Is anybody on here talking about the King of the Hammers race in Feb? I am going to be there for that one. ANybody else? Any advice for a newbie?

nothin to see here....keep on movin.

http://www.kingofthehammers.com/

Not much there yet, but watch for updates. It's not exactly set up to be a spectator race. If your interested in helping out check out this thread.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=622044

:laughing: I will be there competing in the King of the Hammers. Where do I sign up?:smokin::D

http://www.kingofthehammers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7

Are you on that list?

I think the list is already done and locked in.

My name is Larry Gipson and I am on the list. Not sure how that happened but it did. Now they have a KOH forum which is pretty cool

Wow. I would have thought the entry would have been more limited. The First 5 across the lakebed have a huge advantage. Whoever hits the first trail first is the favorite.

So is the competitor list locked in?

Yea its an invite only race and very limited. I got lucky and did and said the right things to the right people. Guess maybe I can drive. That helps.

Good luck larry, everyone needs a dream.

Good luck larry, everyone needs a dream.

You mean like yours........a big breasted woman that has an endless bank acount and a back 40 acres full of 1 tons and toyotas with low miles?:laughing:

Is anybody on here talking about the King of the Hammers race in Feb? I am going to be there for that one. ANybody else? Any advice for a newbie?


My advice...... 1.) rent fight club
2.) free up your credit card balance
3.) thank CRAWL magazine for voting you in as a dark horse long shot. ( this is gonna make a heck of a story):flipoff2:
4.) make some friends that know the Hammers
5.) bring beer money :flipoff2:


Good luck Larry. You see guys KOH is not all about the big names in the sport. Larry is like Charlie from Willy Wonka. He some how won a golden ticket, hope the umpa lumpa's don't get him.:p

"My advice...... 1.) rent fight club"
and remember rule number 1

So is it that feeling you get in traffic when you want to drive over that little f#$$$ import car with the squid driving or that g$% Damn SOB in the mini van that you want to drive your diesel truck over the top of? So you're tellin me that you can act on that feeling in the KOH???:D:mad3: I always wanted to jump over somebody like the Fast and Furious #2..

I think Tom summed it up best.


Talk is cheap, but entertaining none the less.

Oh and since its your first night at Fight club..... You have to fight!:flipoff2:

Good luck kid your playing in the majors. You'll get no sympathy from KOH.
"race ops do you copy?"
"go ahead this is race ops"
"Theres a kid down here at race mile 3 rolled up in a ball, sucking his thumb crying for his Mom, he keeps saying something about Robby Gordon":flipoff2:

:D I think we all are going to battle and party like rockstars and it will be the time of our lives till the next year..I bet the off race stuff is going to be just as good trying to do crazy lines and jumping shit.. Some good ass video for the KOH VIDEO! even if you win may not mean you get the most video coverage. Entertainment can be found in many places including Seattle

Is there going to be a F Toy class or is it just one open class?

One big f'n free frawl from what I gather. Wheel to Wheel. I think thirty second intervals between trucks. My question is how are they picking who starts first? i WILL go second if nobody minds since I have never raced rocks in my life and never been to the Hammers.

Really??? You,ve never been to the hammers? Wow that's like taking a knife to a Gunfight!!

Yea Bobby I have never been and you and i need to talk about maybe a partnership. i am sorry I haven't gotten out there to visit you again. when are you leaving? I will make it a point to get there. My truck just went to Those guys Customs last Thursday and I will be talking with you.. YES TIM I will be bringing Crashy and I think he had his snipped after he had his last kid so he can lend his to me and I will have 4 then. Should be covered to get it done! If I even top 20 the thing I would be crazy excited. Well if I finish I will be too..:grinpimp:

Yea Bobby I have never been and you and i need to talk about maybe a partnership. i am sorry I haven't gotten out there to visit you again. when are you leaving? I will make it a point to get there. My truck just went to Those guys Customs last Thursday and I will be talking with you.. YES TIM I will be bringing Crashy and I think he had his snipped after he had his last kid so he can lend his to me and I will have 4 then. Should be covered to get it done! If I even top 20 the thing I would be crazy excited. Well if I finish I will be too..:grinpimp:

Trying to figure out what your saying makes my head hurt...

What all is going to be done to your truck / axles / tranny / case ?????? Do you have any sponsors lined up to help out also?

I am going to those guys customs tonight I think to figure it all out. I have spidertrax axles lined up with a LS1 engine to be installed. Howe Hydro steering. Pitbull 37" tires "wheels unknown" Racerx GPS systems. PRP seats. Just about everything I will need with the exception of wheels and a few other things right now. two months to get er done.:beer:

Well we wish you luck down there .

Just bring sandals and some sunblock, its only the desert... Its not like there are guys waiting in the sand pits to center punch you onto your lid and take your # plate. Everyone is real friendly:evil:

And for spare parts on the rig, id say running shoes, a cantine, and a compas with a crayola map to the Hotel 6.

Trying to figure out what your saying makes my head hurt...

I agree.


edit;

Every kingdom needs a court jester, I think KOH has found one.

