Ok so maybe this is quite newbish but oh well. I considered posting on JU, but since only about 3 people on that BB have probably ever rolled their jeep, I figured the response wouldn't have been very enlightening. So simple question of the day is:

What do you check in the motor dept. after a rollover?

I assume the usual oil and coolent levels, but not being a big motor guru, I'm not sure about the internals, and what to look at before starting it back up.

Also, is it imperative that the jeep be right-side up ASAP, or can a few extra minutes be taken to make sure everything is cool?

Thanks.

I would think you'd want to get it back over fairly quickly. You're gonna end up spilling a little P/S fluid, and trans fluid if you have an auto. The main thing you will need to do before startup is pull the plugs and turn the motor over a few times so you can blow out all the oil that drained into the cylinders ;)

I'm sure there are probably a few other things I'm forgetting:D

Originally posted by Mustard Dog
I would think you'd want to get it back over fairly quickly. You're gonna end up spilling a little P/S fluid, and trans fluid if you have an auto. The main thing you will need to do before startup is pull the plugs and turn the motor over a few times so you can blow out all the oil that drained into the cylinders ;)

I'm sure there are probably a few other things I'm forgetting:D

Thanks man, I've heard of needing to pull the plugs and turn it over, but how do you know when it's safe to put them back in and start it up....just guess?

I've got a manual, but I carry extra fluids, so that I'm not too worried about...it's the motor stuff that I would be concerned with.

Originally posted by crawlinTJ


Thanks man, I've heard of needing to pull the plugs and turn it over, but how do you know when it's safe to put them back in and start it up....just guess?



When it stops spitting oil. If you have a bunch of oil in the cylinders you'll at the least bend a rod at the top of the stroke as the oil won't compress:eek:

:D

You call AAA. Oh wait that's the JU response. I think the Pirate respose is after you roll you crank the wheels towards the ground side and floor it:D if the motor blows up you replace it.:flipoff2:

Serriously though if it is only on it's side for 10 min or so I don't think too much oil should get past the rings. Maybe if it is all the way upside down? One thing I have seen someone forget to check is brake fluid. This resulted in another roll about 10 feet ahead, but it could have been worse. Don't forget to take pictures while it's on it's side. And don't freak out that is when people get injured.

Mine has been upside down a few times.
I really think the crank the wheels and floor it idea is the best,..but when that doesnt work, I have always just rolled it back over, and went wheeling. I usually have to add a bit of ps fluid, but the oil burns of quickly. With my 5.0 it rarely even smokes on start up, my 4 banger used to smoke a little for the 1st few minutes.
Oh yeah you should go back and try the obstacle again, since youve already fawked up the sheetmetal.:flipoff2:

Don't stop on the side, keep it rolling until it ends up back on it's wheeles :D:D:D:D:D.

Well lets show some pics. This was down at victor vally two or three years ago. We were in the sand bowl draging up it when I made a wrong turn and launched aroung 30' and then did a end over. No one was hurt but the EB ($19,500) we just fliped it over after I made some one get this pic and started it up the next morning and drove it on the trailer.

This happened less than 24 hours before the pics were tacken for the magazine. Hey H8monday we have wheeled since this I now have the babby blue EB (Iron mtn rd) check out long travel on this post for a pic of the new rig.

This was days before the fun!

anyone know if sealed batteries are affected by a rollover?

they have some breather on them that leaks fluid out dont they?

BJ (love that name)
Look at the head lights on my EB, red top optamas baby!!

rokcrln - Hey! You owe me some ARB parts!!! :flipoff2:

Paul

BJ, I think the electricity will spill out.:D


Rokcrln,
I think a remote battery cut off, would have been in order after a tumble like that.

Seriously, once I realize that im not gonna be able to right the rig under its own power, and I decide its gonna be flopped long enough that I need to climb out of the cockpit, I shut down all the systems, ie: fuel pump, ignition, battery shut off. My rig doesnt spill fuel when its on its lid, but I have seen many that do,...it only takes one spark.
On the other hand if you see me trying to start the rig, and it wont start afterwards, you could kindly remind me to turn all the switches back on.:rasta:

The only thing that ever happens to my Sammy is the oil spills out through the intake, and a little PS fluid. I've never really had to do anything but add some oil....:)

If you get them over quick enough I wouldn't worry about anything. Just let it set a few minutes and fire it up. My 302 didn't leak anything except a little gas out the carb. Smoked for a few minutes and all was well.....

