the boulder after the 2nd water crossing is a bitch.

No, but You are....my bitch:flipoff2:

SCHooch

10-10-2007, 01:46 AM

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff97/hummbeebee/FordyceOct07125.jpg

Dammmmm, look at those huge tie rods. :eek: I bet you could never break one of those. :D

Intrepidyota

10-10-2007, 05:41 AM

Why didn't you make a thread about your grocery getter owning Fordyce? :p

I would love to get out there sometime. :(

Rubicrawler

10-10-2007, 09:06 AM

Just curious.

I heard the boulder after the 2nd water crossing is a bitch.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/SCHooch1/Smiles/dunno.gif

That's just mean! Funny as hell, but mean :laughing:

Bebe- remember, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ;)

Bebe

10-10-2007, 10:48 AM

Dammmmm, look at those huge tie rods. :eek: I bet you could never break one of those. :D

Those Fabtechs (on the H2) are huge in comparison to the OEM's. I have the 16mm OEM's, the truck that broke a tierod on the WH#1 bypass had the 14mm OEMS....knock on wood, I have never broken/bent one.:flipoff2:

Shadow man

10-10-2007, 05:06 PM

Nice photochops. :smokin: :flipoff2:

Boss HossH2

10-11-2007, 10:39 AM

Why didn't you make a thread about your grocery getter owning Fordyce? :p

I would love to get out there sometime. :(

Thats what the 2's are for...they have a much larger grocery capacity.:D Trail looks like a good time but im not so sure about the snow.

HardcorewannabeXJ

10-11-2007, 10:48 AM

Someone needs to find the picture of the H1 getting owned at the river crossing on fordyce please. Who can't laugh at a $70k hummer getting swept down stream!?

SCHooch

10-11-2007, 11:12 AM

Trail looks like a good time but im not so sure about the snow.

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AtlantaK-5er

10-11-2007, 12:35 PM

Nice pics. The Fordyce Scenery OWNS Tellico Scenery!:grinpimp:

AtlantaK-5er

10-11-2007, 12:48 PM

Dammmmm, look at those huge tie rods. :eek: I bet you could never break one of those. :D

I have bent one and others have bent the center link b/c the fabtech tie rods are pretty darn strong and its next down the line. I havent heard of a fabtech actually breaking. The stock ones snap pretty commonly.

Alec W

10-11-2007, 02:59 PM

I have bent one and others have bent the center link b/c the fabtech tie rods are pretty darn strong and its next down the line. I havent heard of a fabtech actually breaking. The stock ones snap pretty commonly.
I wore out a set of fabtechs and know several other that have. I doubt you have any trails near you where it really matters :flipoff2:

NEOCON1

10-11-2007, 04:00 PM

Just curious.

I heard the boulder after the 2nd water crossing is a bitch.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/SCHooch1/Smiles/dunno.gif

LMAO :D:D

Sewie

10-11-2007, 08:52 PM

Just curious.

I heard the boulder after the 2nd water crossing is a bitch.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/SCHooch1/Smiles/dunno.gif

What boulder? Twas just a little rock. :flipoff2::laughing:

I'll tell you what though. That grey H3 is sexy. :p Especially since its not dripping diff fluid in any of those pics. :mad3:

Sewie

10-11-2007, 08:54 PM

Dammmmm, look at those huge tie rods. :eek: I bet you could never break one of those. :D

I can play horseshoes with one of mine after this trip. :eek::laughing:

AtlantaK-5er

10-11-2007, 09:33 PM

I wore out a set of fabtechs and know several other that have. I doubt you have any trails near you where it really matters :flipoff2:

What is your deal lately? I bend/wear out only one fabtech tie rod and somehow the east coast trails are unworthy because you wear out a whole set? :flipoff2:
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Have you heard of anyone breaking a fabtech?

Bebe

10-12-2007, 10:56 AM

Alan, he's has been to Moab like 9 times in the last two years, and really, what "wears" on a tierod? THE BALL JOINTS.

It's possible, and don't take it personally.:flipoff2:

H2 Rocks

10-12-2007, 01:05 PM

I have bent one and others have bent the center link b/c the fabtech tie rods are pretty darn strong and its next down the line. I havent heard of a fabtech actually breaking. The stock ones snap pretty commonly.
I've installed the Cognito Steering Kit, and it helps keep the centerlink from rocking as much when under pressure. (at least it's helped me and I've bent more tie rods than you or Alec ):D I've been to Arizona, Moab, and now Fordyce with the kit, and I love it. Keep in mind tho, that my torsion bars are set to stock. They used to be up about 1/2 an inch.

