The first Project will be to Map the routes we are interested in keeping, and to map the routes we will help close.

We will meet at Greenhorn/Red Dog Bluff at 10 AM Sunday January 27th.

There are so many areas at Greenhorn, that some local expertise is needed.

(This means you Clamper):D

First project is to map BLM's areas. This is the area we need to file an Appeal to the Record of Decision on ASAP.

Lowell Hill
Chalk Bluff
Steep Hollow
Poore Mine
Red Dog (old town)
Star Mine


Pretty much every thing in the gold area on this map

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff97/hummbeebee/BLMGHPBB.jpg

We'll divide the area into 5 sections. We will need 2 or 3 rigs in each of the 5 groups. At least one with GPS ability, and one with a local expert on the area.Passengers will be note takers, on what we find in the area. Don't forget your cameras, as we will be logging this info and giving it to BLM.

Please sign up, and note the area you have the most experience with, and the area you would like to explore.

Please also note if you have GPS ability.

A couple of Motorcycles/ATV's would be great too.

Thanks!!!

Bebe

I have a 96 xj with 3" lift and 31" tires. I've never been up that way, but if you thinks its capable I'll go.

I have a 96 xj with 3" lift and 31" tires. I've never been up that way, but if you thinks its capable I'll go.

That's fine, if the H3 can make it, so can you.

We'll just have to keep you off the hillclimbs:D

Thank you!

GPS?

I'd like to go but i don't want to be a boss or anything.

What are we looking for on these trails? skill level, historical value, etc?

EDIT: I have a GPS, its old though

Trail location
Skill level
Environmental Impact (if any)
Loop?
One Way?
Does it cross Private Property?
Signing Trail heads
Naming Trail heads?

We will also be scouting for trash areas for the next clean-up.

No bosses this time.Just folks who know the areas.

I will ask "Buster" to join us as well.

my experience with all those places are low, steep hollow/lowell hill i've never gone past the bridge area and all the other ones i've never really heard of those names.
I want to go with more experienced 4wheelers so i can learn to trust my jeep more and i don't think i can do that without someone who is in front of me or behind me that can pull me out if i get stuck. I can help map and GPS and my GF will write stuff down.

my experience with all those places are low, steep hollow/lowell hill i've never gone past the bridge area and all the other ones i've never really heard of those names.

I want to go with more experienced 4wheelers so i can learn to trust my jeep more and i don't think i can do that without someone who is in front of me or behind me that can pull me out if i get stuck. I can help map and GPS and my GF will write stuff down.

Requests noted.:D

Thank you.

thanks I'll be there. Ya I have gps. I have never been so I need directions

thanks I'll be there. Ya I have gps. I have never been so I need directions

Where are you coming from?

the bay area

So take 80 East to 49 North to Grass Valley/ Nevada City

Take the Sacramento Street exit in Nevada City

Go straight past the Chevron Station (last stop for gas)

At the next intersection veer right onto Boulder St.

Boulder turns into Red Dog Rd.

Stay on Red Dog Rd.

Red Dog Rd ends. Turn Right on Banner Lava Cap

You will see Red Dog signs in about 100 feet, turn Left on Red Dog.

Follow it until you see at the Creekbed in front of you.


We will be on your left (Called Red Dog bluff).

10 AM

When you pass Hwy 65 off I-80 (Rocklin/Roseville), it will take you aout 1:15 mins to get to Greenhorn Creek.

thanks. Should I pack lunch. I'm guessing theres no restaurant or in n out on the trail

Yes, pack a lunch.

There is a drive through Starbucks on Combie Rd. and Hwy 49....that's always my first stop :D

thanks. how many people do you expect?

thanks. how many people do you expect?

I'm hoping for 15 rigs, 30 people.

i am looking forward to this, i like exploring and have been meaning to do some down there but i don't like doing it alone in case i get stuck

I'd like to help out. As long as I don't end up working. But I don't know the area that well. I have a hand held GPS

I'm going to try to make it (it's my old lady's birthday party on the 26th) but I should be able to make it. I have a new GPS and some expierence with the area and would like to help out.

i will try to make it I don't think anything is going on for me that weekend. I know the area pretty well... although I am still finding things I never knew about every time I go.

I will try to be there. I have a 4wd, dirt bike, handheld GPS, and am very familar with most of the area, but there are still lots and lots I haven't explored yet (and may never get to! :mad: ).