I am going to those guys customs tonight I think to figure it all out. I have spidertrax axles lined up with a LS1 engine to be installed. Howe Hydro steering. Pitbull 37" tires "wheels unknown" Racerx GPS systems. PRP seats. Just about everything I will need with the exception of wheels and a few other things right now. two months to get er done.:beer:

What lug pattern are you going to be running?

I have no idea man. not sure what options they come but I am sure you can get whatever you want.

Is there going to be a F Toy class or is it just one open class?
Yours isn't near ready.

Oh he told me that was just a misunderstanding that "one" time and only performs nude on holidays. I will steer clear for the holidays coming up:D:flipoff2:

Oh he told me that was just a misunderstanding that "one" time and only performs nude on holidays. I will steer clear for the holidays coming up:D:flipoff2:

Lasttime I was up the Pat was in his welding chaps with nothing on under them:barf:..... I came back later after he was done raping peoples rigs.

Is it lack of sun that makes you PNW guys sense of humor so strange?
Or maybe way too much caffiene?

Yours isn't near ready.


I was going to use yours!:flipoff2:

Careful, Pat at Those Guys fabs nude with just a beanie hat on :eek:

No, I told you I had welding gloves on also :flipoff2:

I was going to use yours!:flipoff2:It'd probably be safer :D :D

Is she still exclusive? Were looking to run it and also bring a freshbuilt 4x Can't we just tag along:grinpimp: After all it is in my backyard.

I cant wait.........

Should be fun for sure. I'm hauling ass to throw my old junk pile together to go this week..

Should be fun for sure. I'm hauling ass to throw my old junk pile together to go this week..

You had better make it........we'll be waiting for you.................

You had better make it........we'll be waiting for you.................

Damn you guys are comming from WA, Thats quite a drive. Have you ever been to the Hammers before? For a drive like that are you guys staying the whole week?

Damn you guys are comming from WA, Thats quite a drive. Have you ever been to the Hammers before? For a drive like that are you guys staying the whole week?



Yes we are leaving today. Yes it is 1200 miles , Odie and us have been there a few times its great. See you there. Come look us up.:smokin:

O.K. If I give the secret handshake can I find out what weekend the race will take place. I won't tell anyone.
regards, as always, jefe
bro of another JR on this board

Ok so I guess this is gonna be an issue, so I'll adress this.

This is a media only event, we have no facilities for spectators what so ever.
We have very strict guildlines from the BLM Barstow district which is allowing this event but with a watchful eye. If you plan on running the trails behind our group we can not stop you, but you will jepordize the future of this event, and the safety of our participants as well as our logistical volunteers. I know it sounds like a great time and everyone is excited and wants to be part of the event. I can not stop you, but please keep in mind if you want to see a KOH in 2009, please respect our difficulties in making this event happen.

I can not stress enough that we will be under the microscope with BLM. This means in no short terms that you should have a green sticker or California registered vehicle if you are not a participant in the race. You should have a KOH media Pass and a "Inland Empire film commision" permit if you are shooting still or other forms of film at the event. BLM will be on site in force, enforcing the terms of our permit. (Media events require this form of permit, and we pay a fee so that they can come enforce it)

We are attempting to impact the area in the least way possible, by holding the event on a week day. We do not wish to take anything away from the people that have no interest in what we are doing and want to wheel the Hammers. That is your right.

There really is no way to watch this race. The course map will not be public knowledge period. KOH will not release the details of this map to the public. What so ever! Race participants will be given the map shortly before the race starts. There is virtually no way you can make plans to watch this race. Currently two people know the course. It will stay this way with the exception of our medical director, and course Marshall untill race day.

I am sorry to sound like a dick, but I feel I need to share the importants of how we as Rocksports fans act during this event. There has been many events in which BLM has felt was less then good for our OHV area's. I know I speak for Dave as well in saying first and formost we hope to have a safe event that is a model of what the BLM wants in special events on public lands.


In order to bring the action to the fans of rock sports we are working very hard to bring it right to your homes. We are working on 3 different forms of race coverage live the day of the event. We are in talks with race day films that will bring a short film to the net in less then 10 days and a TV format style full length shortly after. We hope to offer a DVD as well. There are continued talks with a major cable network that will cover this race, and lets not forget extensive coverage in CRAWL magazine.


The proposed race course is nearly 50 miles long, think about how we will manage that and the amount of work this event will take to insure the safety of all before you make your plans to just jump in behind a group of highly experienced invite only guests. I guess I should exclude Larry GIPson from the above mentioned highly experienced.:flipoff2:


Thanks for understanding, and I hope this sheds some light on the reasons for the secret hand shakes, lack of imformation, and reasons for the exclusive nature of the event. Sorry for any inconvienece.


If you absolutly feel the need to attend, I suggest you contact Survey boy and volunteer for his group of logistical staff, I understand he still needs a few people at road crossings. I suspect the best place outside the comfort of your home to follow the event would be on the lake bed about sundown when the winners are celebrating. Other then that please help us make this event possible in 2009, by following the event on your PC.



I don't wish to debate this, I just hope to shead some light on the reasons the event has very little information out.

