Please do not turn this into another Redline bashing thread. I'm basically doing some research now, in case I have to finish my frontend myself.

I receieved my Tera60R ARB housing knuckle to knuckle from Redline on 9-5-01. I'm still waiting on the rest of my parts, but I'm begining to think I may never see them. I was hoping someone here might be able to help me finish my frontend.

From talking to Keith I believe he uses the WARN FF D60 rear hub/spindle assembly to run the 35 spline outers and 5 on 5.5 pattern. Can I order a WARN FF kit without the axles?

I also believe he welded the outer portion of the 1/2 ton caliper bracket to a 1 ton inner portion. Then used D44 Ford rotors and and D44 GM 1/2 ton calipers.

Then there is suppose to be a adapter to bolt the spindle to his knuckle. That way the spindle/hub assembly can be removed as a unit. I have no clue what this adapter looks like.

All help would be greatly appreciated!

Brian Wickert

Originally posted by 70' Bronco:
<STRONG>Please do not turn this into another Redline bashing thread. I'm basically doing some research now, in case I have to finish my frontend myself.

I receieved my Tera60R ARB housing knuckle to knuckle from Redline on 9-5-01. I'm still waiting on the rest of my parts, but I'm begining to think I may never see them. I was hoping someone here might be able to help me finish my frontend.

From talking to Keith I believe he uses the WARN FF D60 rear hub/spindle assembly to run the 35 spline outers and 5 on 5.5 pattern. Can I order a WARN FF kit without the axles?

I also believe he welded the outer portion of the 1/2 ton caliper bracket to a 1 ton inner portion. Then used D44 Ford rotors and and D44 GM 1/2 ton calipers.

Then there is suppose to be a adapter to bolt the spindle to his knuckle. That way the spindle/hub assembly can be removed as a unit. I have no clue what this adapter looks like.

All help would be greatly appreciated!

Brian Wickert</STRONG>

Brian this is a lot of info but ill try. First you can buy just the wheel hubs seperatly and it will be alot cheaper than modifying a stock 8 lug wheel hub.The spindles are also availible seperatly. To make the disk brake setup is fairly easy you need a set of dana 44 or corp 10 bolt backing plates , and a set of dana 60 dodge or chevy backig plates or machine your own ring, anyway you take the dana 60 backing plte and cut it into a circle slightly larger than the spindle bolt pattern ,then take the dana 44 backing plate and cut the center out to the same diameter as the 60 backing plate then weld the two togather and that makes your caliper mounts. You will need to grind the knuckle where the piston is in mthe brake caliper for clearance unless the tera knuckles already have a recess in them. As for the special adapter you should be able to have that made by anyone who owns a lathe all its for is to adapt the ford lg bearing bolt pattern to the tera knuckle and to properly space the wheel hub out for the stub shaft and thats it any other questions feel free to email me chris <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Go here to see a thumbnail page of the Tera60R housing/knuckles; http://www.bwickert.alloffroad.com/Tera60R/Tera60R.html

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Originally posted by 70' Bronco:
<STRONG>Go here to see a thumbnail page of the Tera60R housing/knuckles; http://www.bwickert.alloffroad.com/Tera60R/Tera60R.html

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Brian measure the bolt pattern of the knuckle for me where the spindle should go <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by 70' Bronco:
<STRONG>Go here to see a thumbnail page of the Tera60R housing/knuckles; http://www.bwickert.alloffroad.com/Tera60R/Tera60R.html

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Brian this is going to be cake you want have to grind the knuckles <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

WOW, you da man techguru73!

Was I right on the Ford rotor, and GM caliper?

I think I saw a post from a guy (i think it was DRM) that just bought a D60 frontend that had the outer piece of caliper brackets torched off. hmmmmm maybe I should shoot him a email to not trash those pieces right away???
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Originally posted by 70' Bronco:
<STRONG>WOW, you da man techguru73!

Was I right on the Ford rotor, and GM caliper?

I think I saw a post from a guy (i think it was DRM) that just bought a D60 frontend that had the outer piece of caliper brackets torched off. hmmmmm maybe I should shoot him a email to not trash those pieces right away???
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the caliper is correct and so is the rotor youll just have to enlarge the center hole to fit over the hub! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

The 4 holes on the knuckle are 3 15/16" center to center, for 1/2" bolts. The hole in the center of the knuckle has a diameter of 4.5".

One of the 4x4 magazines had a Dodge axle upgrade write up. Seems like the base of that spindle was large and only had 4 bolts holding it on. It was some upgrade that Dynatrac is offering. Could a Dodge/GM spindle bolt directly to my knuckle. Width of my frontend is a concern.

Thanks!

DRM's caliper bracket will not work, its a chevy and has 6 mounting holes. Its been a while since I've seen a picture of the redline set-up, but if I remember correctly, wasn't made to use the sealed bearing type hubs? The newer BJ Dodge stuff uses 4 bolts to hold the spindle/bearing/hub/rotor assembly on, its all one piece pressed together similar to a Honda hub assembly. So I can say from the pics, it looks as if the dodge spindle would bolt on there, but then your stuck having fulltime 4wd. Maybe the the newer BJ Ford Part time stuff has 4 bolts??

[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: Ant ]

Originally posted by 70' Bronco:
<STRONG>One of the 4x4 magazines had a Dodge axle upgrade write up. Seems like the base of that spindle was large and only had 4 bolts holding it on. It was some upgrade that Dynatrac is offering. Could a Dodge/GM spindle bolt directly to my knuckleThanks!</STRONG>

Its in the current Four Wheeler. I was looking at it this morning, and it looks to me like a redrilled Chevy (maybe Dodge kingpin too) spindle, with one side of the flange clearanced for something. There were the four big holes they were using along with some unused smaller ones that appeared to be in a 6 bolt pattern. They also said it made the front end slightly wider.