For the most part you guys don't need to worry much about getting stuck.

We should really try to get the AMA??? and Nevada County Woods Riders in on this. There is a ton of single track out there that I'm not as familiar with and that I'm sure we/they would like to keep too. The dirt bikes can cover a lot of area very quickly as well. The more stuff we map, the more stuff we're likely to get to keep if they make their cuts somewhat percentage-wise.

Also, Saturdays are usually better for me, FWIW but I can usually make Sundays work.

Working with DirtyDave and maybe even Thumper Doug from Nevada County Woods Riders. Adam Batchelder from NCWR is working with us too.

Awesome. :cool2:

I'm going to try to make it (it's my old lady's birthday party on the 26th) but I should be able to make it. I have a new GPS and some expierence with the area and would like to help out.

If you go i'd like to be in your group.

I know there isn't much chance of getting stuck down there but last time i tried climbing the road to get to the rest of the greenhorn creek area i couldn't, it happened twice. Those two incidents happened when i had bald tires ( i have new ones now) but its kinda made me wonder if my driving sucks or if my 4wheel drive is broken. I guess i've just become a pussy LOL
This fire season i am going to invest in lockers (finally) and maybe a winch.

i know the chalk bluff area pretty well i have a old garmin i can try to find

I live about 10 minutes down the road from there, i'll definately show up. and i have a gps that i basically know how to use, probably going to be in my 2001 chevy silverado all stock. i'll bring a couple of friends, i'd like to be in a group with a couple others because i know a lot of places up there.

also, you guys would be amazed at how much of green horn you can get to with just a stock vehicle and A/T tires

I'll make an announcement with my friends at school to all who have dirt bikes and gps's to use and i'm sure i'll get a couple to come out and help

is there a good place to stay near by. Since I live in the bay area I didn't want to drive up that morning.

is there a good place to stay near by. Since I live in the bay area I didn't want to drive up that morning.

there's a new holiday inn right off the freeway in downtown. or you could camp...however i don't suggest that because it's really cold up here, below 30 at night. if you stayed at the holiday inn i could meet you there in the morning and then you could follow me up.

is that in Nevada City? Sure that'd be great since I've never been before. It would make sure I didn't get lost.

no that would be in grass valley, basically everyone in these two towns (grass valley/nevada city) all live in the same place. everything is always 10 to 20 minutes drive.

http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/ex/1/en/hotel/gsvca

that's the link to a page that gives the address to it and shows some pictures i guess, just the first google search result that came up

and two of my friends just said they'd be there with trucks and gps's and cameras

What time do you wanna meet? I think bebe said it starts at ten.

I'll make an announcement with my friends at school to all who have dirt bikes and gps's to use and i'm sure i'll get a couple to come out and help

Also, keep in mind this type of event/work day can go towards your community service graduation requirement.

Bring the form and I''l sign off hours for those that come out and work with us!

yeah, we don't have any requirement for community service to graduate. unless someone's teacher has it specifically for their class, well you've got 3 more coming so you know bebe and for sure two of us have gps's and cameras

This is John from MotherLode Dualsport.com. We will be there with a few riders and GPS. This is a great area and if we can keep any of it open it's well worth the effort. see ya sunday.

This is John from MotherLode Dualsport.com. We will be there with a few riders and GPS. This is a great area and if we can keep any of it open it's well worth the effort. see ya sunday.

Right ON John.

Thank you for your support!!!:D

If anyone is interested we (motherlode dualsport) are meeting at moms restraunt(on the frontage rd. before the colfax exit at 8:00 for breakfast. John

to anyone going and doesn't know their way up. i'm going to meet 4h 4x4 at the Holiday Inn at 9:30. if ya'll want to follow me up i'll lead you up there if you need help.

if anyone gets lost on the way up you can call me 530-798-8908. i know this area very well and i'll try to keep in cell service until we all go through the river at greenhorn

If anyone is interested we (motherlode dualsport) are meeting at moms restraunt(on the frontage rd. before the colfax exit at 8:00 for breakfast. John

Thanks for the offer,we'll let you know Friday if e can make it :D

I heard its gonna be snowing up that way for the next couple days. Is there any threat of getting snowed out. If it does snow and we go how bad could it be?

