Starting with a Sammy use toy axles, dual toy cases,chevy sm465, using ott adapters and built up toy 22r or re using LC's stand alone engine management. 38 cookie cuter boggers rear spool and front locker using 44044 springs front and rear. Now to me this setup would seem bullit proof reliable and have plenty of power and would still be fairly well balanced and not nose heavy, if it is a full cage and a rear winch should about even it up.
So what do yall think, any flaws yall can see?

Thank Darby

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Thats my idea :p

I have all the stuff in the garage, just no money to get to it yet ..

Once again I plan an Idea to see someone do it before me :D

well, cept I'm using a 20R

I would go for the 22RE so you could have fuel injection. Why go through all the trouble and fabrication your going to have to do and have a carb that is gonna suck rock crawling. As long as everything's yota why not go for a yota tranny? One less adapter to buy.
Also are you going to run dual stock cases? If so why not run the yota axles, yota motor, samurai tranny, or 2wheel drive yota tranny, get a 4.16 zuk case and a divorced Nissan case out of the Nissan 720 i think, the model before the hardbody. It has the 1:1 high and something like a 2.09 low. Those cases usually go for less then a 100.00 and have numerous mounting locations on them. This setup would be lower then stock yota cases put together and much cheaper, unless you have a good source for yota cases. Just something to consider.

Well lets see I already got the axles, motor, and cases. I want to to use the sm465 because they are a crap load stronger and shorter and they have a granny first. I want to get away from the diviroced setup easier and stronger to mount a married unit.
Hey Dougo dont feel bad great minds just think alike.:rasta:

Darby

Originally posted by Shawn_C
I would go for the 22RE so you could have fuel injection. Why go through all the trouble and fabrication your going to have to do and have a carb that is gonna suck rock crawling.

I'll answer for me. I'm gonna use the carbed 20R since thats what I have in my garage, I have from the radiator thru Xfer mounted on the cut toy frame with front springs mounted sitting on a Dolly. I have it running on it.

Originally posted by Shawn_C

Also are you going to run dual stock cases? If so why not run the yota axles, yota motor, samurai tranny, or 2wheel drive yota tranny, get a 4.16 zuk case and a divorced Nissan case out of the Nissan 720 i think, the model before the hardbody. It has the 1:1 high and something like a 2.09 low.

SM465 tranny have a 6.55:1 1st gear, multiply 2-2.28's and 5.29's there is an easy 180:1. Get 1 4.7 and 1 2.28 xfer and keep the stock 4.10's and you have your at 288:1 in 1st 158:1 in 2nd . With a Single 4.7 Xfer and 5.29's your at 158:1. While the SM 465 weighs a bit more(like 70Lbs more) its very strong and hey 6.55 1st gear.

Originally posted by Shawn_C
and a divorced Nissan case out of the Nissan 720 i think, the model before the hardbody. It has the 1:1 high and something like a 2.09 low. Those cases usually go for less then a 100.00 and have numerous mounting locations on them.

Right now I have the complete engine/trans/xfer assembly, 2 set toy axles, 2 SM 465 trannys, 2 extra toy Xfers, 4(3 front 1 rear) DC toy shafts and a bunch of other stuff, and paid total of bout 500 for it all. Pretty good for my area where axle assemblies in yards go for 300 each and they wanted 250-400 for trannies. No wa to get an X-fer for 100 locally to me.

Originally posted by Shawn_C
This setup would be lower then stock yota cases put together

Did ya count on the SM465 being a 6.55:1 in 1st gear:smokin:

No I didn't count on the tranny your talkin about. I'm not to famaliar with all the different tranny's out there. As for the motors if thats what you got then thats what I'd go with to I was thinking the original poster was kinda saying what he would LIKE to get. I plan on running the Nissan case, a stock case maybe a 4.16 if I can find a decent used one and yota axles with 4.30's.

Hey as far as the carbed thing goes offy makes a four barrel intake for a toy. You could then run a holley with all the new offroad parts on it. Their new carb got some pretty good reviews.
All Im missing is the tranny myself, but I just got to make a call to one of my buddies I think he has about ten of them. Yall should see his sammy he has small block, auto, np205, 2.5 rockwells and 56in tractor tires with the stock wheel base!

Darby

Where/What you gettiing the SM465's out of? I have been looking for an new tranny setup, this one sounds like it has possibilities....

peace :D

One other thought on the fuel thing. I just put propane on my toyota powered zuk and I like it . Bought the whole thing new off of ebay for $215.00 less the tank, Can get a used tank for about $75.00.

Originally posted by Orionn
Where/What you gettiing the SM465's out of? I have been looking for an new tranny setup, this one sounds like it has possibilities....

peace :D

Check out the rest of the Pirate site you will find Xcelent info, espically this
http://www.pirate4x4.com/images/bible.gif
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/bible/

here is a good site to find info out about the SM 465http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/sm465.htm

I'll go out on the limb..

Granny gears in trannies are old school, and a poor choice if you ask me. Now that we have many gearing choices, I see no need to run a shit ass truck tranny in our vehicles. Have you ever driven an SM465 equipped truck? It's like driving a dump truck compared to a modern transmission. The zuk and toyota manuals are more more enjoyable to use, not just in feel, but also in their better gear spacing.

