I ran across something interesting on the Off-Road.com BB in the Toy section. Someone was asking questions about swapping a rotary into a toy, and somebody posted the attached picture. Here's some of what he wrote about it...

For the divorced toy case, you can build your own cover plate out of the stock toyota tranny-to-tcase housing with nothing more than a hacksaw, and file. get a drive-shaft shop to weld the toyota splined coupling onto the end of a short ( stub) shaft, and drill the other end of the shaft to match the mazda flange ( best bet is to just get an RX7 shaft shortened, and have the toyota splined coupling welded onto that)you can leave the toyota case exactly where it is in the stock setup, which will really cut down on the amount of fabrications work required for the swap.

Here's a pic of my test-mule divorced toyota case ( still in progress in this pic). basically, you just cut the back end off of the toyota factory transmission-to-transfer case piece, and then fit the OE toyota splined coupling to 'whatever' driveshaft will match your transmission. the driveshaft section is a bit vague for the simple fact that thats where you can 'play' if you want to - sit the motor where you want, and get the driveshaft built to length. As to why no ones done this before ??? I've built a number of conversion trucks this way, using Nissan 720, Autovas, and Samurai cases, which are all divorced from the factory. this site http://www.nsor.com/showcase/2001/ott/ has pre-made divorced mount kits...but honestly, its easier, and cheaper to just get a local shop to fabricate the splined coupling, and do the rest yourself.

That was from this thread (http://tellico.off-road.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=offroadtoytruck&Number=793844&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=2&vc=1)... just thought you guys trying to figure out how to throw a toy case or two into a zuk would find it though provoking... zuk motor and tranny, intermediate shaft... and then two toy cases stacked back to back? That would give you a 5.2 low just in the cases, or a 10.7 t-case low without modifying the engine or transmission, and would get rid of the questionable zuk 'case at the same time.

Seems like an intersting way to go, since the double t-case adapter for a yota is down to around $350 now... so with the two cases and adapter, you might be ready to rock with a 5.2 low range in a zuk for around $500. Only thing is I dunno how it would stuff into a stock wheelbase zuk... the adapter and second case adds 6.5 inches to the length of a toy case - but I don't know how much longer the toy case is compared to a zuk's.

I'll shut up now. :D

Thanks man, thats some good shit!:smokin:

Hmmm...Interesting indeed! :D

That kinda makes the OTT Adapter a little pricey

Yeah, I guess O.T.T's does look pretty pricey now, huh?

You get to run a toy tranny with the OTT... but is that worth paying the extra $$$ for an adapter when you can just hack the back plate off of a toy tranny and go from there? Maybe, maybe not.

I've got an OTT adapter on order.. another two or three weeks before it shows up. going to do stacked toy cases, 4.7 in rear, stock in front.

I'll let you know how it works out, in July.

so you ruin a 4x4 tranny, sounds like that could be big $$, lol...so you need to find a bad tranny to use the back half of. I've never looked for a bad one, I know they are around though. cool tech, thx;)

hey seabass you found out why i was asking about your trans you have. whaddy think chop it into peices and make an adapter.
i was hoping to tell from the pics if the bolt pattern is the same,still can't tell though.

Originally posted by larryboy
hey seabass you found out why i was asking about your trans you have. whaddy think chop it into peices and make an adapter.
i was hoping to tell from the pics if the bolt pattern is the same,still can't tell though.

I will take a closer look....................;)

Well, I also saw that post on ORC, and I also saw where that guy was giving out all kinds of other bad info about the rotary in the Suzuki section.

I'm not sure what tranny he used, but the toy trannies I have seen all have an oil resivore for the t-case in this section of the tranny. What does this mean? This means you have a large hole in cast aluminum you will need to fill.

I think the devorce kit from OTT is a very fair price. But I think a divroce twin t-case is pretty damn long for a Samurai with stock wheelbase.

-Wayne

How would you know what bad information was, are you famaliar with rotary engines they were discussing? Also he is from CANADA and was talking about a different type then what was imported to the US. He was also talkign about modifications that he had seen done that worked not neccisarily something from the factory. I have bought lots of stuff from this same guy and he is top notch and knows his crap. So unless you know for sure that he was wrong, and not the other guy that tried to contradict him was in fact wrong I'd watch spoutin you stuff off as well.
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :mad3:

shawn,did ya notice waynes screen name?? rotozuk??? ya think he might know something you don't.....maybe....just maybe??? calm down newbie maybe ask wayne what he means and learn a little:usa: .