Of course a year later I still have gear oil coming out of my dash from the NP435 :rolleyes:

http://home.earthlink.net/~mattsara/bb/matt1-6x4.jpg

I thought your supposed to check your shorts first. Your ever flip a backhoe(misspelled?) try to right one of those without another one to help you. Gotta love big tractor tires they get you :bounce2: all over the place.

Nasvic,

Yes I do and they are in abag in my EB but I could not find your #, It turned out to be a long trip after we met! PM me, I totaly owe you dude!!

So NOBODY thinking a exo cage now, I have the steel in the side yard for after the 4th to get started on one for my EB.

Originally posted by rokcrln
So NOBODY thinking a exo cage now, I have the steel in the side yard for after the 4th to get started on one for my EB.

no question that I need a cage. Just need some cash. I think I'd like to exo around the windshield and roof, but that's it. The body is thrashed already and no point adding the extra weight.

A bud of mine has a bII and we will be doing a exo and a d44/ 9" swap in the next year or so. I say go for it and if it keeps you fase and wheelin longer, great.

I actually don't like Exo's, but I like replacing the roof even less! Someone here did a partial Exo on their Heep, similar to the Landrover Defender. I like how that turned out.

Got a couple friends that are going full exo on their Bronco II's though.

:eek: :D :eek:
http://home.earthlink.net/~mattsara/bb/noroof.jpg

Looks like a good place to start to me:eek:

Originally posted by Mustard Dog
I would think you'd want to get it back over fairly quickly. You're gonna end up spilling a little P/S fluid, and trans fluid if you have an auto. The main thing you will need to do before startup is pull the plugs and turn the motor over a few times so you can blow out all the oil that drained into the cylinders ;)

I'm sure there are probably a few other things I'm forgetting:D

yeah DEFINITLY PULL THE PLUGS BEFORE STARTING IT OTHERWISE YOUR OIL PAN WILL END UP LIKE THIS

http://dkg.elmo-the-dog.com/pictures/medium/1021357556.66.120.161.113.jpg :eek:

Originally posted by rokcrln
BJ (love that name)
Look at the head lights on my EB, red top optamas baby!!

ive got dual sealed batteries and they have had no dramas, BUT, the other day i went to start it and both batteries were flat.....

and i thought strange, maybe they died in the rollover, and they are only about 3 months old too :( ???

the alt is fine...chargin well...

i thought maybe they ran out of fluid or something, for now im just parking on the hill ;) :D

ill figure it out someday

Originally posted by H8monday
BJ, I think the electricity will spill out.:D


Rokcrln,
I think a remote battery cut off, would have been in order after a tumble like that.

Seriously, once I realize that im not gonna be able to right the rig under its own power, and I decide its gonna be flopped long enough that I need to climb out of the cockpit, I shut down all the systems, ie: fuel pump, ignition, battery shut off. My rig doesnt spill fuel when its on its lid, but I have seen many that do,...it only takes one spark.
On the other hand if you see me trying to start the rig, and it wont start afterwards, you could kindly remind me to turn all the switches back on.:rasta:

i have battery isolation, fuel shutoff, and a valve in the tank

i am not to worried about all the electricity leaking out as this nice guy down the road sold me a whole heap of electrocoty really cheaply :rasta

but in most batteries they have acid, :flipoff2: if you lose the acid the battery is fawked :nuke: this is what i was worried about

and even tohugh i bought sealed batteries, they are not FULLY sealed, i took one out, tipped it over and sure enough there is fluid spilling out........ how do i check and fill?

its baffled me, i bought sealed batts, so that if i was getting it on steep nclines the fluid wouldnt leak out (had problems with that in my last vehicle) and i naturally thought the 'sealed' would mean they dont leak in a rollover :confused:

Originally posted by Nobody
Someone here did a partial Exo on their Heep, similar to the Landrover Defender. I like how that turned out.


