Canyon west of the lake bed

[JR]

What do you guys think? Can it be done?

[Tool Pimp]

what lakebed Means, Soggy???

It can always be done if you got the balls..............................

[zcarczar]

When I get my junk back together I will try it, just need some other buggies to go with me.

[Scott@Rockstomper]

West of Means, I think about 1/4 mile south of Resolution.

[fj40forlife]

why? whats wrong with it. just wounding. Hard trails? or what

[Beat95YJ]

Sure. I'll drive the Bronco (Yours) No sweat. :flipoff2:

I would like the full coverage, no deductible insurance plan though!

[Scott@Rockstomper]

why? whats wrong with it. just wounding. Hard trails? or what

In my best John Cleese voice: Very small rocks.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=301501&stc=1&d=1177908352

Fun stuff. :)

[JR]

The canyon is steep and raw, but a person could weave his way through it.
The biggest problem is it's length. It just goes on and on.

[Scott@Rockstomper]

I think it can be done, it's just really raw. Not unlike the continuation of Hwy 20, but I'm pretty sure this one's a lot longer.

[Mustard Dog]

Is there an exit, or is it up and back?

[JR]

Eric, I think there is an exit. We drove most of the way up the first "hill" and then hiked.
The first hill seems to be about 1/4 of the total distance from what we could see.
After cresting the first hill, the canyon opens up considerably into a vast, upwards shelf with three possible exits. I say possible because the theoretical exits are a long way off and hard to judge as far as being drivable.
The three exits would be right, straight and left. Scott thought the right path might be possible, which would direct you towards resolution. I didn't think it was doable. Going straight looked a little easier and to the right looked the easiest (although the right path veered to right far enough that it was out of sight and we couldn't see the actual exit)
It's hard to get a good reading because of the vast distances.

It would be nice to do a full hike to the top to plan a route up and over. Driving back down the first "hill" was pretty hairy and I wouldn't want to do it again.

[Scott@Rockstomper]

Eric, I think there is an exit. We drove most of the way up the first "hill" and then hiked.
The first hill seems to be about 1/4 of the total distance from what we could see.
After cresting the first hill, the canyon opens up considerably into a vast, upwards shelf with three possible exits. I say possible because the theoretical exits are a long way off and hard to judge as far as being drivable.
The three exits would be right, straight and left. Scott thought the right path might be possible, which would direct you towards resolution. I didn't think it was doable. Going straight looked a little easier and to the right looked the easiest (although the right path veered to right far enough that it was out of sight and we couldn't see the actual exit)
It's hard to get a good reading because of the vast distances.

It would be nice to do a full hike to the top to plan a route up and over. Driving back down the first "hill" was pretty hairy and I wouldn't want to do it again.

I think the right is also possible, but it puts you coming down the next northward draw, which has a 12-ish-foot-vert drop about halfway down it, in the middle of a fairly open steep slope. I don't have the stones to drop a 12-foot-vert, particularly not when there's nothing to stop me from taking a three-turn tumble to the bottom, so that vert rules the right path out for me unless it's "remodeled".

Straight, I think, goes up the ridge to the top of the draw that the bomb was found in on Resolution a couple years back. I'm not sure, I didn't hike to the top, but it's way way way steep and loose, and coming down the bomb chute into Resolution would be hairy at best--one bad slip, and you're tumbling top to bottom.

Left goes up a wide open canyon that (I think) will eventually meet up with the exit from Resolution. The canyon is long, probably a half mile or more, and not terribly steep, but it's full of rocks that look to me like somebody just threw in a whole bunch of refrigerator boxes. Really blocky, all big rock, no filler. It looks workable to me, but it'll take a while to pick through. Of the three, I think the left route would be best.

Dustin has said that from Google Earth and topo map work, he believes the left route does indeed eventually connect to the exit from Resolution, but that descending from the ridge that it crosses at the top, is in the mile-ish neighborhood, and it's all loose 45-degree-ish sidehill.

I'd like to walk the whole route with a GPS before going back in there again, just to find out where it goes (if anywhere) and what the exit is like--driving back down the first stretch was rough, driving down through the refrigerator-box canyon would be worse (I think) and getting to the top only to realize that there is no way back but to turn around and come back down, would be miserable. But, the day we went in there, it was 114 on the lakebed, and there's no shade anywhere out there, plus we had six people and maybe a dozen bottles of water among us.

[zcarczar]

I'll be out there this weekend and I should have some time saturday to hike the trail, I'll grab my GPS and camera and take it with me to try and map it out. Im not gonna have the buggy so I wont be doing any driving up the trail but I should be able to get through a lot of it. I will report back.