Jeff

Awesome post Jeff, thank you for that;)

Great summery, Jeff.
I hope people get it now without being too offended.

It'd probably be safer :D :D

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

:emb2: Ok I'm going to shutup now! See ya in feb..

If you absolutly feel the need to attend, I suggest you contact Survey boy and volunteer for his group of logistical staff, I understand he still needs a few people at road crossings. I suspect the best place outside the comfort of your home to follow the event would be on the lake bed about sundown when the winners are celebrating. Other then that please help us make this event possible in 2009, by following the event on your PC.



Jeff

Jeff and Dave have spent countless hours working on this event. There are lots of things that have to be considered that we don't have a clue about. So please consider that when you think about coming out. We still need helping hands so contact Survey Boy and get involved from that side. I can assure you it will give you a veiw of the race you will not get trying to wing it on your own. Maybe even some contact with some of the elite drivers of our sport.

Most importantly Jeff and Dave are both HUGE Fans of rock sports and racing. They know what you want to see and will provide great coverage for all of us. This will become THE desert race like the B1k if we can help them by doing our part.

The weekend after will be a huge party I bet.

Wayne

x2

Im involved and helping out where I can.

This is one event to get involved and sign up and volunteer.

I promise if you do sign up and get involved, you will not regret it.

We do need more help. we don't have enough people as of right now.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

It wasn't that funny!:flipoff2:


Thanks for the information Jeff. I can't wait for the event coverage.

Well I am at the Motel 8 in Yucca now.. Hitting the trails with Bobby Long and my friend Odie tomorrow.

Well the Hammers is not for pussies.. walked and wheeled wrecking ball today. Met some locals. last years KOH winner co-driver.. So.. How do 43 racers go 40+ miles as fast as they can over the knarliest terrain imaginable? I am not sure but I know that big tires are a big help..:D

You guys don't have a chance. Not an ice cube in hell's chance.
How do I know this? JR won last year's KOH. Maybe It's the fact that he waited at the finish line and no one else showed up. Maybe it's because he never saw another contestant after the 1st 30 seconds of the race.
But, it's probably because he's my brother.
regards, as always, jefe (JR the elder)

You guys don't have a chance. Not an ice cube in hell's chance.
How do I know this? JR won last year's KOH. Maybe It's the fact that he waited at the finish line and no one else showed up. Maybe it's because he never saw another contestant after the 1st 30 seconds of the race.
But, it's probably because he's my brother.
regards, as always, jefe (JR the elder)


Ahh, come 'awn, there's always the chance that he could break something. :flipoff2:

I cant wait to run this race again. Last year was an education. And my hat is still off to the current king, JR!!! And Im gonna nerf Hobie if i see him!!!:flipoff2:
JT

IAnd Im gonna nerf Hobie if i see him!!!:flipoff2:
JT

Your gonna rub elbows with the rainbowmobile??? :barf:

Sorry to start chit glad to see things went well. Got any pics?:D We played at cougar buttes pretty much all day, although we did make to the dry lake on quads to drag. We ended up blowing a hydraulic line so it would have been best not to have happened on the hammers without power steering. Congrats, can't wait for pics of 09.
p.s. When's it coming out in crawl?





oh yeah:flipoff2:

You guys don't have a chance. Not an ice cube in hell's chance.
How do I know this? JR won last year's KOH. Maybe It's the fact that he waited at the finish line and no one else showed up. Maybe it's because he never saw another contestant after the 1st 30 seconds of the race.
But, it's probably because he's my brother.
regards, as always, jefe (JR the elder)

Ya but he ran guys like JT. Theres good teams on this list this time.:flipoff2: You guys keep talkin up JR. You all may just jinx him!

JR, will do either really amazing or really terrible.














It all depends on if he's in front or behind the fireball explosion's shockwave from the Pure Adrenaline truck :nuke:



:flipoff2:





and RJ, I really hope you don't live up to your reputation on this run...I wanna see you finally stretch those wings of yours!

JR, will do either really amazing or really terrible.














It all depends on if he's in front or behind the fireball explosion's shockwave from the Pure Adrenaline truck :nuke:



:flipoff2:





and RJ, I really hope you don't live up to your reputation on this run...I wanna see you finally stretch those wings of yours!

No fires this time......our new engine has no heat rap on the exhaust. Try to play it smart on this race.

Maybe we need to have a time trials situation for tryouts in 2009? :flipoff2:

I think this is the best idea ive herd yet, especially to ensure that the field is full of prepared tallent that is able to prove they have what it takes to WIN!



If you plan on running the trails behind our group we can not stop you, but you will jepordize the future of this event, and the safety of our participants as well as our logistical volunteers.

Jeff


Jeff
You mentioned many times its public land, and your hard work and time in this event is clear but in the above quote you mention your concern of people following the racers. What is ensuring that no one will be out on the trails before the race starts? I know mid week at the hammers usually empty but what stops some jeep club who set out up sledge early in the morning from becoming race traction?

Im not trying to stir the shit or pin you up on the wall, but as i have sat talking about this event with many fellow wheelers, and somone always brings up this question.