Why is the 465 popular? they really aren't. They used to be though. they used to be one of the few methods to get lower gearing. Now we put the gearing in the t-case and axles.

Since you are planning on running twin t-cases, I see no need to spend extra money dropping in a 465 when you will see little if any need for the granny gear. I think it takes away from the vehicle actually. Perhaps I am missing something?

This is my opinion on the subject.

Eitherway you go, I think you will be happy with the project. fuel injection is well worth the extra effort.

-Wayne

Now that we have many gearing choices, I see no need to run a shit ass truck tranny in our vehicles. Have you ever driven an SM465 equipped truck? It's like driving a dump truck compared to a modern transmission. The zuk and toyota manuals are more more enjoyable to use, not just in feel, but also in their better gear spacing.

I ran a granny T-18 for years and I AGREE, that old yankee shit is yesterdays news (man I am feeling fiesty tonight).

Originally posted by rotozuk
I'll go out on the limb..

Since you are planning on running twin t-cases, I see no need to spend extra money dropping in a 465 when you will see little if any need for the granny gear. I think it takes away from the vehicle actually. Perhaps I am missing something?

-Wayne

Actually I'm not sure about duals, I have to find total overall length. Why am I using it, well, who else has it? Why not do something different, like your rotary.


Originally posted by scawfish
that old yankee shit


Same as Above, but if you'll also notice I'm from NY, Maybe I like Yankee Shit :flipoff2:

Hey don't get me wrong I ran US iron for a long time, heck I still own yankee junk...including the mother of all yankee junk a V10 Excursion,... but for this application, it aint the hot set-up. The old ruck boxes are heavy, shift like crap, and have huge gaps between gear ratios.

Yankee tcs are even worse, sometimes it would take for ever for me to be able to get my old Dana 20 or 300 out of 4lo. The toy stuff...snick snick and I'm gone, from 115:1 to 1:1. Reality isn't always pretty.

Why am I using it, well, who else has it?

Uh...that would be ME!:D

Originally posted by scwafish


Uh...that would be ME!:D

With the mentioned toy cases & engine? in the Zuk body and frame :p

Originally posted by scwafish
Reality isn't always pretty.

Nope it isnt but neither is a rig after a good day of wheeling, but since my mind is made up that I'm using it, I'll just have to wait till its done to see how "bad" it is, in my combo. Yes I've driven granny geared things before back when it was all about Bigger is Badder and how many crome shocks can you fit :D, but hey, I liked that sound. ;)

Well I was looking at it from a bullit proof standpoint everybody know toy trannys aint exactly the strongest out there. I was also looking at the overall length the 465 is only 12 in anybody know how long the w56 is? I figured witht dual cases and the 465 I would only be about half an inch longer then the stock sammy setup. The reason I want dual case is because I play in the mud and sand alot but also do some trail riding. I also need more power. My other idea was 4.3 th350 and duals but the weight thing scared me. Any ideas Im all up for umm?

Darby

Originally posted by Darby
I figured witht dual cases and the 465 I would only be about half an inch longer then the stock sammy setup. Darby

No, its more then that .. I had it all figured out, but paper and real world dont always go hand in hand. I think it was 3" over dual cased and 3.5" shorter single cased(on paper) I will be starting after Zukimelt when my garage is free again.

Said this many times before...but my toy tranny and dual cases is only about 1.5 inches longer than a stock setup, the main difference is the height of the rear output, which is way the hell up there when marrie dto a zuk motor. If your gonna transplant a toy motor I would set your engines crank c/l a little lower than the zuk crank c/l and it would make it fit better.

Most all of my buddies that dont have a zuk, have a toy, and the trannys are bullet proof behind a four banger, especially in something as light and gutless as a zuk.

BTW-it sounds like a cool project.

Never seen a Toyota dead on the side of the trail becuase of the tranny.. But yes, they are getting old, and are often times in need of a rebuild, but so will your SM.

I think the peanut gallery has made its suggestions, and it sounds like you are going to do what you want.. That is fine.

To me the best answer for a vehicle mod is "becuase I want to" saying you want to do a mod for other reasons is weak. "I want to go faster/slower" "It will allow me to ..." are all poor answers. The builder should do what he wants, as he is the only person that needs to justify it at the end of the day.

-Wayne

Well thanks for the info guys. It looks like I will have a spare toy tranny be available soon so I might look into using it. I will be putting a 4.3 and 700r in my 85 runner so everything is coming out of it. I will measure the tranny this weekend and see if it is close to the right length or so. Also playing with the idea of the 1.6 16valve with more gearing just wonder if could pull the 38 boggers (actual 36 on 8in rim) in the deep muc haved lots of big trucks to make fun of down here.

Darby

Originally posted by Darby

......All Im missing is the tranny myself, but I just got to make a call to one of my buddies I think he has about ten of them. Yall should see his sammy he has small block, auto, np205, 2.5 rockwells and 56in tractor tires with the stock wheel base!

Darby

Do you have any pictures of this beast? I want to see it. I have the pieces and parts to build one too.

Originally posted by rotozuk

To me the best answer for a vehicle mod is "becuase I want to" saying you want to do a mod for other reasons is weak. "I want to go faster/slower" "It will allow me to ..." are all poor answers. The builder should do what he wants, as he is the only person that needs to justify it at the end of the day.
-Wayne

My thoughts exactly

;)