[Tim Florian]

I think it's doable and plan on making a run at it Thanksgiving day. I want to start early. Ive only been up there at night, but I got up the first section pretty quickly. I only had one rig (Hobie in his f-toy) with me and he broke an axle so we had to turn around. There is actually two seperate canyons right next to each other that look doable. It would be nice to see the topical image and to know exactly where were gonna end up. I think it would be awesome if it could take us to the top of Resolution. That would be a fun loop!!

[Tim Florian]

I'll be out there this weekend and I should have some time saturday to hike the trail, I'll grab my GPS and camera and take it with me to try and map it out. Im not gonna have the buggy so I wont be doing any driving up the trail but I should be able to get through a lot of it. I will report back.

That info will be very helpfull!

[zcarczar]

Does anybody have the GPS coordinates of the entrance? I've been on google earth trying to find the entrance and from what I found it looks like its off the wash that heads into Back door, I'm assuming this is correct?

[Scott@Rockstomper]

I'm trying unsuccessfully to locate Backdoor and Resolution on Google Earth; if I can confidently find them, I'm pretty sure I can MSPaint the canyon we're talking about onto a sattelite image.

A couple years ago, EW4C put together a sattelite pic with most of the known common trails of the time, their GPS coordinates of start and end, etc., and handed it out at the Jambo. I'm pretty sure that it was, at some point, posted on PBB too... does anybody have it handy?

[Tim Florian]

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=&city=Lucerne%20Valley&state=CA&zipcode=&country=US&geodiff=1


Using mapquest I was able to locate backdoor/resolution very easy. I just can't figure out to save the picture that's on myscreen so I can mark it up?

[Scott@Rockstomper]

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=&city=Lucerne%20Valley&state=CA&zipcode=&country=US&geodiff=1


Using mapquest I was able to locate backdoor/resolution very easy. I just can't figure out to save the picture that's on myscreen so I can mark it up?

Tim, I believe Control-Printscreen will copy it to your clipboard, then open Paint and select Edit...Paste and it'll stick it into Paint.

[Tim Florian]

The yellow circle is backdoor. If I zoom any closer you won't be able to see the whole mountain range. But if you show me where you think it is I can try to do a better image at the next zoom level

[mobil1syn]

http://www.extremewheelers4christ.org/map1.html

this has gps for back door and resolution

[desertoy]

What yellow circle?

[Tim Florian]

I am sorry I am not very good with Paint:laughing: eat shit:flipoff2:

[Scott@Rockstomper]

OK, I think I've got it.

http://www.rockstomper.com/images/trails/johnsonvalley/westcanyon02.JPG

Aqua is Backdoor/Resolution, I think, based on the EW4C map I found. The A thumbtack is Google Earth's "Means Dry Lake" location.
Red, I believe, is the west canyon that JR, Val, and I went into last spring.
Green is the right exit; about halfway down, is a big vert drop.
Yellow is what I thought at the time was the climb up over the ridge into where the bomb was found on Resolution a couple years ago.
Blue is the left turn up the refrigerator-box canyon.

Blue stops at about the point at which (guessing from aerial view) I couldn't see how much more canyon there was past there.

Here's farther zoomed-in, with my own Paint scribbles on it (colors match, no BD/Res colored in):

http://www.rockstomper.com/images/trails/johnsonvalley/westcanyon01.JPG

If I zoom in much farther, the resolution turns to garbage.

JR, am I even reasonably close to where we were, do you think?

Edit: Aqua is what it shows up as on my laptop; on this desktop (crud box) aqua and green are the same color. Hopefully this makes sense to others.

[JeepRecoveryTeam]

There are two different canyons... the one on the left is the one you guys are talking about. It start out fairly flat but down in a crack and then opens up. I have not driven that one. The one on the right starts out with two BIG climbs and a third one loose one between them. I made it most of the way up the third with no rear locker but it was getting ugly quick.

I think there are better exit options on the left canyon. I'll be out there next weekend.

d

[JR]

I think the yellow line should be a little to the south. Heck, I don't know, it's hard to tell.
When looking at the straight forward exit, I had my eyes on the lowest path.
Anyway, when Tim gets up there, it should become more obvious.
We may be talking about different canyons, too. I didn't see any tire tracks (except some at the very beginning) on the canyon rocks we went up.

It might be interesting to drive around to the south end and see where the right exit would come out.
:edit: doh, I meant the left exit!

[Scott@Rockstomper]

Keith said the next time he's out there, he'll head up to the top of Resolution and take a wander from there, see what he sees.

I agree that it'd be cool to take a drive (man, I gotta get a bigger gas tank) around the rock outcrop that contains Backdoor, Resolution, and this one, with a GPS, just to see how big it really is on the ground, and what the south/southwest side where nobody but the motorcyclists seem to go, is like. I'll bet there's more interesting stuff over there, just waiting for somebody to discover it.