Ian

I would think they would see all the teams out there before they start. I know most will be there on wedsday. I know most clubs would not want to interfere. Also I dont think all trails will be used. I'm sure after the race starts they can be told which trails we wont be on.

Ya but he ran guys like JT. Theres good teams on this list this time.:flipoff2: You guys keep talkin up JR. You all may just jinx him!

Ouch!!!!:flipoff2: RJ, I installed an extra fire extinguisher just in case when I pass u and u are on fire, Ill toss it to you!!:flipoff2:

Ouch!!!!:flipoff2: RJ, I installed an extra fire extinguisher just in case when I pass u and u are on fire, Ill toss it to you!!:flipoff2:


yes if you pass me it will only be cause i'm stopped. and I'm proud of you....i figured you would only pee on my flames!:flipoff2: see ya there cant wait.

I would think they would see all the teams out there before they start. I know most will be there on wedsday. I know most clubs would not want to interfere. Also I dont think all trails will be used. I'm sure after the race starts they can be told which trails we wont be on.

That may seem obvious in forsight, but i have run across many folks out there who dont ever pay attention to what events are out there at that time. They are not on the net, and just plan wheeling trips when they get time off work. And no matter what crazy shit is organizing in the lakebed, head out on there favorite trail when the sun rises. Maybe ya'll should be just hoping they get the week before off.

Ian-

well I think I read that the BLM will be watching closly. when we got events here in farmington the BLM does a good job keeping the weekend worriers out of the way. they just recomend them to another area.

I think wheelers who don't know anything about the event and end up out there on Friday will be reasonable about staying off the trails that will be part of the course. Most likely, they'd be more interested in the action than running a trail that day anyway, once they see what's going on.

I think this is the best idea ive herd yet, especially to ensure that the field is full of prepared tallent that is able to prove they have what it takes to WIN!




Jeff
You mentioned many times its public land, and your hard work and time in this event is clear but in the above quote you mention your concern of people following the racers. What is ensuring that no one will be out on the trails before the race starts? I know mid week at the hammers usually empty but what stops some jeep club who set out up sledge early in the morning from becoming race traction?

Im not trying to stir the shit or pin you up on the wall, but as i have sat talking about this event with many fellow wheelers, and somone always brings up this question.

Ian


It has been brought up before and there will be steps taken to be sure they know what is coming. We can't stop them but we can make them aware and the racers aware of what is ahead. During the Original we ran into a few rec wheelers and they were all cool with moving aside or waiting a few till racers went by.

As racers we have to beware of rec wheelers as well.

Wayne

I think this is the best idea ive herd yet, especially to ensure that the field is full of prepared tallent that is able to prove they have what it takes to WIN!




Jeff
You mentioned many times its public land, and your hard work and time in this event is clear but in the above quote you mention your concern of people following the racers. What is ensuring that no one will be out on the trails before the race starts? I know mid week at the hammers usually empty but what stops some jeep club who set out up sledge early in the morning from becoming race traction?

Im not trying to stir the shit or pin you up on the wall, but as i have sat talking about this event with many fellow wheelers, and somone always brings up this question.

Ian



Its a great question Ian, I take no offense what so ever. I have been pretty vocal in the past about the use of our public lands for private usage. Our permit is not set up to exclude anyone from the area. Dave and I believe it is the right of all to use the area. ( You can take out a permit with the BLM to close the area to the public. We have not)

I hope people will respect our event and consider some of the other great trails in the area that we are not using, after all there are many trails in the OHV area.

The main reason we are holding the event during a week day is to limit this trouble.

Here are some steps we are taking.

We will post signage in english and spanish on Boone road warning people there is a race in progress.

We will have a large group of volunteers to man all road crossings to warn people of the race.

We will ask all non race traffic to maintain a safe speed limit

We will have volunteers at trail heads warning drivers of the race and direct them to trails which we are not using. If they wish to use the trails we will inform our logistics staff of there location and attempt to track them. Our hope is that a large portion of our participants will have radio comm units and be informed of the traffic.

Our information package will inform racers that non race traffic has the right of way.

As you can see we are spending a signifigant amount of resources on this possible situation. Adding spectators to this situation would make our race nearly impossible. If it proves to be overwellming we may consider a date or start time change, permit status change, or reconsider the validity of an event of this nature. Can you imagine if people lined the trails? Last year we had people racing 3 and 4 wide in Outer limits, There just is no room for spectators in this race plan. New lines were formed in a moments notice, over obsticles never thought possible. Thats adreniline for you.


Our hope is to begin the race at a somewhat early hour and based on my experience on the lake bed people run the trails later then sooner. Even old guys club of retired meet for coffee and dounuts don't start at O dark thirty on a friday. I believe we will have control of trail traffic and have the trails plugged with broken racers before any group of non informed jeeps on 33's would get started stacking rocks and building roads:laughing:.


JR ran the race last year in 3 hours. We should see the leaders of the event back in camp mid day early afternoon at worst and the rest of the field moving slower or attempting recovery's. I don't think its too much to ask the general public for the use of the trails for half a day one day a year on a week day. I hope they will agree.