:eek: :D :eek:
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You mean mine?:D :eek:

D-90 RIPP-OFF
:D

took longer than it should have though ;)

Originally posted by CHOKEu


You mean mine?:D :eek:

yeah, dats it.....

I think I would want a crossbar accross the bottom of the windshield, and I'd probably take the side tube through the fenders to the frame. And of course down to the frame in the back.

Nice work!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=470100

http://bigbear32002.netfirms.com/pismo2002/DSCF0279.JPG

I think the need for pulling the plugs and what not is crap if you have a good motor. If 50-60 psi of oil pressure doesn't push oil past the rings how the hell is gravity going to get it past there. Maybe Im being dumb but roll it back over, check fluids and fire it up.

and why didn't that guy yack farther away from the vehicle. come on :D

arndog

So what's the word on the"Sealed Maintenance Free" batteries??

I have a yellow top but my buddy has those "sealed deals" We haven't flopped it yet but have always wondered. Hoping they'll pass tech inspection for the comps:(

Originally posted by arndog
I think the need for pulling the plugs and what not is crap if you have a good motor

It does not leak by the rings, it comes in from the crank case vent into the intake. :rolleyes:

Look at your motor and determine where the vent runs. If it fills your intake with oil, when you roll it back over it will run into the motor and hydraulic it! :( I put a loop in my vent hose running from the valve cover to the intake. Hopefully this will make sure whichever side it stops on it always has to run uphill. The last time I rolled, I filled my air cleaner will motor oil. It belched smoke for a LONG time after that one. :)

Originally posted by bigdude
So what's the word on the"Sealed Maintenance Free" batteries??

I have a yellow top but my buddy has those "sealed deals" We haven't flopped it yet but have always wondered. Hoping they'll pass tech inspection for the comps:(

as long as it is secured properly, if a "normal" battery is legal, then for sure a "maintenence free" battery would be fine.

the "sealed" batteries are just sealed to keep you out (:flipoff2: )

they are not "gel" batteries (like optimas) which are not only sealed, but the acid/matrix is not really a leaky liquid, but semi viscous and contained within the wraps of matting.
this is why they can be mounted in any position including upside down, so (short circuits/damage aside), roll overs? no worries, mate.:smokin:

Originally posted by UZI 9mm


as long as it is secured properly, if a "normal" battery is legal, then for sure a "maintenence free" battery would be fine.

the "sealed" batteries are just sealed to keep you out (:flipoff2: )


That's where it get's a little tricky. Here is the rule

Non-spill type batteries

I would consider a "sealed" battery to be a non-spill type. But they may be referring to gel batteries. However, if they required gel then they should say so, right?????

in that context, i would take that rule as meaning "Optima":D
that way you can't misinterpret.:)

Originally posted by UZI 9mm
in that context, i would take that rule as meaning "Optima":D
that way you can't misinterpret.:)

It's rough though when he has a dual battery set-up and a couple Optimas don't come cheap.:(

Originally posted by welndmn
http://bigbear32002.netfirms.com/pismo2002/DSCF0279.JPG

Okay man! WF is up with this pic! I damn near spewed coffee all over my monitor!

Fawkin' silly bastard!

--D

Get the picture and get it back upright and no problems unless completely on its lid. If it goes onto and stays on its top I would take the time to pump the cylinders clean and make sure and check you headlight fluid. :flipoff2:

why is he throwing up? does that happen to a lot of people or something?

He was drinking from about noon down at pismo, That roll over happened around 4 am
No he was not even driving his rig, a friend was, then flop, i guess the 2-3 times over, down the dune was not a fun ride

Originally posted by bigdude


It's rough though when he has a dual battery set-up and a couple Optimas don't come cheap.:(

i can totally sympathize with that- a buddy of nine just bought a yellow top yesterday, and with taxes/eco fee (:mad: ) etc. it cost $267.00 CDN:eek: :(

Originally posted by okcrawler


It does not leak by the rings, it comes in from the crank case vent into the intake. :rolleyes:

Look at your motor and determine where the vent runs. If it fills your intake with oil, when you roll it back over it will run into the motor and hydraulic it! :( I put a loop in my vent hose running from the valve cover to the intake. Hopefully this will make sure whichever side it stops on it always has to run uphill. The last time I rolled, I filled my air cleaner will motor oil. It belched smoke for a LONG time after that one. :)


bingo..... remove any pcv hoses that route to the tbi or manifold and make a remote breater for them. the oil that hydraulics your motor is come from the valve covers to the manifold. get rid of the problem.


fyi: i have rolled dozens of times and all i do is get out and put it back on its wheels and keep going. never had a problem worse than a few drops of oil spilled from a my worn out t-cace gasket.

