Have you ever had guys that wouldn't move out of the way?

[chvyhs]

We had these guys that wouldn't move or even try to move out so we could get by them. They held us up for about 2 hours on Clawhammer.

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There were a couple of buggies that went around them but we had fullsize rigs with us and we needed the Jeep at the bottom of the waterfall to move a little. These guys just refused to cooperate. I guess these guys want us to do onto them as they did onto us.

Anyone else have this problem often?

[jpfrk2001]

Its sad that there are rude ignorant people in the world of wheeling as well as any other life style. The polite thing to do is drag that POS over to the side BEFORE even taking one bolt out!! that way if you need someone to run to camp THEY COULD GO AROUND THE BROKEN POS TO GET WHATEVER THEY NEEDED!! I agree with you man. No matter how I get treated on the trail, that is ONE thing I refuse to pass on.

Just let it roll off your back and take this as example of How NOT to be on the trail

[tjmark]

Why not just turn around and go back?

Or hell just drive around them?

We did claw friday night and it seems pretty wide now?

I see in the 3rd pic the broken knuckle i remember seeing that at night. haa

[zcarczar]

they didnt want to turn around and back out cause the stockish rigs that were with them could only run claw, plus rich was testing the formula toy out for the first time.

But if i woulda had the samurai out there I woulda pulled up and blasted some death metal on full volume so they would hurry up and got out of there.

[Mustard Dog]

People like that are gay:shaking:

[chvyhs]

Here's the jam they caused:

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[a2b]

last year at the jambo, i was by myself and there was a traffic jam on sledge. i was told by the first jeep that i couldnt get around all the people. i sad, okay buddy...then i proceeded to snake all around their rigs climbing over thier tires. finally i get up the guy who's broke, who's right in the middle of the trail. i could easily get around him with my rig, but all the jeeps behind me couldnt so they just chose to block the trail as well.

[chvyhs]

Yeah,
There were two buggys that came down the trail and were able to get around the 3 jeeps blocking the trail. Everyone in my group, including myself moved to make it easier for them to continue on their way. It's just too bad those three blocking the trail for the rest of us couldn't do the same.:shaking:

Is there any legal action some one could take against me if their rig gets dented or scraped while off roading?

[RCKRATZ]

last year at the all-pro event we had a similar experience on claw. Open diffs, broken rig... Tried to walk up and help spot but nobody was listening. After patiently waiting for over an hour I told the group that since they werent going to move and werent going to listen to advice that we were gonna put the pass on and be on our way.

Long story short we put the pass on, and the lead vehicle in the other group pulled across the trail to block the last 2 rigs in our group from going around. After a heated exchange the guy finally moved. Was yelling something about us not knowing the rules of the hammers or something :laughing:

The more people on the trails the more this will happen. Sad but true. Just like the problems we have up here with people going off trail etc. Few bad apples ruin it for everyone. Oh well, not like I am losing any sleep over it :D

[luvrox]

Yeah,
There were two buggys that came down the trail and were able to get around the 3 jeeps blocking the trail. Everyone in my group, including myself moved to make it easier for them to continue on their way. It's just too bad those three blocking the trail for the rest of us couldn't do the same.:shaking:

Is there any legal action some one could take against me if their rig gets dented or scraped while off roading?

Ya know, this woh is me chit only works to a point. I see an easy bypass to the left of the yellow jeep. WTF didn't you take that route? No it aint cool to be a trail tampon, but damn it man nut up and deal with it.

[jeepcrazie]

Ya know, this woh is me chit only works to a point. I see an easy bypass to the left of the yellow jeep. WTF didn't you take that route? No it aint cool to be a trail tampon, but damn it man nut up and deal with it.

What the hell did you just say??:eek:

[zcarczar]

Ya know, this woh is me chit only works to a point. I see an easy bypass to the left of the yellow jeep. WTF didn't you take that route? No it aint cool to be a trail tampon, but damn it man nut up and deal with it.

Hey dipshit have you ever ran the trail? That line to left is not as easy as it looks especially in a full size or a rig with 33's and an open front diff. :shaking:

[luvrox]

Hey dipshit have you ever ran the trail? That line to left is not as easy as it looks especially in a full size or a rig with 33's and an open front diff. :shaking:

Ya once or twice

































a year over the last nine or ten years, usualy backward as an add on on the way back from WB, SB, or hwy20. Bottom line, if the situation couldn’t be improved or bypassed by the persons directly behind why is this conversation even taking place? I agree with the trail tampax problem but I saw a bypass around the problem and those passing out chit appear to have only compouded the problem.

