Back Door with an EB?

[bronco jnke]

I'm going to try back door with my early bronco. Stock wheel base, 92 in., 36 in. iroks, half ton drivetrain built with all the good stuff. Iv'e gottin my confidence up after making some climbs that were similar to BD. Any advice?

[tazman999]

I've got a 69 bronco, 99" wb, rock crusher 60's. 4-link coil-over, 42" iroks with 2/3 water, atlas 5.0, front & rear winch, 700r4, 351 fuel injected, all the goodies.
Had a hell of a time getting it. Good spotting and no fear, backwards rolls suck, especially if you like your junk. good luck, love to hear how it goes. A bunch of talkers are saying they got it with less than 99, all lies, show pic's.

[desertoy]

I'm going to try back door with my early bronco. Stock wheel base, 92 in., 36 in. iroks, half ton drivetrain built with all the good stuff. Iv'e gottin my confidence up after making some climbs that were similar to BD. Any advice?


Ya, dont be mad if you scratch the roof:D:D

[Rock-Wear]

Dont stack rocks

[bronco jnke]

I've got a 69 bronco, 99" wb, rock crusher 60's. 4-link coil-over, 42" iroks with 2/3 water, atlas 5.0, front & rear winch, 700r4, 351 fuel injected, all the goodies.
Had a hell of a time getting it. Good spotting and no fear, backwards rolls suck, especially if you like your junk. good luck, love to hear how it goes. A bunch of talkers are saying they got it with less than 99, all lies, show pic's.

The 92in. thing worries me. I've found if I run my winch cable to my axel guard and suck down the front end a little, it climbs really good. Its about the only thing at the hammers I have'nt tried. Any advice on the right line would help. I seem to remember reading something about more to the right?

[tazman999]

The 92in. thing worries me. I've found if I run my winch cable to my axel guard and suck down the front end a little, it climbs really good. Its about the only thing at the hammers I have'nt tried. Any advice on the right line would help. I seem to remember reading something about more to the right?

Not with that WB. Start far left, climb the ledge until you think your going over backwards, then go driver & give it some. you will then pop up the first ledge. After that its all about sawing the wheel back an forth, with some onion, and you will get it. Also, fill your tire with about 2/3 water.
O' and don't scratch your roof.

[paul_arc]

I'm runnin 39's with 104" WB and a winch to suck the front down, and I could only make it up on the first ledge on the first climb. tried to crawl it, that didnt work. tried to hit it 2nd gear, that still didnt work. You dont have the WB.
X2 on hoping you dont mind a scratched roof, just make sure to take some pics for us:D

[jpfrk2001]

make sure you get some great pics of your modified roof. J/K

mine is 96 inch WB and I already know im to short for Back Door

Good luck

[tazman999]

I'm runnin 39's with 104" WB and a winch to suck the front down, and I could only make it up on the first ledge on the first climb. tried to crawl it, that didnt work. tried to hit it 2nd gear, that still didnt work. You dont have the WB.
X2 on hoping you dont mind a scratched roof, just make sure to take some pics for us:D

with water or with-out, all the difference in the world.

[paul_arc]

with water or with-out, all the difference in the world.

with out. it really makes a big diff?

[tazman999]

with out. it really makes a big diff?

With 39s, your putting about 250 pounds down low where its needed, night & day. Make sure your axels or up to the extra weight.

[paul_arc]

With 39s, your putting about 250 pounds down low where its needed, night & day. Make sure your axels or up to the extra weight.

sounds like you would need to go slow through the dessert getting to the trail. I may give it a try

[scraprock]

35" Maxxis CC's 102" WB 45 mins. worth of attempts. Would have made it if a center limit strap was installed. No water. 2nd gear launches. :lmao:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/2128/failos2.jpg


Same tires, 101" WB 45 mins. worth of attempts. Made it bitches. :flipoff2: Off the shelf Rubicon Express 3.5" lift. Dana 30:flipoff2: and 8.8:flipoff2:. POS rig btw. OEM C-clip 31 spline shafts, alloy usa fronts with spicer joints, and ugly tube work.

