Fjc Ford 9" Diff's Coming Soon

[unimog12chicks]

I have sent my FJ with Karl from Outback Offroad Gear! Which was very hard for me to do because I always do my own mods. But I know its in good hands. He will be starting with the rear and then soon to follow will be a kit for a front 9"
Here is where we hope to be better and differ from the rest! OUTBACK OFFROAD GEARS 9'S will retain all ABS and Atrac functions. Hope to have the rear done by Nov 17 th
We are having a FJ meet and greet at the shop for FJ owners.
We plan to attend the toy's for tots event at the badlands (attica Id )

I wil keep this tread updated with pics and info.

[Dirty Harry]

Are people having a lot of problems with broken diffs in FJ Cruisers?

[FJAggie07]

Some problems.

Please keep us up to date on this, I think the 9 is a good mate for the FJC.

[Westy]

Are people having a lot of problems with broken diffs in FJ Cruisers?

Yes. I dont think Toyota thought this one out too much. Putting the Toy 8" w/ locker under a heavy vehicle, with 240hp and alot of torque and 32s. They cut a corner on that decision.

Those diffs were originally designed for the mini trucks with a 22RE, and much lighter.

[mummac]

Isoon to follow will be a kit for a front 9"

Forgive my ignorance, but is the 9" kit for the front a SAS or still IFS? Thanks-

[unimog12chicks]

SAS for the front

Yes I have blown 2 Aftermarket 4.56 Ring and Pinnions. Keep braking the pinnion teeth

[Cornfused]

Wow, unique ripoff there
FROM CARL'S site:
outback Off-road gear
Outback 9 Housing

These Outback 9 housings are designed to work with centered and most pinion offsets. At 65" in length, the Outback 9 housing tubes can be cut down to fit most all, front & rear, trail rig applications.

The all new Outback 9 axle housing is the product of over three years of hard engineering and real world testing. With rock crawling specifically in mind, this housing is nothing like your ordinary 9" housing. With ultra-high ground clearance, one piece shell construction, and compact size, this is the ONLY 9" housing built ground-up specifically for rock crawling. We stock six popular setups available for same day shipping. All Outback 9 Axle Housings are 65” long (plenty of axle tube to cut to size) and are available with forward engine third member orientation or mid-engine third member orientation (as used in mid-engine competition rock crawlers). All housings are designed to work with Ford 9” style third members. Third member mounting hardware and filler cap assembly included. Single piece, ¼” thick, compact shell design provides more strength than any other OEM or aftermarket 9” housing center. Welded both inside and out for added protection.

• Precision machined third member face provides both tighter fits and higher oil sealing accuracy.

• More ground clearance than any other off the shelf 9” housing.

• 3” diameter x ¼” wall housing tubes provides incredible strength and easily allows the use of common aftermarket end components (like 60 knuckles & big bearing end cups). Unique design welds housing tubes to both shell and third member mounting face.

• Off the shelf housing weight is less than 60 lbs.

• Large 1-5/16" diameter fill opening makes gear inspection and filling easy. Oil Fill Cap is included with every Outback 9.


Update (3" x 3/8" Axle Tubes Available)
Due to popular demand, we are currently taking orders for any Outback 9 housings (listed below) in 3" x 3/8" wall tubes. For now, these orders can be placed by calling us at (317)366-7852. The price for a outback 9 with 3/8” wall tubes is $459.95 (centered, left, or right offset). Spider 9s with 3/8" wall tubes are built when ordered, so please allow 4-6 weeks for your completed housing to ship. It is with your amazing feedback that makes the outback 9 a great success, so thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Be sure to keep them coming!


$449.00
SPIDERTRAX site:


The all new Spider 9 axle housing is the product of over three years of hard engineering and real world testing. With rock crawling specifically in mind, this housing is nothing like your ordinary 9" housing. With ultra-high ground clearance, one piece shell construction, and compact size, this is the ONLY 9" housing built ground-up specifically for rock crawling. We stock six popular setups available for same day shipping. All Spider 9 Axle Housings are 65” long (plenty of axle tube to cut to size) and are available with forward engine third member orientation or mid-engine third member orientation (as used in mid-engine competition rock crawlers). All housings are designed to work with Ford 9” style third members. Third member mounting hardware and filler cap assembly included. Proud sponsor of Tracy Jordan, winner of the UROC 2005 & 2006 Supercrawl IV.
• Single piece, ¼” thick, compact shell design provides more strength than any other OEM or aftermarket 9” housing center. Welded both inside and out for added protection.

• Precision machined third member face provides both tighter fits and higher oil sealing accuracy.