[rsqne1]

quick solution...don't run the bunny slopes!!!

[Huss666]

Haha silly kids, The hammers are for men! Peelout around those guys with whatever u got. Just fawkin bring it.

[Gunmetalcruz]

the guy in the black jeep was interesting to talk to. That's why i dropped the waterfall next to his junk to play thru.

[Jeff Knoll]

Ya once or twice



:p:laughing:


The old man throws down the smack! Thanks Gary you made my day.
If ya wanna see the old guy get it done just check out the old ARCA films. I think they named the masters courses after Guys like him.:flipoff2:

[scraprock]

Ya once or twice

:p:laughing:


The old man throws down the smack! Thanks Gary you made my day.
If ya wanna see the old guy get it done just check out the old ARCA films. I think they named the masters courses after Guys like him.:flipoff2:


I think he needed to eat a snickers or something! His blood sugar level must have been WAY low. Old man dont know shit... :laughing::laughing::laughing:
:flipoff2:Gary:flipoff2:












Scra"not at surprise"ppy

[Bigburlynakedguy]

The early bird doesn't get stuck behind slow people!

[missing mountains]

Long story short we put the pass on, and the lead vehicle in the other group pulled across the trail to block the last 2 rigs in our group from going around. After a heated exchange the guy finally moved. Was yelling something about us not knowing the rules of the hammers or something :laughing:

I was there. You guys were a bunch of "dicks"

The guy in the black jeep with a loud motor was the worst, when he passed us there were rocks shooting out from under his tires and one almost hit me. He had the nerve to come down and try and apologize for acting like such a dick. I was about ready to knock his lights out.

next time you should just wait behind us, even if it takes all night long
:flipoff2:

[jopes]

whats this traffic shit your talking about at the hammers. of the times I have gone I only seen rigs once on a trail that I was on. granted I don't live there.

[RCKRATZ]

I was there. You guys were a bunch of "dicks"

The guy in the black jeep with a loud motor was the worst, when he passed us there were rocks shooting out from under his tires and one almost hit me. He had the nerve to come down and try and apologize for acting like such a dick. I was about ready to knock his lights out.

next time you should just wait behind us, even if it takes all night long
:flipoff2:

Fair enough, I was the 1st rig through and didnt see what was going on behind me outside of the rig blocking the trial. Funny how you can get pissed because he apologized for it....that doesnt make sense dude :confused:

I don't see how we were dicks being that we waited a long ass time and passed when it was appropriate. Reving the motor and shooting rocks is gay though.

Next time I will just turn around and go somewhere else I guess because there is no way in hell I am going to sit on an easy ass trail waiting on a bunch of unprepared rigs. No thanks. :smokin:

[Mustard Dog]

next time you should just wait behind us, even if it takes all night long
:flipoff2:


FUCK YOU :flipoff:

You think you own the place or something? Have some common courtesey and get the fuck over to the side:shaking: I would have sat there throwing rocks at you assholes for that kind of attitude.

[desertoy]

FUCK YOU :flipoff:

You think you own the place or something? Have some common courtesey and get the fuck over to the side:shaking: I would have sat there throwing rocks at you assholes for that kind of attitude.

Ya, at the Hammers, if you break you get off to the side of the trail BEFORE you attempt to fix it.
That, or leave your Jeep at home and ride with someone with a more prepared rig.

[JeepRecoveryTeam]

People like that are traction:shaking:


Fixed for accuracy.

d

[JeepRecoveryTeam]

Hey dipshit have you ever ran the trail? That line to left is not as easy as it looks especially in a full size or a rig with 33's and an open front diff. :shaking:

Might want to check yourself. Follow Gary around the hammers for a day or two and your rig will have even more 'body work' than it already does.

[missing mountains]

Reving the motor and shooting rocks is gay though

well I guess I'm gay then! :flipoff2:

Rolo, it is dozer. Fooled you did I?

whats up, I thought :flipoff2: means that I'm not serious.

I was about 20 feet to the left of that guy and right along side of him. How in the hell could I have even spit a rock in his direction? After I got to the top, I walked down to tell him that I was just trying to keep up with you guys and get out of his way. He was so twisted up that he couldn't even look at me when I was talking to him.

[RCKRATZ]

fawking dork :flipoff2:

[SCHooch]

well I guess I'm gay then! :flipoff2:

Rolo, it is dozer. Fooled you did I?

whats up, I thought :flipoff2: means that I'm not serious.

