95 XJ Build - Junkyard to Trail [Archive]

MuddyPaws

12-08-2007, 02:23 PM

I don't post much over here but I have lurked and read and watched. Thought I would share a build I am doing with a bunch of high school students.

This all started with my old trusty YJ finally rusting to the point that it needed a new body. So after talking thinking about it and talking it over, we thought it would be a good time to go a different direction and build a vehicle with more room for passengers, gear, tools, parts and what not.

I say we in many places because this Jeep is being partially built by high school students and they are calling the shots. They chose the vehicle, colors, mods, lift, lighting, etc. When completed, this vehicle will be used in the same way as the YJ was. Students get to drive it in the local mud drags, parades and off road events and competitions. We also take it to car and truck shows, visit other schools with it and use it for general PR for the Career Center. In the winter, many times we have been called to help get hospital staff to work and we always use it to get students out of the ditches around the school.

Plans:
Convert to 4wd
BDS True 4 link Long Arm http://www.bds-suspension.com/
8.8 rear, HPd30 front, both alloy, both locked
Kalkaska Fab front bumper
Essentially Off Road full internal cage http://www.eoronline.com/
Bunch of stuff from Jeeperz Creeperz http://www.jeeperz-creeperz.com/
Bunch of stuff from North West 4x4 http://www.northwest4x4.com/
Durabak partial exterior and cargo area http://www.nonslipcoating.com/
35x12.5 ProComp XTerrains on AE-589's
Lots of chopping

This is what we started with. A 1995 2 wheel drive XJ. Saved from the salvage yard. Yes, it was in the junk yard. Said to have a bad motor. Vehicle had a Missouri plate on it and it was last registered 2 years ago. Gas smelled really bad and about a thousand parts were thrown at it to make it run and none helped. Even the coil is just plugged in and not bolted down just to test to see if a coil would make it run.

The Saturday it got towed to my shop, one of my students did about a half hour of diag, found no spark, checked the CPS and said it was bad. I had one at home so we went and got it, popped it in and it started right up. Runs great.

Here she sits in the Junk Yard, waiting to be stripped.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/junk-yard.JPG

The day it made it to the shop.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/pan.gif

So the inside is a bit rough. We'll see what we can do with it.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/i1.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/i2.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/i3.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/i4.JPG

The inside cleaned up pretty good but it is all still soaked and smells SUPER bad since it was sitting there for a while with a busted window. We will gut the inside and do some inspections, cleaning and other things.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/i5.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/i6.JPG

Cargo area will be stripped of carpet, a reinforcement will be welded/bolted in, and the rear shocks will be in-boarded to this. Then the whole cargo area will be covered with Durabak. The spare will be stored inside, as well as a toll/parts storage device.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/cargo.JPG

MuddyPaws

12-08-2007, 02:23 PM

Very very little rust on this thing.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/rocker.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/under1.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/under2.JPG

Removed the seats

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/seats-out1.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/seats-out2.JPG

Drivers side floor great

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/driver-floor.JPG

Passenger side floor slightly damaged from running it with the exhaust busted right at the cat and sitting with the passenger front window busted out. A few small pin holes and some surface rust. Nothing big.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/pass-floor.JPG

MuddyPaws

12-08-2007, 02:24 PM

The engine, needs some cleaning, new fluids, new battery, air filter etc. The normal stuff. The AC clutch is busted but the system is still charged. We will swap the clutch off the other XJ I have that will play donor for parts.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/engine1.JPG

Engine power washed

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/DSCF0893.JPG

Did the carpet too

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/DSCF0892.JPG

Paint is really sun faded but buffs out great

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/new-jeep/buff-test.JPG

Updates as I get time. We are much further along than this.

xjdoug

12-08-2007, 03:40 PM

good luck man as much as i love a rags to riches junkyard build i do enjoy starting with a clean reliable rig... if i had the green i'd love to resurrect something from the dead but i've attempted a few and i spend budget just making it run :D but it looks like a good start

MuddyPaws

12-08-2007, 04:07 PM

This thing runs perfect. No issues there. No smoke, no knocks, about 70,000 miles.

Original owner thought the motor was bad, AND they were trying to drive a 2wd Cherokee in Sault Sainte Marie Michigan in the winter. Not a good choice. So they scrapped it.

With a CPS it was totally drivable. The stock radio even works good...although the rear, overhead speaker pod in the cargo area is missing. I have yet to find a replacement for that.

onebadcherokee

12-08-2007, 04:35 PM

Nice find, but I think it's a 1996 XJ. I don't think they had airbags '95.

MuddyPaws

12-08-2007, 04:48 PM

Not OBDII so I don't think it's a 1996.

MuddyPaws

12-08-2007, 04:53 PM

This is the donor XJ. Yea yea, I know, it looks good. BUT Everything from the rockers down is GONE. Rust has been really hard on this machine.

So we parted it out for the good stuff. Front axle, trans and tcase for the 4x4 conversion. Some of the interior parts, tinted windows, dash parts....all kinds of misc stuff. Stripped any parts that could be used for trail spares or to replace normal trail damage also.

Yanked the motor. This motor will be rebuilt as I have money to do so, into a 4.7 stroker. For now, it will just sit in a corner of my garage. This will be the 7th stroker I will have built.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts-xj/DSCF0943.jpg

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts-xj/DSCF0981.JPG.jpg

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts-xj/DSCF0990.JPG.jpg

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts-xj/DSCF0983.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts-xj/DSCF1038.JPG

Stripped to the bone. Saved the glass and trim for use in the other XJ. The tint is factory, and since it was a Country model, it had nicer door panels and stuff.

Sold off everything that could be unbolted that we didn't need for our build. Doors, hatch, bumpers...I mean everything.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts-xj/DSCF1039.JPG

Starboard M

12-09-2007, 08:07 AM

Why not keep the doors for spares or half doors?

MuddyPaws

12-09-2007, 10:18 AM

Why not keep the doors for spares or half doors?

Bottoms were rusted pretty bad....and most of all I needed money for the build. I sold everything I could off it, and I parted this out except I kept things that would work on the new rig...wheels, tires, rear axle, lockers, RS900 shocks, all the electronics like CB and stuff. Rolled it, and the body was so rusted that it didn't want to stay on the frame.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/jeep/rocks.jpg

MuddyPaws

12-09-2007, 11:03 AM

Gutted the inside in prep for Durabak, mods and the Cage and started to pull other stuff off for paint and other mods.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/gutted/DSCF0996.JPG

Pulled all the crappy glass. The glass in this one had that cheap stick on tint...actually 2 layers of it and it was all scratched, bubbled and missing in spots. The green XJ has factory tint. Way nicer.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/gutted/DSCF0997.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/gutted/DSCF0998.JPG

We're also swapping in much of the interior trim from the green XJ. It was a Country and had a nicer interior. Front seats will come from the parted out YJ...they were those GM seats that someone on here sold a million of. Nice suspension type seats. Rear seats and door panels will come from the green XJ.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/gutted/DSCF0999.JPG

MuddyPaws

12-09-2007, 11:04 AM

Ripped all the suspension out of the rig in prep for the lift and the 8.8 install.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/suspension-removal/1.JPG
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http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/suspension-removal/6.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/suspension-removal/7.JPG

Estimated ride height. Yea, there will be some trimming.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/suspension-removal/ride-height-1.JPG

zainyD

12-09-2007, 11:59 AM

Very nice project! Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.

rehab

12-09-2007, 04:37 PM

following the build on greatlakes, looks cool. give me a shout if you need anything.

Brad Smith

12-09-2007, 05:28 PM

cherokeefreak92

12-09-2007, 06:51 PM

looks pretty sweet, looks to be a great build so far. nice job

BlackSkies7

12-09-2007, 07:25 PM

Just for what its worth, my 95 has a driver side airbag... take it out anyway for a trail rig. I remember a past offroad event where a lady was knocked out by her airbag going off when she slid into a tree. Or pull the fuse offroad!

pennsylvaniaboy

12-09-2007, 07:50 PM

awesome what are you teaching...im an education major and hope to do the same thing someday

MuddyPaws

12-09-2007, 08:49 PM

Subscribed,
I love to see adults doing these kind of builds with kids. You are a hero and keep us updated. Im on the west coast but if you run into parts that you need just pm or email me ill see if i can get them and send them out for the cause.

:)

Just for what its worth, my 95 has a driver side airbag... take it out anyway for a trail rig. I remember a past offroad event where a lady was knocked out by her airbag going off when she slid into a tree. Or pull the fuse offroad!

There is going to be a switch added to kill the airbag while off road. I already played that game once when I was a passenger in a ZJ. One drop off a ledge and the bags went off. That sucked.

awesome what are you teaching...im an education major and hope to do the same thing someday

I teach Automotive Technology. Grad of Ferris State back in 95.

MuddyPaws

12-09-2007, 08:52 PM

Little interior fixing

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/under/DSCF0984.JPG

Then I spent about 2 hours power washing the bottom to knock all the old undercoating off.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/under/DSCF1104.JPG

Then re-coated it and got the trans and tcase in. Refreshed the trans.

Added a SYE from Jeeperz Creeperz and swapped in the gears and chain from a chevy np231. They are about 1/2 inch wider.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/under/DSCF1106.JPG

Ditched the plastic "skid plate"

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/under/DSCF1299.JPG

Coated the gas tank and picked up a stock type skid from Blue XJ. The stocker will be plated with 3/16 for added strength.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/under/DSCF1300.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/under/DSCF1301.JPG

Caper

12-09-2007, 10:23 PM

your pretty good on the safety glasses. looks like the engine can fall off the forklift and land on buddy's chuck taylors.

are you gonna make some stuff, or bolt it all on?

redline61

12-09-2007, 10:54 PM

Finish buffing that poor thing.

MuddyPaws

12-10-2007, 06:13 PM

your pretty good on the safety glasses. looks like the engine can fall off the forklift and land on buddy's chuck taylors.

are you gonna make some stuff, or bolt it all on?

There is a hole in the end of the fork on the fork lift for a bolt to go through the chain and the fork so it can't slip.

We'll be building a few things. Just cut the plate for the gas tank skid so now we have to bend it to fit. The front bumper will be mostly built by us. Rear bumper we'll be building. Lots of body mods and welding. Lots of wiring. There will be a spare holder and some type of tool/parts holder in the back. Maybe we'll make a slide out or something. We'll build rock sliders. We have to build seat mounts for the different front seats.

We aren't doing a bunch of hard core fab on this build. This one is more for theory and practical application.

We also have a Toyota pick-up of a customer's in the shop and that will be more fab. SAS Swap, maybe back halfing it with a 4 link. Full trail rig though...no street time.