Click Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1EqLmKmQIg). Its a you tube.:smokin:

You have to a moron to roll it on Back door.:shaking: 96" WB and 37" MT/Rs has been made by Gary Hall (aka luvrox) in his old TJ. He never went over backwards on Back Door.:flipoff2:


Any one else ever make it on 35"s? Or seen someone make it on 35"s? I have always wanted to know if I am the only one with big enough balls and small enough brains.:confused:

[tazman999]

sounds like you would need to go slow through the dessert getting to the trail. I may give it a try

make sure your at 2/3 water, its important. steering components will be pissed unless they are newer. the first time I did it, no problem, The second time I used less water, sucked!!!!!!!!!

[TeenyCAR]

There's a fair amount more to it then wheelbase. My old single seat car that was 102 inches flew up the right, middle, and left lines without difficulty. Center of gravity, weight distribution, tires, committment, the right line, etc... are going to play into whether or not you make it.

[paul_arc]

35" Maxxis CC's 102" WB 45 mins. worth of attempts. Would have made it if a center limit strap was installed. No water. 2nd gear launches. :lmao:

Same tires, 101" WB 45 mins. worth of attempts. Made it bitches. :flipoff2: Off the shelf Rubicon Express 3.5" lift. Dana 30:flipoff2: and 8.8:flipoff2:. POS rig btw. OEM C-clip 31 spline shafts, alloy usa fronts with spicer joints, and ugly tube work.

Click Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1EqLmKmQIg). Its a you tube.:smokin:

You have to a moron to roll it on Back door.:shaking: 96" WB and 37" MT/Rs has been made by Gary Hall (aka luvrox) in his old TJ. He never went over backwards on Back Door.:flipoff2:


Any one else ever make it on 35"s? Or seen someone make it on 35"s? I have always wanted to know if I am the only one with big enough balls and small enough brains.:confused:

damn, you didnt break that d30 with all that jumping? I've never seen anyone try it on 35's, except for you now:flipoff2:

[tazman999]

There's a fair amount more to it then wheelbase. My old single seat car that was 102 inches flew up the right, middle, and left lines without difficulty. Center of gravity, weight distribution, tires, committment, the right line, etc... are going to play into whether or not you make it.

got to no how to drive, BOTTOM LINE, big nuts help, an inch shorter or longer, it all matters, doesn't mean it can't be done. GOOD SPOTTER, GOOD DRIVER.

[bronco jnke]

This is my junk new years weekend out at truck haven.
http://www.southbaycustoms.com/scbd/other/newyears07/MOV03138.MPG

I've done a lot to the rig to get the center of gravity just right. The scorpian seen tried this same climb 3 times, gave up and took by pass. You know how video is, it does'nt do it justice. seeing that XJ got me pumped. Don't worry about video my crews been waiting for this.

[XJ_ranger]

Scrappy and I (The not on my lid failure) will be out there this coming weekend...

Junk will be flogged...:homer:

Non broken junk will be flogged harder... :grinpimp:

[Goatman]

sounds like you would need to go slow through the dessert getting to the trail. I may give it a try

Paul, I think you saw me/followed me through the desert.............mine are 1/2 full. It doesn't seem to matter, I just won't really haul ass.

[luvrox]

It doesn't seem to matter, I just won't really haul ass.

Damn Richard :shaking:, we gotta talk. :D

[Goatman]

Damn Richard :shaking:, we gotta talk. :D

No water for that.

:flipoff2:




I just need new tires....... :D

[forevernoob]

35" MT/R's. 104" WB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvmWqcRD-uc

MTR should stand for "more tries required". :flipoff2:

[Im4yotas]

Get some shoulder belts if you try it. You were hangin way outta the cage in that vid, and it looks like your head almost pops out the top when you sit up straight. You have a pretty good chance of going over backwards hard.

When you approach the fall, make sure you get hung on your diff 2 or 3 times like everyone does their first time:flipoff2: That way you are already frustrated before you get on the climb and won't bother with that slow, technical, boring driving and you can get up there and just peel out.

Usually need a little bump to get the rear tires up the first ledge. Then back up to the edge of the ledge so you can get a bigger bump. I like to hit it in 3rd gear. If it jumps up and back, let off. If it jumps up and forward, stay in it and work the wheels. If it jumps straight up or doesn't even jump, put it in reverse and hang your head in shame because you suck at driving:flipoff2:

The 2nd ledge is the one that gets most people. You're gonna have to figure it out for yourself, though. Much more entertaining that way:D

And scraprock, Garry's tough to compare to. He's, um...different. He probably has a better shot at making the fall in his Dodge than this Bronco does!