I was about 20 feet to the left of that guy and right along side of him. How in the hell could I have even spit a rock in his direction? After I got to the top, I walked down to tell him that I was just trying to keep up with you guys and get out of his way. He was so twisted up that he couldn't even look at me when I was talking to him.

fawking dork :flipoff2:

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[axlejack]

First off the guy that broke was off to the side enough to where if you wanted to go up I think there was enough room and I think he did not have much choice about where he was,when I came down the guy in the black jeep was running up to tom and me with his fist clenched and arm stretched out to tell us to stop or something but we drove up to look at the situation and from what we saw there were two ways down,one was to go up on the goat trail up above where the motorcycles were but we decided against that cause the riders were pushing their bikes up the trail cause it was so steep! the second was to drop off of the waterfall that didnt look too bad but the black jeep was blocking the trail. since we were on a "sensitivity" run we were polite and asked the guy in the black jeep to move up a little bit so we could squeeze past.I wont say what I felt at the time but after the second request and some mouthing-off he moved and all I can say is thank you to all of the people behind this guy for letting us pass(you are very patient!)and I would do the same for you.
To the guy in the black jeep:next time move your ass over to the side so others can pass instead of trying to control traffic.you dont know how close you came to being traction! When I break I try to get off the trail as far as possible so I dont hold up anybody else,a little courtesy goes a long way and I hope that you got the message!

[JR]

Most people I meet broke on the trail could probably beat me up and are probably already in a bad mood.

Unless I have someone big like Axle Jack with me for protection :D, I'll just politely 4 steer around them while asking "are you guys OK?"
It takes the heat off the situation and as long as I don't touch there car, it seems to work. If I can't steer around them, I'll turn around and find another trail.
I ain't looking for trouble.

[Mustard Dog]

Here's the way I see it.


6-8 years ago you could break on the trail, in the middle of the trail, and spend all day fixing it because chances were your group was pretty much the only ones out there that weekend.

It's not that way anymore, the Hammers are VERY popular and we all need to be concious of that fact. Don't fuck up another groups trail run with your arrogance of refusing to move.

This whole thing came down to that, arrogance on the part of the group that was broke.




It might be high time to take things back to how they were out there a few years ago. If your being a tampon and refusing to let others play through, then you run the risk of your pretty little Jeep with all it's bolt-ons becoming a traction device. I've seen it happen and in this case it should have happened again.

[randii]

Ya, at the Hammers, if you break you get off to the side of the trail BEFORE you attempt to fix it.
Replace 'at the Hammers' with just about ANY trail.
Hell, just about ANY road... if you breakdown in the #2 lane of I-5, what's different?

There may be a few exceptions, but generally, getting the hell outta the way is good form anywhere, right?

Randii

[chvyhs]

We couldn't get the fullsize rigs around without pushing into the pretty jeep. Some of us could have went around but we weren't going to split up our group. We offered to help get them off the trail but even that was refused. Next time I'm going to do just as the other two guys comming down the trail did and just push around them. Hopefully I won't scratch my tube work.:flipoff2:

[jays68yak]

I dont think this is limited to just the hammers. We had a similar issue at Hollister a few months back where 2 guys ran the tank backwards and met up with us (9 trucks deep). After a bit of them not moving, some word exchanging, we got the rangers involved. They were still totally unwilling to turn around, or back up so we could pass. Sucks that people are starting to get that way.

[waxerk5]

all I can say is thank you to all of the people behind this guy for letting us pass(you are very patient!)and I would do the same for you.


Not a problem dude. We were VERY patient actually and had a few of our members running up to offer to help him fix it (just to get it done faster so we could get by).

Were you the one with the rig that had the rear steer? That was a pretty sweet setup.

They say courtesy is contagious, but apparently these guys were immune or something. :)

[Rastus #3]

Stupid is as stupid does sir.

[Gunmetalcruz]

Jack was in the rear steer cj buggy and I was in the white cruiser buggy. I thought everyone was really nice minus the dude with the clenched fist telling me how it was. So being that their was plenty of room and we were on our "sensitvity run" we tried to play through politely. Some times that helps unclog things:D

[chvyhs]

Nice didn't pay off for us and it wasn't contagious. Our group had no problem moving for your two rigs because we didn't want to be part of the problem. I would have figured, with all the religious stickers on their jeeps, they would have been more courteous.:shaking: I guess they only use that when it's to their advantage.

[JeepRecoveryTeam]

Seems like you could have gone back down and taken the claw hammer Bypass... I mean FOH :flipoff2:

[timo992001]

more reason for everyone to build an exo. Then the bolt-ons seem to slide under the tires more easily for traction.