Finish buffing that poor thing.

:D After the Durabak is on. Most of it is all sanded down right now. I really gotta get caught up on the pictures. We just did a flex text on it to measure for shocks.

crosbike

12-10-2007, 06:49 PM

WOW. This build looks great. I love that you are incorporating the youngins in as well. I will definitely be following this thread.

MuddyPaws

12-10-2007, 07:04 PM

Collecting parts.

So there is a pick up bed of parts from my garage and basement that I added to the the pile....then the other stuff started to show up.

Got a package from Jeeperz Creeperz....always great to do business with Kevin down there. Got gears, install kit, etc etc shipped to me from him and then when I was down for Thanksgiving I picked up a few other things like grab handles, bumpstops and stuff from the store.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts/DSCF1210.JPG

This is the heavy duty track bar bracket we will be using.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts/DSCF1212.JPG

So then I had to deliver parts that I sold off the YJ to people down in Traverse City so I stopped into NorthWest4x4.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts/DSCF1166.JPG

Man do they have a nice place. And a great bunch of guys there also. They gave me a tour around the store and then the shop area and let me peek in on some of the projects they have going.

I had never heard of this place till I was on the BDS website and looked up distributors of their lifts. After chewing the fat with these guys for a couple of hours, I went home with the new BDS True Long Arm kit. Now this lift is pricy but call NorthWest and see what they can do for ya.

The BDS long arm was chosen because it is a true 4 link and it does not use radius arms. We have seen many radius arm designs leave people stranded in the woods when one mount breaks. This setup is easier to get out of the woods with on something that has broken. And if something does bust....who can beat the BDS "no fine print" warranty? No one can.

This kit is by far the most complete and well thought out kit I have seen, although there are many places where it wants you to re-use stock hardware. We won't be doing that. All stock hardware will be replaced with new grade 8 hardware.

Finally finished with picking up stuff and almost done with my ebay buying spree. :D

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts/DSCF1181.JPG

BDS lower arms, way bigger. Super beefy. I Opted for the Super Flex system.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts/DSCF1185.JPG

Upper arm...same thing, Super Flex

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts/DSCF1186.JPG

Just noticed......this doesn't seem like it's going to fit. More on that later.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/parts/DSCF1187.JPG

MuddyPaws

12-10-2007, 07:30 PM

Getting the rear set up. Ford 8.8 with disks from an Explorer. Locker from Jeeperz Creeperz. 4.10 gears.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/brakes-and-rear/DSCF1190.JPG

The BDS kit came with some killer extended stainless braided brake hoses and the coper washers to boot.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/brakes-and-rear/DSCF1191.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/brakes-and-rear/DSCF1192.JPG

Picked up a set of perches and u-bolts off ebay. God I love ebay. Just about built the YJ completely off ebay.

Very nice welds if you ask me. these were done by a 16 year old welding student.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/brakes-and-rear/DSCF1229.JPG

Testing height....

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/brakes-and-rear/DSCF1228.JPG

With my 6 year old for size comparison.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/brakes-and-rear/DSCF1230.JPG

XJ_ranger

12-10-2007, 07:49 PM

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/brakes-and-rear/DSCF1191.JPG

you might want to move that frame side mount forward and down - not because of brake line length, but because back there, the hard line is VERY suseptable to being ripped off the body as a rock is picked up and pulled through the fender with the tire...

just something I've seen happen...

Brad Smith

12-10-2007, 07:53 PM

I see that you picked up another A/C pump, with the mild summers and long winters you should add an air tank and use the pump for on board air one of the best upgrades you can do, using the stock pump

MuddyPaws

12-10-2007, 08:11 PM

We did a flex test today and moved the brake hard line. There is so much room between the tire and frame, I would have to pick up a pumpkin size rock to rip it off.

The old control arm mounts will be cut off.

We have an large Ultimate Air CO2 tank. http://www.ultimate-air.com/

I kept the other pump from the green XJ because I need the clutch off it. The green xj's pump was dead, knocking REAL bad. The red Cherokee has good working AC but the clutch was busted. So I swapped the clutch off the dead pump and put it on the good pump.

Gotlift01

12-11-2007, 11:14 AM

Sweet build! I wish my automotive teacher back in highschool would have let us do a cool project like that! All we got to do was work on piece of crap cars :shaking:

DansGreyMj

12-11-2007, 11:30 AM

Sweet build! I wish my automotive teacher back in highschool would have let us do a cool project like that! All we got to do was work on piece of crap cars :shaking:

ur lucky, my school didnt have shop classes because it wasnt "educational"

Gotlift01

12-11-2007, 11:46 AM

ur lucky, my school didnt have shop classes because it wasnt "educational"

Neither did my school.......I was lucky enough to be accepted to a trade school in a town about 20 miles away from my high school to take automotive classes and welding.

I wish every school had classes like those!

MuddyPaws

12-11-2007, 01:53 PM

ur lucky, my school didnt have shop classes because it wasnt "educational"

We are fighting that right now in Michigan. The gov. just doesn't see any benefit to any vocational program. Stupid <insert bad word here>:grinpimp:

Neither did my school.......I was lucky enough to be accepted to a trade school in a town about 20 miles away from my high school to take automotive classes and welding.

I wish every school had classes like those!

I work in a Career Center that serves the entire eastern upper peninsula for Michigan. So at the outskirts, I have students that travel about 45 minutes one way to come to my class. Then on the way back, they have to eat lunch on the bus and they don't get a normal lunch at school. They have to want to come to my class because the travel time takes away one hour of credit they can get to graduate. So for what we call the area student (as opposed to the locals) I only get the kids with good grades and stuff....not the ones that might not graduate if they fail one class.

Locals are different though...I get all kinds of locals.:p

MuddyPaws

12-11-2007, 05:39 PM

Crossmember pics. I know the joints aren't straight, the bolts aren't tight. Just wanted to share the crossmember. It's very slick...very stout. Has recessed and boxed bolt holes for the trans mount.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/crossmember/DSCF1231.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/crossmember/DSCF1232.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/crossmember/DSCF1250.JPG
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http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/crossmember/DSCF1257.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/crossmember/DSCF1259.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/crossmember/DSCF1260.JPG

MuddyPaws

12-11-2007, 05:41 PM

Here is the problem I was talking about with the bump stop. According to all info, The 87-96 models had larger diameter mounts then the 97-01. But this one is a 95 and it has the smaller diameter mounts. Might be a thing with the 2 wheel drive XJ but i'm not sure.

Not a big deal, A quick message to Matt with BDS and a new set is on the way.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/bump-pitman/DSCF1266.JPG

Got the box from BDS...super fast shipping for a correction. Here are the 3 bump stops. The correct one popped right in with a little help from some silicone.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/bump-pitman/DSCF1314.JPG

Jeepernick

12-11-2007, 08:03 PM

did you build the cross member? looks good but why didnt you skid plate the TCase?

Good looking build... really turning that bic lighter around

MuddyPaws

12-11-2007, 08:37 PM

No, the crossmember is a BDS part. There is a t-case skid that hooks to it and goes to the frame rails...it's just not installed yet. Left it out for not till we get all the wiring and crap done.

87manche

12-12-2007, 01:33 PM

that BDS system looks real nice.

Jeepernick

12-12-2007, 04:18 PM

HAHA YA I found the link on ur first post, sorry over looked it

You say true 4-link setup?

Does it use a panhard bar/trac bar?

I thought "true" 4-links didnt run them?

MuddyPaws

12-12-2007, 08:51 PM

HAHA YA I found the link on ur first post, sorry over looked it

You say true 4-link setup?

Does it use a panhard bar/trac bar?

I thought "true" 4-links didnt run them?

Did I say true 4 link? I meant true long arm. Sorry. I see many doing radius arm long setups and I really don't like them. A failure can really screw you on the trail. It does use a track bar.

The BDS kit has these slick control arm skid plates. Really stiffen up the mounts and protect the ends.

They are weld on.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1222.JPG

Cool pic, is this bad for the camera? :)

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1223.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1225.JPG

Few more....getting closer to catching this thread up to where the actual build is at.

Hanging the front.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1239.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1240.JPG

Sway bar disconnect connection

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1242.JPG

Disconnects

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1315.JPG

MuddyPaws

12-12-2007, 08:52 PM

My student assistant. He wants to be a teacher when he grows up. I have him working with the 8th graders...they keep him busy. :laughing: They are building a lawn tractor pulling tractor also.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1256.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1271.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1275.JPG

Jeepernick

12-12-2007, 10:38 PM

looking good under there

I have the same camo straps... kind of weird :eek:

oh and JKS and Currie both make skids like that for the axle brackets,

currie makes brackets and the skids... all 3/16

http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/Product.aspx?id=1275

http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/Product.aspx?id=2374

what I run on my extreme turdy :flipoff2:

hadfield4wd

12-13-2007, 04:45 AM

Nice job. I must say I am the son of a Woodshop teacher. Our school had done away with auto tech right before I got there. It's a shame they are doing away with it. Great job I wish I could have done this in high school.

xjdoug

12-13-2007, 03:31 PM

once it hits the trail i'd like to know how you like the bds setup i've never talked to anyone running it and am curoius as to performance

PRBJeepin

12-13-2007, 05:10 PM

Did I say true 4 link? I meant true long arm. Sorry. I see many doing radius arm long setups and I really don't like them. A failure can really screw you on the trail. It does use a track bar.

The BDS kit has these slick control arm skid plates. Really stiffen up the mounts and protect the ends.

They are weld on.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1222.JPG

Cool pic, is this bad for the camera? :)

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/axle/DSCF1223.JPG

Not trying to be a d... but why is this kid not using the welding helmet? Looks to me like its on his head but its not down enough for him to look out of it.
Cant really tell in the second pic but it looks like hes not in that one either.

MuddyPaws

12-13-2007, 07:00 PM

I think the first pic is a tack strike. Not sure. I'm not a welder so I don't know what is ok and what isn't. I know over the years I have seen the "close your eyes tack" many many times, even on TV.

MuddyPaws

12-13-2007, 07:03 PM

Little trimming getting ready for the front bumper

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1220.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1221.JPG

The t-case skid since someone asked about it.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1316.JPG

Sat it on the ground. Still have lots to do. Brakes, shocks, track bar....lots. Wanted to see how high it was going to sit. Tossed some tires in the back for weight.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1319%20%5b800x600%5d.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1318.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1317.JPG

MuddyPaws

12-13-2007, 07:05 PM

Didn't get a whole lot done this day. Friday is usually when we get most of the work done because it is open shop day and that's when kids bring all their cars in to do whatever...and anyone that wants to work on the Jeep can. Today was a test day so they were busy most of the time taking an electrical exam.