[desertkrawler]

Everybody knows how but only one guy proved it.:laughing:

[bronco jnke]

Thanks for the input. Before I try I'm going to lower the seat about an inch and a half. Build a taller stinger. Put the harness back in, and strap on the brain bucket. To be honest it's getting the back wheels up the first ledge that I'm most worried about. I'm not afraid to pin it, just don't want to take out the hood or radiator.
This is going to happen at TB jambo.

[the beeter]

you'll be fine, i will pull you back on your wheels:flipoff2:

[XJ_ranger]

This is going to happen at TB jambo.

Wuss...

get yer junk together and get out there...

[tazman999]

Thanks for the input. Before I try I'm going to lower the seat about an inch and a half. Build a taller stinger. Put the harness back in, and strap on the brain bucket. To be honest it's getting the back wheels up the first ledge that I'm most worried about. I'm not afraid to pin it, just don't want to take out the hood or radiator.
This is going to happen at TB jambo.

try the water, you won't believe the difference.

lots of shit talkers on this tread, still haven't seen any pic's of less than 99" making it. I'm not saying it cant be done, just to much talk.

[Hammer Hog]

...lots of shit talkers on this tread, still haven't seen any pic's of less than 99" making it. I'm not saying it cant be done, just to much talk.

X2!!!


It's sure to be a good show nonetheless :eek:

The only short WB rigs that I've ever seen do it without mess...are light-weight and or low profile tube buggies.



Good Luck...
:D

[orangewagon]

Dude,
I bet you could make it in the Rasic Truck........It has a long wheelbase????
HA HA HA!

[David Taylor]

Garry Hall making it back in 03 in his TJ. I think it was at 92" WB. With a safety line.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/davidgtaylor/125_2539.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/davidgtaylor/125_2540.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/davidgtaylor/125_2541.jpg
Didn't get him going over the top. Here it is up the second one so you will just have to take my word for it.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/davidgtaylor/125_2550.jpg

[bus4rox]

[QUOTE=David Taylor;7711712]Garry Hall making it back in 03 in his TJ. I think it was at 92" WB. With a safety line.

He made it without the safety line too, but I don't think anyone was willing to stand close enough to take pictures:eek:

P

[bronco jnke]

How do you put water in the tires, and displace the air at the same time? How do you get it out when your done?

[orangewagon]

Forget the water.....go with the Rasic truck DAWG!

[thebeeter]

i think your 31 spline axles will be pissed if you put water in the tires. we have all spent our time upside down there and now its your turn.

[luvrox]

i think your 31 spline axles will be pissed if you put water in the tires. we have all spent our time upside down there and now its your turn.

Well said. :D

[Jes]

Garry Hall making it back in 03 in his TJ. I think it was at 92" WB.
Didn't get him going over the top. Here it is up the second one so you will just have to take my word for it.


#2...
http://www.fototime.com/D4A445DF1EA9B26/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/850635CA40A483A/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/81A5408330FBA5D/standard.jpg

That was a fun weekend. :smokin:

[bronco jnke]

Forget the water.....go with the Rasic truck DAWG!
Is this Tom?

[chvyhs]

When is this exactly going to happen? I want to be there!

[scraprock]

Well said. :D


quoted for prosterity...



and to get a jab at the old man

:flipoff2:



How is everyone saying that this dude will wind up on his lid? Honestly, I am curious. First try, made it. Second try, ran out of fuel on the "launch pad". This weekend, XJ_Ranger gets a second shot with 35s and had better damn well make it.

What is everyone doing that is so retarded that you go over backwards? I guess if you are trying way to knarly of a line for what your rig is capable of.. but still. :confused:

[DLD]

Shorty on the second falls:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV/JV07_0403.jpg














But he had to have someone pull the string out on the first falls . . .

[bronco jnke]

When is this exactly going to happen? I want to be there!
Tin Benders for sure, unless we get out there sooner. I'm going to be in Occitillo Wells Presidents weekend, so thats out.

