These images were posted on a gun forum i frequent and the manufacturer is unkown. I would love to get my hands on one of these bad boys. Could it be a spikes tactical?
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a67/BLindsley/m4-pirate-selector1.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a67/BLindsley/m4-pirate-receiver1.jpg

:laughing: I wish our CNC engraver at work was able to do that :( I am debating TIGing my other receiver to cover the old marks and figuring something custom.

I can't see the pics (Photobucket is blocked at work) but Spike's Tactical does offer lowers with the Calico Jack laser engraved.

http://spikestactical.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41_23&products_id=55

Orion Arms can do engraving also.

http://orion-arms.com/new/content/view/5/6/ (scroll down to the pics for examples)

So where's the Baconator or the Pwnzerizer lower? So, $200 for plunder eh? :D

:laughing: I wish our CNC engraver at work was able to do that :( I am debating TIGing my other receiver to cover the old marks and figuring something custom.




wouldn't that be illegal?

wouldn't that be illegal?

Just the safe and fire.....no numbers. :D

Theres another thread discussing custom AR lowers....

I like "ON" and "OFF" but the possibilities are endless with the right shop.

Mustard/Ketchup
Biscuits/Gravy
Live/Die
Love/Hate
Friend/Foe
No/Yes

:flipoff2:

I'm debating on engraving the selector on my billet AR10 lower to "chicken/beef/bacon" but it seemed vaguely corny, and more frustrating since I can't get it to go to "bacon" anyway. :(

Also tempting to do a Spinal Tap theme, and number it... to eleven, of course. :laughing:

more frustrating since I can't get it to go to "bacon" anyway. :(



Sure you can :laughing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVfwFP_RwTQ

Also tempting to do a Spinal Tap theme, and number it... to eleven, of course. :laughing:

only if you finish it in pastel black :laughing: Bev would want mine if I made an AR that went to 11 :laughing:

Do Love, Hate, Angry. Only real pirates would get it though :laughing:

BlueBalls/2ndBase/HomeRun

BlueBalls/Blowjob/Anal

Caucasian/Minority/IllegalImmigrant (too long and grossly inappropriate :laughing: )

Is an FFL required to custom engrave/duracoat etc? I can do any of this work physically, I just want to be sure its legal to do so...

Is an FFL required to custom engrave/duracoat etc? I can do any of this work physically, I just want to be sure its legal to do so...


you can do whateverthefawk you want as long as the serial number and makers name stay the same :D shit, its just a "engraved" firearm.

are you talking to your OWN weapons or fo others?

I know I can do mine, wondering if I do a favor for someone else, if I'll get fuct...

we had a local engraver do a lot of work for us...even serialized some stuff we manufactured...then we bought an engraving machine...


does that help?

I know I can do mine, wondering if I do a favor for someone else, if I'll get fuct...

My understanding is, if you engrave on something (firearm) that somebody else owns while they're there, you're fine.

If they're not there (my understanding is, the whole time, within a reasonable level of control of their firearm), you're taking posession of it, which, by my understanding, requires that you be FFL'd as a gunsmith or dealer or manufacturer to legally do, and you have to do the logbook thing.

I may be wrong on this one, but if nothing else, nobody else has answered that side of the question that I think you're asking, so maybe they'll roast me for being full of it and you'll get a more solid answer. :)

My understanding is, if you engrave on something (firearm) that somebody else owns while they're there, you're fine.

If they're not there (my understanding is, the whole time, within a reasonable level of control of their firearm), you're taking posession of it, which, by my understanding, requires that you be FFL'd as a gunsmith or dealer or manufacturer to legally do, and you have to do the logbook thing.

I may be wrong on this one, but if nothing else, nobody else has answered that side of the question that I think you're asking, so maybe they'll roast me for being full of it and you'll get a more solid answer. :)


i think you are dead on.

Scott has it.
The serial numbered item must either stay in the FFLs possession or it must be transfered to you.
In CO Scott could come down to CO Springs and I would run a back ground check, and could then give him a dozen receivers. It doesn't cost any money for the back ground check.
When the stuff is done I could go back up and pick it up and then log it back into my books.
The only condition is that as a dealer the person receiving the items must be in my shop unless they have an FFL.

Since CA has so many foocked up gun laws, this would be much more difficult for GoZuki. Unless the person sat there the whole time.

So maybe next time I go visit the inlaws I should bring a couple cases of AR lowers :D

Now this only applies to FFL holders. Private "sales" are handled differently. In CO a private individual could "give" firearms to Scott. Then he could "give" them back later.

Pete

then we bought an engraving machine...
does that help?