We did get some done, but much that isn't really picture worthy. New (used) AC clutch, bled the brakes, hooked up the front drive shaft, installed the exhaust pipe off the header, did some sanding. Mostly small stuff because there were a bunch of vehicles in the shop needing attention.

This got done....:lol:

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1312.JPG

And the kids found out what happens when you sea foam an engine and forget to turn on the exhaust fan. They had the hose hooked up, just didn't turn the fan on. It was 100 times worse than this at the worst....had all the ventilation going before I took this. I was waiting for someone to pull the fire alarm.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1332.JPG

Roadhouse

12-13-2007, 07:15 PM

Looking good Tim. You'll be done with your second rig build up before I ever finish my first:p

256offroad

12-14-2007, 08:44 AM

this is effin awesome!!! i wish i had a shop teacher like that!!!...wait i was homeschooled...and my shop clas was working on my own jeep....but i had to pay for all the mods...:(......

Gotlift01

12-14-2007, 09:09 AM

That is awesome seeing those little kids working on the Jeep! Especially the little guy cutting the fender.....looks like he did a pretty good job!:D

MuddyPaws

12-14-2007, 03:49 PM

this is effin awesome!!! i wish i had a shop teacher like that!!!...wait i was homeschooled...and my shop clas was working on my own jeep....but i had to pay for all the mods...:(......

hahahah. No different here. customers, including students and me pay for all the parts. No labor though, it's against the law for us to charge labor.

MuddyPaws

12-14-2007, 03:50 PM

That is awesome seeing those little kids working on the Jeep! Especially the little guy cutting the fender.....looks like he did a pretty good job!:D

:laughing:

Fricken 8th grader. Some of hardest working kids I have ever had. Every morning he walks in and say "What can I cut today."

He loves the air saw. LOL

MuddyPaws

12-14-2007, 03:54 PM

Well today half the schools were closed so we had some down time and we set the Jeep down to do a little flex text to see how much room we had for shocks, make sure the brake lines were good, check fender clearance and what not.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1390.JPG

Brake line is a banjo string but the spring is also off it's mount. Looks like limiting straps will be going in. Man the BDS lift flexes like crazy in the front.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1391.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1392.JPG

Gonna need to do a little more cutting in the front.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1393.JPG

I hope the rear springs break in a bit. I bet this changes when we get all the weight in it. There is NOTHING inside the Cherokee right now.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1394.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1395.JPG

While it was there, took a pic of the locally made driveshaft. Actually it's a lengthened Ann Arbor Driveshafts driveshaft....when Evil-E was still working there and the place wasn't a worthless.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1396.JPG

A look at the arms...

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1397.JPG

Did a little more cutting to the front. Have to test again to see if we went far enough.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test/DSCF1398.JPG

Jeepernick

12-14-2007, 04:07 PM

Looks great man.

I am sure the rear will work in and loosin up allowing for more flex, but it all depends on the springs. It took a few months and long wheelin trips to get my RE springs to start flexing really well

keep up the good work :smokin:

pipehitter155

12-14-2007, 04:11 PM

looks really good...

stevej21

12-14-2007, 04:22 PM

Your probably going to need to stiffen up the front and change the stock rear shackle angle to get some more movement in the rear. Atleast that was some advise I was given.

MuddyPaws

12-14-2007, 04:34 PM

Yea, every set of leaves I have had took a little bit to free them up. It's odd, the leaves seen soft when you bounce the thing.

But like I said, there is nothing inside...and I mean nothing. Not even a headliner in those pics. So you add all the seats, interior trim, a 35 inch spare, toolbox and spare parts, spare fluids, cooler, full roll cage....

Gotta soften up a bit.

MuddyPaws

12-14-2007, 04:35 PM

Oh, and the pics are getting closer to where the build is actually at. This build has been going on for months.

MuddyPaws

12-14-2007, 04:48 PM

Couple of misc pics....

Got the rear shocks mounted. New heavy duty diff cover should be here tomorrow.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1401.JPG

Shot of the t-case skid. Just hanging there right now...not fully installed.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1402.JPG

Someone asked about exhaust clearance....the crossmember is notched for that.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1403.JPG

Gonna have to bend this pipe to make it all line up. I don't remember what rig this pipe came from.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1405.JPG

xjjeepthing

12-15-2007, 05:26 AM

Looks awesome. I have the BDS 3" on my XJ and love it. Flexes like mad and works great.

hadfield4wd

12-15-2007, 06:45 AM

I have the BDS 5" springs with full length Deaver spring liner between each leaf. flexes great. I have boomerang shackels for clearance a good shackle angle.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k51/hadfield4wd/My%20Jeep/Shackleangle.jpg

I do have a decent amount of wieght in the back. so that helps to compress them.

Mekcanix

12-15-2007, 02:22 PM

wow is all I can say thats some nice work you have given me a couple of Ideas for my XJ excellent work keep posting pics

wheelchairman

12-15-2007, 03:31 PM

MuddyPaws

12-15-2007, 05:03 PM

subscribed

Our school has a bunch of classes like these but only for juniors and seniors. We have welding,machining,auto tech, auto collision. I'm in auto collision but have a couple friends in auto tech. None get to do cool projects like this but I am gettin to do alot of work to a cj 2a:smokin:

The auto program is mostloy for 11 and 12 grade. The 8th grade kids were in an exploratory class that has covered everything from small engines to hydraulics to robotics to automotive.

I wish I would have been able to take classes like these in high school too. Auto and all that were places to dump the burn outs and they would sit back there and wash cars and crap. No real learning. My have Career Center programs come a long way.

xjdoug

12-15-2007, 05:47 PM

yeah i graduated from a private high school these kinds of classes were considered unnecessary, i would have loved to havetaken auto and welding and such, so instead i taught myself, in the long run private school did me no good. two years out of school and i'm in restaurant management ;)

MuddyPaws

12-15-2007, 08:31 PM

Ok, more getting done. Slowly.

Started the roll cage.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1429.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1430.JPG

More mocking up of the cage. Don't mind the stripper pole on the right, it's just there to hold crap up while I got it to fit.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1453.JPG

Got the armor plating welded onto the gas tank skid.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1460.JPG

I'm not looking forward to dealing with all this crap.....

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1461.JPG

Something that one of the Drafting/Welding students made, so I bought it from him.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1459.JPG

WOOO HOOOO! This thread is now caught up with where the build is actually at. Updates may come a bit more slowly now since it only gets a few hours a week of being worked on.

TJP

12-15-2007, 09:38 PM

MuddyPaws

12-15-2007, 11:02 PM

If you look at that last pic, the hard lines have been relocated and the fender is cut more.

The front shocks are in and it still goes just about as far. We're running long travel RS9000's in the front so we get more droop than we can really use. We're gonna put limit straps in to keep it from drooping onto the shocks for limit.

pipehitter155

12-16-2007, 06:00 AM

once again everything is lookin nice...very clean work so far...

wheelchairman

12-16-2007, 03:21 PM

The auto program is mostloy for 11 and 12 grade. The 8th grade kids were in an exploratory class that has covered everything from small engines to hydraulics to robotics to automotive.

I wish I would have been able to take classes like these in high school too. Auto and all that were places to dump the burn outs and they would sit back there and wash cars and crap. No real learning. My have Career Center programs come a long way.

Ya our career center is actually one of the lower scale ones in the area but we have full cnc machines, water jet, lathes mills etc etc.

To get into the classes you have to fill out an application with references and they decide on an individual basis and many times even talk to you about your interests in taking the course. This makes the enviroment great because you dont get hardly any of the drop out kids. Our auto body shop just got ASE certified and we get to do competitions in a month or two. Normally we get top 5 in state every year.

MuddyPaws

12-16-2007, 07:02 PM

Ya our career center is actually one of the lower scale ones in the area but we have full cnc machines, water jet, lathes mills etc etc.

To get into the classes you have to fill out an application with references and they decide on an individual basis and many times even talk to you about your interests in taking the course. This makes the enviroment great because you dont get hardly any of the drop out kids. Our auto body shop just got ASE certified and we get to do competitions in a month or two. Normally we get top 5 in state every year.

Very cool. I'm on my 8th year of ASE certification for the program. NATEF actually but it's part of ASE.

MuddyPaws

12-16-2007, 07:04 PM

Got a PM about the cage...so......

Had to go out to the store to get some milk so I swung over to the shop and snapped a couple of pics to show you what I mean about the cage.

Front hoop....close to dash but vents still work.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1467.JPG

Glovebox....well....:laughing:

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1468.JPG

Driver's side...the light switch misses the bar by about how thick your finger is.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1471.JPG

Here is the middle hoop. If it goes straight up and down, it is too far into the door opening. I still don't like how far it extends into the opening at the top.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1466.JPG

but this is how it sits with a seat there, so I guess that's where it has to be.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1469.JPG

I am going to have to shorten up the back stringers because I want this hoop closer to the rear seat.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1472.JPG

If I don't move the rear hoop forward, then the kickers won't fit right.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/cage/DSCF1474.JPG

cherokeefreak92

12-17-2007, 10:29 AM

roll cage looks alittle funky but I guess I have to see it done

bluewheelinYJ

12-17-2007, 03:14 PM

You getting rid of the interior?? I need the back seat if so.

MuddyPaws

12-17-2007, 03:22 PM

roll cage looks alittle funky but I guess I have to see it done

Need more input. We are not pro's when it comes to this and need tips. What is funky?

You getting rid of the interior?? I need the back seat if so.

Everything is going back in.

TJP

12-17-2007, 08:42 PM

The cage could use some triangulation for added strength. What are you doing for floor plate to tie it into the frame? I would also reccomend plating the frame and beefing the steering box mounts.

Here's some JeepSpeed frame and cage work.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture148.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture105.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Jeepspeed20175120030.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Jeepspeed20174920001.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/DSC00361.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture055.jpg

BTW did you get a chance to take those measurements?

MuddyPaws

12-18-2007, 04:55 AM

I knew I would hear "triangulation" here.:laughing:

Not all the tubes are in. Nothing is even tack welded yet. There will be gussets and a few more bars going plus the bars already cut to go in.

The cage plates thought the floor, then ties into the frame stiffeners and the rocker guards, both of which have yet to be fabbed. They are drawn up, but that's it.

Not planning to roll it down a mountain though. I live in Michigan and just wanted some added protection. It's a little different than out west.

I'll try and get the measurments today.

Roadhouse66

12-18-2007, 05:49 AM

Not planning to roll it down a mountain though. I live in Michigan and just wanted some added protection. It's a little different than out west.

