Anyone running them?

Anyone want to sell me a set?

Anyone ever seen a set in the US?

Doubt it but I have to ask.

Ron

Misc pieces of british crap

What are Volvo Portals? Neva heard of them...Are they like a Lithium Crystal or flux capacitor. <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by evilfij:
<STRONG>Anyone running them?</STRONG>

Nope<STRONG>

Anyone want to sell me a set?

</STRONG>

Nope<STRONG>

Anyone ever seen a set in the US?</STRONG>

Nope<STRONG>


Doubt it but I have to ask.</STRONG>

Nope<STRONG>

Ron

Misc pieces of british crap</STRONG>

Welcome newby <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

TEX

They are portal axles from a C 303 Volvo forward control truck. Often referred to as a laplander. Do some sniffing and you will see the advantages (for one they are made by a subsidiary of dana and would be compatible with D60 stuff). The rear dif location is weird but what I need for my application.

No I am not kidding.

I need a set for one of my peices of british crap.

Ron

Originally posted by evilfij:
<STRONG>They are portal axles from a C 303 Volvo forward control truck. Often referred to as a laplander. Do some sniffing and you will see the advantages (for one they are made by a subsidiary of dana and would be compatible with D60 stuff). The rear dif location is weird but what I need for my application.

No I am not kidding.

I need a set for one of my peices of british crap.

Ron</STRONG>A newbie that knows how to post! Welcome <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
Get a picture of a some and post them. Some people are using Mog portal axles but havent heard about the Volvo ones. They sound sweet.

http://www.teli.stadia.fi/~jjsalone/raisio-hondajep2.jpg
Is this them?

Originally posted by Eddie Mcstiff:
[QBIs this them?[/QB]

Yep. Don't know where you would go abotu finding a set though.

http://www.xtremeaxle.com <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">

Is this what they come in?
http://www.4wdonline.com/Volvo/PiCs37/c303.01.jpg

Originally posted by ncwheeler:
<STRONG>http://www.xtremeaxle.com <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Now that is cool:


http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/axle-backside.jpg

Looks like the U-joint is before the reduction, and it looks like you could make a flange to bolt those knuckles to any axle. Any idea how rare and/or expensive these thigs are?

[ 10-25-2001: Message edited by: Grandpa_Jeep ]

i am pretty sure that i need aset of those. i might be willing to swap some rockwells and some cash,please

There's a discussion going on about those things on the SRC site, under the 1 ton forum, something like "bet you can't name this axle".

Pete

//home.swipnet.se/~w-128002/matsprototyp.htm

Something like this.

Now you all non rover people don't want them as the rear axle has the dif offset the one above has two fronts I think

Makes everything else look like crap. ie you think you are hard core and you see something like that

There are a bunch in malaysia I am trying to buy as well as a bunch in Sweden and Norway. However, no one will sell me them without the rest of the truck and most of the trucks are <25 years old so no way to import. Going rate for a complete truck is 5k or so in Sweden. A junker they rust like crazy is about half that.

They would look great under my POS Range Rover.

Saw a 1963ish 109 on them with 35in Simex and it was styling.

Ron

Misc pieces of british crap

Originally posted by Old Scout:
<STRONG>KILL that monster PIC!

</STRONG>

Sorry Old Scout, fixed.

Originally posted by Grandpa_Jeep:
<STRONG>Looks like the U-joint is before the reduction, and it looks like you could make a flange to bolt those knuckles to any axle.</STRONG>

You should be bale to bolt the knuckles to any axle if you made an appropriate flange but from what I've read these axle have like 2.73s in the diff....all the redcution is at the hubs. I think it would be sweet for soemone to take a D60 and put these on there. Lots of work but it would kick ass <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Interesting reading on the SRC board. Finally figured out what SRC stood for.

We kinda went over this on the D90 list about 6-8months ago. What is the market price for a set of C303 axles? I have enough leads in sweden to maybe have my importer make a dedicated trip.

For more pics did up the land rover mags covering the malaysian challenge a couple years ago. There is a nice pic of the 109 upside down showing the drive train which was all early 60s stock rover, save the axles.

The axles litterally bolted right up. The flange on the pinion looks to be a rover driveshaft bolt pattern as well.

This is why I want them. The mog axles are probably a much better idea for non rover types or some similar application, but these will make my british crap happy.

As far as modding them I am pretty sure they were made by salisbury which is owned by dana. Earlier laplanders had D44 clones, not D60 clones and I was told the interals in the 303 dif of the were compatible with D60 parts but have not confirmed.

