: Wilbur is finally getting some attention
wngrog 06-25-2002, 04:33 PM The bad news is, my A/C puked 40 gallons of water last night throught the bathroom ceiling.:mad:
THe good news is I had to stay home all day while maintenace guys came and went:D
Since Kate is in for a Major Heart transplant, I decided to start on some Wilbur projects.
Since it is now in the upper 90's every day, I thought the best thing to do would be to add the A/C unit that I bought from JasonH.
Well after I took the entire front end off my Pig and dicked around with it for about 2 hours, i came to the conclusion that if I plan to run Power Steering and A/C on this F engine, I was going to have to do some major modifications and relocating under the hood.
So after I scratched and thought, I scrapped the Pig A/C project entirely.
FOR SALE COMPLETE UNIT $500
OK, back to the wrench fest.....
I tore down the Drivers side knuckle and ground the puppy out so I can add the FJ-60 disc brakes.
I am at the reassembly phase on the drivers side, but I need to go get some parts, so I am on hold until this weekend.
Other projects for this weekend include:
Hella H1's
Torque Reduction Starter
Lock Right in the Rear
As soon as Butch gets off his ASS and gets me my SM420, I am going to go that route for my 4 speed. ;)
That will be next, then the power steering.
That's all for now, nothing exciting to photograph....
:beer: time!
texican 06-25-2002, 04:40 PM OK Harloe, one more crack and the SM420 will be installed in place that will make it difficult to sit......
:flipoff2: :flipoff2:
Butch
rick d 06-25-2002, 04:59 PM Wilber's getting a sm420?
oh Nolen, treat him right and get a 5 speed. The best deal 'today' seems to be Marv Specter w/ resealed inspected complete units for $2,280 (w/ transfer and levers).
I don't remember where, but I was told there are 4 (four) stock FJ55 a/c units for sale on a web site.
may work better- look into Sanden (sp) compressor mount that TLC makes.
SpaceGhost 06-25-2002, 05:51 PM Hey Nolan,
What are you gonna use for an adapter for that tranny. At the rate I'm scarfing down inner axles you might be able send a half dozen my way for the adapter.:eek:
Panzer 06-25-2002, 06:02 PM If your not going to keep it 100% stock then do it right.
2F w/PS/AC and go with the H55.
If it ain't going to be a trail pig then why stick a 420 in it?
CAS
Mustard Dog 06-25-2002, 06:04 PM It's a beautiful rig Nolen, keep it all Toyota and go with the 5 speed;)
cruiserbrett 06-25-2002, 06:18 PM Do you have Pics of the A/C setup?
Why not fab a bracket for the passenger side of the engine that holds the P/S pump and the A/C compressor? I am sure you had thought of it, but A/C is a REALLY nice in the FJ55's. It gets hot as hell in my truck on a warmer day and I am NOT talking about the scorching Texas heat either...I had the A/C working for a bit and loved it. I could drive around in the summer with the rear glass up...someting Pig owners can attest too.
wngrog 06-25-2002, 06:25 PM When the Tranny is in the Cruiser, how will you tell hit has an SM420?
I have always been very happy with how SM420's work.
Basically I will have a 3 speed with a syncro 1st gear and a low gear that will keep me from having to thrash my Pig when I use it for what it was made for....wheeling.
Am I going to take it on 4+ trails? Hell no, but I am going to use it. Right now with the 28:1 I have to go so fast on dirt trails that I am going to damage the Pig, just because I have no control.
SM420 = control :p
Now as for the H55, I am spending $$ like there is no tomorrow on Kate. I DO NOT have another 3-4K to do an H55.
Finally, I really want to keep my vacume activated transfer case.
I like the stock interior of my Pig.
If I could talk Buford out of his H55 with the vacume transfer then maybe I would consider an H55.
Right now, I just want a 4 speed transmission with all the usable street gears being syncronized!
Mustard Dog 06-25-2002, 06:37 PM I see where you're coming from;)
wngrog 06-25-2002, 06:45 PM I forgot to mention just how much FUN it was to mess with Birfields again:barf:
Another point on the above constructive critisism. I refuse to use OEM Toyota parts when there is a better alternative out there!
Hell there is no way I could get any use out of that 5th gear anyway with an F engine, 33's and 4.11 gears....
