i have been reading for the last few days about 404s and 406s, but most of the reading i have done was a little confusing because of german to englinsh translating,

i am lookin for a single cab but dont know if i want a 404 or a 406

i know the 404 axle strength is about 1.5 ton, but what is the 406 axle?

also what does a single cab 404 and a 406 weigh roughly,

and what is a doko, i seems the doko is a shorter mog but i dont really know

and what is a 416 mog? i think a 416 is goin to be way to big for what i want though.

i am pretty sure they made the 404 from roughly 1965 to 1980, and dont know nothin about the 406 timeframe,

if i get a 404 what is a good year range to get?

thanks in advance, i know this is probably simple shit but i am confused out of my mind

The 406 and the 416 are pretty much the same truck except the 416 is longer wheel base. Both are heavier duty than the 404, but not any larger. 406/416 are both in-line 6 cylinder normally aspirated diesel. The 404 is in-line 6 cylinder gaser. DOKA is a german acronym for double cabin, or 4 door crew cab. What do you intend to use the mog for? That really dictates which one would suite you better. 404's make great crawlers because they are lighter and flexible. 416's also make fine crawlers, but are much heavier and rigid (although they flex like crazy compared to most vehicles). 416/406 generally have hydraulic systems intended to power implements. They were used more for agricultural and municipalities where as the 404's were intended for more military duty. In my opinion, and some will argue with me, the 406 are way to short a wheel base. But some people love them.

You would probably do better finding info on benzworld.org

There is a lot more info and members more geared toward using and enjoying mogs as mog and not just striping their axles to put on some other pile of junk. ;-)

i think the 416 is going to be too long for what i am goin to use it for,

the mog is going to be a work truck for my business, plow truck, and tow my boat, also be used as a weekend wheeler.

here is what i narrowed it down to what i want.

single cab, 404 or 406, it is going to have to have some type of pto, hopefully front and rear,

i have learned a hell of a lot over the past 2 days just reading and lookin at pictures, still cant find a spec sheet on a single cab, 404 and a 406 that is in english, or the truck weights,

got 2 questions,

how big of a plow can a 404 and a 406 handle,
and how much does a 404 and 406 single cab weigh,
and how much tongue weight and how much can they each tow.

thanks for the other link to the site,

i think the 416 is going to be too long for what i am goin to use it for,

A 404 and 416 are roughly the same size. A 416 has a 114" wheel base - hardly a monster. it also has roughly the same track width as a Land Rover on 35" tires



i have learned a hell of a lot over the past 2 days just reading and lookin at pictures, still cant find a spec sheet on a single cab, 404 and a 406 that is in english, or the truck weights,

A 406 or 416 will weigh roughly 9000-10,000 lbs unloaded (depending on options).



how big of a plow can a 404 and a 406 handle,

A 406 will handle as big a plow as you can find - seriously. The powered snowblowers used on 406's weigh on the order of 5000 lbs...


and how much tongue weight and how much can they each tow.

This is for a 416 - Tongue weight is dependent on the hitch installed - there were several factory options. Unbraked trailers are limited to 1500 kg, braked trailers are limited to 8000 kg. The ultimate towing capacity off the road is in the order of 25000 kg normally, but, with the proper options (torque converter), I believe you can move something like 75000 kg. These things routinely pull strings of loaded rail cars and full size commercial aircraft. Note my measurements are in kilograms - not pounds...

I think 404's are limited to considerably less trailer weight and they can NOT pull the real heavy loads. 404's were designed more as cargo and man carriers then pullers. A 406 was DESIGNED to pull heavy s**t.

IMO, if you're thinking of a Mog for serious WORK - you need one of the diesel's, not a 404.

You need to find a place to drive some. The 406 is nice but slow. Due to the short wheel base, it is limited to a top speed of 50 mph. The engine in the 416 is turned up a bit on rpm for a higher top speed.

What type of work are you planning on doing? Are you traveling any significant distance? Mogs are pieces of equipment. A good 1 ton truck woudl probably fit the bill better with a cheap Jeep for offroading.

Yoterford, don't let the size fool you, the 416 is not that long!!! I would seriously look at a 406 in person and see just how SHORT it is compare to a 404 or a 416. As disco said, the 404 and 416 are about the same wheel base. Neither is much longer, if at all, compared to a standard pickup. The 406 on the other hand is very short wheel base, not conducive to wheeling or traveling in. As I said before, the 406 owners will argue with me on this one, but the longer wheel base mogs, I think are much more useful. Good luck with the hunt, -James

The 416 has less of a pucker factor than a 406 when going downhill. In mine, I've had both rear tires leave the ground when dropping down ledges. Its to the point that you start avoiding steep downhill trails, unless you put a counterweight on.

thanks for the replys,

ive just about figured out, everything i need to know from the weights, heights, clearances, engines, and specs,

classicmogs, expedition imports, and a few germans sites i found had everything u needed to know.

pretty sure i just want a ex swedish 404 convertable, or a 404 preferably with a soft top.
it seems like most places want 10-11 grand for a god condition 404 single cab.

anyone know any places in the east coast, in the jersey, pa, new england regin

That would be Swiss 404s, and most are softtops.

Check out Chris at Offroad Imports in RI. That would be the closest dealer.

thanks,

the more i read the more i contrast the 404 and the 416, still up in the air about what i want,

thanks

thanks,

the more i read the more i contrast the 404 and the 416, still up in the air about what i want,

thanksIf your towing that pretty much rules out the 404. It's not made for that. I'll be towing an offroad camper with mine but its got a diesel swapped into it.