i think someone just got thrown under the bus:laughing:


may be a repost, but look at #60

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633289&page=3

sorry justin, but i have been under this bus too.:flipoff2:

Wow. That thing is an even bigger piece of absolute junk than I had imagined.

ahhh yeah. bronco dude. he pulled me out after i broke a outer front 60 shaft. Instead of using his winch he floored it even though I was bound up on a log. Its ok though, I learned you cannot weld to cast iron very well :)

hence my reprovsion of the mount on 1 side. He didn't even try hellderado.

ahhh yeah. bronco dude.

Bronco...that's a Dodge right?
:shaking:

-Jeff

Look at the fenders :flipoff2:

It's a K5:flipoff2:

That thing needs a Hendrix chassis stat.

blazer yeah... ask me how much I care?

blazer yeah... ask me how much I care?

Yep. We pretty much figured you're an apathetic mofo, what with your disregard for safety, engineering, logic, skill, talent... etc. :flipoff2:

it's a ugly pile of shit.

:barf:

Make excuses for it all you want, but the cage, welds on the cage, and ratchet strapped in fuel tank are just retarded and dangerous. You are a clown.

...and you sir are a ....service tech?

take it easy on justin, its not like he drives that thing on the road. just don't bring any passengers with you:flipoff2:


justin, just fix the obvious, ugly is one thing, even poorly performing, but do the safety stuff. i have cut a lot of corners too in the past and even the present. but now i realize how the corner cutting always costs more and takes more time in the long run.

since i threw you under the bus here, and i meant it only in good fun. if you need any kind of help i can offer, i am at your service. you are not a clown. maybe just a little too eager to get on the trail.

Yes ma'am- up to my elbow in a Range Rover Sport gas tank at the moment.

Yes ma'am- up to my elbow in a Range Rover Sport gas tank at the moment.

Lip Service Tech :flipoff2:

Whassametter? Didn't like playing Herb Tarlek for a living?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/49/200px-Frank_Bonner_on_WKRP.jpg

:flipoff2:

as god is my witness, i thought turkeys could fly...

I spent too much money on tools to let them sit unused!

Make excuses for it all you want, but the cage, welds on the cage, and ratchet strapped in fuel tank are just retarded and dangerous. You are a clown.

thanks mr ranger.

Ratchet strap on the fuel tank.... yeah that's dangerous. It keeps the tank in place. wow what was I thinking. You think it's any different up there than down below the body? All the air vapor lines are all hooked up same as stock, it's actually safer up there because it won't get hit by rocks. explain genius.

the cage sucks. I used the resources I had in my possesion at the time. It's evolution. I don't want to flop 180 on the top the way it is now, and because I know that I avoid that. It's possible. It's not a rockcross or anything.

Let me sum it up this way. Wheeling this year 80%, working on rig 10%, thinking out what and how I going to do things next 10%. I sure had alot of fun wheeling without injury!!

Now, during these winter months I can spend 20% time thinking things out. fuck i am messed up. FYI don't ride shotgun with me.

[QUOTE=krazz1e;7536248]thanks mr ranger.



Let me sum it up this way. Wheeling this year 80%, working on rig 10%, thinking out what and how I going to do things next 10%. I sure had alot of fun wheeling without injury!!

QUOTE]

Man you need to read some of the tragedies that happened in this community over the past year...do a search here. No one wants to see anyone get hurt or killed, so don't be so arrogant about not getting hurt when your safety issues are questionable. You roll the dice enough...just take some suggestions here, and you seem to be willing to do work, and get a safer setup going for your rig. People are only giving you a hard time because they care.

from a constructive criticism standpoint, i have often been the trail plug. i hate being "that guy". so i now put in 80 percent fab and design and 10 percent wheeling. and since i have adopted that philosophy, i have been invited to wheel with some pretty substantial dudes. not because i am awesome, but largely because they know they wont have to haul me off of their trails.

i now have a small cadre of friends and we have begun to be a lot more picky ourselves at who we will wheel with, because if we have some half assed truck with us, we know it will be a 3 in the am affair fixing their broke shit. and we can't just leave them dead on the trail. so we try to regulate that before we even go out.

