I've been searching for a computer program to help design my next suspension (triangulated 4 link rear & 5 link front) I've seen plenty of software for indipendant suspension but not for solid axles.Is there anything out there thats not going to eat into my building budget too much?

There are plenty here...Buy a red star and SEARCH :flipoff2:

do a yahoo search for "4 link calculator". There are plenty of free downloadable versions and a few you can use online. FYI it really helps if you have CAD and some knowledge of how it works. My limited CAD knowledge has helped me a shitload in my design.

Oh and ask a lot of questions! It's hard here because of the lack of experience in the newbie area.. and the flaming in this area. Find a good off-road based site with less traffic to do some research.

ask a lot of questions! It's hard here because of the lack of experience in the newbie area.. and the flaming in this area. Find a good off-road based site with less traffic to do some research.

so you think going to a forum that gets less traffic and maybe has one or two people that have done their own links would be better then a board that has hand over hand of people that have done and are doing their own links.ya that sounds like good advise.the people here will only flame you if you don't do the research before asking a stupid question that has been answer 4 hundred times before.

do a search for 4 link here and watch how many threads will appear.all the info you would ever need is on this board.go to anyone of your other forums and do the same search you will be lucky to get one or two threads and they will have no useful info.

just like this question .to come here and ask if anybody knows of a program is down right retarded.the person that wrote the spread sheet for the 4 link calculator is here and has made several versions of it.

doing a search for "4 link calculator" nets a 11 pages of good info .

doing a search for "4 Link" nets 49 pages.

will all the threads brought up have helpful info ?no most likely not.you will have to wade through it to find what you need but its there.don't be a lazy shit and you won't get flamed.the people here are very informed and know their shit and are more then willing to help you figure it all out.

so you think going to a forum that gets less traffic and maybe has one or two people that have done their own links would be better then a board that has hand over hand of people that have done and are doing their own links.ya that sounds like good advise.the people here will only flame you if you don't do the research before asking a stupid question that has been answer 4 hundred times before.

do a search for 4 link here and watch how many threads will appear.all the info you would ever need is on this board.go to anyone of your other forums and do the same search you will be lucky to get one or two threads and they will have no useful info.

just like this question .to come here and ask if anybody knows of a program is down right retarded.the person that wrote the spread sheet for the 4 link calculator is here and has made several versions of it.

doing a search for "4 link calculator" nets a 11 pages of good info .

doing a search for "4 Link" nets 49 pages.

will all the threads brought up have helpful info ?no most likely not.you will have to wade through it to find what you need but its there.don't be a lazy shit and you won't get flamed.the people here are very informed and know their shit and are more then willing to help you figure it all out.


this place makes the average weekend wheeler feel stupid. And it's not due to the regular pirate4x4 users... its from dudes like you with 49 posts under your belt. My sugestions wasn't that Pirate has bad info.. or lack of info. Sometimes you need a place where you can ask "dumb" questions and not get flamed. Thats how we all learn.

Sometimes you need a place where you can ask "dumb" questions and not get flamed. Thats how we all learn.

That would be the newbie forum...:laughing: What he was saying is that there is no need to ask another dumb question. Answers to his question can be found by searching. And this forum has more answers then any other that I know of....

There are plenty here...Buy a red star and SEARCH :flipoff2:

so you think going to a forum that gets less traffic and maybe has one or two people that have done their own links would be better then a board that has hand over hand of people that have done and are doing their own links.ya that sounds like good advise.the people here will only flame you if you don't do the research before asking a stupid question that has been answer 4 hundred times before.

do a search for 4 link here and watch how many threads will appear.all the info you would ever need is on this board.go to anyone of your other forums and do the same search you will be lucky to get one or two threads and they will have no useful info.

just like this question .to come here and ask if anybody knows of a program is down right retarded.the person that wrote the spread sheet for the 4 link calculator is here and has made several versions of it.

doing a search for "4 link calculator" nets a 11 pages of good info .

doing a search for "4 Link" nets 49 pages.

will all the threads brought up have helpful info ?no most likely not.you will have to wade through it to find what you need but its there.don't be a lazy shit and you won't get flamed.the people here are very informed and know their shit and are more then willing to help you figure it all out.

That would be the newbie forum...:laughing: What he was saying is that there is no need to ask another dumb question. Answers to his question can be found by searching. And this forum has more answers then any other that I know of....

Ok Fellas I had spent a couple of evenings searching on here and on some Aussie forums before I asked this question but the problem with searching is it will only find what you ask for (I didn't use 4 link) while I did find heaps of interesting stuff I didn't find a design program. Thanks to those who pointed me in the right direction

I've been searching for a computer program to help design my next suspension (triangulated 4 link rear & 5 link front)

Ok Fellas I had spent a couple of evenings searching on here and on some Aussie forums before I asked this question but the problem with searching is it will only find what you ask for (I didn't use 4 link)


Let's see if I have this straight.

When you did your searches about software for 4-link calculations, you didn't use the words 4-link, but when you came on and asked, it was in your first sentence.

What you need to do is maybe practice your search techniques.

Oh, by the way, that is a flame.

What I was after was a program I could enter in the particulars for both the 4 link rear & 5 link front to see how it all works togeather .

some of you fellas need to lighten up a bit

What I was after was a program I could enter in the particulars for both the 4 link rear & 5 link front to see how it all works togeather .



And yet you omitted the words 4-link in your search. Wonder why nothing came up.


FWIW, I don't think you are going to find something that meets those particulars. if you do, be sure to share it with the rest of us.