I heard its gonna be snowing up that way for the next couple days. Is there any threat of getting snowed out. If it does snow and we go how bad could it be?

If it does snow, it usually doesn't last, but it could be muddy....mud is fun:D

If it does snow, it usually doesn't last, but it could be muddy....mud is fun:D

Jacquelyne, you have issues:laughing:

Jacquelyne, you have issues:laughing:
ya think?:flipoff2:

For anyone who's comming in Hwy 174 I'll be at the corner of 174 and Youbet. ( I live there) For anyone who's unsure of how to get there.

Its supposed to snow/rain for the next 5 days, all the way through sunday.
Its snowing pretty hard right now here at my house.

It's not going to do much...It'll just make it more fun.

Its supposed to snow/rain for the next 5 days, all the way through sunday.
Its snowing pretty hard right now here at my house.

I'll be there in my rain suit. Weather like this makes for an interesting time not having a windshield, roof, doors, or heater.:laughing:

that's why i'm taking my chevy up instead of the old flat fender willys. that and it has the snow plow mounted on the front to clear the short road i live on.

ya think?:flipoff2:
:laughing:

its up in the air if i'll be there now :( Drove the jeep to the gym tonight and it was acting up. Almost didn't make it up my driveway, its hesitating and acting like it has no power :(
I had to put a new cat and muffler on it last week so maybe my computer just needs to reset. I am going to drive it to my fire station tomorrow and see what it does.
I'll let you know if i'll be there or not bebe
Dana

If you go i'd like to be in your group.

I know there isn't much chance of getting stuck down there but last time i tried climbing the road to get to the rest of the greenhorn creek area i couldn't, it happened twice. Those two incidents happened when i had bald tires ( i have new ones now) but its kinda made me wonder if my driving sucks or if my 4wheel drive is broken. I guess i've just become a pussy LOL
This fire season i am going to invest in lockers (finally) and maybe a winch.

Did you air down? It makes a HUGE difference, especially in the loose gravel.

Lockers will also make a huge difference in traction... so much that you'll probably start breaking axles. Carry spares. :D

Did you air down? It makes a HUGE difference, especially in the loose gravel.

Lockers will also make a huge difference in traction... so much that you'll probably start breaking axles. Carry spares. :D

Yeah i air down, My old tires seemed to air down better than my new ones. The new ones are more stiffer so i think i have to air down more than i did with my old ones.
I hope to be there, i am going to go drive my Jeep in a few and i hope whatever is wrong with it goes away or i can figure it out before then. I have EFI crap now.:mad3:

I'll definitely be there, since I live 5 minutes up the road. No GPS, but I know the area quite well so if someone needs a seat and has GPS, they are more than welcome.

Cobra 5.0.... where did you get your last gas? Been some funky fill ups for me lately, might try some fuel dryer. If you need a ride, let me know.

Snow in the Greenhorn usually isn't a problem too much, but ice on the paved roads getting there is. Be sure and take your time and watch for the deadly black ice. Airing down and 4x4 don't buy you much when it feels like your a bar of soap on the bottom of a wet bathtub. All that helps is slowing way-the-fawk-down. Its actually safer on the roads if there is a bit of snow.

Looking forward to meeting everyone and helping.

Went to Foresthill today to see my captain and get some pro-deal info for a rifle scope i want to buy. The Jeep backfired and hesitated when i'd floor it :( I got a EVP code and my fuel pressure isn't right. Going to adjust the pressure tomorrow and clean the EGR and hope that fixes whatever is going on.

Where do you buy gas Screwzer?

If someone could drive the road in from banner that would be awesome on like saturday night because I know that it's going to get icy and I would greatly appreciate it if I could know whether or not I'm going to make it out without chaining up on Sunday. I am, after all, in a stock Chevy with all terrains

I am not sure what way in you go through banner but if you are going in threw red dog or you bet you will not have a problem. I would never think twice about chaining up my Tacoma to go out there. With that said I will be out there with my 39.5" TSL's.;) But I will be towing all the way there.

I think it'll be fine, there isn't enough snow to really worry about. Plus we're meeting at 10, by then there wont be problem with the ice. The county guys sand the hell out of the roads around there, I wouldn't worry to much about it.

alright well, i'll be out the unconditionally as long as other people promise to come down and help too.