it is a bad day when an entire front end comes off a truck and we are on a 4 plus obstacle.:(

I thought you were trying to sell it anyways?

i don't wheel or fab, i spend all day trying to think of whitty retorts to post on here...

ah jesus spork, i almost had the attention off of you for like 4 days...:flipoff2:

ah jesus spork, i almost had the attention off of you for like 4 days...:flipoff2:

just put him on your ignore list it's easier than listening to all his crying

-ben

just put him on your ignore list it's easier than listening to all his crying

-ben

Ben, don't hate, i'm just bringing more tech to this super hardcore thread. there already seemed to be too much in the "look at this model land rover" thread.

I think the point is that even though you didn't have the proper tools at your disposal to build the cage, you did a seriously DGAF job of it. You can actually use a mittered butt joint in a cage without too much loss in strength, but the joint pictured in the other thread is seriously haggard and unsafe. People give you shit about it because we don't want to see you or your passenger injured or killed, which is a distinct possibility with that cage. The ratchet straps on the gas tank are a bad idea, a bolt in metal strap is the right way to do that, but it's not nearly as bad as the booger welded "roll cage".

maybe the cage will absorb all the energy of the roll as it's crushing and it will prevent it from rolling more than once...

[QUOTE=aaron t; you are not a clown. maybe just a little too eager to get on the trail.[/QUOTE]

meh-
yes

you guys are all right... the cage is an unsafe pile of shit. Not going to dispute that.

I don't know what the plans for this rig are. Maybe I'll start with a true buggy frame and build off that, or I may go back to a regular disco. Not sure.... I think rovertruggy is reaching the end of the road, no sense dumping $ into a piece of junk.

:hot: flame on

dude, just cut the cage off and start over. shit three sticks of tube will make a safe enuff truggy cage. it can still be a pile of shit and wheel like hell. you could do it in just a couple of days.

and for gods sake...don't give in that easily.

look at spork he will beat an entire stable of dead horses.:flipoff2:

yee haw :flipoff2:

People are only giving you a hard time because they care.


Gotta disagree with you there. I don't care. He's just a target of opportunity. Much like the gimped out zebra that wanders away from the herd. :flipoff2:

no one cares and that's fine. I'm not looking for sympathy or acceptance. If I did that I would of never got this far. It would be in the garage still being worked on to make it "approved" for the internet community.

wheel whats your brung.

Justin what is holding you up on working on the cage? Do you need tube bent for it? No one local to do it? I am sure someond here could bend something up generic for you to cut to fit. You can notch with a grinder. A B-pillar maybe? UPS will ship it with a labe affixed to the tube.

JP

Justin

you just need to go back to basics

dump all that tubing and go with a old fashioned 8 pt cage

as a kid watching stock cars flip upside down at 100+ mph with a standard old 8 pt cage welded to a all factory frame makes me believe that it would be plenty strong for a 3mph flop.

simple will do you well

keep the spirit and remember why you wheel

Thom

just put him on your ignore list it's easier than listening to all his crying

-ben

Or avoid any post with Sporky of Justin posting in them.

Is it time to whine about the direction the forum is going-again?

Seems to be a lot of booty fab, poor engineering and stupid defense of indefensible work/engineering/fab. It didn't used to be this way.

With luck, tomorrow I'll be posting up some pictures asking for some collaboration on a new project that will begin next week. Perhaps as a result of this project being more collaborative, we might get some good discussion and some unique design work.

Or avoid any post with Sporky of Justin posting in them.

Seems to be a lot of booty fab, poor engineering and stupid defense of indefensible work/engineering/fab. It didn't used to be this way.