[Hammer Hog]

Note:
Those photos of the second waterfall is quite some time ago. (Gary Hall in 2003, and Shorty's look to be a while ago too.)
It's been cleaned out to be much steeper than shown.


Will prove to be entertaining for sure :D

[scraprock]

Note:
Those photos of the second waterfall is quite some time ago. (Gary Hall in 2003, and Shorty's look to be a while ago too.)
It's been cleaned out to be much steeper than shown.


Will prove to be entertaining for sure :D

The shorty was this last november. So this season! I bet its changed still, but that was not that long ago.

Steve, you able to come out and watch us get dumb?:laughing:

[bronco jnke]

Got it all planned out. Saturday after wheelin going to pull off the hood, the tail gate, (only parts that still look good) and take out all the tools and spare parts. Put a few drinks in the belly and go for broke!
Has a stock wheel base EB ever made it?

[forevernoob]

But he had to have someone pull the string out on the first falls . . .

:D

[Goatman]

Shorty on the second falls:


But he had to have someone pull the string out on the first falls . . .



:D :D

[Hammer Hog]

The shorty was this last november. So this season! I bet its changed still, but that was not that long ago.

Steve, you able to come out and watch us get dumb?:laughing:

Can't wait :D

[SBChero]

chris, that climb @ truckhaven was 10 times easier than backdoor.

but i still want to see you try back door. :smokin:

lets run it. ill go up first, so you have something to winch off of. :flipoff2:

[lttlbddy]

Garry Hall making it back in 03 in his TJ. I think it was at 92" WB. With a safety line.

Why would a TJ have a 92" wheelbase? Maybe 102".

[David Taylor]

Why would a TJ have a 92" wheelbase? Maybe 102".

I don't know ? What is a stock TJ wheel base ?

[mrblaine]

I don't know ? What is a stock TJ wheel base ?

Around 94" when you get it up on 35's. Garry's was a tad longer when he did BD in those pics. Possibly 96 or 97" if you want to split hairs.

[orangewagon]

Time to and get the Case 590 axles under that horse and add 10" to the wheelbase!:homer:

[Beat95YJ]

Why would a TJ have a 92" wheelbase? Maybe 102".

My TJ with RE Long arm and stock rear axle is/was 92.5 wb. Any longer and the upper arm mounts get into the gas tank skid. (CV joint, rotated pinion, and big skid plate)

[bronco jnke]

Time to and get the Case 590 axles under that horse and add 10" to the wheelbase!:homer:
Can you survey the climb and auto cad the right line for me

[mrblaine]

My TJ with RE Long arm and stock rear axle is/was 92.5 wb. Any longer and the upper arm mounts get into the gas tank skid. (CV joint, rotated pinion, and big skid plate)

We built a custom gas tank and he was running a Tera CRD HP 60 with it pushed as far back as it would go.

[Beat95YJ]

I always figure mine is on the short side, but I thought I'd put up my real world numbers.

The Jeep left the house friday to go back under the knife. As there is a new skid on it to replace the old Tomken and the rear suspension is being redone, hopefully I can squeak another couple inches out of it.

[zcarczar]

I cant wait to see this... Chris you know if I cant make it you wont! Well maybe, we will see in a few months.

[bronco jnke]

Maybe the rock gods will shine on me, anyway its time to blow my shit up

[cactuscj]

hey now you might actually have a chance! (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650736) :flipoff2:

[YJ Bill]

If the ice cream truck can make it anybody can:D

[salsaconqueso]

just got back from the hammers yesterday. i ran back door on sat. night in my buggy with a 96 in wheelbase. crawled the first ledge, heated up the front tire, turned driver and about half throttle to get up the second. i think the red lables made the difference. i tried it last year for about a half hour and couldnt get it.

[rock ready]

X2 on salsaconqueso making the line on Sat. night with 96 in wheelbase. It is single seat rc car style but he made it.
My buggy is 102.5 WB, HP 60's, 42's, I got the first ledge and put my junk on it's roof on the second ledge (didn't see that coming:D).
I say go for it,I love Early Bronco's and my buggy started out as one

[bronco jnke]

I haven't posted in a while because I didn't think I could make T/B. Just found out today I can. I'm going to put my harnesses back in and try to lower my seat this weekend. I would like to try BD Saturday before sun down. I would be happy just getting the first ledge. If that happens I'll go for the second. This will probably be the last trip at 92". Going to stretch it to 102". Thanks for all the positive posts.

