H4 photo, full IS, v6

[BigKofJustice]

http://jalopnik.com/342457/detroit-auto-show-hummer-hx-concept-embargo-totally-fragged

Full IS is a shocker, just like the H1, that surprised the hell out of me.

We'll see more pictures soon, I'd like to see it without the body panels.

[J.Mehoff]

Wow

[BigKofJustice]

The article states full IS, but the pictures show a 4 bar/solid rear setup, it's not clear. I guess we'll see more pictures over the next few days.

[bstott275]

any one else see an fj40 in that?

[makya]

maybe i missed it, but I didn't see where it said it was an h4.

everything I read in the link said it was a concept car.

[forsakenfuture]

Dang...it really doesnt do much for me..just my 2 cents.:(

[BigKofJustice]

maybe i missed it, but I didn't see where it said it was an h4.

everything I read in the link said it was a concept car.

This will wind up as the H4 within 2 years, just the same as the H3T became the H3 minus the nike design interior and tires. AM General and GM isn't going to design another production model hummer from scratch to sell within 2 years without starting a marketing push for it first [the hx].

[Sewie]

The article states full IS, but the pictures show a 4 bar/solid rear setup, it's not clear. I guess we'll see more pictures over the next few days.

It looks like a CV boot in there, no?

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[makya]

if it is an entry level Hummer, I am definitely liking the potential.

[Jaybirdls1]

After looking at some pictures online, I made sure to get a good look at this thing at the Detroit auto show over the weekend. It looks much better in person IMO :smokin: The links in the rear you see from the side are trailing arms, it is full-IS. Also has front and rear lockers! It sure looks like 37s will fit too, I just wonder if the drivetrain would be up to the task.

More pictures here:
http://www.netcarshow.com/hummer/2008-hx_concept/

[Bebe]

Thanks for the report.

I can't wait to see what the production model looks like!

If they are showing it with 35's then it will likely handle 37's.

The H3 came with 33's and we all run 35's with no mods. But it also has a 4:1 and 4:56's.

[jimbo85yoat]

at least it has a place for an iPhone :shaking:

[Sewie]

at least it has a place for an iPhone :shaking:

And your point is? :shaking:

1) It's a concept.

2) How many people nowadays are plugging their iPods into their car stereos?

[SCHooch]

H2o Hummer HX H4 would be sweet!


:laughing:

[fordman1978]

i hope they keep the fox coilovers. id love to snag a set for cheap after somebody wrecks one.

[Bebe]

And your point is? :shaking:

1) It's a concept.

2) How many people nowadays are plugging their iPods into their car stereos?

http://jalopnik.com/346722/detroit-auto-show-hummer-hx-records-off+roading-advertures-directly-to-ipod

And according to this article, you will be able to record your offroad adventures directly to your iPod!!!

Cool technology!

[zj_wheeler]

Wow, looks sweet.

[r0nin89]

Needs solid axles...

[DirtyFun]

at least it has a place for an iPhone :shaking:

And your collection of Sanford & Son cars have no chance of being stolen by Mexicans.

[DirtyFun]

H2o Hummer HX H4 would be sweet!


:laughing:

You mean with all kinds of ugly on it?:flipoff2:

[johnny010]

I would pre-order. This fits me better than any vehicle I have seen in a long time. Wouldn't guzzle gas like some of the larger SUVs, would be capable, fun to take the glass off, looks great, sporty, not the run of the mill Jeep...

Plus, it doesn't give the 'poser' feeling of the H3. Has it's own identity.
NICE.

[HoupPhotography.com]

WHY? So soccer mom's can have 4 options to drive now? I agree, it does look like an FJ, making up your own name (H4) was pretty lame, it's nothing more than a CONCEPT!

[AtlantaK-5er]

Needs solid axles...

Just like the H1 needed solid axles right?

[oldskoolss]

It's just as gay as the H2 and H3. The H1 is the only real hummer. Posermobiles for the other generations of H2 to H10. Look to the future shows the H6 with a 5hp Briggs and Straton motor.

[DirtyFun]

It's just as gay as the H2 and H3. The H1 is the only real hummer. Posermobiles for the other generations of H2 to H10. Look to the future shows the H6 with a 5hp Briggs and Straton motor.

And you're dumb as a box of hammers.

[Stonecoast]

I like the concept :cool: but hate all the plastic covers and shields and crap they strap onto it to make a "clean" look. The only thing I see is a pain in the ass to service :mad3:.