OK Going down my driveway to go to the gym tonight, hit some black ice and did a 180. Almost went off the cliffs and i had to hold the brake down and lift the clutch in reverse and it sat there and spun the tires :( I finally got it to pull back from the edge but its sitting in the ditch. I looked and i don't think my 4 wheel drive is working, there no evidence of the front wheels spinning when i had it in the mud/snow. I can see where my rear tires were spinning on my driveway. If the front wheels were working i would have pulled away from the cliff no problem.
Would i know if maybe something is broken in my front axles? I am 100% sure it was in 4wheel low going down my hill.
I don't think i'll be going on sunday, everything bad is happening to me right now with my Jeep. :(

If it'll make ya feel better I'll bring the civic down there...:flipoff2:

Just kiddin man...

alright well, i'll be out the unconditionally as long as other people promise to come down and help too.

Thats what were all about! I'll be the coldest one there.:D

How long will we be out there?

As long as it takes to map out what is needed, I would imagine.

I'm thinking if we have enough rigs, we should be done around 2PM. Pack a lunch, snacks, and don't forget Water!

I won't be going :(
Jeeps going into the shop. Front axle isn't locking up in 4 wheel drive.

I won't be going :(
Jeeps going into the shop. Front axle isn't locking up in 4 wheel drive.


Bummer....thanks for letting us know. :( Hope it's a cheap fix.)

Bummer....thanks for letting us know. :( Hope it's a cheap fix.)

i hope so too but when i was getting it out of the ditch the frontend was making some cracking noises :(

Atleast i know why i couldn't climb anything last time i was in Greenhorn.

i hope so too but when i was getting it out of the ditch the frontend was making some cracking noises :(

Atleast i know why i couldn't climb anything last time i was in Greenhorn.

Hey Cobra, let me know if you want a seat. I live up in the shores and have an xtra seat.

Weather Update:
We had a warm front come in las night with Portland-style drizzle rain. Good news is there's no ice and the snow is pretty well knocked down. I can see the dirt on the ground at my house for the first time in two weeks.

I've got an open seat as well..

Hey, might I be able to score a ride with someone with an open seat tomorrow tomorrow? I think the river is going to be a little to high for my liking in a stock vehicle.

4h 4x4. If you read this I'll still meet you at the holiday inn at 9:30 and lead you up there but i think I'm just going to park at the edge of the bluff by the river and then ride with someone else if it's ok with them.

Thanks for the offers guys. I guess i checked the website a little late :( I hope you are all having fun down there.
My driverside locking hub is broken, i should be getting some new hubs tomorrow:smokin:

cobra the mapping today was awesome, we had some slight problems in the snow on buckeye but it wasn't too bad, lol. too bad you couldn't come out, next time you will have to come

Agreed, it was awesome, saw some things that I never knew were even out there. Covered alot of teritory, hopfully it makes a difference.

Did you guys see any mining equipment or mines?
I wish i could have gone, was it pretty easy trails?

i didn't see anything, but word to the wise, don't go all the way up buckeye unless you're prepared to run into some snowy conditions

We saw mine shafts, huge old equipment, lots of cool old stuff.

We saw mine shafts, huge old equipment, lots of cool old stuff.

let me know which way you guys went, once my jeep is driving again i wanna go exploring that stuff.

The mapping was hella fun. Thanks erik415 for showing me the way. I'm hella looking forward for the next one. I'll try to bring friends to help out.

friends of yours to help dig you out from the snow next time? sounds like a plan (jk)

it's what we love doing, maybe not the getting stuck part though

Did you guys get all of the mapping done?

Damn, I wish I had know this was going on. I havnt logged on P4x4 for a while. Could have met you at greenhorn and helped out :(

Did you guys map everything you needed to???

Did you guys get all of the mapping done?

Barely scratched the surface! :eek:

We could go out every weekend for months and not get everything. There were trails all over that weren't on the map along with the all the trails that are on the map. It was crazy how much is really out there.

We could go out every weekend for months and not get everything. There were trails all over that weren't on the map along with the all the trails that are on the map. It was crazy how much is really out there.

X2

we have two more days scheduled!

I can't wait to see what everyone got.

Thank you Brian, Rick K., Erik B, and Screwzer for showing us around. And thanks to all who showed to help.

My favorite was the cemetery.

The snow run sounds like it was fun!!!