With luck, tomorrow I'll be posting up some pictures asking for some collaboration on a new project that will begin next week. Perhaps as a result of this project being more collaborative, we might get some good discussion and some unique design work.

everyone saw where the sterlingautosports build was going from the beginning, but some people seemed to welcome it back...?:shaking: the only people defending sterling's build are his "20 post" buddies, and they will probably leave when he does. as for unique design work, every new idea or discussion that i've started or seen started has been flamed to death...most of the guys in here don't want unique design work, they want everyone to do it how they did it because it's the best way...and god forbid anyone thinks of using springs that weren't specifically made for a land rover, or spending more money on nicer shocks b/c they consider them "bling."

neither justin nor i have started any of this. justin didn't really try to defend his booty fab either, he knew it was shitty. aaron threw justin under the bus...then acted like he didn't know people were all going to jump on him....come on, it's pirate. and as amusing as the picture of justin's rig sans front end was, we all already new the quality of the construction.

i know you all need someone to flame to make feed your inner e-tough guy. i flame where flaming is deserved as well. despite the fact that many of you don't like me b/c i stir things up, i'm a better machinist than most of the guys in here...and where have i posted something that would indicate i don't know what i'm talking about?

so let's see this new project.

Seems to be a lot of booty fab, poor engineering and stupid defense of indefensible work/engineering/fab. It didn't used to be this way.

Don't forget that jackass asking for advice on the 03 Range Rover. :shaking:

so let's see this new project.

I ran out of steam this afternoon and took a nap instead of taking pictures.

We're starting with a '97 Disco, five inch RTE lift, modestly built 4.0, headers, fuel cell, internal cage, summit style seats, five-point harnesses, front and rear winches, on-board fire suppression, etc. It's pretty well stripped down, but the owner wants to remove as much weight as possible, starting with the glass (Lexan?) and the top half of the body.

Issues to be addressed include a windscreen frame, capping for the body parts when the top is removed, modifying the cage to allow for a tilt support, rear door/tailgate profile, and whatever else can be done to reduce weight.

I'll try to post up some stupidly detailed pictures so we can try to visualize how to do this job.

Seems your in a world all your own here. Maybe its just best to give up and move on since none of "us" are good enough for you expectations. Seems like the writing on the wall to me.

Many of us have seen plenty of sporks come and go here. We can deal with your loss.

One generalization for another.

JP

everyone saw where the sterlingautosports build was going from the beginning, but some people seemed to welcome it back...?:shaking: the only people defending sterling's build are his "20 post" buddies, and they will probably leave when he does. as for unique design work, every new idea or discussion that i've started or seen started has been flamed to death...most of the guys in here don't want unique design work, they want everyone to do it how they did it because it's the best way...and god forbid anyone thinks of using springs that weren't specifically made for a land rover, or spending more money on nicer shocks b/c they consider them "bling."

neither justin nor i have started any of this. justin didn't really try to defend his booty fab either, he knew it was shitty. aaron threw justin under the bus...then acted like he didn't know people were all going to jump on him....come on, it's pirate. and as amusing as the picture of justin's rig sans front end was, we all already new the quality of the construction.

i know you all need someone to flame to make feed your inner e-tough guy. i flame where flaming is deserved as well. despite the fact that many of you don't like me b/c i stir things up, i'm a better machinist than most of the guys in here...and where have i posted something that would indicate i don't know what i'm talking about?

so let's see this new project.

Maybe its just best to give up and move on....

like you'd be so lucky. besides, you'd quickly run out of things to reply to. the only stuff here lately besides my posts are the "my 199x rrc won't run right after i did xxxxx to it. why?"

We're starting with a '97 Disco, five inch RTE lift, modestly built 4.0, headers, fuel cell, internal cage, summit style seats, five-point harnesses, front and rear winches, on-board fire suppression, etc. It's pretty well stripped down, but the owner wants to remove as much weight as possible, starting with the glass (Lexan?) and the top half of the body.

nice - sounds like where I'd like to take mine (minus the NASA fire suppression - please :shaking: .....)

interested to see pixs of the starter truck

nice - sounds like where I'd like to take mine (minus the NASA fire suppression - please :shaking: .....)

interested to see pixs of the starter truck

If you'd seen the fire-damaged trucks we have, you'd appreciate the fire system! These trucks go up so quickly that there is just no time to do much more than get out of the truck before it's too late.

I'll try to get pics posted later today if I can keep up the momentum.