[NoBrainR]

Try these view's, from Google earth. You can fly around the whole hill.

[Tim Florian]

I think this pic shows the two canyons I'm talking about.

The teal circleish thing represents back door.

the red line is the trail that Hobie and I started working on one night (I think)

The purple line is the other one that I think people were playing on the same weekend.

[Scott@Rockstomper]

I think this pic shows the two canyons I'm talking about.

The teal circleish thing represents back door.

the red line is the trail that Hobie and I started working on one night (I think)

The purple line is the other one that I think people were playing on the same weekend.

I think the purple line is where Dave and Bender were playing around on Sunday morning of the Jambo weekend.

I think the red line is where JR, Val, and I went on Sunday-late-morning.

If you look closely at the pic, you can kinda see a secondary draw going up to the left from the top of the red line, which I believe is the refrigerator-box canyon. From the vertical view sattelite pics, it looks like that canyon goes all the way across the mountain, but knowing how rough it was on the side we went up, I wouldn't want to get to the other side and find out that it's worse coming down that side.

[Tim Florian]

If someone is going to go walk it, it would be nice to know that if you got through the box canyon, if you could just ride the ridge down as shown. The other option that would be cool would be to go up the left canyon and down the right one (if it's doable)

[Tim Florian]

Looking at this pisture of the other side of the mountain. It looks like it could quite possiblly end up at the top of resolution. (teal circle)

[NoBrainR]

Here's a better look at the top of resolution

[NoBrainR]

One more

[Tim Florian]

:eek: Wow, looks like the bail out is gonna be gnarly, no matter which way you go. Looks like the only option is riding the ridge down. Can't wait to find out!

[Scott@Rockstomper]

The right turn down the next canyon over, if you've got the stones for the drop in the middle, is probably doable. That's the one with the twelve-foot vert halfway up, that I won't drop. A lot of rock stacking or some big-rock tumbling, and it'd be a fun little play area, but as it is, IMO, that wall is a show stopper. If you opt to try that route, please, for your own safety, walk it first.

From the aerial, it looks like if you hook left up the refrigerator-box canyon, go around a quarter mile or so up it, there's a draw off to the right of that, that goes up to the ridge. Dunno if that draw is passable, or whatever, but it'd be cool if you could ride the ridgeline all the way back around, kinda like the ridgeline run on the east end of Jack, Claw, etc.

[JR]

Awsome pics! The whole area makes more since now.
It looks like it would be cool to get up on the ridge one way or another, and head toward resolution.

[Scott@Rockstomper]

Y'know, the way to explore this might just be to get up onto the ridge from the lakebed, and run the ridge as far as you can and just "survey" everything you can see from up there.

[NoBrainR]

Awsome pics! The whole area makes more since now.
It looks like it would be cool to get up on the ridge one way or another, and head toward resolution.

Those are not "true" pictures, but rather computer enhancements of satelite imagery. They are fairly accurate, but if you know the area and compare it to the images, you can see what I mean.

If you have a good internet link, not dial up, go to google earth and download the program. It is amazing. It's almost as good as being able to fly the area in a helicopter. If you get the paid program, I'd imagine it's even better. These pics are from the free version.

[rsqne1]

Those pics get me all "Ansy in the pantsy...".:D:D:D I can;t wait to see how this turns out...

[JR]

Ok, I've flown around it a bunch. (damn cool!)
IMO, the right canyon ( the purple line in Tim's pic) is the best bet. Just go straight up the canyon. Maybe easier said then done, but from my computer chair, it *looks* like the best rout to the ridge.
Not sure about how steep it is coming down the back side into resolution, though.

Interesting, HWY 20 has it's own icon.
FOL is also declared a trail? WTF? LOL. I guess if a couple people can drive/winch up some canyon they can declare it a trail, name it and send a pic to Google earth.



You would think there would be an icon for Sledge Hammer, a trail that people actually put a lot of hard work into building.

[mobil1syn]

Ok, I've flown around it a bunch. (damn cool!)
IMO, the right canyon ( the purple line in Tim's pic) is the best bet. Just go straight up the canyon. Maybe easier said then done, but from my computer chair, it *looks* like the best rout to the ridge.
Not sure about how steep it is coming down the back side into resolution, though.

Interesting, HWY 20 has it's own icon.
FOL is also declared a trail? WTF? LOL. I guess if a couple people can drive/winch up some canyon they can declare it a trail, name it and send a pic to Google earth.



You would think there would be an icon for Sledge Hammer, a trail that people actually put a lot of hard work into building.
are you just typing in the trail name its showing up?

[JR]

I used the gps coordinates in the above pic to locate Back Door/ Res. Then flew around the Hammers checking it out. I dig the tilt feature!
You can see the thumb tacks and then click on them.

