I want to build a external roll cage for my xj .Would like some pic's to give me some good ideas before starting construction, oh yes smart ass coments welcome lol.

http://www.patagonia4x4.com.ar/Album/Dan/new2.jpg
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/EXO/exo03s.jpg
http://jeep.nrfg.com/jeep25.jpg




and this is what they are good for....:D
http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/DanStarc-89XJ/dans02.jpg

When Tubing Benders Attack. Tonight @ 8pm pt. on FOX! :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

This looks like a problem area, the mirror will hit the tube as you open the door.

I like the way it was done, becuause with the doors off you have no problems!!:D

It opens fine... It doesn't look that way but mine (green one in the middle) has no issues (driverside mirror) and is even tighter to the door than Dan's is... Also the doors do very little for the integrity of the unibody so it really makes no difference if you run them or not...

Matt

heres one i found http://www.hammerdown4x4.com/Photogallery/2002-UROC%20St.%20George,%20Utah/images/006A-IMG0097_jpg.jpg http://www.hammerdown4x4.com/Photogallery/2001%20-%20UROC%20Vernal,%20Utah/images/003A-IMG0002_jpg.jpg

http://www.hammerdown4x4.com/Photogallery/2001%20-%20Trail%20Rides/images/004-IMG0018_jpg.jpg

http://www.rocketcityoffroad.com/zjexocage.jpg

I think this looks GREAT. Nice work.
http://www.patagonia4x4.com.ar/Album/Dan/new2.jpg

Originally posted by parrothead
and this is what they are good for....:D
http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/DanStarc-89XJ/dans02.jpg [/B]

Uh.. Just a question:

Is that Moab Rim?

And if so, how exactly did you roll on Moab rim?

http://www.hammerdown4x4.com/Photogallery/2002-UROC%20St.%20George,%20Utah/images/006A-IMG0097_jpg.jpg

Pass. side rear tire has a blown bead.:D

JS-Economos,

That is not a blown bead...snicker snicker..he is running a dually rear with just single tires on the inside. The rim acts as a training wheel to help prevent rollovers...snicker snicker. if you have more of this :beer: you will be more able to see it better! LOL John

:beer: :beer: :beer:

NOW I see...:smokin: :smokin:

:flipoff2:

See (:beer:..... it does help to clarify things!! LOL. You can see how the "empty" dually rim is riding that rock and preventing the rollover!! John

Rokcrler can you get me some more info on that ZJ. Dude that makes me want to sell my Yota and build my Zj. Thanks

I'll look for more pics tomorrow, its a 94 zj limited with sway-a-way coil overs, dana 60s, and 37" boggers..... it was built by travis smith and rocket city offroad for the Eastern Rockcrawling competitions. They placed 6th overall in the competition...

Here (http://community.webshots.com/user/tands1000) is a build up of the ZJ.

Originally posted by cj8scrambld
JS-Economos,

That is not a blown bead...snicker snicker..he is running a dually rear with just single tires on the inside. The rim acts as a training wheel to help prevent rollovers...snicker snicker. if you have more of this :beer: you will be more able to see it better! LOL John

Dammitt stop giving away all the secrets!! You have to keep some stuff to yourself..you bastard! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Rokcrler
http://www.rocketcityoffroad.com/zjexocage.jpg

yea man!! this thing is badass.. i saw it at erocc and loved it at first sight.. very nicely done rig.. hottest zj ever!

Any more?

That ZJ now sits on 39" TSLs and 44" TSLs (depending on what he wants to run). The new owner is a member by the name of ROKN ZJ.

Hey parrothead nice work on the rig and exo.
But, the only thing i question is the cage structure on the roof, it all seems to be joined at one point, just behind the sunroof. I just think that might be of concern regarding a single failure point...

Originally posted by The Adam Blaster
Hey parrothead nice work on the rig and exo.
But, the only thing i question is the cage structure on the roof, it all seems to be joined at one point, just behind the sunroof. I just think that might be of concern regarding a single failure point...

i dont believe thats parrot head's....last i checked it belong to Dan Starc (sp).....havent heard from him in awhile

Originally posted by NCxj18


i dont believe thats parrot head's....last i checked it belong to Dan Starc (sp).....havent heard from him in awhile

Well, do you have any opinions on what i said about the tube meeting at one point?
Or anyone else for that matter.....

Originally posted by The Adam Blaster


Well, do you have any opinions on what i said about the tube meeting at one point?
Or anyone else for that matter.....

Well in my opinion:
His cage will hold up just fine.
1. because it is called triangulation.
2. because he has an internal cage tied to the external
3. The guy that built it is: "Wanderingwillys" not parrothead
4. "parrothead" was just posting the pics.

The tan one on the rocks is Dan Starc's; also the same truck on its lid like a dead roach... He didn't have any internal tirangulation or bracing in the roll over pic and all that happend was he picked up a few dents at the roof line when the cage shifted and hit the body- that is what brought about the internal bracing...