I was told to install the Cognito tie rods too, but I've heard mixed reviews about the Heim Joints. (sp?)

I really wish someone would come out with a kit to raise these things up 3 or 4 inches. One that won't break. Then I could reallly go places.:smokin:

Bebe

10-12-2007, 01:27 PM

Samco Fab

10-12-2007, 07:27 PM

I've installed the Cognito Steering Kit, and it helps keep the centerlink from rocking as much when under pressure. (at least it's helped me and I've bent more tie rods than you or Alec ):D I've been to Arizona, Moab, and now Fordyce with the kit, and I love it. Keep in mind tho, that my torsion bars are set to stock. They used to be up about 1/2 an inch.

I was told to install the Cognito tie rods too, but I've heard mixed reviews about the Heim Joints. (sp?)

I really wish someone would come out with a kit to raise these things up 3 or 4 inches. One that won't break. Then I could reallly go places.:smokin:

You have to be careful with an a arm suspension setup with raising the tie rod, it would add bump steer to a vehicle that already has some bump steer. The tie rod location is very important.

The giant tie rods that I built are still holding in there strong after 2 long pre runs, but they are not the easiest to adjust for alignment. They still look bitchin!

The fabricated idler is still working good. I cant wait to see how it all looks after 2 weeks in Baja for the pre run!
http://www.samcofabrication.com/gallery/d/468-2/Picture+194.jpg

Bebe

10-12-2007, 08:50 PM

Now that's a freakin Tie rod.....it's bigger than HOOCH!:flipoff2: And he's HUGE:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:

H2 Rocks

10-13-2007, 10:09 AM

HAHA!! Ask and ye shall receive!:D

Sam, I meant lifting the whole rig. A little more ground clearance would be sweet! Please tell me you're working on something like that....:D

Alec W

10-14-2007, 12:53 PM

Lyn, you should post that tie rod pic after Golden Spike. 4 in one day is still a record :D

Alan, the east coast thing was a joke but I was serious about all that owning crap you guys posted, that was lame.

dirtchicken

10-16-2007, 05:07 PM

You have to be careful with an a arm suspension setup with raising the tie rod, it would add bump steer to a vehicle that already has some bump steer. The tie rod location is very important.

The giant tie rods that I built are still holding in there strong after 2 long pre runs, but they are not the easiest to adjust for alignment. They still look bitchin!

The fabricated idler is still working good. I cant wait to see how it all looks after 2 weeks in Baja for the pre run!
http://www.samcofabrication.com/gallery/d/468-2/Picture+194.jpg

I'm not an H2/H3 person but please tell me that's not a tie rod off an H2.

Alec W

10-16-2007, 08:08 PM

I'm not an H2/H3 person but please tell me that's not a tie rod off an H2.

Yep and they snap easy. Easy problem to fix tho with HD tie-rods.

Alec W

10-16-2007, 08:12 PM

I believe the repost of all time demos this H2 tie-rod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70eyBmElkqY

I think I'm the only one who can get away with that repost ;)

Boss HossH2

10-16-2007, 08:22 PM

Alec W

10-16-2007, 08:27 PM

Typical arrogant Hummer owner :flipoff2: Classic flip flop.
My H2 (not a real Hummer) is for sale because I upgraded to a real 4x4 :flipoff2:

SCHooch

10-16-2007, 09:07 PM

it's bigger than HOOCH!:flipoff2: And he's HUGE:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:

Word!

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SCHooch

10-16-2007, 09:13 PM

I believe the repost of all time demos this H2 tie-rod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70eyBmElkqY

Thats the exact vid I thought of when Bebe told me about their Fordyce carnage.

Let me ask you guys this. If your still under warranty will GM/Hummer cover a tie rod that you walk in with? Or do you have to tow it in broke?

Nate C

10-16-2007, 09:30 PM

I believe the repost of all time demos this H2 tie-rod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70eyBmElkqY

I think I'm the only one who can get away with that repost ;)

That's some funny chit....light duty tie-rod. Nice creativity on the replacement but I don't like that Z-bend in the rod either. I'll take a little bump-steer instead.

Bebe

10-16-2007, 11:18 PM

Thats the exact vid I thought of when Bebe told me about their Fordyce carnage.

Let me ask you guys this. If your still under warranty will GM/Hummer cover a tie rod that you walk in with? Or do you have to tow it in broke?