[ramv]

Cool concept....

The GF wants a Vehicross, but a new 2 dr sport ute would be awesome. Especially one using GM parts. Hopefully it will come in price was wise below or close tothe H3. (it would be nice to have a rig between the tow rig and the trail pig for light trail runs and daily driving).

Thinking the 3.6 DI and 6spd manual/automatic choices from the CTS would be nice, and then 4:1 tcase and 4.56 gears would be nice.

[94stepsideford]

It's just as gay as the H2 and H3. The H1 is the only real hummer. Posermobiles for the other generations of H2 to H10. Look to the future shows the H6 with a 5hp Briggs and Straton motor.

:laughing:

Maybe the concept, but the produiction model will have a 15 horse. And handle 49" iroks!!

The only real hummer ever made was the H1. And they axed it in order to create the glorified tahoes. :shaking:

[87 pathy]

Just like the H1 needed solid axles right?

yep:flipoff2:

[ramv]

:laughing:

Maybe the concept, but the produiction model will have a 15 horse. And handle 49" iroks!!

The only real hummer ever made was the H1. And they axed it in order to create the glorified tahoes. :shaking:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=583592

[SCHooch]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=583592


Watch out, its ramv the Hummer Forum police. :shaking:

[sardog12]

I am a Jeep owner who doesn't think that the HX concept is bad. Some say that it looks like a Wrangler and some say that it looks like a FJ, but look at it for what it is. It is a 2 door and is going to resemble both of those. To me, it has the most reseblance to the Jeep Hurricane concept which is to it's credit. There is not much that can be done about that. I like the H1s, don't like the H2s at all, and don't think that the H3s are all that bad, with the exception of the tiny windows, but I would consider driving this. Hopefully, they will keep many of the ideas that they built into the concept if they want this to be more than just a poser. A few things that would concern me, though. The pics show a back seat but no roll cage. Obviously not a safe idea, but is this an oversight or are they figuring on saving money and let the offroaders add one themselves? It looks like you could add bigger tires, but rubbing might be an issue real quick. One of the pics looks like there is not much room when the tire is turned. Also, what about the cost of a lift. IS is not bad for on the road, but it gets pretty expensive to modify. Also, why do they list water fording at 24 in? It looks like it should be able to handle more than that. Must be that they haven't been able to do any real-world testing yet. Also, I am still not a big fan of the wheels being 20". I would have thought a couple of inches smaller would be a little better. With that, it kind of reminds me of the Jeep Icon concept from a few years back.

[TXYeeper]

Looks Like A Cross Between A Fj Cruiser And A Wrangler Still Wont Be Able To Keep Up With My Good Old Yj

[BigKofJustice]

The pics show a back seat but no roll cage. Obviously not a safe idea, but is this an oversight or are they figuring on saving money and let the offroaders add one themselves? It looks like you .

I wouldn't read too much into an HX, it's the concept, they'll have to engineer/water it down a bit to make it practical to make, and to meet safety standards.

The final model will have similar proportions, roll bars, and a simple [easy to clean :) ] interior I'd guess.

[Z71 Bob]

After I wheeled with a guy in a H-1 and he had to be pulled out by a stock Bronco 2 ... I thought it was a joke.... until I saw one on solid axles (no leaking portal hub junk, it had flex, and could actually clear a real size tire) I finally gained respect for them. If GM would take a page from history and see what works, and what people REALLY want, we'd all be happier.

[BigKofJustice]

This is sort of off topic, we're talking about concept vehicles here :).

Yes H1's get stuck like any other truck.

Putting solid axles on an h1 wouldn't work, it defeats the purpose of the design, which is to have a low riding, high static ground clearance vehicle with a low enough center of gravity that you can still meet the slope requirements while carrying a 5000 lb payload. Less bump steer, and more stable over rough terrains at speed.

Lift it in a traditional sense, and you raise your center of gravity, you'll become top heavy. That's why I don't understand guys who build the kit car versions out of steel. They're going for a look rather then the performance of the vehicle as it's intended. Replace the aluminum body with a steel thing, add weight, add solid axles, and a huge lift, and top it off with a low torque gasoline motor and the whole thing is pointless. :shaking:

I get stuck time to time on my h1, but I usually get myself out of it. If I wanted a military spec solid axle truck I'd get an Unimog.