Mine is the true poser shot in my driveway (olive drab w/ tiny boggers) - I even went wheeling yesterday :flipoff2: (I swear its true :D)

I took a good long look at Dan's in person and shamelessly copied what I liked and changed what I thought would make it better based on his experiences...

As for the other two I don't know'em or anything about them so no comment :confused:


Matt
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/eek13.gif

Hey Matt,go wheel with us!!Watch on SNORT board and give us a shout!We are out at Reiter once a week and are gonna go find some snow later this work week,probably High Rider.Just a thought:)

I am sick and tired of my sh!tty turning radius with my hydro assist system so I am going to go full hydro - just need to get the orbital and misc fittings to go from 3/4 o-ring to my pump and -6 JIC lines...

Otherwise I would be game even with my system as it is - just need to find the longest pitman arm I can fit - ~6.75 to 7" center to center (and lots of drop)


I will keep an eye on the SNORT board - see ya,

Matt

I'm sure youv'e got connections,but Jason"snortclown" has pretty good deals on orbital valves.

Dan's just has a pair of tubes that pierce the roof just behind the sunroof as noted and are diagonally run to the area where the rear seat used to live; like this: / \ ....

On mine I built a mild interior cage and then pierced the roof in 8 places to connect to the halo... So I retained the rear seat and I am able to use the majority of the cargo area for large stuff...

Matt

Very nice cage work. Any pics of the internals that tie in?

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/EXO/exo20s.jpg
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/EXO/exo25s.jpg

How does that suit you - roof skin is welded to the tubes that connect the two cages...:D

Matt

PS doesn't even leak out here in the wet PNW

am I missing something, or are most of these (not the ones pictured in this thread of course :D) exo cages that are nice and tight against the body, not welded completely around the tube?

They started the exo on my buddys XJ...Not done yet!!..He is going to re-do the doors( they ran out of time before a ride we were going on)..He is going to take off the front fenders and replace them with tube as well as a new front bumper!!..We tested this out on a trail that killed 3 bad-ass built rigs..including mine...Held up great..Heres some pics..He will email more later!

getting loaded up for the trail!

only action shot I have so far!

economos you ever do anything else to that blue xj since leavin the ville'??? did it ever get any bigger????:flipoff2: :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

http://bbs.off-road.com/ubbthreads/download.php?Number=1065721

http://bbs.off-road.com/ubbthreads/download.php?Number=1065725

http://bbs.off-road.com/ubbthreads/download.php?Number=1065729

shes not done yet, still have quite a few bars to add , angled bars in the door ways like the zj in this thread, bar going across the back of the front seats, bar below the very rear window, bar above the windshield wipers. ill also be building a rear swingout that ties to both sides of the cage . it survived a roll on the highway at about 35-40mph and held up very nicely , a lil tweaked due to only having one cross bar on the roof above the windshield but nothing i cant fix

Originally posted by jyurs
economos you ever do anything else to that blue xj since leavin the ville'??? did it ever get any bigger????:flipoff2: :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Yeah, a little bigger. Hacked up the fenders some more, lobbed off the rear quarter panels, ripped out the carpet interior and head liner, 5" front, 6" rear on scrawney 33s. Trying to save money for full width HP44/ D60 and 37s.:D

BTW, who are you?:confused: :flipoff2:

Didn't that orange one that AZFJ posts pics of used to have some slick armoured quarters - what happened? destroy those already or were they just banging on everything...

I don't get the idea of pulling the doors of an XJ and then welding tube across that space :rolleyes: Just do a scrambler if you want a long wheelbase open air jeep - or heaven forbid a toyota :flipoff2:

The whole point of an XJ is that it is a closed cab rig - half doors fine, no doors ok (just don't fawk up the sill to bad dragging it past stuff) but why eliminate the doors and then make it so you can put them back ever...

Apparently you guys don't get much slop or snow down there :p But I like being able to roll the widows up and crank the heat (ok I am done bitchin - to each his own ;) )

Matt

That said my next trail rig won't even have a w/s - I am going from the aquarium that is my XJ to a pile of tube...

Edit: Oh yeah I forgot to add I flopped mine last week or so ago and it did fine - just busted the sunroof (spare pitman popped out of the center console) and quarter glass (funny bulge in the rocks)

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Misc_Exterior/exo_roll1.jpg

thats what button on canvas doors are for, nice lil sipper with some clear plastic, all five doors and the rear windows. just need to get a sewing machine and some canvas

i want a xj not a scrambler:flipoff2:

Hey BUTCHER!!!

Is that a EXO or a sprinkler system to water your XJ and hope it grows?

Hahahahaha


KINGSIZE :flipoff2:

Just out of curiosity how much does that tan XJ weight. Looks like it has like 800lbs of tube on it along with a lot of body:flipoff2:

It sure is purdy though. Nice tube work....all 200 feet of it:flipoff2:

Matt, you're not sayin' I ruined my XJ are ya now. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1423234

Easy

AZFJ,

What is up with those long shackles on that yellow XJ. I know it's not yours but...