When I rolled my Scout I was amazed at how much and how quickly the oil drained out of the engine and on to the ground.

Pull the plugs and crank it over, don't try to do the least possible or you will regret it.

r@m

Originally posted by camo



bingo..... remove any pcv hoses that route to the tbi or manifold and make a remote breater for them. the oil that hydraulics your motor is come from the valve covers to the manifold. get rid of the problem.


fyi: i have rolled dozens of times and all i do is get out and put it back on its wheels and keep going. never had a problem worse than a few drops of oil spilled from a my worn out t-cace gasket.

More info please camo
Are your talking about those jars inline with the PCV system, i can't think of the eggact name right now
what do you do with the breather then too?

basically the factory routes the valve cover breathers ( pcv ) to the manifold. when you roll the oil goes to your valve covers and then down the vent into your manifold. then the manifold has a bunch of oil in it and when you put it back on it wheels it runs into the cylinder that has a intake valve open.


just route your breaters to a seperate filter. that will not drain into the manifold. K@N makes valve cover braethers that will replace the stock vents.

disclaimer: this mod is not legal on any polution controlled vechile.

Originally posted by CHOKEu
D-90 RIPP-OFF
:D

I sure hope yours works better than the D-90 ones do!

http://128.83.80.200/taco/t44.jpg

Hmm, i wonder about putting a one way valve in the PCV valve line,
they make them in smaller sizes but not sure about the 3/8s the PCV needs
Maybe a Brake booster heck valve, but that might hold pressure

One-way valve wouldn't work. The flow direction would have to be from the valve cover to the intake anyway. In line filters would also be a problem since the oil would clog them. Still, better than hydro lock I guess…

i re-vented all my breathers, and bits and pieces, and ive had no problems, plus its bad to run a breather into the intake on a turbo motor :flipoff2:

and cause its diesel it doesnt even switch off :smokin:

but if its stalled, it fires right back up

so....the "maintenance free" sealed batteries are no good hmmm....dammit, might top them up if i can find the hole the fluids leaked out of..........

yeah, these are about a third the cost of optimas, those things run over $600 here i think

i got priced on a dry cell battery for like $900 :eek: and nearly crapped my pants

ill just take two of those perty little ones right there

Originally posted by BJ On Roids
so....the "maintenance free" sealed batteries are no good hmmm....dammit, might top them up if i can find the hole the fluids leaked out of..........

yeah, these are about a third the cost of optimas, those things run over $600 here i think

i got priced on a dry cell battery for like $900 :eek: and nearly crapped my pants

ill just take two of those perty little ones right there

to the best of my knowledge, the gas recombinant "sealed" batteries are incapable of being "topped up". lost electrolyte is.....well......yer fawked.

who knows, though. i'm sure someone, somewhere, has : "weel ah jest dee-rilled sum nu holes in th buggah, powed acid in an she worked lickety split"............

(please don't do that:D )

i guess everything's relative........ you guys get a lot of cool vehicles that we don't, but pay even MORE through the nose than us poor Canucks for Yankee stuff:(

Originally posted by paniolo


I sure hope yours works better than the D-90 ones do!

http://128.83.80.200/taco/t44.jpg

Ahhh, ya! have you ever seen a D-90 cage?

JUNK- more show than go. I have seen that picture, it does not surprise me in how the cage held up.:)

the breather topic got me to thinking of some ways to keep it legal and acomplish the same thing as a rerouted breather.

What if you installed (welded/brazed) a small tube down into the gallery it would still "breath" but in a roll over would be "above" the oil line (when upside down)

What got me thinking about this was the older 4cyl/6cyls with the lifter cover down there. That woudl be so easy to do...

Or i guess add a tube to the oil pan and vent up from there...

or dry sump....

or oh nevermind.... im going to bed....

