You know I make holsters, packs, weapons and numerous other shit. This is in response to the "$90 sling" thread. I make my own slings and safety gear.
I hated a bunch of the single point slings out there. They either sucked for adjustment, did not have enough adjustment, had too much crap on them, were a pain in the ass to remove or were not "safe" if I get hung up in a vehicle or whatever.
so I make my own single point slings.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gallery/files/1/3/3/4/4/sling1.jpg

This one has enough adjustment to be TIGHT on me in a t-shirt or opens enough to split the straps and wear it "backpack" style if I need to
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gallery/files/1/3/3/4/4/sling2.jpg

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gallery/files/1/3/3/4/4/sling3.jpg

It has a locking tab in addition to the friction hold of the fastex buckle so it will NOT slide unless I want it to.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gallery/files/1/3/3/4/4/sling4.jpg

it attaches to the weapon by a quick release shackle. these are stainless marine ones that were sand blasted and duracoated black. the have a 5-6 inch leader of nylon webbing each with a captive friction buckle. This one is not finished as they also have a small tab with a snap that goes of the quick release. this shackle is in case I am caught up in something and my weapon is going to kill me :laughing: pull tab and the weapon is free.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gallery/files/1/3/3/4/4/sling5.jpg

I also use a fastex buckle on the loop so it can be taken off that way as well or if I need to weave the loop through something.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gallery/files/1/3/3/4/4/sling6.jpg

I also made MOLEE tabs that weave through the MOLEE loops on body armor with a D ring at the end so the weapon can be clipped directly to the armor with no sling needed. The shackle can do it by itself if needed.

All my weapons have a shackle/leader attached to them so any of the slings can be used with any weapon or I can set the slings for different amount of shit I am wearing.

total cost:
quick release shackle: $10 shipped for 5 of them off ebay
fastex buckle: bag of 5 is like $3
friction lock buckle: bag of 10 is like $3
locking tabs: bag of 5 is like $4
D rings: varry in price, these are nylon and were free in the friction lock bag
1 inch flat nylon strapping, mil spec (used for backpack straps) $1-2 a yard depending on where you get it. this sling takes 2 yards.

so to make 5 slings it cost me $40 or $8 a piece. (mind you this is if you do not buy in bulk, trust me its a lot cheaper to buy a spool of nylon at a milsurp place or gunshow and YES you eventually will use it)

This can be sewn by hand or with a quality sewing machine. bar tacks or bar tacks with an X work fine. Look at other slings for ideas.

my what nicely manicured fingernails you have, doc :flipoff2:

FAIL



She still has clothes on.

retry:D

my what nicely manicured fingernails you have, doc :flipoff2:

i was going to say the same thing. and the jewelry:flipoff2:.


i am guessing you machine sewed them?

i was going to say the same thing. and the jewelry:flipoff2:.


i am guessing you machine sewed them?

the nails and jewelry or the slings?:laughing::flipoff2:

the nails and jewelry or the slings?:laughing::flipoff2:

shit, you probably did make the jewelry too:rainbow::flipoff2:


i have a small, easy project that i need sewn and i was wondering if you may be interested.

shit, you probably did make the jewelry too:rainbow::flipoff2:


i have a small, easy project that i need sewn and i was wondering if you may be interested.

no but I did fix one of those rings by silver soldering a split and reforming it :laughing:

Yes at work I have use of 2 walking foot machines and 3 ultra heavyduty ones for doing rigging work.
What do you need done?

FAIL


:laughing:

Looks great. I don't have the patience to sew anymore, I guess I need to start forcing myself to do it.

no but I did fix one of those rings by silver soldering a split and reforming it :laughing:

Yes at work I have use of 2 walking foot machines and 3 ultra heavyduty ones for doing rigging work.
What do you need done?


i need to make an extender for a velcro strap on my ar case. it is set up for a standard hand guard but won't quite fit over a rail front end. basically i just need a short strap with boy velcro on one side and girl velcro on the other.

...boy velcro on one side and girl velcro on the other.

:D:D

I'm really not sure why I find that so funny.

i need to make an extender for a velcro strap on my ar case. it is set up for a standard hand guard but won't quite fit over a rail front end. basically i just need a short strap with boy velcro on one side and girl velcro on the other.

how wide, what color, how long, fastex in the middle, padded ?

how wide, what color, how long, fastex in the middle, padded ?

1-1/2" wide
black
6" long
don't know what fastex is:confused:
non padded

i need 3" of male velcro on one side at one end and 3" female velcro on the other side at the other end (if that makes sense).

here's a most bitchin paint drawing to try and explain what i have in mind :laughing:.