[Tim Florian]

I used the gps coordinates in the above pic to locate Back Door/ Res. Then flew around the Hammers checking it out. I dig the tilt feature!
You can see the thumb tacks and then click on them.

Are you using the free service? If so can you post a link so I can play to. I want to ewheel:laughing:

[NoBrainR]

http://earth.google.com/

[JR]

Are you using the free service? If so can you post a link so I can play to. I want to ewheel:laughing:

http://earth.google.com/
Then go to downloads. You'll go through a series of prompts at the end You will see a pic of the world from about 6,800 mi.
Right down the coordinates above and start zooming in to them. As you zoom in , look for Apple valley. This will get ya close.

[Tim Florian]

That is very very cool. Kinda makes you sick if you fly around for too long thogh:laughing: The cool thing that I nticed is if you move the little hand around the screen you get eleavtions at the bottom. I played with it on the new trail exit to resolution and it looks like the drop may notbe that bad elevation wise.

[zcarczar]

Ok, well you guys were too slow posting up the info :flipoff2: I was trying to read the thread on my blackberry sitting on boone rd at about midnight on thursday night trying to figure it out where the trail was.

Maybe I'll cruise out there this weekend if I have some spare time and see what I can find

[Mustard Dog]

Ok, well you guys were too slow posting up the info :flipoff2: I was trying to read the thread on my blackberry sitting on boone rd at about midnight on thursday night trying to figure it out where the trail was.

Maybe I'll cruise out there this weekend if I have some spare time and see what I can find


You should have just dropped by our camp, we could have told you how to get there:p

[Tim Florian]

You should have just dropped by our camp, we could have told you how to get there:p

Did any of you guys work either of these canyons this weekend??

[zcarczar]

You should have just dropped by our camp, we could have told you how to get there:p

Every time I looked over there you guys were gone, and I was having too much fun playing robby gordon in my dad's blazer out there.

I'll have to try and make it out there and check it out in the next couple weeks.

[camo]

I was ridding with JRT when he did the canyon he is talking about and driving Vals rig when JR and scott did their canyon.

confirmed that they are diffrent cannyons

simple answer is... both are doable.... now get busy and bust I move. first one to the top names em ...what is it gonna be boys ?

camo

[JR]

first one to the top names em ...what is it gonna be boys ?

camo

Well, let's see all the good names, FOL and FOH are taken.
Hmmm, how 'bout FOS or SOL? I'll check Google Earth and see if they are available :D

[desertoy]

Once you get on google Earth, download the program, and find the hammers, how do you fly the damn thing? All I get is a picture that I can zoom in on and move around.

[Tim Florian]

Once you get on google Earth, download the program, and find the hammers, how do you fly the damn thing? All I get is a picture that I can zoom in on and move around.

The big circle thing in the top right corner of the screen spins in circles and if you grab the star in the middle of it you can move around. It is cool!!!!

[jbcruiser]

Have you guys looked this far west??
This canyon looks pretty good...as good as it can look on Google. I do wish I lived closer to the Hammers. You guys are very lucky...of course I think i would need 2 rigs.

[mobil1syn]

Once you get on google Earth, download the program, and find the hammers, how do you fly the damn thing? All I get is a picture that I can zoom in on and move around.
if your mouse has a sroll wheel, you can click on it and it will give a few more options of mouse operation.

[Tim Florian]

I'm not gonna make T-day this year:( hopefully someone plays with these new trails and reports back here on Pirate so I can live through you!

[Mustard Dog]

I'm not gonna make T-day this year:(

Hey, wtf:confused:

[Tim Florian]

Hey, wtf:confused:

I'm in a slight financial slump. So I'm gonna let the buggy rest and concentrate on making some money for a month or two. No biggie, there's always the Jambo.

[Mustard Dog]

Sounds like the smart thing to do, we'll see you soon I'm sure;)

[JR]

Well dammit Tim, I was hoping to see some good pics of you at the top!

I here you about the expense deal. It cost a lot to put a trip together and fuel is going to be expensive this year.

In fact, I'm going to start another thread :D

[krcruiser]

The GPS position of picture in post 7 of this thread is N 34 25.087 W 116 31.75

I walked to the top of left red line in post 29. This canyon does indeed top out at resolution. There are tire marks on the lip from the resolution side. One the canyon side it is extremely steep and loose with no rocks larger than a bowling ball for traction. Going down may be possible, at first I thougt not, but then thought of Jacks decent and I am not positive that this is steeper.