• More ground clearance than any other off the shelf 9” housing.

• 3” diameter x 1/4" to 3/8" wall housing tubes provides incredible strength and easily allows the use of common aftermarket end components (like 60 knuckles & big bearing end cups). Unique design welds housing tubes to both shell and third member mounting face.

• Off the shelf housing weight is less than 60 lbs. for 1/4" wall and 80 lbs. for 3/8" wall.

• Large 1-5/16" diameter fill opening makes gear inspection and filling easy. Our trademark Spidertrax Oil Fill Cap is included with every Spider 9.

Other Options Available
If for any reason our off-the-shelf Spider 9 housings will not work for your application, give one of our Spider 9 specialists a call toll free at (800) 286-0898. We can customize housing lengths and even material selections to match your exact needs.


Word for word copied, what a shiester! :mad3: The outback picture is even marked with outback across the housing, a copy from spidertrax's site.

[2manyprojects]

Wow, unique ripoff there

Word for word copied, what a shiester! :mad3: The outback picture is even marked with outback across the housing, a copy from spidertrax's site.

So how big of a fool would you feel if they were spider housings modified for or by outback.:confused::flipoff2:

Not saying they are, but that's the impression I get.

[AddictedOffroad]

He might be a Spidertrax dealer though too. Most dealers are allowed to copy images and info from the parent companies products/website.

[tmorgan4]

I sure hope it's a Spidertrax housing they're selling considered they copied the pictures too.

Due to popular demand, we are currently taking orders for any Outback 9 housings (listed below) in 3" x 3/8" wall tubes. For now, these orders can be placed by calling us at (317)366-7852. The price for a outback 9 with 3/8” wall tubes is $459.95 (centered, left, or right offset). Spider 9s with 3/8" wall tubes are built when ordered, so please allow 4-6 weeks for your completed housing to ship. It is with your amazing feedback that makes the outback 9 a great success, so thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Be sure to keep them coming!

Guess they missed one. :laughing:

[unimog12chicks]

Come on guys, Lets get real. Everybody markets suff as there own. This is nothing new. I'm sure that is where carl gets his 9'S but hell they are even 10.00 cheaper.

Here is a perfect example. Round Eyes radio's they were Ear Tec's radio's but Round Eye's marketed them as there own and sold a ton of them.

Lets get back to the post!! 9's in a FJC are going to be bad Ass. Hope to post up some pics soon I will keep this post updated as much and as often as i can

Later

[FJAggie07]

I am interested in two axles, just want to know if they will be selling a full kit up front or if I am going to need to design a suspension or what.

[RockMolester]

Yes. I dont think Toyota thought this one out too much. Putting the Toy 8" w/ locker under a heavy vehicle, with 240hp and alot of torque and 32s. They cut a corner on that decision.

Yeah, and the stupid 7.5" IFS.

I mean, Toyota has all of these mall-crawler IFS 4x4's already:

RAV4
Highlander
4Runner
Tacoma
Tundra
Sequoia
Land Cruiser
RX350
GX470
LX470

If they're marketing the FJ towards the off-road crowd, then WHY THE HELL did they give the FJ a wimpy rear axle and and independent front end?

Here's what Toyota needs to do.

Step 1: Install the 10.5" rear end from the 5.7 Tundra in back.
Step 2: Install the 10.5" rear end from the 5.7 Tundra in front with kingpin 60 outers.
Step 3: Install a Marlin t-case doubler.

And this isn't coming from a Toyota-hater. I owned a 1985 FJ60 before buying my 1985 4Runner. As far as I'm concerned, the new FJ is an embarassment. They came so close to making an awesome vehicle.

Toyota needs to understand that there's a reason why Americans lust after foreign-market Toyota 4x4's -- they're still built like the older American Toys, with proper solid axles and lockout hubs!

[unimog12chicks]

I looked at the tundra stuff myself. But the rearend is to big, ground clearnce issues. But thats just me.

I think they would have done alright if they would have used FJ80 straight axles. But they didn't

Yes these will be marketed in a kit form, front and rear. carl is designing a longarm kit for the rear. It will be very simular to his FJ80 longarm kit.

stay tuned all parts are on the way so the build will start very soon

Thanks for all the interest!!

[unimog12chicks]

Here is the deal, Moser said they could make my new axles. After getting all the specs they say they dont' have a blank to work from so its a no go.
Currie has blanks because they are building 9's also. But because they are marketing the whole rearend they will not sell us the blanks. hole rearend only. Its not ready yet and they are talking $6000.00 (can i say holys&*$).