Worse that can happen here is laying it on its side.

cherokeefreak92

12-18-2007, 08:39 AM

Need more input. We are not pro's when it comes to this and need tips. What is funky?

well it could be just me and the pics that you have posted. It looks like a great cage so far.

MuddyPaws

12-18-2007, 07:09 PM

MuddyPaws

12-18-2007, 07:17 PM

Oh, and the Hood vents came in yesterday.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/hood-vents/DSCF1489.JPG

Here it is, the Riddler 8.8 cover. Bought from Mesa 4x4 http://www.mesa4x4.com/ on here. I like it because it is a lipless cover and the bolts are somewhat out of the way, it was less than the others, but way heavier duty than the stock one.

The front cover will be one of those bent plate ones. I seem to mash the front more than the rear anyway.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/diff-cover/DSCF1462.JPG

First order of business was to get rid of the R and all the cast bumps and get it ready for powder coating.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/diff-cover/DSCF1463.JPG

Here is a pic of the inside.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/diff-cover/DSCF1464.JPG

Bling. Came with stainless bolts also. I know it'll get scratched up but gotta have the bling to start with at least.

Maybe it's my monitor but it's a darker red in real life.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/diff-cover/DSCF1476.JPG

Does this make my rear end look huge? :laughing:

Maybe shoulda done black. It's a slimming color.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/diff-cover/DSCF1492.jpg

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/diff-cover/DSCF1493.jpg

TJP

12-18-2007, 08:43 PM

No really, that will be too late. :p

If there is something that is funky...lemme know. I mean besides the poles not being straight and all that. It's just being mocked up right now. Nothing more.

"Needs more triangulation" is no help. It wouldn't matter if the cage had so many triangles that the driver couldn't get in, someone here would say NMT. Not building a JeepSpeed rig so none of that is needed.

I'm not saying to get crazy with the triangulation, just add some. My main concern would be with the main hoop. Other then that just use lots of gussets.

Are you planning on adding a dash bar?

XJ_ranger

12-18-2007, 09:08 PM

bla bla bla

pictures of other peoples junk

bla bla bla

Dude...

post some of your own shit or let the man build his sht the way he wants too...

any idiot can post pictures of someone else's work, and say 'look - this is how it should be'

if you're going to comment and advise people, at least comment and advise people based on your own experience....

advise them based on how you built your cage, and where it failed when you rolled it or flopped it, and it needed to be fixed... then your advice will be real instead of "could stand to have more triangulation" and other BS based on what everyone says...

I liked it a lot better around here when you 'no longer cared...'

Roadhouse66

12-18-2007, 09:55 PM

Jeepernick

12-19-2007, 07:02 AM

oh he is just trying to sound like a bad ass tech guy same "it needs more triangulation"

The kid already said a 10 times he doesnt need a Jeepspeed ready cage.

Let him finish the cage, show you the wheelin he will be doing and then make your silly comments:flipoff2:

TJP

12-19-2007, 06:10 PM

Dude...

post some of your own shit or let the man build his sht the way he wants too...

any idiot can post pictures of someone else's work, and say 'look - this is how it should be'

if you're going to comment and advise people, at least comment and advise people based on your own experience....

advise them based on how you built your cage, and where it failed when you rolled it or flopped it, and it needed to be fixed... then your advice will be real instead of "could stand to have more triangulation" and other BS based on what everyone says...

I liked it a lot better around here when you 'no longer cared...'

I don't have to prove anything to you... All you are good for is talking shit...:shaking:

not to mention it is an unfinished cage....not all bars/gussets etc are added yet.

He asked a question and I responded. I know his cage isn't finished. He asked for input before he finished it.

oh he is just trying to sound like a bad ass tech guy same "it needs more triangulation"

The kid already said a 10 times he doesnt need a Jeepspeed ready cage.

Let him finish the cage, show you the wheelin he will be doing and then make your silly comments:flipoff2:

I know he isn't building a JeepSpeed rig. I suggested adding triangulation in one area, the one that protects the driver and passenger the most. As for your comments, you don't know anything about me. I have more years of experience doing fab work, building race cars, 4wd rigs, and turning wrenches then you have been alive for. Get a clue....:flipoff2:

Jeepernick

12-20-2007, 08:01 AM

I don't have to prove anything to you... All you are good for is talking shit...:shaking:

He asked a question and I responded. I know his cage isn't finished. He asked for input before he finished it.

I know he isn't building a JeepSpeed rig. I suggested adding triangulation in one area, the one that protects the driver and passenger the most. As for your comments, you don't know anything about me. I have more years of experience doing fab work, building race cars, 4wd rigs, and turning wrenches then you have been alive for. Get a clue....:flipoff2:

That just makes u sound really old :laughing:

Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it...... happy holidays :flipoff2:

TJP

12-20-2007, 08:21 AM

That just makes u sound really old :laughing:

Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it...... happy holidays :flipoff2:

I am old... My body keeps telling me it's about 10-20 years older then I really am... Lifes a bitch, but I'm used to it...

Happy Holidays to you too:flipoff2:

malsxj

12-20-2007, 08:48 AM

Nice find, but I think it's a 1996 XJ. I don't think they had airbags '95.
Nope 95 have the airbag in the steering wheel only no passenger.

terryd

12-20-2007, 01:46 PM

MuddyPaws

12-21-2007, 08:56 PM

Muddy, I love the build man. I'd have taken auto-shop in school if we'd had someone like you running it! Our shop couldn't take a 80's S-10 2wd apart and put it back together and it still run. I think it took the teacher two weeks to get it going again. lol I hope those kids are learning it well enough to represent the next gen of wheeler's and auto-freaks with pride! Keep posting, I read this almost every day!

Terry

I love hearing this stuff. It means more to me than you know. I do it for the kids and for the love of the sport. My students get on these boards and read posts like this and start to realize how lucky they are to have a good Career Center, not just my program, but all the programs we offer. Welding, Machine, Construction, Drafting, Woodshop...and that's just the shop classes. We have the Allied Health, Marketing, Computers etc also. Fantastic opportunities for the students that the state can't seem to see as important.

So thanks for the comments.:)

Now, while we are waiting for seats (picking them up in the morning) we did a little work on the front bumper. There is a MP cut in the front....the kids want to add some bling and light the holes and the MP up with some LED bars.:p

There will be some side bars that wrap around the corners.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/front-bumper/DSCF1528.JPG

Bone11b

12-24-2007, 07:46 AM

Nice build!
X2 Wish my auto shop class could have been that cool:mad3:

ddeadserious

12-24-2007, 10:51 AM

What happened to the side bars that were originally on it?

MuddyPaws

12-24-2007, 11:28 AM

What happened to the side bars that were originally on it?

They wouldn't clear the side marker lights so I had to hack them off. We made new sides for it.

Yota Tony

12-26-2007, 08:01 PM

facking sweet looking man.
My auto shop sucked in comparison.

cherokeefreak92

12-29-2007, 07:29 PM

No really, that will be too late. :p

If there is something that is funky...lemme know. I mean besides the poles not being straight and all that. It's just being mocked up right now. Nothing more.

"Needs more triangulation" is no help. It wouldn't matter if the cage had so many triangles that the driver couldn't get in, someone here would say NMT. Not building a JeepSpeed rig so none of that is needed.

No I wansnt gonna say more triangulation. I took another look at the pic and it was just the camera angle that looked weird to me. Looks better now that you have more of a fuller pic of it.

TJP

12-29-2007, 10:01 PM

No I wansnt gonna say more triangulation. I took another look at the pic and it was just the camera angle that looked weird to me. Looks better now that you have more of a fuller pic of it.

They can build it however they want. They are doing a great job so far.

Once the hoilday break is over they will show updates I'd guess.

Keep up the good work and training. I hope you had a great holiday break.

MuddyPaws

12-30-2007, 07:46 PM

We'll have more updates this coming weekend. There will be bunch of kids coming in this Wednesday and Thursday to do some work.

I told them I would be there all day and if they needed to work on their car or install something they got for Christmas, then they could do it then. I have had several e-mails from students that want to work on the Jeep then so I said fine. We might get a bunch done.:)

I wonder how many pizza's I will need for lunch. I already have 5 dozen doughnuts reserved for the morning.

RATHEFSJMAN

01-03-2008, 05:44 PM

hey this is great that kids get to do this stuff at school. I do that but i just get to make parts in Ag power tec and not build the jeep at school actually. So its kinda boring i spent some where like 9 days building the shackles for my fsj cuz we olny have 45min a day so it sucks.

thecherokeekid

01-03-2008, 06:57 PM

I graduated last year from high school. but if we had a class or teacher like this, id be super senior for sure :) keep it up

MuddyPaws

01-04-2008, 12:16 AM

Yes, but not much you can really "see". Christmas break has slowed progress. I got lots of welding in the rear wheel wells done. The other day it too 5 hours to get the front driver's seat mounted....long story...Welded up the front part of the cage. Drilled some of the front bumper mount holes. Lots of cleaning and sanding has been done also.

Rear wheel wells all welded up. Mig welded the seam back together from the outside, then brazed it from the inside, then applied panel bonding epoxy on the inside. Will be plenty strong.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/rear-wheel-well/DSCF1399.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/rear-wheel-well/DSCF1400.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/rear-wheel-well/DSCF1569.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/rear-wheel-well/DSCF1570.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/rear-wheel-well/DSCF1571.JPG

alteredxj

01-04-2008, 06:18 AM

nice clean build i like it you should bob the rear Quarters while your at it

MuddyPaws

01-04-2008, 08:49 AM

nice clean build i like it you should bob the rear Quarters while your at it

Thought about it but they are so solid it just wouldn't feel right.:D We might make some plate protection back there but it sits so damn high, I don't know that it will be a problem. We're in Michigan, not out west.

alteredxj

01-04-2008, 10:00 AM

mine were clean and rust free but they will never hit now. we do a lot of trails in Vermont so you may see mud rocks and trees pluss more in one ride

94stepsideford

01-04-2008, 10:41 AM

Those kids are lucky. Our tech program was all FWD cars. Replacing CV shafts got old after about the 10th time.

These kids will remember you and your influence on them for a long time, you are a true hero man.

94stepsideford

01-04-2008, 10:58 AM

mine were clean and rust free but they will never hit now. we do a lot of trails in Vermont so you may see mud rocks and trees pluss more in one ride

Where abouts in VT are you?

alteredxj

01-04-2008, 07:25 PM

Hinesburg Vermont 15 minutes outside of burlington

RyleyXJ

01-04-2008, 08:26 PM

Why did you go through all the trouble of cutting and welding the rear fenders when you could've just notched it and bent it back?

mopar400

01-04-2008, 09:26 PM

I'm impressed with your build. Not many kids would get that opportunity! Good work! Where did you purchase the BDS kit? I like the long arms. Kevin

MuddyPaws

01-04-2008, 10:35 PM

Why did you go through all the trouble of cutting and welding the rear fenders when you could've just notched it and bent it back?