If you look to the right at the end of red line in left canyon, there is a saddle going seperating left hand canyon from the right hand canyon, basically where the shadow is on the picture in thread 29. That holds the most promise of completing a round trip trail and I did not descend into that canyon so I can not attest to what is there. TheGPS coordinates of the saddle areN 34 25.109 W 116 31.670

[Easy Rick]

Yeah we drove to the top from reso. as well. there is no way in hell you could climb that loose steep slope. We completed Highway 21 Thursday, and that loose climb was tough, and it was no where near this steep. The saddle seems to be the only hope. IMO.

Maybe next time, ;)
Easy.

[Mustard Dog]

Bobby Long and Odie might have bagged that trail this weekend:)

[Easy Rick]

They did work on a new trail, but they seemed to have been pointing to the next range?? They should be home soon, maybe they can give more details on it.

Easy.

Edit: like maybe the one JBcruiser pointed out in his google earth pict.

[Mustard Dog]

They did work on a new trail, but they seemed to have been pointing to the next range??

That was kinda the impression I was getting, they busted off something new and nasty, not a 100% sure if it was the one we're talkin about.

BTW, why didn't you come by and say hi, fuker:flipoff2:

[Easy Rick]

That was kinda the impression I was getting, they busted off something new and nasty, not a 100% sure if it was the one we're talkin about.

BTW, why didn't you come by and say hi, fuker:flipoff2:

Cause I never saw your rig or where you were camped. Unless that was you on the quad running up and down the main road with your 80 friends!:flipoff2:

Did you see my rig or camp?

[megatoy66]

Bobby and I along with our two buggies, his wife tina and two other friends and lots of man power and winches and a 6 foot rock moving bar did open a new trail on the southeast side of the "new mountain range" which is located west of the lakebed, it took most of the day and is probably the same caliber as "sledgehammer" and a lot of fun and some optional lines can be taken that are very interesting!
The trail from the air would look like a "chicken wing" shape.
This new trail is only a small piece of the new mountain as there is lot's of room and areas for many more trails on it.
If it's okay with everyone else Bobby and I would like to name it "chicken wing".

Odie. :smokin:

[Easy Rick]

Chicken wing it is!:smokin:


Now you just have to use my Crayons, and draw me a map on how to get there!:homer:


:laughing:

[paul_arc]

Bobby and I along with our two buggies, his wife tina and two other friends and lots of man power and winches and a 6 foot rock moving bar did open a new trail on the southeast side of the "new mountain range" which is located west of the lakebed, it took most of the day and is probably the same caliber as "sledgehammer" and a lot of fun and some optional lines can be taken that are very interesting!
The trail from the air would look like a "chicken wing" shape.
This new trail is only a small piece of the new mountain as there is lot's of room and areas for many more trails on it.
If it's okay with everyone else Bobby and I would like to name it "chicken wing".

Odie. :smokin:

Were you guys working on it saturday? I saw 2 rigs up there and thought to my self that I've never seen anyone there before. So I decided to go up it saturday night. Short and fun, Thanks guys:)

[b2dude]

i love that bobby and odie were moving rocks on that trail before they even tried it...knowing fully well that a piece of shit rig on 37s did it the day before unassisted(the lower half because it was the only rig there). bobby called our group lazy weiners for not wanting to move rocks. that trail will always be turkey claw to me

[ftoy62]

i back up what B2dude says. The name of the trail is Turkey Claw is the name of the trail it was completed by two rigs the day before these guys went up and before all the hard spots had been stacked with rocks. infact by the time i went through i made it with out much trouble in a rig i only spent $6000 dollars building. Im not saying i have a problem with anyone i just think its messed up to take credit for a trail that someone else conquered first. i will also always refer to that trail as Turkey Claw.

[megatoy66]

i back up what B2dude says. The name of the trail is Turkey Claw is the name of the trail it was completed by two rigs the day before these guys went up and before all the hard spots had been stacked with rocks. infact by the time i went through i made it with out much trouble in a rig i only spent $6000 dollars building. Im not saying i have a problem with anyone i just think its messed up to take credit for a trail that someone else conquered first. i will also always refer to that trail as Turkey Claw.

You are correct a very short portion of the same trail was made the day before Bobby and I were up there (about 500 feet) to the first corner to the right (the first bail out). That is all that was "conquered" the first day.

The day we were up there three of us had walked the rest of the trail to be, No vehicle had been from more than 100 feet from the first bail out before we were up there, It was'nt possible, no tire tracks at all and nothing whatsoever had been tampered with such as rocks, brush, tracks......
From the first bail out we had made the trail due north up the canyon, left up the side of the mountain, then south down the other side thru some very interesting parts of the hillside, approx. 1/4 mile.
The new trail was completed by Bobby and myself, even though we did not start the first small section the first day.
"Turkey claw" was done to the first bail out the first day, that's as far as the trail had gone the first day period.
The trail can be called whatever everyone wishes, it doesnt matter to me. I was told by a quite a few people this time and in years past that whoever "completes" a trail gets to name it.........bottom line is the trail was not "complete" the first day.