I could of just done my own thing and not have posted my progress like I have, but I do like to get input from everyone and take constructive criticism. Not all of us as experts or have this as our profession, and this is where I feel a forum such as this is valuable behind all the BS. There are some of us wheelers that build to wheel to go to the next challenge. Then there are some that overbuild to go to a mud pit, then there are some that build just to park it at the mall and show off the "high quality build". Which one are you?

To some, function over form is not acceptable. Some want form and function where 1 is more important than the other. With unlimited amount of $ funds I would want that too, but we are not all so lucky so we work within our constraints depending on what our goals are.

My build has flaws but this particular flaw no one caught here. I learned that you must apply certain techniques to weld to cast iron, the hard way. I wheeled a full day before it failed and it failed under some extreme conditions. Nothing wrong with that I move on.

keep wrenching dude. it will be cool one day. i still have a giant pile of crap. it is ass ugly, but it has become safer and more functional as the days wear on. i started very similar to what you did. i wheeled. i flopped. i broke. i learned.


it could be worse, you could be spork:flipoff2:

by the way. posting your pic for me was only in good fun. i am sorry for any angry responses you got here. there are sometimes a few too many bunched up panties with sandy vag's here:flipoff2:

some of these guys need to wheel and laugh more. this is wheeling not sand racing. most people who have died had very well made trucks and great cages. it was most often something else, like alcohol or no seat belts or both.

by the way. posting your pic for me was only in good fun. i am sorry for any angry responses you got here. there are sometimes a few too many bunched up panties with sandy vag's here:flipoff2:


LOL, I have seen pics of my truck stuck in the mud on websites all over the world! There are far worse things than finding pics of your truck posted online.

If you're gonna get upset about shit like that, it's time to get off the intarweb.

Call Rock Ware. They are producing a bolt on buggy to fit Disco and Classic Rangie frames. The first one is almost finished. They designed it to work with all the stock parts like the column/ brakes, fuel tank, seats,etc. All you need is a stock Rover. Body, hood, axles, wheels, tires, lockers, and gears all estimated at around 10 grand. That's a smokin deal. I ordered mine already:D

the chassis is ten grand? or are you talking about all the other bullshit?


ten grand for a total build isn't too bad, otherwise.


last post is worthless without pictures...:flipoff2:

It's pretty well stripped down, but the owner wants to remove as much weight as possible, starting with the glass (Lexan?) and the top half of the body...and whatever else can be done to reduce weight.

I like this project already...Good to see/read you back on your feet PT...

If we were gonna build a buggy, it would be on either an X-chassis like Doug's, or a Bowler (there were lengthy discussions on that topic already).

I got my camera going last night (get ready Mike, it's the one that takes the crappy pics) so we might have some pics today.

Nadim-you're invited to come out and help cut it up! I'm working on either buying or borrowing a plasma to help things along.

Now to go measure the bender for the stand and see about some dies. Anybody bent tube with a Howron Brute Bender?

Cheers,
PT

Here's a few spy photos. Ten grand is the target price for everything.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l26/roverbuggy/rockware4.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l26/roverbuggy/rockware3.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l26/roverbuggy/rockware.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l26/roverbuggy/rockware1.jpg

Lemme get this straight. $10K for a Rover chassis with tube bent around it?

I like the execution of it (and most of the rest of Pike's Peak's stuff) but it doesn't look like anything most of us here couldn't do for a lot less, but if somebody wanted a partially built setup, it might be a good starting point.

When I was at the Sodbury a coupla years ago, I was amazed at what $2000 would get you for a space frame. Granted, the economy was very different and the exchange rate much better than current, but there were several guys selling either Bowler-esque frames or similar for around $2000. Shipping to the US would be an issue, but not an $8,000 issue.

Stock Rover + 10 grand = buggy. The tube body and hood alone doesn't cost ten grand. 10 grand is what it will cost to purchase the body, hood, axles, gears , lockers, 37's, spacers and other misc items taking you from stock to hardcore quickly and affordable. Obviousley alot cheaper if your Rig is already set up with gears, axles, lockers, tires, etc.