Its up to all rock-sports fans to educate the public of what we are attempting to do and suggest they help us make this event safe and enjoyable. I have no delussions that some group of people that do not agree with this event may make a point to do a trail run when the race is scheduled, but it would be a crap shoot as to which trails we are running, There are many miles of OHV trails in the Johnson Valley OHV area, and many are connected by current race courses. It would take a lot of hard work to plan a trail run to dissrupt this race. Just remember its a wide open area, and we are not limited to the trails people currently run. If anyone thinks they know the course route........ think again:flipoff2:

I will point to last years "Pre-run" on established trails with no major disruptions or reported cases of hood traction in a non race participant.


Thanks for the question Ian.

Jeff

RJ, You coulda done a heck of a lot better than that...how bout something like:

if you pass me it will only be cause i'm on my third beer at the finish line cheering you on as you cross it!:flipoff2:


:dustin:

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RJ, You coulda done a heck of a lot better than that...how bout something like:




:dustin:

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Your right!

Wow, it sure seems to me you all are doing about everything practical and reasonable you can to ensure a safe event, even with lookie lous in the area.
Great job. Sounds like fun. I am sure trying to swing it to be there, but it's doubtful. Dang it.

Del

Thanks for helping him Dustin!!!:flipoff2: BTW, congrats on the Dirrtsports article!!

Thanks for helping him Dustin!!!:flipoff2: BTW, congrats on the Dirrtsports article!!

You know, if we keep giving kudos to Dustin, his hat won't fit anymore. LOL :grinpimp:
Del

I have heard that a few f-toys are competing. Are they in a seperate class? Are they going to have to use the standard rules?

I have heard that a few f-toys are competing. Are they in a seperate class? Are they going to have to use the standard rules?
No and yes

So......Dovetail.......hows your new buggy coming along?
Are you still going to take first place? :stirthepot:

So......Dovetail.......hows your new buggy coming along?
Are you still going to take first place? :stirthepot:

ARE YOU DRUNK? HELL NO HE AINT GOING TO GET FIRST PLACE..

Maybe 1st to LAST place behind the F-Toys but I am going none the less and hanging out with all of my best friends. Not a lot of guys doing that.

Maybe 1st to LAST place behind the F-Toys but I am going none the less and hanging out with all of my best friends. Not a lot of guys doing that.

Thats a better answer. Lets see some update pics of the rig you are going there with.

Its coming along

Its coming along

Better get busy and step up the tempo. Flag drop is closer then you think.

my money is on you man. don't let me down:flipoff2:

Wish i could have it down now but Patrick is doing all that he can to make it happen for me. I will be happy just being down there racing my old buggy if need be. i will be there either way. One way in a 4 cylinder and the other an 8. Thanks for the vote of support. May I ask why I have it/?

Every body likes the Under Dog that comes up from no where!

Wish i could have it down now but Patrick is doing all that he can to make it happen for me. I will be happy just being down there racing my old buggy if need be. i will be there either way. One way in a 4 cylinder and the other an 8. Thanks for the vote of support. May I ask why I have it/?

this is monster garage! get with it!

Get your ass over to their shop and help out Larry!! You have to have the new buggy down there for the event.
Your fans are counting on you! :D

Get your ass over to their shop and help out Larry!! You have to have the new buggy down there for the event.
Your fans are counting on you! :D

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

Its coming along



Nice it's a good start.

uhhhhh. :confused:

the event is Feb of '08 right? like a month from now?

Just a warning to anyone that thinks they are coming out to spectate, I will be putting people to work if your caught wandering around looking for someplace to watch this from:smokin:

I am serious

uhhhhh. :confused:

the event is Feb of '08 right? like a month from now?

Yep, Some time in February 08

Yep, Some time in February 08

Nope I heard that is BS and the REAL date is march 7th

Just a warning to anyone that thinks they are coming out to spectate, I will be putting people to work if your caught wandering around looking for someplace to watch this from:smokin:

I am serious


So nobody can watch if we are out of the way?

So nobody can watch if we are out of the way?

Bobby the way I understand it is that there are no provisions for spectating and They are discouraging people from crowding the trails and such. Big Rich is just expressing the need for volunteer help. I think helping man a road crossing or a trail head or check point may be some of the best seats in the house probably even with some radio contact to help keep track of things. Dave will find a primo spot for you if you come down however Big Rich already has dibs on the Cooler Guard spot.

Wayne

Just a warning to anyone that thinks they are coming out to spectate, I will be putting people to work if your caught wandering around looking for someplace to watch this from:smokin:

I am serious

I will vollenteer to help, keep in mind I am driving 1200 miles one way......give me a lawnchair and a radio and I will do my best..............from the the top of the waterfall on wrecking ball!
Odie. :D

I'll be beating this dead horse for the next month. Please help us make this event possible in 2009 and beyond. The race course map will not be made public knowledge, and the course covers 50 miles of the JVOHV area. The logistics for the event are huge and we have partnered with many great people to make this event possible. Even with all that we can not properly handle a spectator contingency.