They do not cover tie rods,

But they covered my t-case and rear diff! Get the truck back next week!!

They covered Sewies front diff too!

DON'T HATE!:flipoff2:

Bebe

10-16-2007, 11:19 PM

That's some funny chit....light duty tie-rod. Nice creativity on the replacement but I don't like that Z-bend in the rod either. I'll take a little bump-steer instead.

Why don't you like the Z bend???

Sewie

10-17-2007, 12:21 AM

They covered Sewies front diff too!

Not yet they haven't. :mad3:

dirtchicken

10-17-2007, 12:10 PM

They do not cover tie rods,

But they covered my t-case and rear diff! Get the truck back next week!!

What's the story with that??

Bebe

10-17-2007, 12:14 PM

dirtchicken

10-17-2007, 12:19 PM

:DE-locker has not been functioning since my last Moab trip back in April, Fordyce just finished the job. T-case drive sprocket was missing several teeth.

I don't know how that happened, but they are repairing it at no cost. To me.

The truck did get me off the trail.:D

Wonderfull. My best friend is a tech at the Hummer stealership here. I got a broken camshaft from an H2 with 20,000 miles on it that he gave me. He just replaced an entire rear axle on a brand new H2 that came with a bent axle from the factory. Glad to see GM did their homework on these things.:flipoff2:

HardcorewannabeXJ

10-17-2007, 12:42 PM

What's the story with that??

Drivetrain warranty. Drivetrain or bumper to bumper doesn't cover wearable parts like oil changes, brakes, tires, TRE's??

dirtchicken

10-17-2007, 06:30 PM

Drivetrain warranty. Drivetrain or bumper to bumper doesn't cover wearable parts like oil changes, brakes, tires, TRE's??

I was refering to the transfer case and rear differential.:shaking:

Bebe

10-17-2007, 06:49 PM

I just came back from the dealership and snapped some pics of my broken junk, I'll post them up in a few.

Samco Fab

10-17-2007, 07:42 PM

Wonderfull. My best friend is a tech at the Hummer stealership here. I got a broken camshaft from an H2 with 20,000 miles on it that he gave me. He just replaced an entire rear axle on a brand new H2 that came with a bent axle from the factory. Glad to see GM did their homework on these things.:flipoff2:

We race a whole season on a stone stock production H2 rear axle, stock carrier, gears, axles no truss with 37's. We flog the crap out of it, and we are one of the only Stock Full rigs out there with no rear axle truss. We dont have rear end troubles. The rear axle is pretty strong, the E locker seems to be the weakest point, it breaks the cross shaft when locked. It has weak points, but every truck also has them.

We have 2.5 race seasons with endless hours on the rev limiter on a stock 6 liter LQ9 engine, no problems. The engines are by far the best in the buisness, almost the same as the LS1, LS2, LS6 etc... very reliable, lightweight engines, read any current issue of any Hot Rod magazine.

In the last couple of years, we have been the fastest production vehicle at Parker, Vegas to Reno, Nevada 1000, and the Baja 1000 (we won the last 2 years) GM did there homework:flipoff2:

Bebe

10-17-2007, 07:57 PM

:flipoff2:YEAH!!! GM did their homework!!!:flipoff2:

Bebe

10-17-2007, 08:18 PM

Time for carnage :D

Truck on rack.....nekkid.

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Guts spilled out on workbench

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The hole in her soul...

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Missing teeth on Drive gear and driven gear

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Gear damage inside of t-case

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Completely rounded off and a couple of ground down e-locker pin thingys

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Alec W

10-18-2007, 11:50 AM

Let me ask you guys this. If your still under warranty will GM/Hummer cover a tie rod that you walk in with? Or do you have to tow it in broke?
With H2s:

It's not worth even asking GM since they only cost ~$25. Most people either upgrade to fabteck HD or carry a spare.

Samco Fab

10-18-2007, 12:05 PM

With H2s:

It's not worth even asking GM since they only cost ~$25. Most people either upgrade to fabteck HD or carry a spare.

The factory tie rods are weak, but we dont break them racing unless we have a really worn out Idler arm, or we have some sort of racing "incident" that puts a big load in the steering.

I look at the wimpy tie rods as steering fuses that pop before something harder to replace breaks. At the Baja 500 this year we changed one on course in about 9 minutes from stop to going again. That is much faster than a steering box or Idler arm, which would have broken in the same "incident" with another race vehicle/ passing/ side of mountain/ oh shit situation.