So we will now be offering the ford 9 with 4 piston wilwood brakes and bigger axles. We will still be retaining the ABS and ATAC. But because of the brakes it is going to cost more than we hoped. Should still be less $ than the compitition and it will have better brakes and bigger axles. Carl said he would get me some pics. So i will push to get then ASAP.
Ford 9 is under the rig all brakets are do and the thirdmember is in. We have to redo the axle housing ends and get the brakes done. Should be home next weekend i hope.
Hope to see some of you NEW YEARS DAY at HANNIBAL ROCKS

Later Dig

[1248bullitt]

Sounds sweet, i'm interested.

[cdc12372]

Here is the deal, Moser said they could make my new axles. After getting all the specs they say they dont' have a blank to work from so its a no go.
Currie has blanks because they are building 9's also. But because they are marketing the whole rearend they will not sell us the blanks. hole rearend only. Its not ready yet and they are talking $6000.00 (can i say holys&*$).

So we will now be offering the ford 9 with 4 piston wilwood brakes and bigger axles. We will still be retaining the ABS and ATAC. But because of the brakes it is going to cost more than we hoped. Should still be less $ than the compitition and it will have better brakes and bigger axles. Carl said he would get me some pics. So i will push to get then ASAP.
Ford 9 is under the rig all brakets are do and the thirdmember is in. We have to redo the axle housing ends and get the brakes done. Should be home next weekend i hope.
Hope to see some of you NEW YEARS DAY at HANNIBAL ROCKS

Later Dig


Where do I start......

Ok, Currie is making a Rock Jock III 60 for the FJ not a 9" (yes we can also make a 9"). Where did you come up with 6,000.00 (holy shit, I wish we could sell a rear end for that kind of cash!!!) :smokin:

Since the cat is out of the bag, lets get the real facts.

Rock Jock III (Hi Pinion 60), fitted with custom housing ends and custom 35 spline shafts to fit the factory brakes (why spend money in aftermarket brakes when you already have a quality factory disc brake). All new hi-quality ASTM572 Grade 50 brackets, including adjustable track bar bracket.

Currie has been around for over 50 years and we are commited to supply a quality product. Since we are commited, we invested in producing a new axle forging for the FJ that took 6 month to get and a boat load of money.

Preliminary Pricing for the FJ rear Rock Jock III (Hi Pinion 60)

2,000.00 for Housing and Axle package with brakets

3,500.00 for a complete Housing and Axle package with brackets, loaded with gears, ARB and cover.

I will be testing this housing next week for final fitment and it will go into production shortly after. :)

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/cerockjock/Picture003.jpg?t=1196982822

[unimog12chicks]

Very nice, I don't know where i heard that price, I thought that was a little insane myself.

Nice looking diff, sorry about letting the cat out nobody told me it was hush hush. Or i would have not said anything.

As for our 9" its almost finished and its the sh!t!!! Karl has got the stock brakes to work with the dana 70 axles so there will be no additional cost there. I have pics coming sorry for the delay with that. I will do my best to get them posted this weekend.

[sbechtold]

3,500.00 for a complete Housing and Axle package with brackets, loaded with gears, ARB and cover.


I'll take one with 4.88s, ARB and no brackets. Have it delivered to Demello for me and we'll throw it in my FJC. :smokin:

[FJ Tex]

Yeah, and the stupid 7.5" IFS.


If they're marketing the FJ towards the off-road crowd, then WHY THE HELL did they give the FJ a wimpy rear axle and and independent front end?




sorry for being slightly OT but IFS is great for certain applications. win on sunday sell on monday. when most manufactures build a performance vehicle, it has to be competitive. they want it to trade on its own name, and you accomplish that by winning races. IIRC i havent seen any factory teams doing roack crawling competitions yet (i'm sure it will happen eventually). for the time being things like the SCORE series dominate the organised offroad market. they even put the millens in the drivers seat of the factory class 3 b1k rig. replicas of that rig go to the trail team meets because they know that its racing success that sells units. do you really think that if they decided to put a SA that it would have ppl lining up around the block to get one? everyone would read the review on Edmunds where some douche thought the ride was terrible and the truck would be cancelled after 1 year of production because only 5 people bought them. its sad that marketing works this way, but it does. i mean, out of everyone on this site how many of them are in the market for a new SUV around 28-30K? possibly a few, of them how many are looking for a 'yota? even less. (and this is a niche market to begin with) but even if a thousand people were willing to put deposits down on an FJc with a SA, i kinda doubt that Toyota would be willing to research, design, machine, and manufacture that option. ten thousand people, maybe. i'd love to see it happen, but its not a part of the makret strategy. and yeah the rear axle is wimpy... but thats a company trying to capitalize on media attention from the concept truck. also from my understanding the R&P issues have been from a supplier not properly heat treating them, not from a design flaw.