My 33's are all the OD I can stand with this F engine:flipoff2:
1970cruiser 06-25-2002, 08:21 PM I can not believe that you are going to chop up that completely stock cruiser! Wait till I tell the guys at the Lone Star Cruiser meeting on Thursday. :( I can not watch:crybaby2:
JasonH 06-25-2002, 08:43 PM Bah... Don't listen to 'em Nolen. It's your Cruiser - cut the roof off if you want to.
If someone wants to save it for posterity sake, then let them buy it from you at your price. :D
Now, with that said, if it were mine, I'd stick an H42 in there. You can adapt that to your case. Or even better (cheaper), I bet you could put the vacuum mechanism on the front of a 4-spd case. Then you don't have to adapt anything and you could sell the 3-spd case for more than you'd pay for an H42 and case. Free 4spd.
But what the hell do I know? :flipoff2:
MD11Fr8Dog 06-25-2002, 09:15 PM Originally posted by wngrog
I forgot to mention just how much FUN it was to mess with Birfields again:barf:
Speaking of which, I was trying to remove the birfs from my inner axles this evening since my Longfields showed up yesterday. What's the secret to tapping that sucker off? I got out my drift and placed it on the inner race and wailed away with my hammer (with the inner axle held in a vice). No budge!! :mad: My drift is gonna be as flat as a penny if I keep it up!! I poped off the inner snap ring and the birf slides freely inwards but won't go outwards, no matter how hard I smack that sucker!!
Can anyone pass on the secret to me??
texican 06-25-2002, 10:56 PM Get a section of schedule 40 pipe about 8" longer than the long side inner axle, it needs to be slightly larger than the axle, cause it's gonna slide up inside the pipe, set the pipe on the cement.....stick the axle in the pipe, hold the birfield from 2 feet or so, and drop it on the pipe, repeat, the axle will drop out. Some people lay something inside the pipe to protect the axle, I've never damaged one on cement.
Butch
MD11Fr8Dog 06-25-2002, 11:09 PM Originally posted by texican
Get a section of schedule 40 pipe about 8" longer than the long side inner axle, it needs to be slightly larger than the axle, cause it's gonna slide up inside the pipe, set the pipe on the cement.....stick the axle in the pipe, hold the birfield from 2 feet or so, and drop it on the pipe, repeat, the axle will drop out. Some people lay something inside the pipe to protect the axle, I've never damaged one on cement.
Butch
Sweet, thanks Butch, off to True Value in the morning!!
Sean
Dan Gleason 06-26-2002, 12:48 AM Nolen, I have one of the long Advance Adapters kits for SM420 to 3 speed case. I bought it used from a guy and thought I'd use it in my 40 but decided it was too long. It includes the housing, coupler, stub shaft and all the bolts. It would work great on a piggie. If you plan on lifting it any you'd be able to have a longer front shaft. $120 plus shipping if you're interested.
Dan
wngrog 06-26-2002, 03:49 AM Originally posted by 1970cruiser
I can not believe that you are going to chop up that completely stock cruiser! Wait till I tell the guys at the Lone Star Cruiser meeting on Thursday. :( I can not watch:crybaby2:
How is putting an SM420 "Chopping up" a Cruiser?
You don't have to drive this "completely stock Cruiser"
Drum brakes, no P/S, and a shitty stock 3 speed are GREAT!
Love that OEM stuff!
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
No matter how many times I drive that shitty 3 speed, (sorry Toyota just did not have it going on back then) it is still a shitty 3 speed!
wngrog 06-26-2002, 03:54 AM Originally posted by JasonH
Now, with that said, if it were mine, I'd stick an H42 in there. You can adapt that to your case. Or even better (cheaper), I bet you could put the vacuum mechanism on the front of a 4-spd case. Then you don't have to adapt anything and you could sell the 3-spd case for more than you'd pay for an H42 and case. Free 4spd. But what the hell do I know? :flipoff2:
Well two things wrong with that scenario:
1) H42's, unless you rebuild them are generally ragged out beyond recognition? Have you ever seen an Aussie Junkyard? Jesus, they make ours look like the best places you have ever seen! Talk to anyone who lives in Oz folks, don't think we get the "pick of the litter" when it comes to used drivetrain parts when they are shipped to us!