[bronco jnke]

Just got back from T/B
Back Door 1 Early Bronco 0
Broke front driver hub after a few attempts. Was pretty lame actually. Would like to try again without all the pressure of a crowd watching. Still had a good weekend, made the waterfall on Resolutions 5 grand pinned; probably what weakened the hub.

[jfab6969]

The heckling does gey a little extreme on sat night.

[onesun06]

good attempt man, your motor sounded really healthy.

backdoor is no joke with short WB.

PLus, remeber that little demon child yelling at everybody? Pretty sure that 90% of the people there wanted to throw him at the bottom of the 1st ledge to use as traction.

[chvyhs]

I got denied on Back Door too. Even with 120" of wheelbase on a Formula Four I couldn't get it. I already started working on a new front driveshaft to replace the one I broke on Saturday night.

[84socal]

Just got back from T/B
Back Door 1 Early Bronco 0
Broke front driver hub after a few attempts. Was pretty lame actually. Would like to try again without all the pressure of a crowd watching. Still had a good weekend, made the waterfall on Resolutions 5 grand pinned; probably what weakened the hub.

urs was the red one i showed up right as u broke

[84socal]

who of u guys saw my buddy john make bd his bitch he made some expensive rigs look kinda bad in this pos
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/84socal/hammers%20feb08/02-16-08_1130.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/84socal/hammers%20feb08/02-16-08_1227.jpg

[thebeeter]

first words were how the fuck did he do that! he made it up easier than anyone else that i saw:beer:

[Easy Rick]

who of u guys saw my buddy john make bd his bitch he made some expensive rigs look kinda bad in this pos
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/84socal/hammers%20feb08/02-16-08_1130.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/84socal/hammers%20feb08/02-16-08_1227.jpg

I saw it, he went right up easy as could be. And its good my rig wasn't expensive, or I might take offense to that!:flipoff2:

Attaboy John!

Rick.

[84socal]

first words were how the fuck did he do that! he made it up easier than anyone else that i saw:beer:


ya i said the same thing but hey after he heard the crowd cheer its kinda fuzzy for him he doesnt really remember the rest of the night

[Rubijon]

I cant belive I made it that easily:flipoff2:. I had a great time.:grinpimp:

[2slo4u]

finally got my junk on top of BD and it wasn't pretty or fast, but I made it. :homer: On the second ledge, first try ended with a flop. Pretty much crawled it on the second try. :grinpimp:

[bronco jnke]

Watching that toyota make it look so easy makes me want to try again. I pick up 14" king coilovers monday. Going to stretch wheel base 18" and hit that bitch at Victor Valley fun in the desert.

[Rubijon]

Watching that toyota make it look so easy makes me want to try again. I pick up 14" king coilovers monday. Going to stretch wheel base 18" and hit that bitch at Victor Valley fun in the desert.

When is Victor Valley fun in the desert?

[rsqne1]

I saw the dates posted somehere, but IIRC it is the last weekend in September...

[darnplumber]

I made it up last friday night at Tin Binders with 105" WB, 35's, 4-runner XO'd dual cases a does a winch count?

[sierravalley]

My buddy Brian put on a pretty good show when were there a few weeks back. Was our last night and he was the last in line. Got his front tires over the top and just stayed in the throttle for about a minute and tires heated up and pulled him through. However, after he made it he got a bit cocky and gave the 2nd ledge a good 3 foot run and bump. Launched the entire rig up about 2-3 feet in the air and to the passenger side a good 3 feet. He broke his rear drive shaft right at the flange on the atlas.

His rig is the green fj buggy.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b53/tahoewheelers/Hammers2008016.jpg

The damage.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b53/tahoewheelers/Hammers08also069.jpg

[clint999]

make sure you get some great pics of your modified roof. J/K

mine is 96 inch WB and I already know im to short for Back Door

Good luck

[bronco jnke]

After not making it I decided to change a few things.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=688538&highlight=eb+110+4seat+build+time