Ron

Originally posted by BabyWrangle:
<STRONG>You should be bale to bolt the knuckles to any axle if you made an appropriate flange but from what I've read these axle have like 2.73s in the diff....all the redcution is at the hubs. I think it would be sweet for soemone to take a D60 and put these on there. Lots of work but it would kick ass <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

I wouldn't think you would need a D60. Most of the reduction is in the knuckles, get yourself a D30, truss it and go. Not to mention, you would have even better clearance.

Originally posted by evilfij:
<STRONG>Interesting reading on the SRC board. Finally figured out what SRC stood for.</STRONG>

Where is the SRC board, and what does SRC stand for?

SRC= Sierra Rock Crawlers
Their site is www.sierrarockcrawlers.com (http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com)

Sean

[ 10-25-2001: Message edited by: Station ]

Originally posted by BabyWrangle:
<STRONG>...from what I've read these axle have like 2.73s in the diff....all the redcution is at the hubs. I think it would be sweet for soemone to take a D60 and put these on there. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Dana 60s were available with 3.08s. They came in the early Dodge Cummins trucks with the 727 trans.

Pete

Originally posted by Grandpa_Jeep:
<STRONG>Now that is cool:


http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/axle-backside.jpg

Looks like the U-joint is before the reduction, and it looks like you could make a flange to bolt those knuckles to any axle. Any idea how rare and/or expensive these thigs are?

[ 10-25-2001: Message edited by: Grandpa_Jeep ]</STRONG>

That company is selling them for 7900 front and rear. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> Supposed to be equal to a 6.17 gear. Be nice to be able to just get from the flange out.

Hey Chris what type of u-joint does it use? Also how big is the axle shafts? Or have you guys not been in there yet.

chris, do they have a ujoint or a birfield?

Originally posted by Donovan:
<STRONG>Hey Chris what type of u-joint does it use? Also how big is the axle shafts? Or have you guys not been in there yet.</STRONG>

LOL

Pretty funky stuff, I will admit...

Some concerns, though. Like what's up with the pinion being right on the axle centerline? Makes me wonder how the R&P could possibly be helical-cut gears. If they're straight-cut, they'll be weaker and (I think) noisier. The gears look pretty teeny as it is. Even with the portal reduction, they're still pretty small.

U-joint or CV joints at the knuckles? If you break one, can you replace it without pulling the whole knuckle off? Looks iffy to me.

Disc brake conversion??? Spare parts $$$?

Has anyone out there put Hummer portals onto a solid axle, like a flipped D44 or whatever? I'd sure love to see that...

Chris

I hope you caught the vandals that painted those.

I don't know what type of gears it runs as we have not opened them up yet. They don't have disk brakes, but on the trail I don't think it's much of an issue. I don't think your going to use an axle like this on the freeway much.

The axles look very much like a 30 spline Toyota axles and yes it uses birfield type joints. The joint is above the 2 to 1 reduction so it should be twice as strong.

[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: Chris Geiger ]

Originally posted by Chris Geiger:
<STRONG>All Pro has these axles in stock right now ready to go. The front and rear set runs $7,900. </STRONG>

OUCH!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> Why are they so expensive?? Are we talking major import duties? Or is it the fact that they will bolt right into many rigs with no modifications when Mog axles won't? I know Mog axles are way more affordable and many of them are imported also I believe. I'm not saying your trying to rip people off cause your not the only people selling them for that price, I was just curious. <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">

They are rebuilt units and It's expensive to get them here from Europe.

OK, I live in Estonia and here we have quite a lot of those C303 rigs and those portal axles. They are easy to retrieve from Sweden or Finland, since Estonia is right besides those two countries. The price around here is $830-$2000 for a pair of those axles. Normal price is around $1000. They are air-locked with 6,x ratio, so quite a good option for the off-roader. Worst part is that the spares are hard to get if not impossible.

If any interest, then I could check the transportation cost to US.

Way to go allpro! Its about time someone got a set of these or two.

What are the details?

How wide?
What about wheels?
How much is the diff offset?

later <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0">

I think they are cool but aren't nearly as good as the Mog axles. The Mog axles have 1480 sized CV steering joints, the front and rear shafts are 35mm just a hair bigger then 1.5", have a 3.545 to 1 gear ratio and 2.13 to 1 portal gear reduction. Total gearing is 7.56 to 1 2500US for a pair of these in excellent condition and pinions converted with any style drive flange. Only ever had about 10 000 miles on them. I am working on some high steer arms and my disc brake kit will be finished up in a couple months. They are the best bang for the buck, and you get 6.25" more clearence then a Dana 60 too.

[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: taradon ]

Originally posted by taradon:
<STRONG>2500US for a pair of these in excellent condition and pinions converted with any style drive flange. Only ever had about 10,000 miles on them. </STRONG>
Who sells these?