The event will have multiple media outlets that will insure you much better coverage of the event then showing up. With out the map and proper radio frequency you really will have no way to spectate for this event. It will be much like spectating a Baja race. The participants will fly by a road crossing or section of race course quickly.

Over the last few years a number of trails have been established in JV and as an OHV area we are not limited by the boundries of existing trails. Our 45 invite only guests are all highly skilled drivers (with the exception of maybe one:flipoff2:) and we plan to test them to the fullest extent. " With out risk, there is no adventure" BUT we need to make sure will minimize the risk to non racers in the public OHV area. Please again help us make this event a sucess and watch the event from the comfort of your PC. Hell you could watch from work and get paid and not miss anything.:D

I honestly feel that the best seat in the house is the one you are in right now.




Thank you for helping make KOH the Ultimate desert race.

Hmm.. I wish I could help with the buggy build. I am doing the best I can from here getting them parts to build it. I am not much of a fabber and am trying to stay out of the way. If anyone that knows anything about fabbing wants to help maybe you could contact Patrick. I am open to any suggestions thats for sure..

LArry

206-799-4639

Nope I heard that is BS and the REAL date is march 7th

it was pushed out till April now:eek:

it was pushed out till April now:eek:

Thanks now I know when to ask for time off from work to go hide from Big Rich and watch!! Every weekend in april should do it:smokin:

did some pre running this weekend.

there is some FAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT T sections

did some pre running this weekend.

there is some FAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT T sections

How FAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TT????? :D

How FAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TT????? :D

I probably hit 60 with 300 lbs of water in the front end and way more power than talent left


Edit. I am expecting speeds well in excess of 100

IMO, any rig that can get even close to 100 will be a joke on the trail sections.

That is if there is any trail sections planned for this desert race.

IMO, any rig that can get even close to 100 will be a joke on the trail sections.

Was your speed last year ragged-edge-of-control, or was it just fast enough to stay out in front?

I'm curious because I know my car has been to 90 on the lakebed between Means and Aftershock (dunno what it's called) and that was pretty ragged-edge, but that was also with airshocks and no swaybar. I know it was more controlled with the swaybar, but last year at the KOH "prerun", I don't think we ever got past about 60ish, 'cause of the whooptydoos. On smooth terrain, 60 is no problem, and I think triple digits are attainable, just not sure that my short little wheelbase will hang at that speed.

I am very confused now. The race has been moved back two months? I guess i BETTER go to kingofthehammers and find out. How is anybody thats racing this thing doing pre running? The course is not being released till the day before?

I am very confused now. The race has been moved back two months? I guess i BETTER go to kingofthehammers and find out. How is anybody thats racing this thing doing pre running? The course is not being released till the day before?


Larry, the race is 2/22. The pre ran it last year.

The course is different. Get your junk done.

I just listed all the different roles that we need to account for.

If you are interested in helping out in the following areas:

Checkpoints
Road Crossings
Film/VIP transportation
Safety
Communications

please drop me a line or check us out at www.kingofthehammers.com

I would expect the fast vehicles to hit between 65 and 75 on the lakebeds.

What about my little 4 banger turd? How fast will it go?:D So what are your predictions on my course time? What place will I finish? How much will I beat A2B by?:laughing: Any psycic assistance with those figures will really help!:flipoff2::grinpimp:

:laughing:

EDIT: BTW Larry I got your Atlas, thanx! :flipoff2::laughing:

I cant wait to watch the event coverage!

Was your speed last year ragged-edge-of-control, or was it just fast enough to stay out in front?

With a gps on the lake bed I've done 85. It felt as fast as I would want to go with my current junk. Didn't turn on the gps during the pre run, but gaging by the rpm, and the way it sounded, it was between 80 and 85 on the way out to OL.

Its going to be a blast to see the coverage.

We hit 70mph on the way back from O.L. last spring in the ftoy. No water in the tires. Real easy to go fast between O.L and the small sand dune mountians, but between the sand dunes and the lakebed I'd love to see someone hit 85 mph in a rock buggy.

IMO, any rig that can get even close to 100 will be a joke on the trail sections.




:flipoff2:
http://www.kingofthehammers.com/

3/4 of the way through the teaser there is a little blue and orange Fat City Liberty with a light rack......... It sucks in the slow sections, maybe you need a light rack, or a fat City chassis?:flipoff2: Happy New Year:grinpimp: Get It JR!:p


Don't you read Dirt Sports? Rock Crawling is dead.:shaking::D

Larry, the race is 2/22. The pre ran it last year.

The course is different. Get your junk done.