Somebody from Rockware post up in a new thread about this.
I'd like a better idea of what it REALLY costs for the tube body...

man that is a nice lookin chassis. how much for just the tube chassis? i have the drive train now, but that would be awesome.

The bolt on tube body with winch mount is a roomy 2 seater or tight 3 or 4 seater depending on fuel tanks. Starts at $2500 and and $3500 for seat mounts, column mounts, brake and pedal mounts etc. Your best bet is to contact them directly if your interested. I just threw this out because seemed appropriate for this thread.

The target market for this chassis lowend $2500 for bare chassis, to highend $3500 fully tabed. This is a bolt on chassis no special tools need for install. We are still in the marketing stage for this chassis. Looking for input on what you as a consumer would want. Such as grab handles, fuel tank mount, dash tab mounts, and etc... The car in the photos should be complete sometime around end of Jan. We will have patterns for floor kits, fire wall and dashes as part of an upgrade package. It will be able to be bought as a chassis to full turnkey with any changes the customer would like. I know there are ??? out there so Feel free to call us at (719)328-0796.

JTM

It looks cool, but I dont really get it. Why not get a RRC for 1-2K and wheel it. Maybe add a basic interior roll bar for another 1k. What does the other 7k get you?

-Jeff

The target market for this chassis lowend $2500 for bare chassis, to highend $3500 fully tabed. This is a bolt on chassis no special tools need for install. We are still in the marketing stage for this chassis. Looking for input on what you as a consumer would want. Such as grab handles, fuel tank mount, dash tab mounts, and etc... The car in the photos should be complete sometime around end of Jan. We will have patterns for floor kits, fire wall and dashes as part of an upgrade package. It will be able to be bought as a chassis to full turnkey with any changes the customer would like. I know there are ??? out there so Feel free to call us at (719)328-0796.

JTM

It think it's pretty sweet. Classics are now pretty much the cheapest coil sprung platform in the universe, and right out of the box they have a very workable suspension. With Longfields, Toys (which go to 4.88 pretty cheaply), and some longer shocks you've got decent axles and a suspension that will out flex the formula toys and other low buck frame buggies. Props for putting these out, anything that might bring more volume for the aftermarket for Rover axles is wicked in my books.

You'll never sell me a rock buggy (snow wheeling here = cold, like 0 deg F cold), so this isn't customer recommendations, but having a chassis that has mounts for a lot of factory parts (column, pedals, shifter etc) would be sweet.

My only recommendation would have been to try and keep the original grill with headlights, so as to make it more recognizable. One of the sweet things about Adam's buggified Classic is that it's identifiable to the non-rover people, and people know that you are wheeling le Pimp.

The target market for this chassis lowend $2500 for bare chassis, to highend $3500 fully tabed. This is a bolt on chassis no special tools need for install. We are still in the marketing stage for this chassis. Looking for input on what you as a consumer would want. Such as grab handles, fuel tank mount, dash tab mounts, and etc... The car in the photos should be complete sometime around end of Jan. We will have patterns for floor kits, fire wall and dashes as part of an upgrade package. It will be able to be bought as a chassis to full turnkey with any changes the customer would like. I know there are ??? out there so Feel free to call us at (719)328-0796.

JTM

interesting. $2500 sounds reasonable. Locally i've been quoting out cage builts and it's anywhere from $1500 to $2500. One can be built for less than that if you have the tools and the skills. With a JD2 bender and a die your up to $1000 alone and then material... and you end up with something like mine :barf:

I'll give you a call in Jan.

If my wife would ever allow for an open buggy, that would be a great start. The price is certainly competitive with what little else is available off-the-shelf.

Neat set-up!

When I went truggy, I almost went buggy...i.e. no skins/top...but given the winter wheeling & the fact that I like to drive on road (hey, its legal in Lebanon :flipoff2:)...I decided, and seem to maintain, teh truggy go...

This option is fabulous, and yeah, a RR chassis is FAR more appealing than a toyota given the now available options (same axle beef, V8, aluminum drivetrain, flexy coils, HD chassis, etc...)...how about a Rover Formula competition run? 10K for a competitive rig (when they are all the same) and some nice runs across the country and we're set...