Pete

I have some 92 Dodge stuff I may be able to give to you in a few weeks.

The clearance on the flange of the spindle is for the small Chevy caliper.

Originally posted by Ant:
<STRONG>DRM's caliper bracket will not work, its a chevy and has 6 mounting holes. Its been a while since I've seen a picture of the redline set-up, but if I remember correctly, wasn't made to use the sealed bearing type hubs? The newer BJ Dodge stuff uses 4 bolts to hold the spindle/bearing/hub/rotor assembly on, its all one piece pressed together similar to a Honda hub assembly. So I can say from the pics, it looks as if the dodge spindle would bolt on there, but then your stuck having fulltime 4wd. Maybe the the newer BJ Ford Part time stuff has 4 bolts??

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Actually DRM's 60 is a dodge....at least that is the impression he gave me.

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Does anyone have a pic of the REDLINE spindle to knuckle adapter?

Did anyone receive a complete REDLINE frontend?

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i have a set of outers at my shop now but i dont have a digi camera

Originally posted by DesertJeeper:
<STRONG>I have some 92 Dodge stuff I may be able to give to you in a few weeks.</STRONG>

If I don't have the rest of my stuff from Keith by then, I may take you up on the offer.

Thanks Larry!

Originally posted by Ant:
<STRONG>The clearance on the flange of the spindle is for the small Chevy caliper.</STRONG>
Which spindle are you refering to? WARN FF or the Dodge

Originally posted by GearMan:
<STRONG>i have a set of outers at my shop now but i dont have a digi camera</STRONG>

What are the outers you are refering to?

If I do use the WARN FF rear spindle on the front, does anyone know if the spindle has the support lip on the back?

What about the internal needle bearings most front spindles have, does the warn rear FF spindles have these?

I was also thinking some more about the Dynatrac conversion that allows manual hubs on the Dodge D60 hub setups. The spacer they used went behind the flange on the hub, so it would not make the frontend wider. Just moves the rotor inward.

Brian Wickert

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Brian,
sorry i don't have any info for you but just wanted to say, good luck. i'm the guy you helped out with the hydroboost from the EBML.

my 60 is sitting in the driveway and i'm watching closely.

take care.
jim

Originally posted by 70' Bronco:
<STRONG>What are the outers you are refering to?</STRONG>

i have a completely disassembled redline front end with the new knuckle set up at my shop <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by 70' Bronco:
<STRONG>If I do use the WARN FF rear spindle on the front, does anyone know if the spindle has the support lip on the back?

What about the internal needle bearings most front spindles have, does the warn rear FF spindles have these?

I was also thinking some more about the Dynatrac conversion that allows manual hubs on the Dodge D60 hub setups. The spacer they used went behind the flange on the hub, so it would not make the frontend wider. Just moves the rotor inward.

Brian Wickert

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Brian the spindles from warn will have an indexing ring on the back where it originaly went into the bearing housing it is 3.150" . There is no needle bearing in the warns and im not sure it has a provision for one it may need to be machined. hope this helps chris <IMG SRC="smilies/roxy.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/roxy.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by GearMan:
<STRONG>i have a completely disassembled redline front end with the new knuckle set up at my shop <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

JACKPOT! Am I right on the WARN stuff?

What about needle bearing in the spindle?

What the heck does this knuckle/spindle adapter look like?

Checking Mapquest for Hanford to Citrus Heights, LOL
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unfortunately can't help with the parts ID'ing, just wanted to say good luck, and let us know what you find, as I'm working on my 60's too, BTW thanks for putting pix of me on clawhammer on your website...

Originally posted by 70' Bronco:
<STRONG>JACKPOT! Am I right on the WARN stuff?

What about needle bearing in the spindle?

What the heck does this knuckle/spindle adapter look like?

Checking Mapquest for Hanford to Citrus Heights, LOL
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yes on the warn stuff. It has a bushing instead of a brng. but i think i figured a way around that so it could use a bearing.As far as the adapter i wish i had a digi camera so you could see it its not that hard i made a simpler 2 pieace set up like it for another job so it is not that hard. after haveing it i have some of my own ideas to improve on this RAT TRAP you can call me at 916-712-3814 cell or 916-852-7109 shop

Is there a good source for those axle ends and knuckles? They look expensive, but may be an alternative to searching for JY D60s

Originally posted by JEEPRZ:
<STRONG>Is there a good source for those axle ends and knuckles? They look expensive, but may be an alternative to searching for JY D60s</STRONG>

Right now it would be easier to search the JY for dana 60's then try to buy these knuckles. There is some dificulty contacting the supplier.

Craig

Jim, John, Chris, and Steve, THANKS for the kind words! I'll try to keep folks updated on how this turns out.

It's a big relief to know that Gearman has a setup at his shop to reference. I'll be calling him at the shop tomorrow.

I still have some hope that Keith may follow through with his promises/obligations, but things are looking pretty dim at this point.

Thanks for the help!

P.S. if anyone in the Sacramento area has a digital camera, stop by Gearman's and post some pics.

A CURIOUS Note;
I was just at the REDLINE website. I noticed the picture of the "Redline Knuckles" was changed. The pic with the Wilwood caliper was there with in the last couple days.

Maybe Keith is gearing back up???