Damn, can't a guy have some fun:laughing::laughing:

:flipoff2:
http://www.kingofthehammers.com/

3/4 of the way through the teaser there is a little blue and orange Fat City Liberty with a light rack......... It sucks in the slow sections, maybe you need a light rack, or a fat City chassis?:flipoff2: Happy New Year:grinpimp: Get It JR!:p


Don't you read Dirt Sports? Rock Crawling is dead.:shaking::D

IMO,...
:p
Who's Fat City? I have heard of JR Fab :smokin:
I still think that if a car can do a hundred, it won't have what it takes to get through the trail section fast.
There is going to be lots of trail section, right? Or am I in the wrong race :confused: :D

Imo we are all limited to what are front drivelines will handle vibration wise. Tech is worried about window nets. How about some thing worthwhile like driveline hoop requirements. Last trip I hot 75 mph no problem and had pedal left. I think it going to rock:D

I think it's going to rock, too. :p

We keep reading about the fast desert sections. That's all.
So, everybody is spending a lot of time and money to deal with it.
And to go fast cost a lot of time and money.


Personally, I think it would be nice to know what the fawk the actual coarse is so that we can spend our time and money accordingly.

I think if people are led to believe they have to invest in 100 mph equipment, are going to be really disappointed come race day.

:flipoff2:
:)

Imo we are all limited to what are front drivelines will handle vibration wise. Tech is worried about window nets. How about some thing worthwhile like driveline hoop requirements. Last trip I hot 75 mph no problem and had pedal left. I think it going to rock:D

I don't see the problem? The front d-shaft is on the passenger side?:laughing: I agree, it will,"rock"!:smokin:

I think it's going to rock, too. :p

We keep reading about the fast desert sections. That's all.
So, everybody is spending a lot of time and money to deal with it.
And to go fast cost a lot of time and money.


Personally, I think it would be nice to know what the fawk the actual coarse is so that we can spend our time and money accordingly.

I think if people are led to believe they have to invest in 100 mph equipment, are going to be really disappointed come race day.

:flipoff2:
:)

Don't worry JR! Your mog portal boxes, cracked bellhousing and stuck trannie solenoid will be fine.:laughing: Just follow me!:flipoff2: BTW can i put my sandwhich in your new cooler, that way we can have lunch together waitng for the wrecker!:smokin:

Rick:laughing:

Imo we are all limited to what are front drivelines will handle vibration wise. Tech is worried about window nets. How about some thing worthwhile like driveline hoop requirements. Last trip I hot 75 mph no problem and had pedal left. I think it going to rock:D

Driveline loops might be a good idea; my front is right under my legs.

I'm hoping to have time to swap my front to tandem CV's to make it handle offangle vibration better, dunno if it'll happen (the backhalf job is a lot more important) before the race, but it's in the works.

Driveline loops might be a good idea; my front is right under my legs.

I'm hoping to have time to swap my front to tandem CV's to make it handle offangle vibration better, dunno if it'll happen (the backhalf job is a lot more important) before the race, but it's in the works.
Just try to stay out of the er and you should be fine.

BTW can i put my sandwhich in your new cooler, that way we can have lunch together waitng for the wrecker!:smokin:

Rick:laughing:
Yeah, you can. But damnit, Easy, when I'm trying to make a point, would you quit joking with me :flipoff2:

Just try to stay out of the er and you should be fine.

I wrapped up a couple shop rags and a bunch of duct tape around my downbars, and put a nice clean cloth under a ballcap under my welding helmet... and I've been standing up very carefully lately. With a little luck, I'll get some tubework done over the holiday, and then I can go back to only being able to dent (and not cut) my head on nice round tubes again, but we'll see.

Yeah, you can. But damnit, Easy, when I'm trying to make a point, would you quit joking with me :flipoff2:

Sorry, and Happy new year fawker! And to all a good night!:p

Easy.

God knows Dave and I are not making any coin on this, and we don't get to participate in the race, So you'll have to put up with the mind games. That alone is worth the effort.:flipoff2: Glad to see some of you are getting nervous.:p


Drive line hoops.
On our Jeepspeed wrangler we are mandated to run a 4x4 front end. Since we have to run the extra weight we figure we will use the extra traction. I have run that car in excess of 90MPH engaged in 4x4 and have not had any issues with our JE Reel drivelines. I also have run my buggy pre running in Loreto Baja Mex, for multiple days rather hard. I would engage the front end in and out at very high rates of speed. (60 +) No issues. I found that in the case of the Buggy The best handleing was in 4 wheel with out the ARB's engaged. I could run about 15% faster and maintain control. 2 wheel with the ARB on was the most fun for drifting, but it was also the slowest as I was on the edge of control a lot more. In the Buggy case I also use JE Reel drivelines and again no problems, with Drive flanges. The Buggy will run in the neighborhood of the low 90's, but not for long because it gets hot.

I will not tell you the race course location untill Weds before the race, when you check in. I have said all along, Plan for about 50 miles, Milage wise it is spread out between;
Open desert whhoops and G outs. Some single track, mostly multiple lines, some small silt sections.

Hill climbs both sand and dirt/rocks, some sandy sections

and traditional JV style Rock crawling.

The Rock sections are about 50% milage wise, but will be the bulk of the race time wise as the desrt sections will be in the 24-50 MPH range.

