http://www.ohvplates.org/


If its not a repost maybe a cross post is in order?

Jefe

This was talked about in the last VLLS training, wasn't it?

Del, is this worth forwarding out? I can't remember off-hand what we said in that discussion....

:DI signed it

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I think it's a great Idea. The Sierra Nevada Conservancy is doing something like this to fund there anti access coffers to shut us off roaders out of our public lands.

As long as the proceeds are used to keep our public lands open I would buy one plate for each of my 4 street legal vehicles

EDIT: Karen Scumbag is trying to do this very thing I saw it in the Mecury news paper asking for people to sign up:mad3: but last time I herd they were short about 5,000 signatures:D
You know if she gets this thru the funds will be used to buy up property across or near our trails to get them shut down.

Hang back on action for now on this -- I'd rather coordinate efforts through the OHV Division -- I know they are working on this, as well.

The trick is to get everyone working together on the same thing, instead of in parallel on different versions of the same thing.

Randii

This was talked about in the last VLLS training, wasn't it?


Phil Jenkins of OHMVR did talk about this and Joe also had a sample of one plate on his computer that I belive Amy had done.

I have an email into Phil on this right now

I ran across this a few days ago and wrote an email to Daphne Greene at OHMVR (they would have to be the sponsoring agency and would get all the funding) asking what the commission's position on this is at this point. Haven't gotten a reply, but I suspect she is pretty busy about now with the upcoming commission meetings.

oh well! i'm in anyway it's done

oh well! i'm in anyway it's done

I dont get it :confused: Whats your issue with this?

Regarding your question about the OHV plate, I believe the Joel Anderson website is referring to the same OHV plate we were discussing at the meeting. There is a lot of interest in the OHV plate concept, and a number of people are approaching it from various directions. We at the Division will continue to try and focus everyone’s efforts in the same direction so we are all working towards a common goal.

I dont get it :confused: Whats your issue with this?

This issue, as I remember it, was WHERE those funds were going to go from the sale of the plates...

The green stickers funds in part were used to CLOSE some of our routes. We do not want to see that happen with these funds...

This issue, as I remember it, was WHERE those funds were going to go from the sale of the plates...

The green stickers funds in part were used to CLOSE some of our routes. We do not want to see that happen with these funds...


Got it. The CHP gets alot of that Green Sticker $$$ as well.

Ever see a CHP out on a OHV trail. :shaking:

I think we're all agreed that this would be a good idea, the question is HOW this should proceed. Our electeds are pretty much tired of hearing about OHV, so we need to give 'em something of a break now that SB742 is passed, and do a bunch of the work behind the scenes.

My understanding is that it doesn't just take a petition with 7500 names on it, but rather that it takes 7500 paid plates to move this along... and that it may need to be pushed by an agency. I and a few other folks will be talking to Daphne at the Commission meeting, identifying who to work with and what the next steps are.

This is a cool idea, and I've rarely seen so many different sides support the general idea so well before, with so little consensus on how to make it happen. Let's get some more info!

Randii

AND the DMV gets the total amount of money from the first 5,000 plates sold the first year, after that all money goes to the OHV Commission year in and year out. The 5,000 plate number is like a setup or tooling up fee for the DMV.

The best thing about this would be to put the plates on all your vehicles, even your Toyota Hybrid!

Randii and some others are right here, we need to respect this idea, but take our time on how we implement this and proceed from here. There are so many hidden doors to this kind of idea. And for sure the OHV State Parks folks need to be with us on this one.

BlueRibbon and other big orgs have had to fight down or post pone OHV bills in other states (with similar good intentions of raisign money for OHV) because the money was not going where it would do any good.

I plan to meet with and discuss this with State Parks and other OHV leaders in the next couple days. We'll have more soon. You're ok if you jumped in on this one, but let's now see what the whole team wants to do in our OHV leadership.

Del

One the surface, it si a good idea.

There are details that can undermine a lot of good intentions.

That said, I am supportive of keeping the pressure on for change.

Sign the petition and be vocal about wanting something to happen.

And, ensure your voice is heard to have funding applied to on-the-ground actions where recreation opportunities are supported.

The focus should be for each person to contact their elected official and start the dialog moving about this effort.

And, each person needs to underscore that the focus is to provide funding to support improved recreation opportunities.

Key point is to ensure that funds collected are applied to supporting recreation opportunity AND existing in not to be reduced due to this directed funding effort.

The DANGER point is that once a funding stream is set, the state funding will be reduced as state obligations are being met through an alternative funding source.

So, the license fee is great to display the number of people that are supportive of OHV recreation.

However, is there a non-funded project that the license funds can be tied too? Lacking a directed funding project, the effort cold become a tax-increase with no expected result.

It is okay to think different and push for a change. However, please think about the change you want. There are unintended consequences lurking....

Does someone have an idea of how much money per plate would go for the intended use?

This idea has not been discussed at any of the commission meetings and is not on the agenda for this weeks meetings. Thanks to SB742, the commission will have little to no authority to promote this task as they will be not much more than an advisery committee as of Jan. 1, 2008. They could support the idea but have no power to proceed with it. The OHMVR Division would be the folks to work with at first and then with your legislatures.

Keep informed and active

Ride on
Brewster
CERA...assistant LAO

The use of the money and keeping it directed to the intended target is the core issue.

In reality, when a program is funded, there is a known flow of money to support it.

When another stream of funding comes along, the original on is generally reduced.

In other words, the state provides a certain amount from gas tax and other state revenue to support the OHMVR program.

If another source of funding comes along that is applied to the program, there will be pressure for the legislature to reduce the state revenue supplied by an equal amount. The result, there is no "net gain" of funding for the program.

For more information about the special interest license plates, look here:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=veh&group=05001-06000&file=5060-5075

Keep informed and active

Ride on
Brewster
CERA...assistant LAO

For more information about the special interest license plates, look here:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=veh&group=05001-06000&file=5060-5075

Keep informed and active

Ride on
Brewster
CERA...assistant LAO

Actually, that info is a little outdated. Because of a successful lawsuit by the pro-life people, ONLY an agency or commission of the State of California may initiate a new plate or receive money from plate sales...no more 501 c(3)'s. The old ones were allowed to stay, but no new ones.:(

I challenge all of you who have information to WORK WITH EACH OTHER on this. Sometimes I despair at how well-informed we all are individually, but in how many differing directions in which we we wind up running separately.

Talking here on Pirate4x4 is well and good, but I hope our OHV leaders will continue to work closely with the OHV program. Whether this OHV plate concept is implemented by legislation or by programmatic policy, it needs some structure to address the funding concerns and the inevitable turnover in staff and standing...

This is a cool concept that has the potential to raise money AND increase awareness inside and outside the hobby... let's work together to make sure it doesn't get sidetracked.

Randii

Got it. The CHP gets alot of that Green Sticker $$$ as well.

Ever see a CHP out on a OHV trail. :shaking:

Maybe not in their cruisers, but I know that H-20 and H-24 have provided air support to the Rubicon and other nearby areas on many occasions, assisting with searches, rescues and the like. CHP has been real good about that, and I don't believe they get any direct reimbursement for those services.

Maybe not in their cruisers, but I know that H-20 and H-24 have provided air support to the Rubicon and other nearby areas on many occasions, assisting with searches, rescues and the like. CHP has been real good about that, and I don't believe they get any direct reimbursement for those services.

I still think they get way too much of our green sticker fees for what they do.

i see to many pros and cons...

I still think they get way too much of our green sticker fees for what they do.

While I tend to agree with that statement, still I like having them available. And running those birds get very expensive, very fast.