Because that looks like crap.

terryd

01-05-2008, 04:17 AM

Because that looks like crap.

:laughing: I think he's got the "pirate" idea.... lol Keep building man, I really like the wheel wells!

RyleyXJ

01-05-2008, 08:06 AM

Because that looks like crap.

Not if you do it right... Just sayin', most people tend to do the cut and weld when they trim much more than what you did.

jp4lo

01-05-2008, 09:21 AM

Nice build man. Your really doing a good thing for those kids - especially teaching them to do things right and not half-assed. When they are older they will tell stories about your influence.:)

BTW if they want to volunteer to work on my Jeep in their spare time...let me know!

MuddyPaws

01-05-2008, 03:14 PM

Not if you do it right... Just sayin', most people tend to do the cut and weld when they trim much more than what you did.

I looked at all of them I could find on the web and have seen over half a dozen or so in person and they all looked hack to me. Just my opinion. Always seems a beat over seam looks like a beat over seam.

Nice build man. Your really doing a good thing for those kids - especially teaching them to do things right and not half-assed. When they are older they will tell stories about your influence.:)

BTW if they want to volunteer to work on my Jeep in their spare time...let me know!

Thanks...and if you were up this way, we would take your project on also. I have 2 street car (ricer) projects going on and only one 4x4. We had another toyota 4x4 project going on but it got to stripping it to the frame and owner realized how much money metal costs and now he says he has to get some money. So I have a toy motor and trans and frame and 2 sets of axles laying in my shop.

MuddyPaws

01-05-2008, 11:29 PM

Ok, got more done.

Pulled all the crappy headliner material off the headliner.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/headliner/DSCF1594.JPG

Then is looked like this. I soaked it all down with fiberglass resin.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/headliner/DSCF1595.JPG

Tomorrow i'll glue the new headliner material onto it. I got actual headliner material from Jo-Ann Fabrics.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/headliner/DSCF1596.JPG

While that was drying and the paint for the roll cage was drying we started the sliders/steps.

The part that will be bolted to the pinch weld. 15 bolts will hold it on. Prolly overkill but whatever. LOL

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1597.JPG

2x2 3/16 box tube.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1598.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1599.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1600.JPG

Bent up the step part. This will also pull double duty to keep the body away from things. Tube is 1/4 wall.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1601.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1602.JPG

The roll cage toll be plated through the floor and then welded to the cross bars that hold the sliders on to tie it into the frame a bit. That's more the reason we went with so many bolts.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1603.JPG

MuddyPaws

01-05-2008, 11:30 PM

Not the bestest welder, but I am learning. I have a good teacher, he's 17 years old. hahahaha

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1606.JPG

This is the basic design. There will be one more leg in the rear for a total of 3.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF1607.JPG

jforse

01-06-2008, 01:16 PM

This project is great. I wish I had something like this available to me in High School. Lucky kids!

TLowery04

01-06-2008, 04:47 PM

WoW. Honestly. WoW.

I don't know where you are, but I would have my kids go to that school.

I unfortunately went to a school where the shop classes were all cut save for Wood Shop, CAD and Intro Tech, tried to buy the schools old engine hoists and shop equipment but they put it in storage in case Arizona ever deems it a viable expense...

everyone just seems to cut funding for "non-essential" learning... and i hate it...

good luck with this rig, your doing an awesome job, not only on the project but teaching these kids!

MuddyPaws

01-06-2008, 06:51 PM

Same crap is going on here in Michigan. Gov is cutting funding but requiring more. The new freshmen starting next year will have to have 4 years of math (one being algebra 2), 4 years of english, 3 years of science and 2 years of foreign language.:eek:

When are they going to have tome to take my class? I might not have a job. Foreign language? If I would have had to have 2 years of that, I would have dropped out. The drop out rate is going to climb like crazy here. Current freshman now have to take 1 year of foreign language and algebra 2 and they are having trouble getting some kids through that. Not ALL kids will EVER pass algebra 2.

Don't get me started. I have to go back to work in the morning and be happy after Christmas break.:laughing:

At least we start getting ready to go to Detroit to see the auto show.

mufflerbearing

01-20-2008, 04:43 PM

where are the updates..awesome build

MuddyPaws

01-20-2008, 06:50 PM

Just got home. Had a few kids working tonight. We are trying to get it done for a Career Expo they want to take it to.

Plasma'd out the panel for the RS9000 controls.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1695.JPG

What it looks like with the crap in it. It goes in the little storage tray area in the center console and will prolly be powdercoated black.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF1694.JPG

Front bumper tacked together. Got it finish welded also. Now have to smooth it all out and cut the hole for the fairlead. Then paint. :woot:

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/front-bumper/DSCF1696.JPG

I wasn't gonna post these but, here they are.

Flame me if you want, but I am going to be using this vehicle to wheel, AND for PR for my Auto Service Program for student recruitment, community education, funding, etc . Like it or not, bling sells to the non-tech people. So there has to be some bling. And anyway, those of you that know me, know I like a little bling.:p

This is going to be so kick ass when it's done.

Student designed combo stealth sub box and storage unit.

Laying the dadoes or however you spell it

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1634.JPG

Front view

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1635.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1636.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1637.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1638.JPG

This is a good view of what it will be. Bottom center is the sub, top center is small storage for tree saver and a set of gloves. The 2 side compartments will house things like rain gear, spare shoes, change of clothes, towels etc that are soft, needed on a trail ride but but you don't have to get at every time you stop.

picture looks funny, but that top board IS straight....not cock-eyed.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1639.JPG

MuddyPaws

01-20-2008, 06:50 PM

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1640.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1641.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF1642.JPG

There are plans for side pockets and some other stuff. It's no where near done yet. The angle of the box matches the angle of the rear seat and comes right up to the top of the seat.

Entire design was done by an 11th grader. He's not super mechanical but he really got into this part of the build. He did a cool drafting style drawing of it in...get this...publisher, and when it came time to build it, his measurements and angles were almost perfect and his sub enclosure volume was right in the middle of spec for the sub we are using. Wait till you see that baby. 24 pounds of pure thumpita thumpita.

Here is the Ultimate Air tank. We stripped the paint and re-did it with some bling.

This is a CO2 tank for doing all kinds of crap with. One of the handiest things I have in the Jeep. Fills tires, runs air tools, welding shielding gas, fills pool toys, blows dirt out of the holes that the bases go in for T-Ball....all kinds of uses.

http://www.ultimate-air.com/

Talk to Brian, he will hook you up. A Michigan guy building stuff in Michigan.:thumb: He even wheels....well...when he doesn't need a motor.:D

Stripped and sanded, then base coat, then clear coat. I have used the crap out of this thing. It was really banged up.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/air-tank/painted-ua.jpg

bmyohn

01-20-2008, 07:12 PM

looks so good....i wish my shop teacher was cool. we only get to work on little front wheel drive cars and a little british MGs. i tried to bring in my XJ in and he would barely even look at it. he kept asking if i was going to run over grandmas with it. i really wanted to park on the hood of his little Nissan. i wish we had a project like this.

im diggin the front bumper...how did you mount it? are u gonna make it so a winch will fit in there? what about a paint color?

MuddyPaws

01-20-2008, 07:20 PM

hahaha...we have a MG project going on too.

I don't have a side shot but a SuperWinch EP9.0 goes in there. Color of the bumpers and sliders and roof mount I think is going to be a sorta gray silver color .

Oh, and it's mounted on the driver's side with the 3 steering bolts, the 2 front bumper mount holes, and 2 more holes in the frame that were sleeved behind the steering box. On the pass side we just drilled everything to match the drivers side and sleeved al the holes.

So it's held on by 10 grade 8 7/16 bolts and 4 grade 8 1/2 bolts..

cherokeefreak92

01-22-2008, 10:33 AM

jeffs350jeep

01-22-2008, 10:03 PM

I like the color on that. Is there a sertain name for that or is it just a "red"

It looks like candy apple over a gray base coat.

MuddyPaws

01-27-2008, 09:16 PM

I like the color on that. Is there a sertain name for that or is it just a "red"

It's MetalCast paint. Got it at Advance but you can get it all over. It has a silver reflective base coat and then a clear candy color over that. You can get red, blue, yellow, green, purple.....maybe others. I have used it on several projects over the years.

MuddyPaws

01-27-2008, 09:18 PM

Finally started the final putting together of the box.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF0002.JPG

Got a pile of parts today but one of the amps is on back order. :mad3::mad3::mad3:

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF0004.JPG

Dis sucker is big. 24 pounds. :dance:

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF0005.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF0006.JPG

Box is just about done....reused the flames from the side of the YJ.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/speaker-box/DSCF0002%20(2).JPG

MuddyPaws

01-27-2008, 10:22 PM

Oh, and WOOT....10,000 views.

:D

zj_wheeler

01-28-2008, 10:02 AM

your one awesome teacher man.

My highschool tech class didn't have an auto program, and it blew man.

Thanks for sharing this build for us, its awesome.

ZacSquatch

01-29-2008, 10:04 AM

Damn thats cool... I used to bump my bluegrass all day long too.

the Merg

01-29-2008, 10:27 AM

Front bumper tacked together. Got it finish welded also. Now have to smooth it all out and cut the hole for the fairlead. Then paint. :woot:

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/front-bumper/DSCF1696.JPG

That's pretty much exactly how I've been planning on designing my front bumper. Could I trouble you for pictures from assorted angles?

Great build, keep up the good work with the build and with the kids.

MuddyPaws

02-02-2008, 10:27 PM

Yea, i'll get more pics of the bumper.

Here's some other stuff for now...

Bling front shocks getting set up, dash just about back together, door speakers in, AMP in.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0009.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0010.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0011.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0012.JPG

MuddyPaws

02-02-2008, 10:32 PM

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0001.JPG

Gravy

02-05-2008, 02:36 PM

looks good!

ThatKid

02-05-2008, 05:41 PM

Amazing build!

Is this in an academic high school, or a vocationally dealie-o?

jbjustin

02-06-2008, 08:56 AM

Wow. Definately aweesome build.

MuddyPaws

02-06-2008, 09:05 PM

Amazing build!

Is this in an academic high school, or a vocationally dealie-o?

This is one of the few Career Centers that is still run by the High School. We are actually attached to the High School but I get students from all over the county. Some of them spend almost an hour one way on the bus to get to me.