-yag

Just wanted to drop a thanks to everyone for the helpful responses...especially the puke picture. :flipoff2:

Don't really have much to add of course, but it's cool to see a discussion that doesn't get out of hand on the newbie bashin' for once and actually contributes to the knowledge bank.

Originally posted by rokryder
Get the picture and get it back upright and no problems unless completely on its lid. If it goes onto and stays on its top I would take the time to pump the cylinders clean and make sure and check you headlight fluid. :flipoff2:

uh try explaining that to Matt
NOT on its lid
http://dkg.elmo-the-dog.com/pictures/medium/1021357120.66.120.161.113.jpg


got it back over and BANG
http://dkg.elmo-the-dog.com/pictures/medium/1021357556.66.120.161.113.jpg :p

Originally posted by UZI 9mm


to the best of my knowledge, the gas recombinant "sealed" batteries are incapable of being "topped up". lost electrolyte is.....well......yer fawked.


The so called "maintenance free" batteries still have caps that can be removed. They aren't really as maintenance free as the manufacturers would have you believe either.

Originally posted by UZI 9mm


i can totally sympathize with that- a buddy of nine just bought a yellow top yesterday, and with taxes/eco fee (:mad: ) etc. it cost $267.00 CDN:eek: :(

I just bought a blue top excide gel battery. To go with my yellowtop optima. Similar spec but as 3 nicer things:

1. Handles fold down into the battery. Optimas stick out.
2. extra set of poles for connecting on extra stoff, yellow optimas have ony 2 (blue optimas on the other hand...)
3. 20% cheaper. 145 Euro, guess about 140 us$



Other rollover notes, before getting out or anything, stop it, put it in gear, apply e-brake. Expecially on a slope :-)

Originally posted by Brad
[B]

uh try explaining that to Matt
NOT on its lid
http://dkg.elmo-the-dog.com/pictures/medium/1021357120.66.120.161.113.jpg


The jeep is laying with the manifold side down - assuming he has a inline six or a four; the oil just ran right down the ccv hose and into the intake where he hydrauliced the motor and popped a rod through the pan... How long was it running on its side?

Matt

Originally posted by welndmn
He was drinking from about noon down at pismo, That roll over happened around 4 am
No he was not even driving his rig, a friend was, then flop, i guess the 2-3 times over, down the dune was not a fun ride


Ya Fawker! I thought you said you did not post that.

As for the friend it was McFly4x4. I am sure some of you all know him.

I was so wasted I do not even remember rolling. only thing that bothers me is my elbow still. it is fawking tender to the touch.

The puking pic is Jopes out at Pismo a couple of weeks ago.....and no, he wasn't driving, I think he was the designated drinker that day!

Originally posted by wanderingwillys

The jeep is laying with the manifold side down - assuming he has a inline six or a four; the oil just ran right down the ccv hose and into the intake where he hydrauliced the motor and popped a rod through the pan... How long was it running on its side?

Matt

soon as he flopped he shut it off

Originally posted by Gordon
You call AAA. Oh wait that's the JU response. I think the Pirate respose is after you roll you crank the wheels towards the ground side and floor it:D if the motor blows up you replace it.:flipoff2: . Don't forget to take pictures while it's on it's side.

You forgot the :beer: you need to replace fluids. So don't forget drink a :beer: , take the pic and drag the dented pos back on it wheels.Then try a different line because that one didn't work. . Do all that if cranking the wheels towards the ground side and floor it:D doesn't work. If it does, have the :beer: afterwards.

That d-90 looks cooler after the roll than it did before!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Brad


soon as he flopped he shut it off

That sucks - apparently he got enough past the breather and into the manifold to do the deed though, It does look like he is past 90 degrees when just laying there on his side - the oil could have still been flowing for a short while after the motor was off - It is a good thing to keep in mind - routing those breathers else where might be a good plan... No one likes it when the block goes :nuke:

Matt

Originally posted by wanderingwillys


That sucks - apparently he got enough past the breather and into the manifold to do the deed though, It does look like he is past 90 degrees when just laying there on his side - the oil could have still been flowing for a short while after the motor was off - It is a good thing to keep in mind - routing those breathers else where might be a good plan... No one likes it when the block goes :nuke:

Matt well it did take a while to get him back over ;)