[vk120]

Any news from currie?
With that axle is Abs going to work?

[cdc12372]

Any news from currie?
With that axle is Abs going to work?


Yes the ABS will work just like factory.

The axle is set up to re-use the factory brakes. Currie will send you new bearings that need to be pressed after you install the brakes.

Here is the finished product :D

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd196/cerockjock/Picture017.jpg?t=1200429524

[vk120]

How much ground clearance do you loose and how heavier is it?
Do you need and new driveshaft ? Longer or shorter?
Is it ready for shipping?
Where can i get a shipping quote?

[wheelintoy]

I have sent my FJ with Karl from Outback Offroad Gear! Which was very hard for me to do because I always do my own mods. But I know its in good hands. He will be starting with the rear and then soon to follow will be a kit for a front 9"
Here is where we hope to be better and differ from the rest! OUTBACK OFFROAD GEARS 9'S will retain all ABS and Atrac functions. Hope to have the rear done by Nov 17 th
We are having a FJ meet and greet at the shop for FJ owners.
We plan to attend the toy's for tots event at the badlands (attica Id )

I wil keep this tread updated with pics and info.

[QUOTE=cdc12372;7579317]Where do I start......

Ok, Currie is making a Rock Jock III 60 for the FJ not a 9" (yes we can also make a 9"). Where did you come up with 6,000.00 (holy shit, I wish we could sell a rear end for that kind of cash!!!) :smokin:

Since the cat is out of the bag, lets get the real facts.

Rock Jock III (Hi Pinion 60), fitted with custom housing ends and custom 35 spline shafts to fit the factory brakes (why spend money in aftermarket brakes when you already have a quality factory disc brake). All new hi-quality ASTM572 Grade 50 brackets, including adjustable track bar bracket.

Currie has been around for over 50 years and we are commited to supply a quality product. Since we are commited, we invested in producing a new axle forging for the FJ that took 6 month to get and a boat load of money.

Preliminary Pricing for the FJ rear Rock Jock III (Hi Pinion 60)

2,000.00 for Housing and Axle package with brakets

3,500.00 for a complete Housing and Axle package with brackets, loaded with gears, ARB and cover.

I will be testing this housing next week for final fitment and it will go into production shortly after. :)








Have you guys heard of a vendor star if your going to pimp your products that is what makes the world of Pirate go round :mad3::flipoff2:

[unimog12chicks]

I finally got the FJ back last week, The 9 looks awesome!!! Karl did a great job, looks just like the factory rear end. I will try to put a link to the pics soon. Can't wait to get it out and put it through the paces.

[91blaze]

you're taking forever with pics get some up already
put some of the new s-dime on 4x4directory too, we want to see the competition

[91blaze]

been well over a month - almost 2

[SinisterTaco]

Yeah, and the stupid 7.5" IFS.

I mean, Toyota has all of these mall-crawler IFS 4x4's already:

RAV4
Highlander
4Runner
Tacoma
Tundra
Sequoia
Land Cruiser
RX350
GX470
LX470


Are you mentally ill? :p

The 4Runner/GX470 and Sequoia/LandCruiser/LX470 all have fully-boxed frames, low-range, and sufficiently solid powertrains/drivetrains to handle what most owners will demand from them. I'm sure they would surprise most people if really pushed on a trail.

The Tacoma and Tundra have proven themselves to be plenty tough right off the assembly line.

The Rav4 and Highlander/RX are tall cars with AWD. They should not be compared to the above SUVs.

Do you own a vehicle with a 7.5" front? I do, and it's never had an issue. It's locked and has been abused. The only part I've broken is a CV.

[unimog12chicks]

Karl was never able to figure out the ABS sensors so i will not be posting up anything else about the ford 9" It is very strong and well put together but i'm not very happy about the lights on my dashboard not to mention my speedo does not work

[sbechtold]

Karl was never able to figure out the ABS sensors so i will not be posting up anything else about the ford 9" It is very strong and well put together but i'm not very happy about the lights on my dashboard not to mention my speedo does not work

You can make the speedo work again by putting a speed sensor in the tcase and wiring it to the speed signal wire coming out of the ABS computer and going to the cluster. I did this on mine and the speedo works fine now. The ABS, VSC, ATRAC and stuff doesn't work on mine since the swap.