MuddyPaws

02-06-2008, 09:05 PM

Few more pics....

Got the shock controller mounted.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0008.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0009%20(2).JPG

The air pump is mounted under the back seat. Not wired in this pic.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0003.JPG

Added an extra power port in the center console.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0010%20(2).JPG

Made this little plate that mounts under the keyless remote thingy. The GPS and rear view camera will mount to it.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0011%20(2).JPG

The red wire you see hanging there used to be for power to the visor mirror lights. I don't have visors anymore so that power will be used for the GPS and rear view camera.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0012%20(2).JPG

MuddyPaws

02-06-2008, 09:17 PM

Oh, and thanks for all the great comments guys. I read them to my students. They get a kick out of the fact that there is some dude on the other side of the country looking at something they did and that guy thinks it's cool.:)

TJP

02-06-2008, 09:34 PM

urbanmuddboger

02-06-2008, 10:28 PM

[QUOTE=TJP;7846962]They should be proud of the hard work they have done and the quaility of it also.:D[/QUOTE

x2

sweet build just gave me some much needed inspration:D

MuddyPaws

02-12-2008, 09:10 PM

Ok, so I knew that the location of where I mounted the Garmin GPS-Map 478 was going to cause reception issues but I really like where it's mounted and it's a clean install. Mounted with the slick marine mount, makes is super rigid and is positioned for great visibility.

So the fix was simple, an external, amplified antenna. E-Bay, $25 shipped.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0035.JPG

The regular antenna pops off and exposes the BNC connector.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0036.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0037.JPG

A test drive in the Ram with the new antenna shows some fantastic reception. you couldn't ask for better. That is 11 Sat locks. I did see 12 at one time but I didn't have my camera to take the pic, so I came home and shot this pic in my driveway, in front of the garage, under a huge ass pine tree.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0033.JPG

pipehitter155

02-13-2008, 04:48 AM

very nice build up so far....

XJ4THEKICKIN

02-13-2008, 06:16 AM

Is it too late to add some TNT chasis stiffiners? (help a ton):

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/BigNutt/xjstiffiners.jpg

Yeah the rear "cut in fold" method looks awful, lol:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/BigNutt/XJ%204%20SALE/newxj6.jpg

ZacSquatch

02-13-2008, 11:20 AM

As do your Waves on that front fender... Why not follow the easy ass bent line...haha

BrassMunkey4

02-13-2008, 12:52 PM

Awesome! Now we know where you live! Project looks good, should be fun when its done

MuddyPaws

02-13-2008, 07:22 PM

Frame stiffeners are in the "maybe" plans. Have to see how flexy it really is with the cage tied into the body, the sliders, and the "frame"

chevy_man

02-15-2008, 12:25 PM

Looks like a lot of fun. Those are some lucky highschoolers! Most people have to go to college and pay lots of $$$ for that experience.

MuddyPaws

02-21-2008, 07:04 PM

Well ok, finally got to do a little.

Jeep will be painted (Durabak) Saturday or Sunday. http://www.michiganwheelers.com/forums/images/smilies/woot.gif

Mocking up the front bumper and winch. Got all the holes drilled and the slot for the fairlead cut, although that's not shown in these pics. Now just some sanding and paint.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/front-bumper/DSCF0041.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/front-bumper/DSCF0042.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/front-bumper/DSCF0043.JPG

Got all the final welding done on the sliders, sanded them up and painted them. They are ready to install. They will go on Monday. Roll cage ties into them through the floor plate.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF0045.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF0044.JPG

Roadhouse66

02-21-2008, 09:07 PM

You beat me to the edit Tim:D

MuddyPaws

02-21-2008, 09:30 PM

You beat me to the edit Tim:D

:flipoff2:

nanner nanner nanner

monsterburban

02-22-2008, 11:56 AM

MuddyPaws

02-22-2008, 05:48 PM

wow,
what your doing is soo awesome. Your students are doing amazing work. I hope they all realize how lucky they are to have an instructor like you. its great that you invest so much time and money into their education the world needs more teachers like you.KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK EVERYBODY!!! i have one question though. do the students get to take it out on the trails also?

Yes. We have the local mud runs they run it in, then they drive it in the parade, and then we take an annual weekend to the Silver Lake Sand Dunes when they run it, and when I do on trips to Canada or Drummond Island I usually take 1 or 2 with me to run it in what it's built for. Not all want to take it off road, but some do.

I have let kids take my Jeeps to the prom, homecomming, graduation and different dances.

I have to carry a special rider on my insurance for all this, and I have to have special safety equipment installed and available all the time.

I teach them how to properly manage a vehicle off road and safe recovery and all that. I have been doing this for 12 years and the worst injury I have had in my group is a sunburn and a 2 inch thorn stuck in a kid's hand when he leaned against one of those crazy trees at The Badlands.:eek:

stevej21

02-24-2008, 12:25 AM

This is freakin' awsome. I wish i had a teacher like you and not a world full of yuppies ready to sue(probably the worst spelling ever) whenever a kid got a thorn in his hand.

MuddyPaws

02-24-2008, 06:27 PM

This is freakin' awsome. I wish i had a teacher like you and not a world full of yuppies ready to sue(probably the worst spelling ever) whenever a kid got a thorn in his hand.

Awesome of you to say. I don't know if you have ever been to the Badlands park in Indianna, but they have these crazy trees that have huge spikes growing out of them...I never seen them before. We were down there competing in Four Wheeler's RTCC and I backed into a tree and it stabbed me in the back. Fawkin trees.

MuddyPaws

02-24-2008, 06:28 PM

Durabak Time

ok, finally got round to doing the paint. The plan was to go with a "Medium Texture" this time. The YJ was full on 5 coats of textured Durabak and, although it lasted fantastic. Held up to everything including a flop on Drummond Island, it was a bitch to clean. Once cleaned, it looked like brand new but still. I wanted something durable but smoother a bit.

So it got 2 coats of textured Durabak and then 4 coats of smooth, UV stable Durabak.

Here is the first coat.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/durabak/first-coat.jpg

I don't remember the stages of these 2 pics.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/durabak/DSCF0045%20(2).JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/durabak/DSCF0050.JPG

This is a close up of what it looks like right now.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/durabak/DSCF0049.JPG

I'll pull the tape later tonight.

MuddyPaws

02-24-2008, 08:40 PM

Tape removed

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/durabak/DSCF0041%20(3).JPG

Tape line

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/durabak/DSCF0043%20(3).JPG

terryd

02-25-2008, 03:47 AM

Very nice! :smokin:

RuffedUpXJ

02-25-2008, 07:27 AM

Nice work. Its an awesome thing you are doing with these kids. To some of them you seem more like a father than they have ever had. So keep on the great work you are doing. If there is a way to help you or your school out get back to us and I know many of us are willing to promote your great cause.

cherokeekid88

02-25-2008, 05:29 PM

MuddyPaws

02-25-2008, 06:39 PM

Awesome job man, i look forward to reading this thread as it progresses. Question..what did you use to paint the shocks with? GF wants hers painted pink on her XJ and thought it would be a cool birthday present

Yer messing with me right?:laughing: I know it's bling, but I still like a small degree of bling.:flipoff2:

It's MetalCast spray paint. It's a 2 step paint. First layer is a reflective silver color and the second layer is a tinted clear coat. It comes in different colors but I have never seen pink however they have a purple that is close.:laughing:

The paint is made by duplicolor and is heat resistant. I ran it on the shocks on the YJ for many years...only in blue. I also did many of the motor parts with it. Pics below.

http://www.duplicolor.com/gallery/gallery_images/cans_metalcast.jpg
http://www.duplicolor.com/gallery/gallery_images/metalcast_valvecovers.jpg

http://www.timstrader.com/web/jeep/yj-shock.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/jeep/383.JPG
http://www.timstrader.com/web/jeep/383-installed.JPG

MonsterRunner85

02-25-2008, 07:04 PM

How much of the durbak did you need to paint that much of the Cherokee? Curious how far this stuff goes, I am interested in doing mine. Thanks ahead of time.

JB

cherokeekid88

02-25-2008, 07:08 PM

LOL, nah im not messing with you. I like it man, its better than seeing black, white or silver. I actually took an old shock i had lying around and scuffed it up and tried painting it and it came out pretty good, gonna throw some clear on it tomorrow and see how it holds up. Im digging those grooved X terrains!

TJP

02-25-2008, 07:59 PM

The Durabak looks good. Some black paint on the hood, header panel and cowl might look good with it.

The one grooved X-terrain on the RF looks good. Too bad they won't fit in my budget...

MuddyPaws

02-25-2008, 08:17 PM

How much of the durbak did you need to paint that much of the Cherokee? Curious how far this stuff goes, I am interested in doing mine. Thanks ahead of time.

JB

I used about 2/3 gallon of texture and about 3/4 gallon of smooth. 2 coats texture, 4 coats smooth.

The Durabak looks good. Some black paint on the hood, header panel and cowl might look good with it.

The one grooved X-terrain on the RF looks good. Too bad they won't fit in my budget...

I have the hood vents that are black also, but yea, gotta balance it out a bit. Wait till you see it with the silver stuff on it. Kinda sets alot of it off.

I got those X's for under 600 delivered for 5 of them from SportsTrailerz or something off ebay. The one not grooved is the spare, not gonna grove that one. The others are grooved....or mostly done. Busted the groover blade again yesterday and seem to have misplaced the new blades.

xtrm4x4wanab

02-25-2008, 08:27 PM

Looks like a lot of fun. Those are some lucky highschoolers! Most people have to go to college and pay lots of $$$ for that experience.

i think my total tuition to Nashville Auto-Diesel College with the High Performance Fabrication program was around $47k. and then i had to supply the Jeep and fund it all myself...

78/88XJ

02-26-2008, 03:48 PM

MuddyPaws

02-26-2008, 06:59 PM

WOW thats great for the kids my son would dig a class like that. We love the build and he just asked me why you dont put durbak in the wheel well ? Sounds like a good idea to me but i just dont know that much about that. Would somekind of coating be good or bad ?

Well....in the wheel well it could be put in there but I ended up spraying it with ruberized undercoating. I like that stuff on the frame rails and wheel wells and stuff because in about 10 minutes you can re-spray that stuff in there and it looks like new...fresh and clean....no scrubbing. Maybe I should have done it....too late now though.:p

Got the sliders installed.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF0041%20(4).JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF0042%20(4).JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/sliders/DSCF0044%20(3).JPG

Preppi12

02-26-2008, 07:21 PM

I haven't ever heard of Durabak before but it looks good. Herculiner and the like is what I'm familiar with. Your tape line is super smooth/clean. Any special type of tape needed for it. I've heard of just using the blue painters tape...wait until it gets tacky then pull it. Is that what you did?