Doug

this place makes the average weekend wheeler feel stupid. And it's not due to the regular pirate4x4 users... its from dudes like you with 49 posts under your belt. My sugestions wasn't that Pirate has bad info.. or lack of info. Sometimes you need a place where you can ask "dumb" questions and not get flamed. Thats how we all learn.

And what does my post count have to do with anything?What because I have 49 post I don't know what I'm talking about?Get real and get a clue.

this place makes the average weekend wheeler feel stupid. And it's not due to the regular pirate4x4 users... its from dudes like you with 49 posts under your belt. My sugestions wasn't that Pirate has bad info.. or lack of info. Sometimes you need a place where you can ask "dumb" questions and not get flamed. Thats how we all learn.

Thats why there is a non-hardcore and newbie sections.

This isn't a board designed for you're dumbass weekend wheeler.

Perhaps you should badass 67 post self over to NAXJA.

Or jump into a woodchipper. Head first.

Thats why there is a non-hardcore and newbie sections.

This isn't a board designed for you're dumbass weekend wheeler.

Perhaps you should badass 67 post self over to NAXJA.

Or jump into a woodchipper. Head first.

BFH, I looked at all your posts here... not a single one of them is helping anyone. Never once any kind of tech or anything usefull. Every single post you've made here on pirate has been a smart ass comment :shaking:

Wow, run out of porn to look at?

What I was after was a program I could enter in the particulars for both the 4 link rear & 5 link front to see how it all works togeather .

some of you fellas need to lighten up a bit

Yeah I've never seen anything like that. You almost need some 3D modeling software.

3D modeling will help you in your design of the actual suspension to check collisions, articulation, driveline angles etc etc. FYI the program that I'd have to buy to couple with my work modeling program is I think $20K a year, and I don't think that would be worthwhile, due to all the factors besides suspension that decide a rigs performance. Your looking for a round all program that you load everything into and schwabam "here's your answer!"

I've seen the game Mouse Trap done on a 3D modeling system, where basically the program computes masses, inertia, friction blah blah blah. I would "assume" this would be the program I would use if attempting a feat like the "awesomest" suspension design. But in all seriousness your analysis would be biased, based on "you get out, what you put in." And there is no way in hell, that your going to simulate every situation you'll see on the trail, slipping and sliding on rocks, off camber situations etc. I'm sure this program would help in suspension design, but you'll prolly be 80 by the time it gets done running and calculating every scenario. :D

Key points

1. Every rig and its intentions are different, therefore any calculators out there are going to give out the properties that will be present from your design parameters.

2. As suspension moves properties change as geometries change ie. compression/static/droop are 3 popular positions to check anti-squat, ds angles etc etc)

3. Search for discussions on this topic, thats what I did starting out! You need to understand what those numbers are that program "spits" out to attempt to estimate your vehicles reaction/performance. You will find people on opposite ends of the spectrum for both front and rear suspesnion designs. And funny enough both groups seem happy with what their rigs are capable of, but as usual you can usually find the most "popular" numbers to shoot for. Where and what type of wheeling you do is very important.

Different wheelbase's, COG's, suspension types, vehicle mass etc all play a part in deciding what type of suspension and what numbers to shoot for.

4. NOBODY ON THIS SITE WILL AGREE WITH EVERYBODY AS FAR AS WHAT WILL WORK BEST FOR YOUR RIG! :flipoff2:

Triaged has the latest version of his 4 link calculator in his signature.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204893

If you know your way around Excel...

BFH, I looked at all your posts here... not a single one of them is helping anyone. Never once any kind of tech or anything usefull. Every single post you've made here on pirate has been a smart ass comment :shaking:

Wow, run out of porn to look at?

I don't really know what to say. I'm kind of honored that you took the time to look through my posts, but kind of disappointed that you didn't notice the trend earlier. You must not be too bright.

I'm not going to take the time to look through you're posts, just to set up an effective argument. I could, but I don't think you're worth the effort it would take for me to click my mouse that many times. I'll just end this post with another smartass comment.

Look down. See that little green button on you're computer that says "power"? Press it.

Good lord there is some sandy vag in this thread :shaking:

To help you out:

Use traiged's 4-link calculator for you suspension design...you must realize that somethings are assumed and you may not get it right the first time, BUT if you build in some adjust ability (frame side upper link height) it will get you in the ball park and it will aid you in dialing it it.

I have built a few very successful 4-links both front a rear, for my-self and for others... all have worked quite well...

In my sig is a link to my latest build, it will help you get the just of doing 4-links.

As for the 5-link front, I think this is not such a good idea, that is unless the soul purpose of the Jeep is going to be go-fast in the sand, or all on road... You just cant get the flex with a 5 link due to binding. I would suggest either going to a triangulated 4-link, like I did, or do a 3 link and track bar...using a single beefy upper. A lot of my friends have gone this route with great success...


Feel free to PM me with any specifics you may have as to deign parameters, I will try my best to steer you in the right direction.

Good lord there is some sandy vag in this thread :shaking:



Nice one.


Pretty much what he said Kram, with the addition that if you are going to get into doing your own design, buying a star here for the ease of searches is worth the 20$.

And yeah, for future reference any generic stuff like this belongs in newbie, or general 4x4 section, but its not the end of the world like the "Post Paddin Pirate Police" would make it out to be :flipoff2::flipoff2:

Good luck. I recommend you look into the 3 link panhard front if you are going to run mechanical steering.

Good luck.