[Roksamy]

Replace 'at the Hammers' with just about ANY trail.
Hell, just about ANY road... if you breakdown in the #2 lane of I-5, what's different?

There may be a few exceptions, but generally, getting the hell outta the way is good form anywhere, right?

Randii

Once again , Randii hits it on the head

[Sluice Sally]

Replace 'at the Hammers' with just about ANY trail.
Hell, just about ANY road... if you breakdown in the #2 lane of I-5, what's different?

There may be a few exceptions, but generally, getting the hell outta the way is good form anywhere, right?

Randii


I agree:D...It's only common sense...but some people don't think that way:shaking:

[Pook]

Replace 'at the Hammers' with just about ANY trail.
Hell, just about ANY road... if you breakdown in the #2 lane of I-5, what's different?

There may be a few exceptions, but generally, getting the hell outta the way is good form anywhere, right?

Randii

x1000

This goes for people who get in car accidents too. a little fender bender and they shutdown a highway instead of moving over to the side.
Seems alot of people have no common sense. You break do all you can to get out of the way.

[Hammer Hog]

Gee, this sounds all too familiar.

A few years ago at the Bender Jambo, I was wheeling with Marlin as he was tail-gun'n Outer Limits. I had helped Troy from Cal-Mini change a birf, and shortly after Marlin had to stop for a quick fix on his own rig. Mean while, several of the Pirates of the Rubicon came barging through and ended up doing the same thing...CLOGGING up the trail with two busted rigs. And they too would not get out of the way. There was several of us (Paid trail runners...and Marlin as tail-gunner) that had gotten passed by these "arrogant" guys. Bottom line was that Marlin and the rest of us got back way late due to their (POR) not willing to move out of the way.

So I guess it doesn't matter if it's guys running Christian stickers, the POR or anyone else. Courtesy is key! ..........or be ready to "be traction."


I know the spot on Claw where they broke. Yes, they should have been cool enough and moved out of the way. But most any capable rig could likely get around them. But not so easy with rigs that are under built…as shown it the pix and descriptions given.






So…
Go tube or get out of the way!!! ....or “be traction”...hehehe!!! :smokin: :eek: :lmao:

[chvyhs]

None of the rigs were under built. They were just physically too big to fit around the arrogant trail hogs without trading paint. I'm sure it'll go down different next time.

[RockJeep92504]

Isn't that wait a winch is for. If they won't move there rig move it for them. Just start winding your cable out and I bet they start moving there ass real fast. I have no problem scraping against some ass rig to get buy. :flipoff2:

[SBChero]

the actual jeep that was broke was not the ultimate holdup. it was the douche in the black jeep. he was parked just before the waterfall perpendicular to the trail. (and if your familiar w/ that trail right there is only wide enough for about 2 rigs, when parallel w/ the trial)

he was the one that was stopping everyone from moving.

the 2 rigs that came down, (which were sick by the way) dropped down the waterfall and snaked by the douche in the black jeep. i was too wide to get by where they fit.

[RockJeep92504]

i would have moved his jeep for him.

[the beeter]

if it was only that easy.

[desertkrawler]

Aaahhh everybody's just picking on the little rubicon.





































FAWKING TRACTION:flipoff2:

[RockJeep92504]

It is as simple as that. If he won't move it move it for him. Start hooking up you winch cable and watch how fast he moves jeep.

[Chass]

This is an interesting topic for me because I think it goes both ways . . .

I broke a front leaf on the ledge by the Plaque on Sledge two years ago the day before the jambo. We had a big group of Toyotas that were making decent time but not buggy speed. There was a group of buggys coming up behind us that were impatient with our progress. One of them was Hobbie. He got up to me right about the time that I broke my leaf spring. I wasn't sure what to do about it. We were looking at spring clamps and such. Hobbie suggested Duct tape. I carefully backed my truck out of the way as best I could and let him by. The Duct tape worked great and we got moving again. However, the rest of the buggys seemed really upset that they got stuck in the middle of a group of slower trucks than them. Not even broken, just slower than them.

Those buggies slowed our group down significantly because they kept taking cuts and driving around our rigs while we waited for the next rig in front of us to be done with an obstacle. My point is, sometimes there are hang ups and slower groups in front of you. Just because you're built to the gills doesn't mean its the right thing to go barreling around people just because you are faster or you can. Broken rigs should do their best to clear the path if they possibly can. I do whenever possible (not that it happens a lot ;) ) and passing makes perfect sense in most cases but if there isn't quite enough space to make for safe passage and my rig is up on a high lift with me under it welding I'm going to get pissed if I feel they are endangering me.