Keep on working with the kids. I wish others would do the same. Like others said...I wish I had opportunities like your giving these kids when I was younger.

Yota Tony

02-26-2008, 07:43 PM

Looks like he used painters tape (green, blue, same shit).

MuddyPaws

02-26-2008, 08:05 PM

cherokeekid88

02-26-2008, 08:15 PM

So how much more you got to do untill we will get to see some action shots?

TJP

02-26-2008, 08:25 PM

It's the good tape that bodyshops use. It's quite a bit tougher than normal painters tape you get from Wal-Mart. This was bought at NAPA. Costs a little more but well worth it. That tape was on there for a couple months and came off clean.

Blue is for when it doesn't really matter.

If it matters I only buy the 3D green auto's painters tape, it's worth every penny.

Kinda like black tape, I will only buy 3M Super 33+. I haven't found any tape even close to it's quality. It works good below -0 degrees and doesn't unwrap as the years past.

MuddyPaws

02-26-2008, 09:38 PM

So how much more you got to do untill we will get to see some action shots?

Getting close. Prolly 2 more weeks. Have to finish the front bumper, wire the winch, and then do a bit of wiring for interior cargo and work lights and exterior lights.

Then off the exhaust shop. That might be the sticking point since I am out of money because the wife blew up her transmission in her van and I had to put a new one in. I had to sacrifice the Jeep money to put the wife back on the road. I'm about 500 bucks short of finishing it right now.

ZJ Pappy

02-27-2008, 04:11 PM

This thing looks great! Good to see kids that age that are passionate about something. Keep up the good work, can't wait to see it on the trail.

MuddyPaws

02-27-2008, 08:20 PM

Yea, there have been several nights that students have come in after school or at night to finish something they started. Several ask me all the time if they can come in after work and do something on the Jeep.

They just want to drive it. LOL

Finished up the front wheel wells...just some edge molding. It was put on then the Durabak was still tacky and the molding itself had glue in it. So it should stay.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/durabak/DSCF00415.JPG

Front bumper primed.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/front-bumper/DSCF0045.JPG

TJP

02-28-2008, 05:20 PM

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/durabak/DSCF00415.JPG

The front shocks appear to be too long. The bumpstops either need to be longer if the tires rub when flexed.

If the bumpstops are long enough to keep the tires off the fenders the lower shock mounts need to be made lower.

Just cut the back of the coil spring mount off just behind the spring and put the shock mount on the LCA mount then add some reinforcements to beef up the LCA mount. For more strength and to protect your LCA's add a skid to the underside of the LCA mount too, if you haven't already.

BTW, did you weld the inside of the LCA mounts to the axle?

Here's a good example for the shock mount. All it lacks is a LCA skids and some final welds.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture719.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture718.jpg

Your XJ is looking good. Everyone involved should be very proud.

MuddyPaws

02-29-2008, 11:17 PM

That's a damn good idea. The upper mount is moved outboard but I think I'll put it back and move the bottom like that if it turns out I need to. These shocks are off the YJ and I really want to re-use them.

And yea, the mounts are welded on the inside and there are skid plates on them.

Never seen pics of the mounts moved like that. Very cool.

MuddyPaws

03-01-2008, 09:58 AM

Just measured the front. I have 5.5 inches to the bumps stop and 6.5 inches to the shock limit.

FatBob309

03-01-2008, 10:43 AM

This is a great build! Those kids are awsome.

TJP

03-01-2008, 02:27 PM

Just measured the front. I have 5.5 inches to the bumps stop and 6.5 inches to the shock limit.

Is that to the bumpstops or to the bumpstop mounting cups?

Maybe its my eyes,but it looks like your shocks would bottom out first.:confused:

If you change your upper mount keep it about 1"-1.5" outboard from the stock factory mounting hole.

I had some problems with shock to frame clearance when flexed. The outboard mounting corrected this issue.

Here are a couple of upper mounts I like

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture224.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture092.jpg

Here is an extra frame reinforcement I thought was sweet

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture177.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture180.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture183.jpg

MuddyPaws

03-01-2008, 06:47 PM

TJP

03-01-2008, 07:44 PM

That measurement is to the bumpstop, so I would assume they will compress a bit and may cause problems in the right conditions. Almost all my wheeling is done a very low speeds.

I think it's an optical illusion the way it looks to you. The top of the shock is outboarded so it sorta looks shorter in the pic.

I still think I will move the mounts down though.

When I set up shock I leave 1/2" of travel when it is bottomed out metal to metal. That way I never need to worry about trashing the shocks or be afraid to push it hard.

Better safe then sorry, This time I'm also going to run limiting straps to prevent shock damage at full droop also. This is because I'm going with some Bilstein 7100's or 9100's shocks and they cost too much to trash.

rallyemore

03-01-2008, 08:09 PM

Wow, very nice. I don't know why I never saw this over on GL.

One thing about this thread that makes me sad though.... it looks better than mine after 4 years and probably he same ammount of cash... :(

They should be proud. I may have to stop by your side of the state sometime to see it.

MuddyPaws

03-01-2008, 09:30 PM

When I set up shock I leave 1/2" of travel when it is bottomed out metal to metal. That way I never need to worry about trashing the shocks or be afraid to push it hard.

Better safe then sorry, This time I'm also going to run limiting straps to prevent shock damage at full droop also. This is because I'm going with some Bilstein 7100's or 9100's shocks and they cost too much to trash.

I have the Rancho RS9000's and they ain't cheap either...not uber bad but still. I plan on running limit straps, I just have to get it flexed up again to measure. No tires on it right now (powdercoating the rims) and the steering isn't hooked up (finishing the front bumper.

Great info though. Thanks for the tip.

TJP

03-01-2008, 09:54 PM

I have the Rancho RS9000's and they ain't cheap either...not uber bad but still. I plan on running limit straps, I just have to get it flexed up again to measure. No tires on it right now (powdercoating the rims) and the steering isn't hooked up (finishing the front bumper.

Great info though. Thanks for the tip.

I'm running RS9009's on the front of mine right now. I've got a buyer for mine when I upgrade. I have been happy with there performance, but I know a good bypass shock with a remote reservoir should be way better.

BTW. The hole in the frame to gain access to the UCA bolt can be pluged with a plug from any Mopar FWD car/van made in the late '80's-mid '90's belt splash shields. The plug is used so you can get a extention and socket on the crank to turn it without removing the shield. They are easy to find and do a great job of keeping the frame clean. A quick trip to the JY should get you a few.

Gotlift01

03-03-2008, 08:54 AM

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture092.jpg

I've never seen the air bumps mounted like that before.......that's a hella sweet idea! Shit that solves a HUGE question I had on how to mount them on the front of mine!:laughing:

Muddypaws.....jeep is looking AWESOME! I bet everyone is chomping at the bit to take it for a spin. Great work!

MuddyPaws

03-03-2008, 07:13 PM

Muddypaws.....jeep is looking AWESOME! I bet everyone is chomping at the bit to take it for a spin. Great work!

Thanks...yea, they have their names in a coffee tin waiting for me to draw one to see who gets to drive it over the huge ass snow pile out back first.:)

Front bumper got done. It has lips. LOL

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/front-bumper/DSCF00522.JPG

TJP

03-03-2008, 08:16 PM

The bumper looks great.

I also like the hood vents angled like that.

We want some action shots of the first student too.

Keep up the good work.

MuddyPaws

03-03-2008, 10:01 PM

I can't wait to get action shots.

F-in exhaust is gonna hold me up though. no money left. Gonna have to find something in my garage to sell. I think I have a snap-on scanner and some other crap I can sell on ebay.

MuddyPaws

03-05-2008, 08:36 PM

Tonight's Flex test.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test-2/DSCF0011.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test-2/DSCF0012.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test-2/DSCF0013.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test-2/DSCF0014.JPG

MuddyPaws

03-05-2008, 08:37 PM

In the front, the bump stop crushed and stops travel about a inch and a half before the end of the shock.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test-2/DSCF0010.JPG

TJP

03-05-2008, 08:58 PM

Looks good.

How much suspension travel is that in the front?

MuddyPaws

03-05-2008, 09:03 PM

Looks good.

How much suspension travel is that in the front?

I don't know...I forgot to measure and I was tired and pissed that I forgot to put the SD card in the camera so it ran out of memory.

I also forgot to post the flat pics. You can see the static height here.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF00033.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF00099.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/DSCF0004.JPG

TJP

03-05-2008, 09:10 PM

I don't know...I forgot to measure and I was tired and pissed that I forgot to put the SD card in the camera so it ran out of memory.

I also forgot to post the flat pics. You can see the static height here.

I would guess about 11" or so.

The ride height looks great. It will level out once its broken in and loaded.

Everyone involved should be proud.

T151Rex

03-05-2008, 09:28 PM

looks good, wish my high school had a shop like that.

MuddyPaws

03-05-2008, 09:34 PM

I would guess about 11" or so.

The ride height looks great. It will level out once its broken in and loaded.

Everyone involved should be proud.

You talking from all the way up to all the way down?

If you are, I'm thinking that from here:

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test-2/DSCF0012.JPG

To here:

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/flex-test-2/DSCF0014.JPG

Is more than 11 inches.

But you could be talking about something different.

jeepindrummondisland

03-05-2008, 10:38 PM

awesome work. looks very nice

terryd

03-06-2008, 02:53 AM

That thing is sweet. Can't wait to see some payoff pictures!

lets blaze

03-06-2008, 03:20 AM

That looks sweet MP. You have some lucky as hell students.

cherokeekid88

03-06-2008, 08:46 PM

MuddyPaws

03-07-2008, 09:11 PM

Hell yeah, you have some lucky students. I love what you have done with it. Im glad to see something other than black rims and i love the Durabak paint job. What type of hood vents are those? and why crooked? If you can i would like to see a video of it being driven after you all get everything button up.

Well...like I said before the students made most of the choices...many based off the past years and us wheelin the old rig but they liked the vents better in the v-pattern...I sorta wanted them straight, but I was outvoted.:D

They are Grand Prix vents off ebay.

TJP

03-09-2008, 12:15 PM

Well...like I said before the students made most of the choices...many based off the past years and us wheelin the old rig but they liked the vents better in the v-pattern...I sorta wanted them straight, but I was outvoted.:D

They are Grand Prix vents off ebay.

I like the way they look. They made a good choice.