Other then that I think everyone is jumping on the :homer: "Independant suspension sucks" bandwagon. I agree for specific purposes solid axles are better for several things, but the H1 has the toughest Independent suspension setup of any non military truck on the market. To give that up and to put solid axles on it seems kind of silly.

[sardog12]

I wasn't busting on IS, it certainly has it's advantages and disadvantages. But that doesn't mean it is bad. I was simply commenting that, from what I have looked at, it is usually more expensive and difficult to lift an IS correctly. That is not to say that it is bad, though. Even Jeep's Hurricane concept had IS in addition to the 2 Hemis. If they can set this up right, more power to them. I just do prefer the flex of a solid axle myself.

[ron b]

After I wheeled with a guy in a H-1 and he had to be pulled out by a stock Bronco 2 ... I thought it was a joke.... until I saw one on solid axles (no leaking portal hub junk, it had flex, and could actually clear a real size tire) I finally gained respect for them. If GM would take a page from history and see what works, and what people REALLY want, we'd all be happier.

Not sure what you mean by clear a "real size tire" -- oh yeah, your Z71 will clear a 38 stock right?!

As far as the design, every aspect of the shape/performance had a reason...it's purpose built to have at least 16" ground clearance, wide stance to drive in tank tracks and good side-slope capabilities, be able to be stacked 3 high in rail-cars, vertical windshield so sun reflections aren't seen by aircraft, as Kurt mentioned 5000 lb cargo capacity (on base humvee), hi-bias torsen diffs for offroad performance (usually driver error when stuck), easily modded platform for multiple configurations, etc...

It's funny when I run into people who say they are junk -- usually based on maintenance nightmare in the military (20 yr old trucks beat-on by 19 yr olds, hmmm?) or seeing some newby stuck and needing an extraction (gotta learn sometime).

so let's go wheeling -- sure there are places you'd be out-wheeling me...but there are places I'd be out-wheeling you (in my stock truck on 38's). As said by someone here on another thread, a hummer (h1) isn't great at anything...but it's good at everything.

rb

[JonsYJjeep]

I'd wheel it. Something different and new. Hell if it goes into production I'll sell me jeep to get one. That will be the ultimate mall crawler.:smokin:

[offroadjunkie]

My only question is how is hummer as a brand going to meet the gas mileage regulations. Unless that thing pumps out 60mpg i dont know how it will hummer will meet the govt 30 mpg regulation. I mean h2s get 10 and h3s get what 15? Anyone know how they will deal with this?

[Bebe]

The requirements are for GM as a whole. Not just for Hummer.

What they ar trying to change is the fuel economy for the brand so it is more marketable.

And the H3 from the factory gets 20 MPG. The H4 may have a removeable electric engine for added fuel economy, which would make it run in the high 20's low 30's when it is installed.

[offroadjunkie]

h3 gets 20mpg highway. I work with a guy who owns an h3 and he gets average of about 16-18. But i do agree that if they made the brand more fuel efficient it would be much more marketable. If the hummer h2 got 15 mpg or better like most suvs i would consider owning one. but that is what a 50% increase over its current fuel mileage. The h2 will have a really hard time with this because of its box shape and not so gas friendly stance. If the h4 is priced around 25k i will consider buying one. Maybe. Needs to get better fuel mileage than the wrangler for me to consider ditching jeeps.

[winkosmosis]

This is sort of off topic, we're talking about concept vehicles here :).

Yes H1's get stuck like any other truck.

Putting solid axles on an h1 wouldn't work, it defeats the purpose of the design, which is to have a low riding, high static ground clearance vehicle with a low enough center of gravity that you can still meet the slope requirements while carrying a 5000 lb payload. Less bump steer, and more stable over rough terrains at speed.

Lift it in a traditional sense, and you raise your center of gravity, you'll become top heavy. That's why I don't understand guys who build the kit car versions out of steel. They're going for a look rather then the performance of the vehicle as it's intended. Replace the aluminum body with a steel thing, add weight, add solid axles, and a huge lift, and top it off with a low torque gasoline motor and the whole thing is pointless. :shaking:

I get stuck time to time on my h1, but I usually get myself out of it. If I wanted a military spec solid axle truck I'd get an Unimog.