I was also impressed with how clean the place was.....now I know why :D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7796491&postcount=205

Thanks Wade and Adam :D

Well I had fun yesterday trying to find all of you. I went to start my Jeep on Saturday and found out the battery was dead. So I threw it on the charger. Yesterday morning I put it in the Jeep and it would not start. I grabbed the battery out of the old tow rig and it was dead also. I hooked up the jumper cables but it still did not want to start. finally after about 45 min it started. I headed to Rebies to get a new battery and headed out to greenhorn. I got out there about 11 and started looking for all of you. every person I saw said they saw a group and told me were so I headed in that direction. After covering most of the area I know including going to the washed out bridge on Lowlle Hill I headed home about 4 pm. Sorry I could not help, there is always next time.

We could go out every weekend for months and not get everything. There were trails all over that weren't on the map along with the all the trails that are on the map. It was crazy how much is really out there.

Thanks to all of you that showed up in the rain to help with this.

you know theres alot out there when the locals find new places:D

42s and myself found Bebe some mud on the sidehill of a dead end bluff above a water canal :eek:

Nice story...:flipoff2: (it was cold, rainy, just didn't wanna fuggen go) Is what I heard.
Just kiddin man, must have just missed ya in a couple places. I got back to my house about 5:15 ish.

Yep, it was a blast showing everyone my neighborhood. If it hadn't been raining so much, we would have stopped at several mines we passed along the way, and I could have showed you around. Once we started to climb Buckeye and hit the 3800' mark, the snow kinda made mapping the side trails pretty much impossible.

Lots of fun in the snow. I think the run Bebe took actually would have been easier.

Did you guys get all the way to Dutch Flat?

We returned to the meeting spot at about 3:30 but figured ya'll had split by then. Our little 3 hour tour took longer than expected.:grinpimp:

We got to Secret town road, at the power house. We ran into alot of gated off roads. We got back to the meeting spot about 4ish. Then went to the cemetary (sp) and played around there.

Nice story...:flipoff2: (it was cold, rainy, just didn't wanna fuggen go) Is what I heard.
Just kiddin man, must have just missed ya in a couple places. I got back to my house about 5:15 ish.

:flipoff2::flipoff2: I guess I deserved that. Trust me I would have felt better sitting in my rig soaked covered in mud and water in your group instead of by myself wandering around. It was cold and wet but still fun. I wish I would have been with you guys It sounds like you had fun. If I did not trailer and just drove from my house in Gold Run I think I would have met you guy by the washed out bridge.

We got to Secret town road, at the power house. We ran into alot of gated off roads. We got back to the meeting spot about 4ish. Then went to the cemetary (sp) and played around there.

well damn then, just missed ya. Too damn soggy to stay around and wait for ya though. we were beginning to feel like ducks.

We should have captured a good amount of data on Buckeye Rd. which we took to Chalk Bluff. We also took the right fork on the Cemetery road which took us to a nice overlook of the Red Dog Diggins, although you couldn't see it (the mining park is YouBet Diggins I believe).

Too much snow on Buckeye to take many side trails.

what's the dealio on uploading data?

what's the dealio on uploading data?


I'll pm you with Rick Krauses e-mail address......

When is next trip dates? I have real good garmin.

Bookmark this:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=648132

And join here...

http://groups.google.com/group/friends-of-greenhorn

Had a great time riding with you guys, since it was my first wheelin' here in a long time.


Now I gotta get my Burb built and attempt to keep it from looking like the one we found on the trail.

My GPS must be too old, it ran out of memory quickly and became worthless. Guess it's time for an upgrade.

I had a good time also. Too bad we spent so much time up on buck eye, would have liked to get to more trails. Yeah that saburben with the cummins didnt look in good shape after his tumble. I look forward to going agin, it was fun.

Thanks for joining us!

We have 2 more days set for mapping, see above links



Bebe

Had a great time riding with you guys, since it was my first wheelin' here in a long time.


Now I gotta get my Burb built and attempt to keep it from looking like the one we found on the trail.

My GPS must be too old, it ran out of memory quickly and became worthless. Guess it's time for an upgrade.

there was an abandoned suburban?

Not abandoned, rolled and in the process of being recovered by its owner.

They got it out, no problems.

Jeep is fixed! :) Just drove it home. HELLA snow on the ground. Almost a foot here at my house. I didn't make it up the driveway though, driveway is slick :(

signed up with F.O.G.