1-1/2" wide
black
6" long
don't know what fastex is:confused:
non padded

i need 3" of male velcro on one side at one end and 3" female velcro on the other side at the other end (if that makes sense).

here's a most bitchin paint drawing to try and explain what i have in mind :laughing:.


so you need it 6" long total 1.5" wide
fastex buckle, a plastic buckle in the middle so you don't have to make that giveaway "SKKKRRRRRRTCH" sound of velcro when taking out your weapon :flipoff2:

oh and its hook side and loopside, not "boy and girl" :laughing::flipoff2:

oh and its hook side and loopside, not "boy and girl" :laughing::flipoff2:

Heh, thank you for correcting him. I could only take so much of the boy/girl stuff.

so you need it 6" long total 1.5" wide
fastex buckle, a plastic buckle in the middle so you don't have to make that giveaway "SKKKRRRRRRTCH" sound of velcro when taking out your weapon :flipoff2:


i like the "SKKKRRRRRRTCH" sound. it's like racking a shot gun and scares all the mall tangos away:flipoff2:

and thanks for the hook and loop terms. i should have known that.

i like the "SKKKRRRRRRTCH" sound. it's like racking a shot gun and scares all the mall tangos away:flipoff2:

and thanks for the hook and loop terms. i should have known that.

ya want a buckle or not? :laughing:
say yes so it at least requires some effort for me to sew it :laughing:

ya want a buckle or not? :laughing:
say yes so it at least requires some effort for me to sew it :laughing:


no buckle for this. i may also be interested in buying one of your single point slings if you are interested in selling one. do you use them to aid in shooting also or just for carrying? how do you like them with a heavier and longer weapon like a fal?

no buckle for this. i may also be interested in buying one of your single point slings if you are interested in selling one. do you use them to aid in shooting also or just for carrying? how do you like them with a heavier and longer weapon like a fal?

in prone I will let out all the extra and wrap it around the handguard and then rebuckle it, then wrap my arm in it to brace. I have not tried it from the off-hand for any bracing...yet :laughing:

i may also be interested in buying one of your single point slings if you are interested in selling one.

Ditto. But it aint worth no $90 bucks :flipoff2:

buy a sewing machine ya lazy fucks :flipoff2: :laughing: I aint got time to start no side business :p

i wish i did :(

buy a sewing machine ya lazy fucks :flipoff2: :laughing: I aint got time to start no side business :p

i wish i did :(

it's not laziness. i'm scared to pull up somewhere in my miata and buy a sewing machine:laughing:

i don't think i have room for one. how much room does a walking foot sewing machine take up? is it something that you can just stuff in a closet when you are not using it (or when your friends are over so they don't make fun of you:D)?

boy velcro... and girl velcro...
Another vote for "holy fawk, that's funny!" :laughing: :lmao:

I like your sling, Gil. Especially the duracoated marine hardware. I assume you tried a plastic quick-release there, or just didn't think it was up to the task?

nice

only problem you may have is with the snap shackle. i absolutely hate those things as i've had them self-release when something catches the ring-ding, or they won't release when under load. i prefer trigger shackles as it solves both issues, but the price of those will make you :barf: . granted my experience with these is on racing yachts where the loads are higher and the budgets larger. the snap shackle will probably work just fine, just adding a data point

Doc,

I know you've posted some of the links to the online places you've gotten stuff, but can ya can ya do it again just for giggles.

:D:D:D

no buckle for this. i may also be interested in buying one of your single point slings if you are interested in selling one. do you use them to aid in shooting also or just for carrying? how do you like them with a heavier and longer weapon like a fal?

Ditto. But it aint worth no $90 bucks :flipoff2:

buy a sewing machine ya lazy fucks :flipoff2: :laughing: I aint got time to start no side business :p

i wish i did :(

Well if you did you'd have three customers to get your feet off the ground!:D:grinpimp:

I think I need to show this thread to my Mom, she can make anything. I'll have to watch her, last time I had her patch my Carhartts she used fabric with a little bear driving a car!

I think I need to show this thread to my Mom, she can make anything. I'll have to watch her, last time I had her patch my Carhartts she used fabric with a little bear driving a car!

:laughing:


I had my mom fix a shirt that I ripped on her screen door. I couldn't figure out where she found the matching material until I tried to put a pack of smokes in my front pocket. :laughing:

i like the "SKKKRRRRRRTCH" sound. it's like racking a shot gun and scares all the mall tangos away:flipoff2:

and thanks for the hook and loop terms. i should have known that.

hey fag, send me a adress so I can mail this :flipoff2:

I totally agree on the need for a quick release somewhere in the design. If you get hung up in an underwater situation a sling can kill you. Underwater entrapment is more common than most people realize. There have been quite a few drownings in Iraq from vehicles going into the water and soldiers getting stuck in them. It's hard to swim wearing full battle rattle. They put the emergency quick release straps on the old ALICE pack shoulder straps after a few soldiers drowned because they couldn't drop their packs fast enough after falling in the water. Note to hunters - always unsling your rifle and unlatch your backpack waist belt if you're crossing a stream. A+ for incorporating a quick release into your design.

If you can avoid the use Delrin buckles and Velcro in your design, I think it's a big plus. Here's why I don't trust either of those components:

Delrin buckles don't last. They either break when they get accidentally stepped on or they break from an accidental momentary overload. Metal buckles don't get brittle in freezing temperatures, Plastic buckles do, and it doesn't take much to break one if it's cold. Put one in your freezer for a few hours and then take it out in the garage and stomp on it a few times - it'll break. Metal doesn't melt if it brushes up against a hot barrel and it doesn't care if you spill bore cleaner or solvent on it. Here's a source for those snazzy metal quick release buckles (http://www.mojosgear.com/html/cbiner98.htm) used in the mega $$ sling - now I see why the guy charges so much. Surplus aluminum aircraft seatbelts also work well for wider webbing. Whatever you use just try to make it so it doesn't jingle or rattle. Big plus points if you can make it field repairable (not permanently sewn in). It's hard to do a heavy duty sewing repair in the middle of nowhere, but it's possible to "borrow" a buckle off another piece of gear if it's just laced in rather than sewn. Broken gear straps on a long march or hike really suck. I've had to use 550 cord on quite a few broken Fastex buckles for a quick field repair. If a buckle can't survive a good boot stomping - it won't survive under real adverse conditions. Totally random comment on why plastic sucks in combat: I broke three M4 collapsible stocks in Iraq because they're cheap ass plastic and cannot perform double duty as a "combination field expedient emergency door opening device & tentpeg removal tool" like the old M16 stocks could.

Velcro's main enemies are sand, mud, and dirt. In a dirty environment it just doesn't last. It fails even more quickly if you try washing it (a washer and dryer will kill velcro very effectively) Look at all the velcro on the new Army ACU's. It has a life expectancy of a month or two in combat conditions before it just won't stick anymore. If you look at a soldiers thigh cargo pocket in any stock OIF photo, the pocket flap is usually hangin' in the breeze because the velcro tabs to keep it shut won't stick. The front flap on Interceptor Body Armor has three metal snaps to keep it together for when the velcro fails. Notice I said "when" not "if". Velcro also has a way of making crunchy noises when you're trying to be quiet. If you need to depend on your gear in a war or just a zombie invasion, I think snaps or buttons are a better choice for sticking things together.

Just rambling - hope there's something worthwhile in there.

Just rambling - hope there's something worthwhile in there.


nope, totally agree.

here is why I am using certain stuff:
Delrin: well...ummmm its free :laughing: :flipoff2: okok. The real reason: I am on water 90% of the time and delrin does not rust. BUT it does UV light degrade. I have a hard time finding stainless stuff that I like or is not stupid priced.
Aluminum is WORSE than plain steel. once it corrodes it will weld itself to the nylon.

Velcro: (none in this sling) when I use it I also try to incorporate a snap dead in the middle as well. so when it does die it will still stay closed


I fucking HATE 90% of the shit on the market. overpriced bling CRAP. K.I.S.S. just lose the crap and form follows function.

here are some links to hard to find stuff:
http://www.rochfordsupply.com/product_listing.asp_Q_CatID_E_419_A_SubCatID_E_484 _A_ProdID_E_3274#
http://www.rockywoods.com/cordura_nylon.htm
http://www.paragear.com/templates/parachutes.asp?group=34&level=1

Look at all the velcro on the new Army ACU's. It has a life expectancy of a month or two in combat conditions before it just won't stick anymore.
Now that is total BS, all the velcro on my ACU's lasted at least 9 weeks. :D Normally my ACU's rip or the seams start falling apart before the velcro throws in the towel.

The Aviation ACU's or Aviation Combat Uniform, or AACU or whatever the hell they call them seem to be a little better made, but I've only had them for a couple months of not very hard use. We'll see how the hold up.

problem solved with the "step on a nylon buckle" problem :D

metal case (any color) nylon center
http://www.strapworks.com/Side_Release_Buckle_p/hsrb.htm
http://www.strapworks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/HSRB-2.jpg


all metal
http://www.strapworks.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MSRB&Show=TechSpecs

metal adjuster
http://www.strapworks.com/Strap_Adjusters_p/msa.htm

problem solved with the "step on a nylon buckle" problem :D

metal case (any color) nylon center
http://www.strapworks.com/Side_Release_Buckle_p/hsrb.htm
http://www.strapworks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/HSRB-2.jpg


all metal
http://www.strapworks.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MSRB&Show=TechSpecs

metal adjuster
http://www.strapworks.com/Strap_Adjusters_p/msa.htm

Noice!! Those are blingtacular! :grinpimp:


Now, iffin you get bored enough...:D:laughing:

Thanks. Just needed something else to spend money on :D

Noice!! Those are blingtacular! :grinpimp:


Now, iffin you get bored enough...:D:laughing:

I can get them in girly colors for ya :flipoff2:

I can get them in girly colors for ya :flipoff2:

:laughing::grinpimp:

built my $7 sling using stuff from these guys: strapworks (http://www.strapworks.com/) also got the junk to make a go fast three point & single point on the way for about 18 bucks

built my $7 sling using stuff from these guys: strapworks (http://www.strapworks.com/) also got the junk to make a go fast three point & single point on the way for about 18 bucks

how about a pic of the one you made?