: newb here


keelay
11-15-2007, 01:27 PM
ok i done some wheeling before but never in this. i got a 84 wagoneer for a trade. its ben through a few hands, a few incompetent hands. the guy who has it now says it was a 6 cyl originally, but im not sure. it now has a 318, and prolly a 727. t-case not sure of. it still has the 44 up front, but the rear isnt a dana, its rounded like the 8.25, but more rounded, im thinking amc 20. it has a homemade front bumper that resembles a front porch. had a winch at one time, but not anymore.
problems:
the motor has a few issues, wiring looks like a rats nest, but everything works right, just ugly and in the way. carb linkage is all effed up, have to manually bypass the high idle. lower rad hose leaks under pressure. thats about it for the motor, just minor b.s.
the rear hatch door thing. window quit rolling up at some point, so some idiot decided to take it off the track, and wrap some sheet metal-like straps around it and then screw it to the outside of the hatch (fugly).
the whole thing is camo! it really doesnt matter that much, its gonna get beat hard.

the good:
its not 6cyl power
its on brand new 33x12.50 TSL's
the rear is welded (not sure if that should be in the good or bad considering the quality of everything else owner built)
everything electrical works (cept the two passenger pwr windows)
the big ass bumper sucks for approach, but annihilates trees
brand new upholstery (quality job, must not have been the owners doing)
3 inch body lift

advice needed,
where i wheel is a mixture of everything except hard core rocks.
dirt, and rock hills, lotsa huge ruts, mud, ( i hate mud, to expensive), lots of off camber hills mixes with ruts, and mud and fallen trees. and most of the trails are just big 4 wheeler trails. our usual line up is tj's, yj's, and xj's.
the one xj is midly cut for these trails. mirrors have been long gone (thats how tight these trails are). the advice im looking for is where to start modifying? besides the obvious fixing stuff.
my current plans:
spring over the front
4 inch springs plus whatever bock is needed to level it (cant find any 6" springs)
36's when the 33's are gone and some fender trimming
onboard air and welder (homemade of course)
and in the future some 404 portals.

i am a competent and certified mechanic and have full ability to do anything myself, so dont limit the suggestions.
thanks

mesha
11-15-2007, 03:24 PM
advice needed,
where i wheel is a mixture of everything except hard core rocks.
dirt, and rock hills, lotsa huge ruts, mud, ( i hate mud, to expensive), lots of off camber hills mixes with ruts, and mud and fallen trees. and most of the trails are just big 4 wheeler trails. our usual line up is tj's, yj's, and xj's.
the one xj is midly cut for these trails. mirrors have been long gone (thats how tight these trails are). the advice im looking for is where to start modifying? besides the obvious fixing stuff.
my current plans:
spring over the front
4 inch springs plus whatever bock is needed to level it (cant find any 6" springs)
36's when the 33's are gone and some fender trimming
onboard air and welder (homemade of course)
and in the future some 404 portals. [quote]


You've got a cool rig.
Ditch the bumper.
spring over is a good idea.
Do a shackle flip in the rear. Pretty easy to do and will net good lift and keep the springs close to the same softness. We did this on my brother waggy and it works great. We used a dual shacle to get a little more flex.
on board air would be cool so would the welder. I went with a co2 tank and a ready welder. Not homemade, not as cheap, but very portable. I can have them in any vehicle.
the rear is an amc 20. Don't be afraid of it the waggy ones have 1 piece shafts instead of 2 like the cj versions. They are actually pretty stout. I would weld the tubes though , they spin.
check rusty's for the 6 inch lift springs I think they sell them.
I would do an exhaust on it those years are terrible.
It probably has a 360 which is pretty cool. I would put fuel injection on it rather than mess with the crb. Buy a kit from affordable fuel injection they have great customer service and the kit was a good fit.
Oh yeah change the axle gears. the waggys usually suck.
good luck and keep us posted.

keelay
11-15-2007, 06:08 PM
well as far thte exhaust goes, this is alabama, rust really isnt an issue. but it does have duals run with some glass packs. shitty 2" tho.
gears are a definate
fuel injection is gonna happen, but i was thinkin of swapping in a fuel injected 360 from a later model truck. or im considering a 4bt swap.
i like the portability of the powertank, but dont like the idea of when its out, its out. i do have a air tank i built out of an old propane tank for a grill, that i carry with me. its about the same size as the power tank isnt it?

mesha
11-16-2007, 09:15 AM
well as far thte exhaust goes, this is alabama, rust really isnt an issue. but it does have duals run with some glass packs. shitty 2" tho.
gears are a definate
fuel injection is gonna happen, but i was thinkin of swapping in a fuel injected 360 from a later model truck. or im considering a 4bt swap.
i like the portability of the powertank, but dont like the idea of when its out, its out. i do have a air tank i built out of an old propane tank for a grill, that i carry with me. its about the same size as the power tank isnt it?

a co2 tank is much smaller than a propane tank. Also the co2 tank is at a few thousand psi. The co2 turns liquid at that pressure. a 10# co2 tank holds 640 gallons worth of air. So if your propane tank is 5 gallons it would take 128 of them to equal 1 10# co2 tank. Also the co2 has constant pressure. However, when it's out it's out. If you do onboard with your ac pump if you have one then air is limitless. (unless the motor is not running) It is nice to not have to pay to fill up the co2 tank, but it only costs like 12 bucks to do it and you get like 40 tire fills out of it. There are positives and negatives to both.
If your exhaust is dual then it isn't as bad as 2" single. A motor swap is cool, but I am too lazy to do those.

Knuckelhead
11-16-2007, 03:37 PM
Air with the motor running or not...
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/knuckelhead/puma21.jpg

keelay
11-19-2007, 06:30 PM
done some work yesterday on the waggy. it is a 318, guy says it came from a 84 dodoge truck. the t case im not sure of. it has the normal round metal tag, but not like any of the ones i have seen. but it does say 231 on it. so im guessing it is a np231. the rear is a amc 20.
and as far as the air goes, on board with 2 engine driven pumps (one low pressure high volume, one high pressure) i can fill a custom sized tank (prolly about 20gal) really quick. and have the flow to operate air tools as well. that way i dont have to pay to refill. and seeing as how most of my group wheel at night, when the welding shop is closed, i couldnt take a chance on airing down or anything with no air.

cdub0451
11-19-2007, 11:46 PM
Yes, that would be a np231. The whole drivetrain except the axles prolly came out of that truck.