Other then that I think everyone is jumping on the :homer: "Independant suspension sucks" bandwagon. I agree for specific purposes solid axles are better for several things, but the H1 has the toughest Independent suspension setup of any non military truck on the market. To give that up and to put solid axles on it seems kind of silly.

I agree. I used to think independent suspension on a truck was stupid, period. But now I see the value of the indy setup on the Humvees. I think an H4 type vehicle should be fully independent. That way we have two options- A Wrangler with two solid axles, or a little Hummer with full independent.

[stjames151]

so let's go wheeling -- sure there are places you'd be out-wheeling me...but there are places I'd be out-wheeling you (in my stock truck on 38's). As said by someone here on another thread, a hummer (h1) isn't great at anything...but it's good at everything.

rb

No doubt. I ran with a couple H3's the other day, and a couple jeeps about 6 weeks ago. It was very obvious where each of the vehicles had their strong points. In lots of places/obstacles the other rigs would pull away, and there were lots of places/obstacles where we would breeze through and they would struggle or avoid the lines we took. As for the H1 not being great at anything but good at everything, that's government design for you. Each time you introduce another performance requirement, the peak performance in other areas suffers. I would say that overall, I have been really impressed with the truck's capability. When I got it I never intended to take it anywhere really difficult, but the more I drive it the more comfortable I am in really tough spots. Even broken, the truck moves through without asking for help. As for the HX, I think it looks like a "Warthog" *BIG GRIN*. I'd love to own one if they don't fawk it up, but it looks like instead of watering it down, they're not gonna make it. I think that going with the H3t when everyone else is cutting truck production is retarded. Especially when the HX has such potential to be a home run. Not only should they build it, but build it out of AL (like the H1), and Carbon Fiber. It'll be a little pricey-er, but light, strong, and less likely to break panels when you pull them off, or move them in the garage.

[winkosmosis]

I don't play Halo so it reminds me of these

http://www.online-gaming-forums.com/images/bf2142-vehicles/banditvehiclero9.jpg

http://www.online-gaming-forums.com/images/bf2142-vehicles/ocelotvehiclexm8.jpg

[forsakenfuture]

Is the H4 still being considered since GM is rethinking the brand?

[Sewie]

Is the H4 still being considered since GM is rethinking the brand?


Last I heard its on hold.........indefinitely. :(

[rocknbronco]

Needs solid axles and a V8 or good I6:shaking: silly yuppies.

[winkosmosis]

Needs solid axles and a V8 or good I6:shaking: silly yuppies.

Nah, think of it as a dune buggy and the indie suspension will seem appropriate.

[stjames151]

Needs solid axles and a V8 or good I6:shaking: silly yuppies.

If you want a jeep, get a jeep. That's not what this truck is about.

[AtlantaK-5er]

After I wheeled with a guy in a H-1 and he had to be pulled out by a stock Bronco 2 ... I thought it was a joke.... until I saw one on solid axles (no leaking portal hub junk, it had flex, and could actually clear a real size tire) I finally gained respect for them. If GM would take a page from history and see what works, and what people REALLY want, we'd all be happier.

I guess 37x12.50 bone stock, Turbo Diesel w 450 Ft lbs, 2:1 geared hubs, 12,000 lb towing capacity, room for 4 plus all their gear for a two month expedition and 25 years of military experience in the harshest conditions around the world and a newly renewed contract to produce more HMMVW's just can't stack up to a Bronco 2 or a Z71 for that matter. H1's are the pinnacle stock off road vehilce period. That doesnt mean their drivers are as capable...seems to be the case in your story

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/P82903971024x768.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/P8290370-1.jpg

[AtlantaK-5er]

Some more photos from this weekend while you were probably at the mall in your Z71 (I have one as my grocery getter).
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/dsc_8901a_539.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/dsc_8962_187.jpg

[ramv]

If you want a jeep, get a jeep. That's not what this truck is about.



Last time i checked there wasn't a new Jeep that fits that description either. (V8 or solid front axle, your choice).

The Caddy 3.6L does pretty well in the CTS, it would be interesting to see how it does in a truck platform. The LSA would be better though. :flipoff2:

[BigKofJustice]

is that Hummer HX going to be on production or just a concept? looking good!!!

A hummer always amaze me,, especially that picture where it can go under water. what other cars can do that??


It's just a concept. Rumor is theres a production plan in place but like all things in the hummer line, it's in a holding pattern until GM decides what to do with Hummer. Theres a rumor that the H3T isn't in full production yet. Just test/capture vehicles that were sent to a few dealerships for evaluation.