"Chicken wing" or "Turkey claw".

[Tim Florian]

"Chicken wing" or "Turkey claw".


How about you guys compramise and call it "Turkey Wing":flipoff2: or "Chicken Claw":homer:

[b2dude]

the only thing that bothered me was the moving of the rocks before attempting any part of the trail. with rigs as capable as those, nothing should be touched...especially considering the rig that went through before.

[DoveTail96]

This is Larry. The guy running the 5' prybar moving the rocks. Odie is correct in what he says. we did finish that trail and it fanned out in to a basin that had atleast 6 trails coming out of it. In all reality that trail should have a lower ???? name and upper???? name.. Ya know.. Cause it has a bail out at the corner there and then goes like 1/4 mile up in to that HUGE bowl and we went to the left and back on top of where the first bail out comes out. SO.. I liked the name "pick axe" cause we used a huge pick to make that trail.. Pick axe is a cool ass name. Odie and Bobby have been to the Hammers lots of times and have run many of the trails along with being respected members of the 4x4 community. They should have the right to name this trail. So Turkey Claw is the lower part if thats what it is.. Chicken wing is the Upper..Hmmm.. How bout TURKEY CRAWL RAVINE???? UPPER AND LOWER??? Just ideas.. Everyone that was there should have a thought.. Its not a fight.. We all love that place and gotta have kick ass names for the trails there.. I am stoked that the first time I was there I got to blaze a trail with cool ass guys that had never been done. NOW.. Feb 22nd I want to make it to the top of that mountain.. NO CHEATERS.. Lets get a small group and make er up there Feb22nd weekend..:smokin:

[DoveTail96]

I thought we made another cool line around that one section just killing time while the F-toy was being repaired. We didn't move anything on that big hard section and the only thing I moved on the other side the guy driving "said" ftoy said and I quote...." you guys can come wheel with us anytime" slapping me on the backl for moving a huge ass rock under his path to make it. It was all in fun and the challange, teamwork, friends... all good stuff.. All the folks down there are kickass..

[ftoy62]

how about a compramise. I will talk to billy and mike tonight. what if you put the two names together "Turkey Wing" they are shaped the same as a chicken wing and that way both groups can get some credit for the sections they did. Billy did the bottom first and you and bobby did the top first. and if a guy wanted he could use the first bail out as an entrance and just do the top. so you could do a name with a north and south or upper and lower.

[DoveTail96]

Thats right cause there are a hell of a lot more trails out there that haven't been completed. Damnit I am going to name a trail "pick axe" somewhere out there in the Johnson Valley..LOL.. Turkey wing..

So upper and Lower Turkey wing? It might get to complicated when the upper valley is wheeled and then we have to name all of those valley's off of the main trail.. Any ideas on that? That would be confusing to say..

Take lower turkey wing to upper turkey wing and then when you reach the valley there are 6 trails out of there.. Take the third on to the right which is???

LOL:D ya know what i mean? Maybe that WHOLE MOUNTAIN needs a name WHEN AND IF SOMEONE MAKES ER TO THE TOP???? However turkey wing was made on Turkey day weekend and seems right cause it looks like a turkey wing.. This is making my head hurt. Back to work..

[megatoy66]

how about a compramise. I will talk to billy and mike tonight. what if you put the two names together "Turkey Wing" they are shaped the same as a chicken wing and that way both groups can get some credit for the sections they did. Billy did the bottom first and you and bobby did the top first. and if a guy wanted he could use the first bail out as an entrance and just do the top. so you could do a name with a north and south or upper and lower.

Turkey wing sounds good to me since it was a collective effort between all of us. :smokin:

[Mustard Dog]

the only thing that bothered me was the moving of the rocks before attempting any part of the trail. with rigs as capable as those, nothing should be touched...especially considering the rig that went through before.



When it comes to just about anything new at the Hammers I go with the attitude of "what would the Victor Valley Four Wheelers have done". Those are the guys that created the main foundation of trails out there and they moved a lot of rock to make them passible. If it was ok for them to use prybars and such to move a few key rocks in order to make a new trail doable instead of impossible, then it's ok for me too ;)

Remember, these trails were created when the majority of rigs ran 33s and the big dogs rolled 37s.

[Longfield]

i love that bobby and odie were moving rocks on that trail before they even tried it...knowing fully well that a piece of shit rig on 37s did it the day before unassisted(the lower half because it was the only rig there). bobby called our group lazy weiners for not wanting to move rocks. that trail will always be turkey claw to me


All i know is a friend ask us to go help work on the trail. He said it was really tuff. We need to move some rocks, it broke a rear axle, a birfield a rear drive line cut a tire a rig turned over thats after we mover some rocks around. I think it is a tuff fun trail. I don't care what you guys call it. Where was your rig when we was running it.