That said, at $650 for MAF, I would be looking at another $400 or so to rebuild the sucker right...then I am in H55 range.
2) I damn sure don't want to go with a 4 speed case....my crawl is bad enough now and I really want to use Wilbur...but using him at 35:1 on the trail is a good way to bang him up real bad.
Also don't forget, this transfer case only has 15, 400 original miles on it ;)
JasonH 06-26-2002, 08:55 AM Originally posted by wngrog
Well two things wrong with that scenario:
1) H42's, unless you rebuild them are generally ragged out beyond recognition? Have you ever seen an Aussie Junkyard? Jesus, they make ours look like the best places you have ever seen! Talk to anyone who lives in Oz folks, don't think we get the "pick of the litter" when it comes to used drivetrain parts when they are shipped to us!
That said, at $650 for MAF, I would be looking at another $400 or so to rebuild the sucker right...then I am in H55 range.
2) I damn sure don't want to go with a 4 speed case....my crawl is bad enough now and I really want to use Wilbur...but using him at 35:1 on the trail is a good way to bang him up real bad.
Also don't forget, this transfer case only has 15, 400 original miles on it ;)
I said H42, not H41. I've got an H42 and case that is definitely not ragged out sitting in my garage. You can have it if I thought you'd use it. But, if you're looking for crawl then never mind. I just figured you wanted better driveability as you said you didn't like the Toyota 3-spd. The SM420 is essentially a 3-spd on the road.
If you're wheeling it than go for the gears! :D
wngrog 06-26-2002, 09:22 AM Originally posted by JasonH
I said H42, not H41. I've got an H42 and case that is definitely not ragged out sitting in my garage. You can have it if I thought you'd use it. But, if you're looking for crawl then never mind. I just figured you wanted better driveability as you said you didn't like the Toyota 3-spd. The SM420 is essentially a 3-spd on the road.
If you're wheeling it than go for the gears! :D
Doh, yeah that rant was directed at H41 availability.
Yes a SM420 is essentially a 3 speed, but 2nd is syncronized!
MD11Fr8Dog 06-26-2002, 12:17 PM Originally posted by texican
Get a section of schedule 40 pipe about 8" longer than the long side inner axle, it needs to be slightly larger than the axle, cause it's gonna slide up inside the pipe, set the pipe on the cement.....stick the axle in the pipe, hold the birfield from 2 feet or so, and drop it on the pipe, repeat, the axle will drop out. Some people lay something inside the pipe to protect the axle, I've never damaged one on cement.
Butch
Butch, thanks again for the advice. Luck was sort of in my favor this morning as we had the plumbing/heating guys here for a const. project here at the house. He told me he'd bring a 3 1/2 ft sect of sched. 40 with 1.5" i.d. Well, while he was gone, I decided to whack away again. After an hour, plus last night's hour, the birf popped off the short side axle.:D I then went after the long side, 6 taps later that birf was in my hand!!!:eek: Go figure!!
Anyway, do I need to replace the snap rings on the ends of the axles or can they be run without them? I'll be using mini Longfields. One looks reusable, the other is toast. But what do I know, I'm just a stoopid Irishman!! ;)
Thanks,
71-Cruiser 06-26-2002, 12:57 PM I know we are getting off topic but here i go any way. With Longfields Bobby recomends installing them without the inner clip but you have to put a Mar-tac on the diff end of the axle shaft.
http://www.off-road.com/tlc/cheaptricks/clipweld/
wngrog 06-26-2002, 01:02 PM Originally posted by 71-Cruiser
I know we are getting off topic but here i go any way. With Longfields Bobby recomends installing them without the inner clip but you have to put a Mar-tac on the diff end of the axle shaft.
http://www.off-road.com/tlc/cheaptricks/clipweld/
IMHO you only need a Mar Tack if you run without a locker in the front.......
I never ran a tack or the inner birf c clips, just the outer snap ring that Bobby suggests...
That said, I tacked my FJ-55 inner axles yesterday due to the fact that I am open in the front.
Pin Head 06-26-2002, 01:05 PM Sean,
If you do a "Marlin tack" on the splines that insert into the carrier side gears, you won't need the outer snap ring. It makes changing Birfs easier, but not that you have Longfields you will be changing the inner axle now and it makes it easier too. Basically the tack is a spot of weld bead on the splines just outside of where they engage the side gear. You can see how far it slides in because it is shiny.