Its still a lot of rock crawling, but this will hardly be Crawling. It is a desert race, or a rock Marathon what ever you want to call it?:smokin:


Speaking candidly;
The fastest guy in the desert section is not the winner of the race. You guys will have to find a balancing point. This race is 100% attrition. Thats the Bottom Line. Scott Hartman and I had to learn how to balance that this year in Jeepspeed. It took us all year of racing to figure out how and when we could run all out and still keep the car together. I plan on a hand full of you never making it past the first open desert section, because you will beat yourselves. We see this in Desert racing often. The rush of the start is tough to control. Alan Pflueger talks about it in Dust To Glory. You are your own worst enemy out there.

KOH is all about Planning, Prep, Strategy, Control, and Attrition. You will not have the comfort of knowing Lil Rich would never build a line to hurt you. There will not be any cones to show you the way, or banners to keep you in line. This is open desert racing. Your biggest threat, is yourself.

I suggest a trip to Barstow and run some of the race course out there to prepare you and your car for what we are gonna throw at you. You all know how to crawl, now its time to run!:D

Happy New Year!




PS I had the pleasure of watching a little KOH 2007 film last night and JR and Tracy are just deadly with the rear steer. Too bad all the unsprung weight is a bitch in the whoops.:p {Evil laugh}:evil::flipoff2:

If anyone wants to come out to Barstow and get on the race course, I can help you out. I live in Barstow and the race track is just south of Barstow right on the edge of Town.

The course is a 40-45 mile loop. The course will give you exactly the same style at the Hammers for the go fast portion.

just stopping by to say good luck Larry. i hope you get your new buggy done in time. i hope to make it to the race to help you out.
ttyl

Hey thanks man.. I hope you all are there. I need all my best most talented friends there so when I die of the stress someone will fill my shoes. The young prodigy is workin hard to make all of his friends and family proud. I promise a good show however whatever the end result is. I am looking foward to being there with my friends and doing some trails just as much as racing. Just think of the stories and pictures/video there will be for years to come.. I am very proud to be part of such a paramount event.

Just wondering what happens to the club guys that trip all the way out there from the Pac NW that don't read this board. They get out there on Friday expecting to run some trails. They don't go to Cougar Buttes because they know that there "could" be a comp there, known area and all.

Are those guys outta luck? Public land? You guys gonna run them off whatever trail they feel like running if it's in your way?

Just wondering, because it's not all that clear, especially given the limitations section on public gathering permits issued by the BLM.

--ron

Just wondering what happens to the club guys that trip all the way out there from the Pac NW that don't read this board. They get out there on Friday expecting to run some trails. They don't go to Cougar Buttes because they know that there "could" be a comp there, known area and all.

Are those guys outta luck? Public land? You guys gonna run them off whatever trail they feel like running if it's in your way?

Just wondering, because it's not all that clear, especially given the limitations section on public gathering permits issued by the BLM.

--ron

You're right we don't have exclusive use permits, no one can get them. That is the reason we are running on a Friday morning. The trails will be clear by Friday afternoon and most will be cleared long before that. There will be signs posted at the entrance to lake bed and we will have a marshall at the bottom of every active trail. This was a big part of the drivers packet as well. In fact... here's the section directly from the Drivers Packet


Race Course

The course will be clearly marked. Any driver varying more than 50 feet from the indicated race course are subject to disqualification. Do not run the ‘desert’ sections of the course in reverse under any circumstances.

Although Johnson Valley OHV is an ‘Open’ area. The course was designed to be run on existing roads and trails. Respect the environment.

Right of Way

This is NOT a closed race course. The general public has every right to be out there too. Be cautious of pedestrians, but first and foremost, be courteous. Rude language or aggressive maneuvers while navigating around pedestrians will not be tolerated. Most likely anyone on the trail is there to watch you do your thing. This is the main reason the race is held on a Friday.



Last year during the pre run, a pack of cars met up with some trail guys at the bottom of Wrecking Ball, the first guy explained what they were doing and they all just played through.

I suppose it is quite possible that a group of people could completely understand the days events and still choose to setup a BBQ in the middle of the Z turn on Sledge, in the event of that extreme situation, we have the ability to stop the race for the affected parties until it can be resolved.

...


Well done. I think it reflects the attitude and understanding that should be displayed if there were to be a conflict.

--ron

BBQ in tHE Z-turn, now that's funny, and it's really happened to me!
Couple of TJ's stopped to cook lunch a couple of years ago.

Couple of TJ's stopped to cook lunch a couple of years ago.

What do TJ's eat?

axles

[QUOTE=Captain Ron;7731260]Well done. I think it reflects the attitude and understanding that should be displayed if there were to be a conflict.

--ron[/QUOTE
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Larry,


What ever became of your KOH race? Did your rig ever make it off the line?

Yea we did make it off the line and passed our first guy within a couple miles and was within 200 yards of Tracy when my truck overheated. The fan was turning backwards,. Rewired the fan and in doing so cause a short with a ground on the power wire which traveled across the back of the dash board. Crash re-wired the fans and got us going again to loose a fuel pump past check point #1. We gave it a hell of a effort and were stoked to make it through tech and start the race. Could not have done it without my team. we hope to be back next year with a better grasp on what needs done and a well tested rig. It was a learning experience but a fun one.