That day I thanked GM for weak ass tie rods

Alec W

10-18-2007, 12:59 PM

The factory tie rods are weak, but we dont break them racing unless we have a really worn out Idler arm, or we have some sort of racing "incident" that puts a big load in the steering.

I look at the wimpy tie rods as steering fuses that pop before something harder to replace breaks. At the Baja 500 this year we changed one on course in about 9 minutes from stop to going again. That is much faster than a steering box or Idler arm, which would have broken in the same "incident" with another race vehicle/ passing/ side of mountain/ oh shit situation.

That day I thanked GM for weak ass tie rods
That maybe true for racing and high speed applications but the fuse theory was disproven a long time ago for regular wheeling. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve see stock tie-rods bend or snap (25 I’d guess). Virtually everyone I know via forums that go off road swap to fabtech HD tie-rods after their first break. I’ve never read or seen a single upstream problem cause by the upgrade.

Idler/pitman arms are another story. I go through at least one set a year.

The general consensus it that the stock tie-rods are just too thin (GM parts bin and cheap) and they need to be replaced unless you stay on the pavement.

It’s actually kind of funny when the group I wheel with take newbie’s out to Moab. Inevitably someone breaks one and starts stressing. 4 or 5 people then offer up their spares and 10 minutes later they are back on the trail with a nice little souvenir. We get the alignment right most of the time too now ;)

Samco Fab

10-18-2007, 02:27 PM

That maybe true for racing and high speed applications but the fuse theory was disproven a long time ago for regular wheeling. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve see stock tie-rods bend or snap (25 I’d guess). Virtually everyone I know via forums that go off road swap to fabtech HD tie-rods after their first break. I’ve never read or seen a single upstream problem cause by the upgrade.

Idler/pitman arms are another story. I go through at least one set a year.

The general consensus it that the stock tie-rods are just too thin (GM parts bin and cheap) and they need to be replaced unless you stay on the pavement.

It’s actually kind of funny when the group I wheel with take newbie’s out to Moab. Inevitably someone breaks one and starts stressing. 4 or 5 people then offer up their spares and 10 minutes later they are back on the trail with a nice little souvenir. We get the alignment right most of the time too now ;)

I do agree that they need to be upgraded, that is why I built those giant tie rods pictured at the top of the page. In Stock Full class, you cant change the tie rods, or upgrade them. We dont just run high speed stuff, especially in Baja there is "rockcrawling sections that are pretty much as bad as all but a couple of spots on the Rubicon. You can learn to take care of the stock tie rods with rockcrawling, and a lot of people have run the Rubicon without breaking the stock ones, you just have to be smooth and easy on the steering and not let tires spin up and catch. They are very small and wimpy, no doubt about that.

I dont think H2's is much of a Rubicon or Fordice type of vehicle, they are a bit on the big side. I would want the H3 myself for that stuff, more fun on trails, but not as fast of a pre runner, but still a fun all around rig!!

HardcorewannabeXJ

10-19-2007, 09:25 AM

I would want the H3 myself for that stuff, more fun on trails, but not as fast of a pre runner, but still a fun all around rig!!

You mean there is no future H3Alpha Pre-runner???

Disappointing :grinpimp:

AtlantaK-5er

10-19-2007, 02:15 PM

I have heard of the center link bending on lifted H2's that have the Fab techs in extereme situations. Also, my Idler and Pitman arms wore out in 20K miles , but the dealer warrantied them and I added the cognito pitman/idler reinforcement kit to them. So far so good. It took about one hour to install them, and I am at 40K now, all is tight.

tomp

10-19-2007, 09:15 PM

H2Rocks, you might look at that Cognito 2-3" leveling kit. It might get you where you want to be.

I upgraded my TRs to the Fabtech HDs and added the Cognito Pitman/Idler kit as it doesn't allow the CL to get into crazy positions. Been through several UCP rebuilds so far and them beefed them up somewhat sturdier and no more tie rod issue through all of this.

Currently opening my diffs to swap to 4.56 gears and dropping in front locker while in there. I should have it back together next week. Taking time as I should be receiving a new dual core radiator this week as well to keep temps under control.

H2 Rocks

10-20-2007, 05:56 PM

H2Rocks, you might look at that Cognito 2-3" leveling kit. It might get you where you want to be.
Thanks tomp, I'll look into it. I have the Cognito Steering supports also, and it really helps the centerlink issues. I was very skeptical at first, but it's been on for over 6 months and I haven't had to replace any steering gear yet.:smokin: