Ok so I put water in the front tires and that worked great. Now it's cold here and I don't want to take the water out. Add antifreeze? Add some other concoction? Quit being a whimp and take out the water until next comp season? I'm heading up to Flat Nasty in MO this weekend and it's gonna get cold. :confused:

which ftoy you taking? and ya, throw some anit freeze in there and see what happens:flipoff2:

Both.

Sounds like a good experiment! Let us know?

I know some guy on pirate(jr) Fill his tires with alot of air. and put a nail in it. then just put a plug in it

fill them with vodka, then when you are done competeing, pull plug and insert straw.

I don't see any problem with antifreeze unless it gets out of the tires. I was hoping someone would suggest something more enviro-friendly.:D

I,ve been wondering the same thing cause it,s getting cold here

I don't see any problem with antifreeze unless it gets out of the tires. I was hoping someone would suggest something more enviro-friendly.:D

Just drive it all the time. Moving water wont freeze :)

Seriously though what about adding salt to the water? Saturated salt water freezes at -21 Celsius and its enviro friendly. You could buy some of that salt the sell at the autoparts store and mix it in a 5 gal bucket using a paint mixer or something. Or just break the bead and poor some table salt in. The more salt (up to the saturation point) the lower the freezing point down to -21 Celsius.

Totally saturated salt water is 23.3% salt to water by the lb.

Would the salt settle out when left sitting for a while? I have no clue.
Been looking into this for tractor tires. Alcohol is what I have come up with. 30% is good down to like -30 or so.

Or you could just use the echo friendly antifreeze they require in comps.

Toddy

Salt would be too corrosive. Just use alcohol. :)

Forget the water and run "Traction Advantage".

http://rockcrawler-mrt.com/TRACTION%20ADVANTAGE%20by%20MRW.html

I am actually running traction advantage and water combined in the moon buggy.

Matt

It will be alcohol this weekend then i'll look in to the Traction Advantage stuff.

If alcohol where are you getting it? I am gonna need alot to fill the tractor adn buggy so where to get it and how much would be great information.

Toddy

Get that antifreeze they put in RV's water lines. It's super cheap at Walmart and it's non-toxic.

Forget the water and run "Traction Advantage".

http://rockcrawler-mrt.com/TRACTION%20ADVANTAGE%20by%20MRW.html

I am actually running traction advantage and water combined in the moon buggy.

Matt

Is that just ceramic balls? I know of a few people running .8mm in their buggies, just wasn't sure what traction advantage was made of?

#9 lead shot wont freeze and it is way heavier than water, 100lbs in each front works, comes in 25# bags at any gun shop. About $35.00 per bag. Only problem is severe death wobble at 20-30 mph. Hey, the unlimited guys use way more. Or at least thats what Ive been told, you didnt hear this from me, and I dont use it, trust me...?

#9 lead shot wont freeze and it is way heavier than water, 100lbs in each front works, comes in 25# bags at any gun shop. About $35.00 per bag. Only problem is severe death wobble at 20-30 mph. Hey, the unlimited guys use way more. Or at least thats what Ive been told, you didnt hear this from me, and I dont use it, trust me...?You probably wouldn't get as much death wobble if you took it out of the bag :flipoff2: :D

Rv antifreze. The way we figured out to get it in..... 50 foot hose, connect to valve stem run hose uphill(Preferable) hose bib end insert funnel 50 foot hose held 1.5 gallons if I remember right and then top off water level to were you like it flushing the remainder of the coolant thru. I ran 30 gallons in my 44's and it never froze and I never took it out. I live at 6400 ft.

just make sure you have the bolt in valve stems. the push in ones will rip out. I say screw it and let them freeze up. Unless you leave you truck outside for days on end that tire wont completly freeze up. I've let mine freeze from being outside a week when the garage was being built last winter in sub freezing temps in feb and we were good to go. They were hard as a rock when I took off but after I hit the first rock everything broke up and was flexing.

Salt is gonna eat up the rubber from inside and is very corrosive. Go with anti-freeze. Next time just put anti-freeze alone with no water, its non-corrosive and wont freeze at all

what about windsheild washer fluid, like the the de-icer kind? It's rated for something like 25 below 0, or sommething close. Seems like it could be had for cheaper thatn antifreeze. i've never ran liguid/water in and automotive realted tires, but lots in farm/implement tires. We just used alittle of this instead.

yeah i'd say that would probably work just as good. Never thought of that before. I'll remember that for the next one.

In my area many of the farmers have switched to beet juice in there tires, it's sold under the name rim guard here. Non corrosive, environmentally friendly, dosn't freeze until very very cold, heavier than water, I don't know if there is a dealer or way to get it in your area but it's an option.

Brewchief:D

which ftoy you taking? and ya, throw some anit freeze in there and see what happens:flipoff2:

Both.

got a second one built? What did I miss? Build thread? Do tell!!!

got a second one built? What did I miss? Build thread? Do tell!!!

We've temporarily taken over the #10 car.:eek: I'll post some pics and a story about our first ride in it later this week. Both rigs did VERY well.:D:grinpimp::D

Alpine will compete in the the #10 car as well as our current #48 in the We-rock East events and select other comps and trail rides in the East in 2008. We are still working on finalizing our team sponsors for 2008 so more to come later on that.

2 bottles of rubbing alcohol and an undertimined amount of Slime and it didn't freeze in nighttime temps around 20deg. It will probably have to get colder for longer to actually freeze them anyway. Next time I mount up a set I think i'll try the washer fluid if I don't go with a non-fluid substance.

How much liquid are you running now? how many pounds you figure?

How much liquid are you running now? how many pounds you figure?

150# each? I have not weighed them.

We've temporarily taken over the #10 car.:eek: I'll post some pics and a story about our first ride in it later this week. Both rigs did VERY well.:D:grinpimp::D

Alpine will compete in the the #10 car as well as our current #48 in the We-rock East events and select other comps and trail rides in the East in 2008. We are still working on finalizing our team sponsors for 2008 so more to come later on that.

Waittaminute.....

....I couldn't remember who had the #10 car, so I searched in the Chassis Registry on Formulatoy.org. That's Hobie's car! Come on, there's gotta be more story to this... Is Hobie driving the TG FToy next year?

And when I clicked on the Hobie Smith #10 (http://formulatoyeast.com/php/index.php?option=com_weblinks&task=view&catid=13&id=13) link:

well...click it...it's :barf:

I read on the trail gear site Hobie is going to be spotting for Matt in the Unlimited Class.

150# each? I have not weighed them.


150lbs of water? or 150 total, with Tire and rim weight included? which would be around 50lbs of water.

150lbs of water? or 150 total, with Tire and rim weight included? which would be around 50lbs of water.

I weighed the old mts and the new bfg stickies{37x12.5x17) on aluminum wheels with campbell ent. bead locks to compare, each weighed in at 125lbs, that is air filled only. Just so you know.

150lbs of water? or 150 total, with Tire and rim weight included? which would be around 50lbs of water.

I posted a thread somewhere and the consesus was to place the valve stem at 5 o'clock and fill the tire until water ran out of the hole. Assuming this would be 15 +/- gallons as i don't know how to figure the exact area involved 15 gallons @ 8.33# each so somewhere between 120# and 150#. I haven't been able to weigh them before and after so I don't really know.

The difference is VERY noticable with the water added.

Some form of liquid calcium was used in skidder (logging equip) tires. It dosent freeze.

does anyone know what the traction advantage stuff is. Wasn't sure if it was ceramic, steel, lead, shot or what?

I know in our Kubota, we use calcium-chloride + water. Works well for our cold Michigan winters. About 600lbs in each tire.

From a tractor site:

The fluid added to the tire inner tubes is simple water. That is why it was so popular to use when extra weight was desirable. Water was cheap and plentiful. The only problem was that it froze in the winter time. In order to keep this from happening the farmer started to add antifreeze solutions to the water. The more expensive types of antifreeze that were used included alcohol and ethylene glycol. These worked quite well but with the potential of running an ever so common briar through the tire and losing the liquid onto the ground a cheaper and simpler solution was used. Calcium chloride became that more attractive solution since it was easily obtained at a cheaper price. It came in powder form and was mixed with water which was then pumped into the standard tire inner tube with a small reciculating pump and valve stem adapter. When a weight mix of 29.8% was used then the eutectic temperature, or the maximum temp that the freezing point of water can be depressed, is around minus 60 degrees Fahrenheit. This type of mix was usually found in most weight based fluid filled tractor tires. Water was put into a barrel or container then the calcium chloride was added and thoroughly mixed. Then the tire was filled from half to three-quarters full, depending on the desired weight to add, then topped off to the standard pressure rating with air.

One negative aspect of using the calcium chloride is that it is quite corrosive. This can be noticed by the corrosion and excessive rusting around tractor rims where the fluid has leaked out of pin holes or leaky valve stems in the inner tube. But with some simple care in filling, repairing leaks, keeping rims primed and painted, and simple washing off of leakage areas this problem can be readily circumvented. Be certain that if the tire encounters a leak that when the tire is removed from the rim it is thoroughly washed to remove the calcium chloride residue. Both the rim, tube and inside of the tire should be rinsed. Another aspect to be aware of is that the extra tractor weight will tend to pull more equipment but it will also sink deeper in soft ground. Yes, the traction will be there but if the soil is too soft to support the total weight the tractor may bottom out on the drawbar and leave the wheels spinning. Either way, be cognizant of the ground conditions before trying to plow, disc, or bushog in wet land.

Calcium chloride is still used in tractor tires today for adding extra weight and traction to the tractor. A tire store that services farm and/or industrial excavating equipment would be a good place to start when looking for a business to fill this need.

does anyone know what the traction advantage stuff is. Wasn't sure if it was ceramic, steel, lead, shot or what?

Go back to post 12 theres a link

Go back to post 12 theres a link

I did that. Its says something about a mineral blend and something about ballast pellets. Was just trying to understand what the product is excactly.