Charlie
MD11Fr8Dog 06-26-2002, 01:11 PM Originally posted by wngrog
IMHO you only need a Mar Tack if you run without a locker in the front.......
I never ran a tack or the inner birf c clips, just the outer snap ring that Bobby suggests...
That said, I tacked my FJ-55 inner axles yesterday due to the fact that I am open in the front.
So I'm on the same page, see the pic below. Which will I NEED to use and which do I not NEED. I'll be running an ARB airlocker up front.
SpaceGhost 06-26-2002, 01:11 PM I haven't heard from anyone who's broke more than my 5 inner axles, so I reign for the time being!
Sean, don't use the inner c clip, even if you have to have the tack done. Check Bobby's page for the correct useage of the clips. Carry a spare birf if you wheel hard, since getting those broken stubs out of the inner race can be work!
I elected to buy spare Longfields, not because of the fear they will break, but because getting the stubs out required welding a length of rod to 2 of them to extract remains.
SpaceGhost 06-26-2002, 01:14 PM Originally posted by MD11Fr8Dog
So I'm the same page, see the pic below. Which will I NEED to use and which do I not NEED. I'll be running an ARB airlocker up front.
Eliminate the one on the left in the pic. When the inner breaks, it will do so in/at the groove for the clip on the right. Don't forget to fish it out of the knuckle when replacing the inner.
MD11Fr8Dog 06-26-2002, 01:17 PM Originally posted by SpaceGhost
Eliminate the one on the left in the pic. When the inner breaks, it will do so in/at the groove for the clip on the right. Don't forget to fish it out of the knuckle when replacing the inner.
Okay, am I calling the C-clip the snap ring and vice versa??
SpaceGhost 06-26-2002, 01:55 PM Originally posted by MD11Fr8Dog
Okay, am I calling the C-clip the snap ring and vice versa??
Yeah, that's it, we are cornfused here. The inner one I think is a circlip. But you got the idea.
woody 06-26-2002, 02:26 PM yeppers...the inner one, the one you can't see until it's apart and that you usually destroy in the process of separation, is known as the circlip. These should not be installed, ever, IMO. Either Martack the inner shaft or at least ensure that your front locker or whatever doesn't allow the inner shaft to slide in beyond the sealing suface.
And, once the birfield is installed and the spindle on, but PRIOR to installing the complete lockout, you need to either install another c-clip/snap ring or a bolt/fender washer to prevent the birfield/superbirf from floating inwards and binding internally.
If you are running mini-birfs/79+ Cruiser birfs with Cruiser lockouts, it's a bolt/fender washer.
If you are running 76-78 cruiser birfs with Cruiser lockouts, it's a snap ring.
If you are running mini/79+ Cruiser birfs with mini lockouts, then it's the snap ring.
And, if you are running mini lockouts with a 76-78 cruiser birf, it just plain won't work, since the birf wants to stick thru the lockout....then yer screwed. (didn't Morgan get jammed on this once?!?)
NOTE: 76-78 Cruiser birfs have a slightly longer outer-shaft and the slightly smaller bell than 79+ cruisers or minis or 60/2 series.
Martack link is on my site, FYI.
Pin Head 06-26-2002, 02:54 PM Originally posted by woody
yeppers...the inner one, the one you can't see until it's apart and that you usually destroy in the process of separation, is known as the circlip.
Whachyoumean INNER? The clip is on the axle and it is the one on the end of the axle, so it is the OUTER one on the axle. :D
Only when you look at it from the Birfield-centric point of view is it inner.
BJ On Roids 06-26-2002, 03:22 PM Nolen
dont listen to them :p
id go with what is cheap and available, and if you wheel it go for the gearing, as if you gunna drive that PIG on the street anyways, direct crossover power steering is the best thing you can do to a 40 or 55...........