How much did that cost?
What model/brand?
You doing engraving for others?

Now this only applies to FFL holders. Private "sales" are handled differently. In CO a private individual could "give" firearms to Scott. Then he could "give" them back later.

Not meaning to make a convoluted mess, but if my buddy Dave "gives" me a bunch of guns, guns that are legal for me (or him) to own, and at a later date I "give" the same guns back to him, but he pays me for decorating (paint/powder/park/engraving/chrome/whatever) them while they were in my possession... wouldn't that make me a dealer of sorts, and an illegal one if I don't have an FFL? I'm not really dealing guns, just decorating stuff, but if the stuff I'm decorating happens to be/include guns, that gets kinda sticky, no?

Not meaning to make a convoluted mess, but if my buddy Dave "gives" me a bunch of guns, guns that are legal for me (or him) to own, and at a later date I "give" the same guns back to him, but he pays me for decorating (paint/powder/park/engraving/chrome/whatever) them while they were in my possession... wouldn't that make me a dealer of sorts, and an illegal one if I don't have an FFL? I'm not really dealing guns, just decorating stuff, but if the stuff I'm decorating happens to be/include guns, that gets kinda sticky, no?

Technically yes, you need a license to do that.

so does anyone see any structural or machining issues with TIGing the current markings on an AR and milling new ones? (sorry I am not all up to spec on aluminum metallurgy, I know steel)

bought used for $3000...when the original owner sold out, he took it with him...

I have been looking for a replacement...

so does anyone see any structural or machining issues with TIGing the current markings on an AR and milling new ones? (sorry I am not all up to spec on aluminum metallurgy, I know steel)

I'm certainly not an engineer but I think welding a forged piece this small and under such loads, that it could cause it to crack.

so does anyone see any structural or machining issues with TIGing the current markings on an AR and milling new ones? (sorry I am not all up to spec on aluminum metallurgy, I know steel)

On the side of the magwell, I'd be surprised if it'd cause an issue, particularly given the construction of the DPMS single-shot lower in that other thread where I had a Tuesday moment. :laughing:

If it was more than just the side of the magwell, I'd be a little more concerned, but there shouldn't be any real stress on the portions of the lower that I'd think you'd be welding up.

That said, if you can weld it up and machine it smooth again, how much more/less work would it really be to just buy an 80% lower, finish it, and then engrave it first-time-around? Or, for that matter, engrave and then finish it, so that it's not technically a firearm when you give it to the engraver, and you/they don't have to deal with the legal aspect?

so does anyone see any structural or machining issues with TIGing the current markings on an AR and milling new ones? (sorry I am not all up to spec on aluminum metallurgy, I know steel)


i believe they are made from 7075 which is very crack prone when welding if i remember correctly. i am almost positive that 7075 isn't very weld friendly.

edit: if i am thinking of the right alloy, it will crack as it cools with out any other stresses introduced. i will have to go look in some books to make sure i am correct.

That said, if you can weld it up and machine it smooth again, how much more/less work would it really be to just buy an 80% lower, finish it, and then engrave it first-time-around? Or, for that matter, engrave and then finish it, so that it's not technically a firearm when you give it to the engraver, and you/they don't have to deal with the legal aspect?


Find me an 80% that is not as much or more than a 100%

found out i was done by Tom Sawyer who has since sold the biz to Orion Arms IIRC.
http://www.orion-arms.com/new/

Find me an 80% that is not as much or more than a 100%

Find a buddy with a Bridgeport to borrow and do up a 0%, Doc! I might try that after I get some other guns built.

Anyway, I'm not completely sure if it would affect this or not but most of the forged lowers that are availiable run a T6 temper. I believe the heat from the Tig would ruin the temper locally, potentially weakening the receiver in that area. You may be able to re-temper afterwards, though but I'm not sure if you'll crack the lower during the welding process.

It sounds kind of ghetto fab but why not try filling the engravings in with a metal epoxy putty (Devcon or similar) and adding your own engraving?

It sounds kind of ghetto fab but why not try filling the engravings in with a metal epoxy putty (Devcon or similar) and adding your own engraving?

i think that is going to be the best bet. you don't want to weld 7075. i haven't found the exact reason yet but did find for sure that it is not considered weldable.

i think that is going to be the best bet. you don't want to weld 7075. i haven't found the exact reason yet but did find for sure that it is not considered weldable.

7075 is "hardened" in a sense and yes, it is very crack prone. since you are only filling in engraving, it shouldnt be as much of a problem. just bury the fawker in a bucket of sand as soon as you are done welding. the anodizing will probably cause you more trouble than its worth though.