MuddyPaws

03-13-2008, 05:51 PM

Not a whole lot to show....we had to move the front axle forward for the wheels to clear the sliders when the wheels were turned. Had to them mod the sway bar to keep it from hitting the coil springs. Cleaning up trans lines, winch power cables, misc hoses and stuff.

Ordered 36 inch limit straps today.

Finished the tire carrier.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/tire-carrier/DSCF0117.JPG

Not sure if you can see it well but this is how the tire is secured in the center. The big thing spins on and is recessed into the center of the tire to keep it from moving and there are drain holes drilled in it so it doesn't collect water There is also a rubber gasket between the rim and the hold down. Powdercoated gloss black.

Yea, MP is cut into it as well.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/tire-carrier/DSCF0119.JPG

cherokeekid88

03-13-2008, 06:13 PM

Awesome job man! one of the best looking XJ's. I also like the fact that its not cut to hell, although that thing would look pretty sick with an exo and some full widths underneath. Is this thing strictly trail?

MuddyPaws

03-13-2008, 06:16 PM

Street/trail.....the occasional parade. LOL

By the time it is all over, it will have full widths and be mashed all to hell, but it has to look good at first. hahaha

MuddyPaws

03-16-2008, 02:20 PM

Getting real close now. Ran all the breather lines, secured all the wires under it, finished up the exhaust, put the interior back together for the...I dunno, maybe 10th time after running the CB cable.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/exhaust1.JPG

Ran the tailpipe between the shackle and the hitch...no worries about crushing it there.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/exhaust2.JPG

Ok, more bling...LOL Had to powdercoat it.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/shackle.JPG

Ran into an issue with rear shackle clearance with the body. Ordered a set of boomerang shackles.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/sh-1.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/sh-2.JPG

At rest you can just fit one finger in there. Tight is good on some things....not this.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/sh-3.JPG

MuddyPaws

03-16-2008, 02:26 PM

Finishing up the exterior. Rubbed it all out...still needs the finishing wax job. Started with the stickers. Each one gives ya 5 hp ya know. LOL Have to give props to those that made this project possible.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/completed-exterior/DSCF0128.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/completed-exterior/DSCF0129.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/completed-exterior/DSCF0131.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/completed-exterior/DSCF0132.JPG

My super co-pilot tuning in the CB.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/completed-exterior/DSCF0134.JPG

MuddyPaws

03-16-2008, 02:29 PM

Yota Tony

03-16-2008, 05:11 PM

Sweet man!!

xjjeepthing

03-16-2008, 05:47 PM

Completely bad ass

RuffedUpXJ

03-16-2008, 05:51 PM

Looking great , I didn't know you were in the S St. Marie. I drive thorugh there every year on my way to Manitoulin Island.

MuddyPaws

03-16-2008, 09:26 PM

Looking great , I didn't know you were in the S St. Marie. I drive thorugh there every year on my way to Manitoulin Island.

Look me up next time and i'll fire up the BBQ.:smokin:

XZettle

03-17-2008, 12:37 AM

This is seriously a great build....

ryan_m

03-17-2008, 05:43 PM

Wow that is awesome, I wish I would have went to a school like that!

MuddyPaws

03-17-2008, 06:51 PM

It's been a ton of fun. I spent a crap ton more money than I originally planned on though. Ended up having to sell the 383 stroker out of the YJ and the Howell fuel injection along with lots more crap I sorta kinda wanted to pack rat away for another project. Had to sell the dune buggy too. Oh well, this has been a great project.

I have a fantastic group of kids this year and can't praise them enough.

Start to finish over less than one school year. No one getting burned out...except me...and the kids have stayed interested because it really never stalled. Several have already expressed the desire to take it to prom.:)

feva4u

03-18-2008, 07:43 AM

Excellent Build, good to see some of my tax money going to a good cause :smokin:

Grayguy

03-18-2008, 08:25 AM

Awesome build! I was just wondering if you thinned out the durabak when you sprayed it, or did you spray it as it came. How much did you end up using? I'm thinkin of doing the same to my 4runner.

BADAZZCHEROKEE3

03-18-2008, 09:29 AM

What springs are you running I have ran into a huge shackle angle issue you dont seem to have a bad shackle angle

natureboynate47

03-18-2008, 04:50 PM

What springs are you running I have ran into a huge shackle angle issue you dont seem to have a bad shackle angle

he probly used the 5" bds springs that came with the kit
http://www.bds-suspension.com/kits/455H

MuddyPaws

03-18-2008, 09:52 PM

Excellent Build, good to see some of my tax money going to a good cause :smokin:

you must have missed the part where it said no school money spent on this. All of this has come out of my pocket and from when I sold everything off the YJ I wasn't re-using.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/temp/yj-almost-gone.jpg

Awesome build! I was just wondering if you thinned out the durabak when you sprayed it, or did you spray it as it came. How much did you end up using? I'm thinkin of doing the same to my 4runner.

I rolled it on as it came. Used about 2/3 of a gallon of texture and 3/4 gallon of smooth.

What springs are you running I have ran into a huge shackle angle issue you dont seem to have a bad shackle angle

Shackle angle isn't really bad but the springs are long. This is the BDS 8.5 inch kit. When flexed the shackle hits the body fast. I just got new boomerang shackles from Kevin at Jeeperz Creeperz today in the mail. That should fix this issue. I think BDS is looking into doing the kit with boomerangs now.

MuddyPaws

03-29-2008, 09:48 AM

Last part......I think.:p

Well, I still have to fab bump stop mounts for the rear.

36 inch long limit straps for the front from PolyPerformance.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/limit-straps.jpg

TJP

03-29-2008, 02:57 PM

Took it for the first ride. Lots of strange noises though. Pops, thumps, clicks, some kind of gear noise...maybe t-case, dunno. Lots of kinks to work out.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/completed-exterior/snow.JPG

Looks great.:smokin:

Their are always small issues when there are many different people working on it.

I have issues sometimes and I'm the only one doing the work... I hate when I get interrupted..:shaking:

So did you take it to the top of that snow pile?

Thats one of the only good things about snow, crawling big snow piles and driving like a drift car.:D We had a great winter in WI this year for once.

MuddyPaws

03-29-2008, 07:34 PM

I didn't go all the way up, I was taking it easy on it just to see if it was going to stay together.

Off for an alignment on Monday.

Finished rear bumps tonight. Might have to call this one done....for now.:p

Shakedown next week...as soon as snowmobile season is over. Thank God for that. First big wheelin trip is May 2 when we shoot video for BDS.

MuddyPaws

03-30-2008, 04:51 PM

Some have asked about the limit strap mounts. Here they are.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/limit-upper.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/limit-lower.JPG

dstedmanXJ

04-01-2008, 05:46 PM

looks great man, may want to hit your rock rails again, looks like a little rust juice there

MuddyPaws

04-03-2008, 08:52 AM

looks great man, may want to hit your rock rails again, looks like a little rust juice there

Mother f-in paint did not hold. I'll be pulling them off this week and blasting them and then doing Durabak on them or something.

Xhavier_5478

04-15-2008, 12:01 AM

Gotta love all the salt they use in the Sault.

CJumper

04-20-2008, 05:33 AM

Love the build, but even more I love what you are investing with those students. You can say money well spent and it will return to you multiplied. Glad you did an XJ for us to see instead of another YJ build :D:laughing::D:laughing::D:laughing:

Can't wait to see some action shots and I'm sure those students can't wait to get some action shots.

jeeperanthony

04-20-2008, 06:59 AM

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/xj/misc/exhaust1.JPG

Love the build, but what's that steel going from the cross-member to the "frame"?

MuddyPaws

04-20-2008, 09:29 PM

That is a re-inforcing bracket. There are sleeves welded into the frame and stuff. The crossmember is bolted up into the frame, and then the bracket wraps around and bolts sideways though the frame. Then there is a long plate welded to the inside of the frame.

MuddyPaws

04-20-2008, 09:33 PM

Oh, and action shots will be coming soon. May 2 is the first run of the season. It has been out once for a shakedown int he snow and everything worked. I have put about 300 miles on it now and all seems good. Having a bit of a overheating issue when running 70mph. Gotta track that down.

silversuper

04-20-2008, 10:58 PM

just read the whole thread. im so jealous of your program!

keep seeing it through, and keep us all updated

albeezzy

04-21-2008, 12:10 AM

what axels do you have under there???

hman333

04-21-2008, 05:44 AM

read the thread man

MuddyPaws

04-21-2008, 07:30 PM

8.8 rear, HP d30 with alloys front. Both locked.

terryd

04-22-2008, 04:00 AM

Hey Muddy, when are we gonna get some pics of this thing eatin up some rocks? :smokin:

MuddyPaws

04-22-2008, 12:16 PM

May 2 is the first run of the year out to drummond island. Rocks galore out there. I can't wait.

We were going to go do some more shakedown wheelin last weekend out to our favorite rock spot around here...about 20 miles away, but the report from there said there was still about 3 feet of snow in the woods and the trails were a mess. We called it off.

BigWesWV

04-23-2008, 02:13 PM

Great work, looks awsome!

RuffedUpXJ

04-23-2008, 07:28 PM

Where is Drummond Island? and is it a public place to wheel

MuddyPaws

04-24-2008, 07:19 PM

Drummond Island is off the Eastern end of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

There are miles of trails on public land and there is an off road park called Turtle Ridge there also. 20 bucks gets you into the park.

TJP

07-29-2008, 07:09 PM

:flipoff2:

MuddyPaws

11-22-2008, 08:03 PM

New updates.....

Time for bead locks.......

I don't know if i'll ever actually get to use them because I might have to sell, but here is the build so far on them.

First, started with these rims...

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/locks/1.JPG

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/locks/2.JPG

Had to move the valve stem to make it easier to fill the tire. Welded the old one closed, drilled a new hole.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/locks/3.JPG

Then some sand blasting.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/locks/4.JPG

Then some grinding. Rims were pitted far worse than they looked at first.

After the design was drawn on CAD then it was off to the CNC Plasma Cam.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/locks/6.JPG

Cut the drops first. I will powdercoat them and sell them to offset the cost of the metal for the bead locks. The "S" is for Sault Sainte Marie....or whatever. The paw prints got cut wrong. I wanted the prints larger. I'll have to see if I can use them.

But here are the inners and outers cut, and some of the drops.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/locks/7.JPG

Here is the inner ring fitted.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/locks/8.JPG

Still have to do the welding, bolt hole cleaning, sanding, powder coat....etc.

Well, got one of the rings ready for welding this afternoon. I should have the rest done this weekend. The plasma doesn't cut like a laser so there is a little bit of sanding and stuff to make them perfect. Then a trip to the blaster and they are all set.

http://www.timstrader.com/web/builds/locks/9.JPG