Originally posted by EasyXJ
Matt, you're not sayin' I ruined my XJ are ya now. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1423234

Easy

Yes, Yes I am- that sir is a giant pile of poo :flipoff2:
























Just pullin your leg ;) Some times I wish I went your route - but that is my point - either chop it all off for weight savings and run a normal cage or keep the sheet and glass and run an exo; any thing in between just won't work as well as it could...

Put that in your pipe and smoke it (guess I wasn't done bitchin yet :flipoff2: )

Matt

Originally posted by CA_YJ
Just out of curiosity how much does that tan XJ weight. Looks like it has like 800lbs of tube on it along with a lot of body:flipoff2:

It sure is purdy though. Nice tube work....all 200 feet of it:flipoff2:

If you are talking about mine - if so it is WWII olive drab but pictures are pictures...

The cage weights about 350lbs and the rig sits between 4800 and 5100 lbs depending on what trail gear I have in it...

190ft to be exact :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

Matt

hehe, Matt, I flopped mine in January and didn't lose any glass. Put that in yer pipe and blow bubbles with it:flipoff2:

I did bend one of the angled downbars though.

Easy

I was suprised seeing as though half of my damage came from the contents of the stinkin center console I thought would stay latched - let see if I can break a lexan sunroof :rolleyes:

That quarter window was also a little suprising but not when I looked where the jeep fell (big 2ft bulge in the rock face...)

Maybe I will try and power out of it next time since the cage held up so well :flipoff2:

Matt

Originally posted by wanderingwillys


The whole point of an XJ is that it is a closed cab rig - half doors fine, no doors ok (just don't fawk up the sill to bad dragging it past stuff) but why eliminate the doors and then make it so you can put them back ever...

Apparently you guys don't get much slop or snow down there :p But I like being able to roll the widows up and crank the heat (ok I am done bitchin - to each his own ;) )

Matt

That said my next trail rig won't even have a w/s - I am going from the aquarium that is my XJ to a pile of tube...




Down here its for the AC. 110 degrees and humidity sucks. I like having the option of seating 4 in comfort and having a place to keep the supplies safe and dry.

Full tube rig would be nice but I think I will stick to a SUV. I dont think I would do an XJ again though. A used Suzuki Vitara looks very appealing. Small, lightweight, peppy engine and cheap.
Box the frame, swap in full width D44 and 9", 37-38" tires, extend the wheel base, custom suspension, dual tcases, exo cage, replace all the glass with lexan and you would have a bad ass and light weight little aquarium.

Originally posted by elev8edcj5
AZFJ,

What is up with those long shackles on that yellow XJ. I know it's not yours but...

..Thats a design that was done at a shop locally...Almost all there rear suspensions are set up that way!...Works well...Plants traction well also!

Originally posted by wanderingwillys
Didn't that orange one that AZFJ posts pics of used to have some slick armoured quarters - what happened? destroy those already or were they just banging on everything...

..Reply!..Still holding up great...He just wanted to step up to tougher trails...He descided on the exo...More money than brains I guess!

I don't get the idea of pulling the doors of an XJ and then welding tube across that space :rolleyes: Just do a scrambler if you want a long wheelbase open air jeep - or heaven forbid a toyota :flipoff2:

.Reply!..The tube across the doors is temporary..He hasnt figured out what to do there yet!...Time ran out...It's not done yet....

The whole point of an XJ is that it is a closed cab rig - half doors fine, no doors ok (just don't fawk up the sill to bad dragging it past stuff) but why eliminate the doors and then make it so you can put them back ever...

..Reply..He might go half doors...just pulled them off for this trail...(Worst shit I have seen!)..I'll post pics later...You wont fawking believe what we took this truck through!

Apparently you guys don't get much slop or snow down there :p But I like being able to roll the widows up and crank the heat (ok I am done bitchin - to each his own ;) )

..Reply!.....But we have a butt load of heat here...He still wants the a/c..He also has a pretty bad-ass stereo in there too....Lots of money there!

Matt

That said my next trail rig won't even have a w/s - I am going from the aquarium that is my XJ to a pile of tube...

Edit: Oh yeah I forgot to add I flopped mine last week or so ago and it did fine - just busted the sunroof (spare pitman popped out of the center console) and quarter glass (funny bulge in the rocks)
...I gave him pics of yours to take to the shop....looks like it holds up well!
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Misc_Exterior/exo_roll1.jpg :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Worked good!

No foul as long as your hitting the dirt! :flipoff2:

No doors in AZ with a rig that still had AC just seemed silly to me but the explanation fits.... :rolleyes:

Just let me know if you have any questions about details that might not be clear in the pics... ;)

Matt

PS Those rocks look like fun! :D

Originally posted by wanderingwillys
No foul as long as your hitting the dirt! :flipoff2:

PS Those rocks look like fun! :D

..If you look close at the top of that pic..You see lots of paint on that rock though!..Including lots of grey from my hood and fender!:(