I just noticed your name, and I think you are the guy that was trying to make him look bad. FYI the adapter plate in the picture is the one that he made, so it doesn't look to bad to me.

shawn have you been in that oregon rain to long:eek: .
i don't have a clue as to what you are talking about:confused: .

doesn't look to bad to me

Might not look bad....but it doesnt look good either.

Why go through all that work and ruin toy core when someone has done all of the R&D and sells the real deal for not a lot of cash? If your going to snivel :crybaby2: that the OTT piece is big bucks blah blah blah, I aint buying it. Nobody said this hobby was cheap. If your broke buy a 4:1 and go have fun....so did I piss everyone off????:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Another problem (in addition to the length) is the output will be a bit higher than the Zuk output which would make a really ugly driveline angle. I would think a wheelbase stretch would be needed.

The answer to that is oh yeah...my output is WAY up there. My angles steep but fine, but I'm now at 98.5 inches. In a short rig it would be very ugly.

You had to read the thread that rotozuk was replying on. I could call myself toyzuk, but that doesn't mean I know $hit about toyota's. Anyway the guy is a friend of mine and I might be new to THIS board but I choose not to come here for a long time cause of the rep, a few people have given POR. Anyway, the guy is straight and he wouldn't sell someone junk.

And yeah I learned all I care to learn from wayne from the post he is refering to on the off road board.

Originally posted by Shawn_C
And yeah I learned all I care to learn from wayne from the post he is refering to on the off road board.

Shawn,

If you go back and read my post over at ORC you will see my points. You will also see your buddy trying to defend himself on several points, and not defending himself on several others. You know why? He was dead wrong on those items! While some of his other points were interesting, regarding oil tanks and truck trannies, none of that stuff is easily available, or legal to even legal to use in a smog controlled state like I live in.

I have nothing wrong with Wanderer4x4 on ORC other them him being an expert on every damn subject that pops up. If they guy knew everything, this would be fine. When he wondered into a thread that I knew about, I felt like I needed to set things straight, and some interesting information for all was shared. That is what we do.

I would like to point out that I was not pissing on your buddies idea, simply pointing out an issue I have noticed. What I shared on this list about this devorce kit idea was also based on what I have seen, and that is the U.S. market trannies have a large oil resivor that will need to be addressed in some manner. this is beyond the information the orginal author shared.

ORC and Topica have a problem with people saying stupid stuff like "you just cut this, then take it to a machine shop, and for like $50 you are done." It just isn't reality. I have heard from a few people that started a project based on what they were told, and found themselves out of money, without a vehicle.

So perhaps I'm conservative on my advice, but I rather have people go into a project with their eyes open. If you have a problem with us discussing the merrits of an idea, then I suggest you stop reading as that is a lot of what we do here.

Originally posted by larryboy
hey seabass you found out why i was asking about your trans you have. whaddy think chop it into peices and make an adapter.
i was hoping to tell from the pics if the bolt pattern is the same,still can't tell though.

My 2wd can't be the same or you could bolt a transfercase right up, and we would all now that by now:D after looking it seems smaller at that point where the tail housing comes off.

Shawn, you're allowed to say "shit", "pussy"! This is the POR Board, and after all, we have a rep to protect!

Wayne is a friend here, but we're not too sure if he's "straight" or not. (He likes to hug.....guys) Anyway, he knows his "shit", and usually only speaks up on subjects he's familliar with, or trying to learn more about. If you just want the advice of your straight friend, use the phone!

Finally, you're welcome to any screen name that's available, even if it is BOYTOY or whatever you said. Just pick something that fits you, besides the always boring birth given name your parents thought of 30 years ago (sorry Bill and Bill J...its jus a joke!). Personally, I like to beat up my girlfriend and jump motorcycles.

:rasta:
(hope you're all laughing :D )

Originally posted by EMIEVEL
Wayne is a friend here, but we're not too sure if he's "straight" or not.
(hope you're all laughing :D )

Gee, thanks Chris.. I think... :confused: I think maybe you hurt your head in that roll.. better have it checked out.

:p

Originally posted by EMIEVEL
Just pick something that fits you, besides the always boring birth given name your parents thought of 30 years ago (sorry Bill and Bill J...its jus a joke!). Personally, I like to beat up my girlfriend and jump motorcycles.

Hey! you talking too me:question: No other Bill her so you must be talking too me?:flipoff2: LOL That's ok I'm jus- sitt'n here with my wife beater t-shirt on with a :beer: (soda):D