[adampfisters]

Where was your rig when we was running it.

Taking a leak :flipoff2:

Fun wheeling with you Bob

[Longfield]

Taking a leak :flipoff2:

Fun wheeling with you Bob


Yes Adam it was great wheelin with you, and meeting everyone else. It's should be a lot of fun, who cares what the name is.:smokin:

[Easy Rick]

Yes Adam it was great wheelin with you, and meeting everyone else. It's should be a lot of fun, who cares what the name is.:smokin:

So, do you have any pictorial proof of this imaginary trail?:flipoff2:

And what address should I send my crayon and legal size sheet of paper too for someone to draw me a map!:homer::laughing:


I just want to try something new, I'm married ya see..........:laughing:


See you guys soon. ;)
Easy Rick.

[cruzerman350]

oh yeah there is proof in pictures that billy made it up that trail on thanksgiving day without moving rocks and then two days later bobby went up stacking rocks before they were a problem, they were following billy i might add. its kinda funny because after i watched bobbys crew stack enough rock for a honda civic to make it i joked it should be named chicken claw because of how easy they made it compared to the days before. i will always know it as turkey claw because that the name it was givien the first time anyone got up it. i have pictures of that day and i watched it myself. i also watched bobby and his crew go up the trail and stack rocks before they were a problem and in my mind you should never change a trail unless you get stuck, then you throw one rock under a tire and keep going.im not trying to put anyone down here its jsut that billy deserves credit for the trail since he was the first to do it. here are some pictures to back up the story. the first two are pictures from the first day billy went up it in his rig. the third picture is of the guy following bobby (sorry i forgot your name) passing billy halfway up the trail.

-miles

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2051/img4843smallmt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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[Jeff Knoll]

When it comes to rock stacking, I always, use this simple slogan.WWJRD


" What would JR do?"

:flipoff2:


After all he is the King of the Hammers! Can we get a ruling on this O mighty King?

[krcruiser]

When it comes to rock stacking, I always, use this simple slogan.WWJRD


" What would JR do?"

:flipoff2:


After all he is the King of the Hammers! Can we get a ruling on this O mighty King?

I watched JR stack rocks in a trail over there. He used about a 106" ford powered rock bar to RAM them into place :flipoff2:

Congrats on the new trail, however I do not believe it is the same trail as this tread was referring to. I was on the original trail at the Jambo and I was on it again Saturday morning. I do not recognize the pictures where you guys cut chicken wing.

When I was there Saturday and I left around 9AM, there was some new gear oil marks down in the area prior to where Val parked on Sunday the weekend of the Jambo, but the area where Scott and the KOH and his Ford Powered Rock Bar had no fresh tracks. I walked for about 1 hr up and back to survey the upper bowl area and there where no tracks at All. The Ledge up on top of the mountain had a set of tracks from the resolution side but they did not crest or go down into the bowl area.

[b2dude]

i didn't intend for this to become a pissing match, not that it did. everyone i met last week was super cool, and i had a great time. just to clarify the turkey part of the name...it's because it was first driven on turkey day to the first bail out on the left, then finished or coninued or whatever the next day. it's a sweet trail and we've been wanting to do it for a while. 2 years ago billy broke his first stock hummer cv there. he broke 2 more on this trip, one of them just after the first bailout, the other on back door. guess he'll have to make another 1350 shaft to match the other side. oh and bobby my rig is a cherry full bodied 4-runner on 33's......it was at camp:flipoff2:
can't wait to wheel out there again. happy wheelin

[JR]

however I do not believe it is the same trail as this tread was referring to. down

No, it's not. But the drama on this last page is entertaining :D

IMO, there's plenty of room for more easier trails opened up at the Hammers. This past weekend, I camped with friends that were driving door slammers, not rock buggies. Sledge hammer is about the max for a couple of the rigs in are group.

I'd rather wheel with friends on easier trails than jerks on hard trails.

Opening up easier trails gives more options, I can always always do optional lines on the easier trails.

IMO,building or breaking a new trail requires putting some work into it.
I've driven up a few canyons without stepping out of the car but didn't feel the need to name them.
As far as "chicken wing" or "turkey claw" I think they are both silly names :flipoff2:

[Jeff Knoll]

Long live the King!:flipoff2:

[Easy Rick]

He better make a ruling quick, before he gets overthrown.:flipoff2:




:laughing:

[rsqne1]

Better hurry...the Easy Empire is growing:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:

[Jeff Knoll]

Better hurry...the Easy Empire is growing:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:


Fawkin Star wars theme is in my head now, Thanks.:laughing:

[Beat95YJ]

IMO, there's plenty of room for more easier trails opened up at the Hammers. This past weekend, I camped with friends that were driving door slammers, not rock buggies. Sledge hammer is about the max for a couple of the rigs in are group.