[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: Eddie Mcstiff ]

Ha! You got the gear ratios wrong and the axle shaft diameter wrong! What else? <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">

Follow Me If You Can!

Originally posted by taradon:
<STRONG>I think they are cool but aren't nearly as good as the Mog axles. The Mog axles have 1480 sized CV steering joints, the front and rear shafts are just a hair bigger then 1.5", have a 3.73 to 1 gear ratio and 2 to 1 portal gear reduction. 2500US for a pair of these in excellent condition and pinions converted with any style drive flange. Only ever had about 10 000 miles on them. I am working on some high steer arms and my disc brake kit will be finished up in a couple months. They are the best bang for the buck, and you get 6.25" more clearence then a Dana 60 too.</STRONG>

Originally posted by cwate:
<STRONG>
Has anyone out there put Hummer portals onto a solid axle, like a flipped D44 or whatever? I'd sure love to see that...

</STRONG>

Not with Hummer portals, but a buddy of mine did buy an OLD mud racing chassis that had custom 9" front & rear done with 2:1 portals (had 3.50's in the diffy's). Kind of a shame the portal popularity in rock crawling hadn't caught on yet. Pretty sure he got less than $1,500 for the entire chassis when he decided it was too tall & sold it off.


TEX

taradon, I wouldent be intrested for at least a year. How much heavier than 60's are mogs? MOGXJ <IMG SRC="smilies/rasta.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0">

In the Manual on them it says they are 480lbs for a front and 440lbs for a rear. This is lighter then a 60, most likely because they don't use any cast on them.

Originally posted by taradon:
<STRONG>In the Manual on them it says they are 480lbs for a front and 440lbs for a rear. This is lighter then a 60, most likely because they don't use any cast on them.</STRONG>

Intresting, very intresting :scheeming: <IMG SRC="smilies/idea.gif" border="0">

So what kinda price are we looking at for a front Mog axle?

Hold the phone.

Can we build these out of a standard 60 center section? If we could build our own version of a REAR unit. we could just have to buy the fronts.

Rear unit couldn't be that tough could it?
just use the pumkin of your choice. and retube it and then figure out that drop thingy. This would be great in short wheelbase vehicles for driveline problems.

The Fronts go for 1375US per axle. Try and build a 60 with ARB for that much?

Originally posted by taradon:
<STRONG>The Fronts go for 1375US per axle. Try and build a 60 with ARB for that much?</STRONG>


Where do I buy one for $1375.00 US?

If it only cost that Does it have an Air locker? Or am I only getting a shell?
Where did you get this information?
Can I buy one new?
Or is it used?
Where are they made?
Where can I get replacement parts when My guys blow them up?

<IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">

Cocky? Mebbe. At least I know what I'm talking about. Taradon, I see you edited your post and fixed it. Good thing I quoted it, eh. Did the ratios change from 2 and 3.73, to 2.13 and 3.545 overnight, or were you just wrong?

BTW, I dunno about your math, but my calculator says 35mm is 1.38 inches, and 1.38 inches is less than 1.5! And my buddy's measured to 1.35 inches. Kinda like a stock Dana 44 or a 9", ain't it? Wonder if you measure your mileage and wear&tear on the axles the same way?

Would I buy these diffys modified by a guy who doesn't even know what he's selling? Nope. A $5 part mebbe, but not a $1300 part. If you can't get the portal and diffy ratios right, then anyone wanna bet if you got the pinion and other mod's right?

Yeah I know, "get a life". But I betcha when Currie sells you a diff with 1.5 inch axle shafts a 5.38 gears, they're actually going to be 1.5 inch axle shafts and 5.38:1 gears.

Follow Me If You Can!

Originally posted by taradon:
<STRONG>Hey follow me, what the hell are you talking about? I am talking about Mog axles are you? The gear ratio is damn close to 7.46 to 1, some people say the portal ends have like a 2.12 to 1 ratio but I have heard mostly 2 to 1. As for the Axle shaft I have pulled the rears personally and seen and measured them, the splines and larger then neck down to just over 1.5". As for the fronts they look bigger where they come out of the housing and into the CV and then taper to about 1.5" inch then go into the same spline as the rear which is a coarse 8 spline. Anything else? read the post carfully first would you.
By the way Eddie Mcstiff I sell these axles.

[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: taradon ]</STRONG>

I have two different computers and all my info was on the other computer, and I was in a hurry, I did edit my post, I just threw out the #'s that were on the top of my head, to give an example. I had a miscalculatin on the shafts.
Quit nit picking and find something else to do.