A Hummer [h1/hmmwv] can't really go under water. The Hmmwv with the deep fording kit can do 60" or more in theory if you keep extended the air intake upwards. It's all mechanical and is sealed.

The civilian/commercial Hummer/h1 fording depth is 30 inches on a stock truck. Everything below is that is sealed and vented [driveline parts] and the electrical connectors all use marine connectors. Above that the radio/computer is not sealed so you run the risk of having electrical issues if you start taking on water past a certain point.

[AtlantaK-5er]

Many Civvy H1's have gone 40 plus inches w/o issues. As long as your bow wave stays out of your intake, your duck bill is capped, and you keep moving, you are good up to the top of the hood.

[tigerxj]

Since this thread is about the HX, not the H1, H2, or H3, i'll comment on it.

I dig the quick release fender flares, and the removable panels. No need for cutting anything off, you can just unbutton that shit

[roastbeef]

its still going to lift wheels like its cool...

[leeman1790]

not to bad...i'd drive it

[gemer]

nice ...

[r0nin89]

its still going to lift wheels like its cool...

Lol

See I think its funny when people try to argue IS suspension. Theres ONE thing IS is good for, high speed desert. Thats it, its no good for trails, offcamber situations, rocks, ditches, inclines, nothing. Does it work in many of these situations, and do people manage to get by with it? Yes.

But 9 times out of 10 when IS is pitted against Solids the solid axle rig will out perform. Sorry but its the truth.

The h1 was made for iraq, the desert and ya know what? It does that fucking great. The fact of the matter is its way to wide for lots of trails and just isnt very universal.

[ron b]

a wise man here once said "the H1 isn't great at anything, but it's good at everything."

[ky scrambled]

a wise man here once said "the H1 isn't great at anything, but it's good at everything."

Too bad they dont cost "good" money

[ron b]

h1's can be had for quite a deal nowadays.

[stjames151]

Even if the ride is cheap, the parts to fix it aren't. I have spent more on parts than I spent on the truck, and I do almost all my own repairs

[fatboyf150]

And you're dumb as a box of hammers.

He's as bright as a burned out candle!:flipoff2:

[Barry Hodges]

nice things. keep it up.

[ron b]

Even if the ride is cheap, the parts to fix it aren't. I have spent more on parts than I spent on the truck, and I do almost all my own repairs

but you have to be honest about your truck and what you've done to it...it's no where near stock with a cummings conversion. A properly maintained hummer/humvee may cost a bit more than the average 4x4 but it's not exponentially more.

rb

[Blaine B.]

Looks cheap, apparently the definition of Hummer is changing for the worse year after year.....especially since the demise of the civilian H1.

[jeep937]

I'd have it:D

[4Mogger]

It seems to be more of a "crossover" vehicle than your typical hummer. I wish they had gone after the D90 in function and hummer in form.
The D90 takes up about the same footprint and size while providing a lot of interior room and seating for up to 6 people. I can't really see more than 2 adults and two squished kids in that vehicle. It may handle better on the street than a solid axle rig and the clearance is nice. It would be a great vehicle for 2 people to take skiing-- how about a H1 portal swap and some 40 in tires... now that would be a real hummer.

[Bebe]

I can't really see more than 2 adults and two squished kids in that vehicle. It may handle better on the street than a solid axle rig and the clearance is nice. It would be a great vehicle for 2 people to take skiing-- how about a H1 portal swap and some 40 in tires... now that would be a real hummer.

Kinda like a Jeep or a 4Runner?

It's meant to be competitive with the Wrangler. The H2 can seat 5+2 (with a rear add in seat) and is far more comfortable and dare I say as capable than a D-90 (both in stock form) with the right driver behind the wheel.

[Blue_blooded]

any one else see an fj40 in that?

Totally!!

[breckboardder55]

Looks interesting... Maybe they are going to use the Camaro's 300hp V-6

I had a friend that wheeled an H3 on 35"s for a while. Had the I-5, never saw over 17mpg. When he first for it, he thought it was the shit. Several wheeling trips later, specifically Clayton; he realized it was not what he was looking for, he traded it in on a Ram to tow with. And is now looking for a Jeep as a wheeling rig. It was a comfortable vehicle, that I suppose was fairly capable in stock form, girls liked it too.