Rumor has it the lake bed was was the max for at least one vehicle...:shaking:

[Easy Rick]

Rumor has it the lake bed was was the max for at least one vehicle.........

Don't beat yourself up bro, we all have our days.

Warning this is a lengthy post meant to entertain the masses. If you don't like long stories, skip this one.:D

As proof I have ya beat, kinda. Wednesday afternoon I finish my, "shaved nine in the rear" project, I go for another hot lap around the block to test everything before I load it up and head to the hammers. I pull out of the shop, into the street make a left head up the street. I turn the corner left there, roll out about 100 ft then lay into it. 2 seconds later there is an explosion and loud screaming coming from the engine. At first glance, I see it has blown the air filter up, and opened the chrome lid backwards. So I try to restart, to no avail. Then I get a tow job back to the shop on a strap. Upon further inspection, I find that it has backfired through the intake and blown the top of the propane carb off. It also blew the charge pipe off the intake manifold adapter, slipped the silicone hose apart.

I spend two hours on the phone trying to track down a Propane carb, also to no avail. So I decide to try and fix what I have. :D I pull the carb off tig weld it back together and remachine the top flat. Plus I black siliconed two pinholes in the diaphragm. Finding these two pinholes takes me back too my supercharger roots. I start thinking about drag cars that lose fuel half track and lift the blower. Seems reasonable enough to me in my limited enough propane knowledge that this must be my problem!:smokin: So I bolt her back together and fire it up. She runs perfect, so its time for another hot lap.

Confident in my diagnosis I don't even get all the way to the turn this time and lay into it while glaring at the boost gauge and she takes off just like usual. Till about 5 psi of boost, then the gunshot, followed by screaming, goes off again. Somehow right at that moment I knew it was gonna be a long night!:laughing: So I repeat the weld and machine process on the carb 4 or 5 more times, each time thinking that it must be a fueling issue, but its weird that it does it right at 5 psi, and i never here any detonation???

So I blow out all the propane lines change the Propane tank to a previously fueled tank that I know had good fuel in it. Remove the lockoff and check the filter, its clean. And try it again. Well you probably can guess what happens. So I repair and try backing the initial timing off more, yep again she brings the Boom.:homer:

By now its 9pm and I tell the wife, who incedentaly has been packed and ready to go since noon:eek:, that we have two options: one I can spend the night swapping the header back on and removing the turbo and we can go run with the old setup. Or two, we can cancel the trip. She really isn't any help as she replies "I just don't want you to have to work all night too, and its not really that important to me that we go. Is it that important to you?"

Well Hell Yeah It Is!:grinpimp: So I tell her one more try, and repeat the process. But this time I check eveything I can think of, and remember there is a check valve in the Vacuum line going to the advance on the distributor. I pull it off and blow through it, and sonofabitch if it wasn't installed backwards!( I think I know who did it too) Still not very confident at this point that this will fix it, I crack a Beer and stare at it for about 20 minutes trying to think of what I'm missing, before I give it its last chance. I can't come up with anything else. So I fire her up pull out to the street, circle the block, and as I am reapproaching the shop at about 11pm I stand on it one more time while cringing, and she moves like normal to "shit my pants acceleration levels" and I look down at a happy and healthy 12 psi of boost!:smokin:


Moral of the story Maintain, Test, Tune, and repair while still at your shop!:flipoff2: And never say die.

Hope you enjoyed my story!I have lots more just like it!:laughing:

Easy.

P.S. Staying true to form, That wednesday was my thirty second birthday, and I worked a full 20 hours!

[DoveTail96]

Thats going to be us trying to the last second to build a rock buggy before Feb..:eek: crazy but worth it. Way to go Rick

[Im4yotas]

Well, at least you didn't break a water pump pulley or blow up a steering pump while backing off the trailer...2 trips in a row that I didn't even make it out of camp last year.



And I broke a fawkin input shaft on the way back to camp from Bender Alley on Friday:shaking:


I looked around for you, Craig. When did you guys get there?

[Easy Rick]

Well, at least you didn't break a water pump pulley or blow up a steering pump while backing off the trailer...2 trips in a row that I didn't even make it out of camp last year.



And I broke a fawkin input shaft on the way back to camp from Bender Alley on Friday:shaking:


I looked around for you, Craig. When did you guys get there?

C-rag never made it, and I left Havafew at 5:30 am t-day and was on the lakebed at 8am.

C-rag tryed to amputate his own little finger two sundays before, as a matter of fact his story would rival mine easily, if you could get the truth out of him!:p

Easy.