Its all relative. I don't like trail tampons either and EVERY rig should do their best to get the fuck out of the way if they're broke but the attitude I've seen from a few (very few) POR guys was something like "I'm bigger and badder than you so get the fuck out of my way".

In my opinion, those trail ethics have to go both ways with the increasing number of rigs on our trails.

For the most part, I've had a great time on the Rubicon, at the Hammers and all the NW crawling areas. I rarely run into trail tampons and rarely meet people I don't like on the trail. I've really enjoyed meeting the VAST majority of the people in this sport/industry.


Chass
ct

[GearMan]

Gee, this sounds all too familiar.

A few years ago at the Bender Jambo, I was wheeling with Marlin as he was tail-gun'n Outer Limits. I had helped Troy from Cal-Mini change a birf, and shortly after Marlin had to stop for a quick fix on his own rig. Mean while, several of the Pirates of the Rubicon came barging through and ended up doing the same thing...CLOGGING up the trail with two busted rigs. And they too would not get out of the way. There was several of us (Paid trail runners...and Marlin as tail-gunner) that had gotten passed by these "arrogant" guys. Bottom line was that Marlin and the rest of us got back way late due to their (POR) not willing to move out of the way.

So I guess it doesn't matter if it's guys running Christian stickers, the POR or anyone else. Courtesy is key! ..........or be ready to "be traction."


I know the spot on Claw where they broke. Yes, they should have been cool enough and moved out of the way. But most any capable rig could likely get around them. But not so easy with rigs that are under built…as shown it the pix and descriptions given.






So…
Go tube or get out of the way!!! ....or “be traction”...hehehe!!! :smokin: :eek: :lmao:you sir are a liar. we were helping another groupe that was broke. plugging the trail at a no pass point. i got backl to camp after marlin so fawkaph get your facts straight.you guys pulled over to help marlin fix his un broken rig his shifter was not in gear was the only problem i have pics of this:shaking:since you pulled over we made the pass :flipoff2:next time instead of ASSuming the experimental t-case is broke check to see that it is in gear :shaking:instead of talking shit about us build your rigs better so you dont have these problems.we could have used the tampon for traction and let you guys fix his driveline but we didnt so be happy or you would have been even later getting to camp

[Roc Doc]

At the first Bender Jambo, I broke an inner axle on Claw. Mustard Dog came trotting down the trail, (he was building the buggy at the time, and rigless), to see what was up. I told him I had the spares, and we'd be done in time to catch the fullsize Chevy's, which we did. Everyone was cool, and just took it as an opportunity to have a sammich or heckle me, or both. If it was big breakage, I would have towed my junk off of the trail to fix it, but with so many rigs in line already, it was just a case of wait now or wait later, and if anyone had asked I would have moved.

Common sense folks.

[Jeepndel]

Some of us are smacking each other here and I can't help but chime in. :)
Not that long ago I just wrote an article about this -- common sense, courtesy stuff, and it keeps popping up -- Rubicon, Hammers, Dusy, Moab, you name it. Some mutha is in my way and I want by. :grinpimp:

Well, here's the deal as this old fart sees it. Some of us were born and raised to be nice, be courteous, and to have manners. Others don't know manners from mangos. So be it. So the rest of us have to be about education, patience and keeping our sport alive. Image... and then it just may have to be about cops. If someone gets off the trail, drives over bushes (at least on the Rubicon), and violates the rules, they need to feel some smack brought down. Why? Because they are then affecting my future and the future of my kids and grandkids -- and in fact, the entire sport of four-wheeling.

If you want to read my rant about courtesy, check it out here:
http://www.delalbright.com/Articles/merging_traffic.htm

And if there is anything old uncle Del can do to help with a situation, feel free to ask: del@delalbright.com

Del

[Y-JDog]

I didn't relize until about halfway through this thread that I witnessed this snafu.

I think I need to quit working so much overtime.

[Hammer Hog]

you sir are a liar....

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

:rolleyes:

[bronco jnke]

I broke a front axle U-joint at the plaque on sledge once. Had about 15 rigs behind me. I drug my shit out of the way which in turn started to knock the ball joint out. Everybody was very thankful. One even drove me back down to the lake bed to get my spare shafts. After fixing it , it didn't take long to catch the last rig.
I was on claw that day. I wished that guy would have moved also. Bottom line, I still had fun. Thats what counts.