THE BEST mod ever, actually makes teh units drivable, WHY would anyone even consider factory power steering :barf: or factory steering for that matter, its just WRONG with its massive road wandering, and 900 tie rod ends, 4000 working parts (some slight exaggerations)
toyota got it going on!!! but wayyy back then, they were just learning
mad11:
the secret to removing the inner axle?
there isnt one.... when you take the knuckle apart the birfield is normally falling to pieces in your hand and if the inner is re-usable then it just falls right off after you lift it out.....no? :confused: :D
just engage 4WD and destroy those birfs
texican 06-26-2002, 04:22 PM My experience is that some BF's come apart way easy, and some take several bangs......as far as the inner c clip ,they have already answered your question. run the tack and leave 'em off....had a hell of a day, sitting here drinkin' a :beer: :beer: :beer: with Dusty.........
Butch
MD11Fr8Dog 06-26-2002, 06:22 PM Originally posted by woody
If you are running mini/79+ Cruiser birfs with mini lockouts, then it's the snap ring.
Thanks to Spaceghost and a smokin' deal on some Aisin mini hubs!!:D
Okay, thanks to everyone's help, I now know what I've been reading about for the past year when folks have been talking about circlips, Martacks, yada yada yada. But until you actually get in there and see it/do it yourself.....:confused:
So I've had my crash course, made room for the mini birfs with my grinder, got the double steering arm set up, got my preload set, and tomorrow I'll get the inners Martacked. Should have the axle complete, except for ARB, tomorrow night!! :smokin:
Thanks to everyone for the help, and Nolen, thanks for letting me piggy back Wilber's thread. I owe you a couple :beer: Shiners, not in a can, of course!!:D Heck, I think I owe everyone :beer: :D
MD11Fr8Dog 06-26-2002, 06:23 PM Originally posted by Pin Head
Only when you look at it from the Birfield-centric point of view is it inner.
Damn pin head Phd's!!!!;)
got picts of wilbur?
-LCL
trd55 06-26-2002, 11:08 PM Hey nolen, awhile ago I posted "Who has the best prices for lockers" I found the truckperforance has the lockrights for $198.93 for the cruisers. Thsi is about $40 dollars cheaper than anywhere else. Just thought you might want to know. Good Luck..
wngrog 06-27-2002, 04:04 AM Originally posted by LCL
got picts of wilbur?
-LCL
The only difference is Wilbur now has stock shackles and 33 x 10.50 Super Swamper Radials...
fj40guy 06-27-2002, 04:57 AM Originally posted by 1970cruiser
I can not believe that you are going to chop up that completely stock cruiser!
Bad Karma to mess with that clean of a pig... next thing you know the Cruiser Gods will make it rain in your bedroom!
:D
Na, I am sure Wilbur is in good hands. As a plus, I can FOLLOW Wilbur in Goose without wondering if a 3 trail will really be a 4+. Goose is way too clean, which I plan on keeping him that way. Oh, I'll be brewing up something strange once the shop is built... but that project is a year away. What good is a tube bender and TIG welder if you cann't plan on future projects!
We closed on the new house, now to sell two other houses, move a ton of junk, and get some contractors moving on new construction. WHEW! :smokin:
Tom :usa:
stran 06-27-2002, 08:59 AM That has to be the nicest pig I've ever seen! Man, if I could find one like that, I'd HAVE to buy it!!!
wngrog 06-27-2002, 09:12 AM Originally posted by stran
That has to be the nicest pig I've ever seen! Man, if I could find one like that, I'd HAVE to buy it!!!
How about this one? It is for sale...
wngrog 06-27-2002, 09:13 AM So is this one....
MD11Fr8Dog 06-27-2002, 09:20 AM Nolen, Who's selling those 55s? They look sweet. How many fun tickets are they asking??
stran 06-27-2002, 09:26 AM My wife of all people is really pressuring me to replace her xterra with a cruiser wagon of some sort. I'd really be interested in more information on those cruisers, including price, locale, and mechanical condition.
I'm available offline, too....
aaron.stranahan@medibuy.com (my other addy is not working today... don't know why).
THANKS!
Deep South Cruisers 06-27-2002, 09:41 AM here's a nice one too :D
1972 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ55. $9,200.00.
It has new rancho shocks, cd player, complete new brake system, new lines, master cylinder, brake pads. New interior, seats, carpet, headliner, MORE Birmingham, AL 205-533-0544 keden@peds.uab.edu 3/27/2002
Box Rocket 06-27-2002, 10:01 AM This 55 is for sale too. It's getting a good 4-speed tranny and t-case right now out of a '79 FJ40.
http://user.netomia.com/Box%20Rocket/ryan55side.jpg
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