Steering issues! Will not turn at all.

[tricky0217]

I just recently swap out my 44's for some 60's. Currently I can not turn the front axle with the factory steering. Just to give some back ground its a chevy 60 soa on 4" springs. I can turn the knuckles by hand just fine with tire mounted. The steering is crossover 1.5" dom with 3/4 heims for draglink and tie rod with factory box and pitman arm. Heims are stacked on each other on passanger side with a high misalign on the drag link. Its like it's binding up somewhere but all heims move freely. I'm not sure the angle of the draglink but all I can come up with is the angle is to great and its trying to push down verses side to side. I need to resolve this issue before I put hydro assit on it so its right. Will a 4" drop pitman arm help any or am I just spinning my wheels.
Any suggestions?

[NVScouter]

Scout 80/800, ScoutII, Travelall?

Got a pic?

[tricky0217]

I'll take and post some tomarrow.

[Kc J]

Did you check the power steering fluid level ?

[scout254]

Got a pic?

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[REDDMANIAC]

unbolt the rod to pitman and see if it moves any...etc

[james west]

rag joint...checkit

[Binder]

Any suggestions?

If you can't figure this out you probably shouldn't be doing these kind of modifications.

[tricky0217]

steering turns fine with out anything attached and worked perfectly with old set up, fluid level is fine and the rag joint has been replaced with borgenson joints and shaft.

[tricky0217]

ok here are some pics of the steering. ok took weight off tires and it turns freely with no problems. I went ahead and ordered some kingpin rebuild kits (but everything looked ok) and a dropped pitman arm so I can elimnate the 1" spacer.


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[Kc J]

Get a shorter pitman arm and a longer quality steering arm .

[binderbound]

Get a shorter pitman arm and a longer quality steering arm .

Judging by his 'quality' rod ends, I would say he has no $$ for either of the above. At least he had $$ in the budget for green paint.

[Jeepdude_Jay]

Repeat of above but, your pitman arm is way too short and your hi-steer arms are way too short.

[NVScouter]

Any of that green wearing off to show you rubbing? If those are 35's it should turn weight on or off. Do you have the PS hooked up and running?

[tricky0217]

what rod end would you recommand. Those are 3/4 aurora rod ends.

[binderbound]

what rod end would you recommand. Those are 3/4 aurora rod ends.

Something with misalignment capability. The one on your pitman arm looks almost fully used up and your sitting level. This is a JMXL16 from FK. Its 3/4x3/4 high misalignment. 37* of movement.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4383/joint3xl9.jpg

but thats not the source of your problem(just a problem later). The leverage is too much. That long ass pitman arm trying to move that short ass high steer arm. Take the $$ you saved buying cheap rod ends and buy some decent high steer arms and a wagoneer pitman arm. Also, buy a front driveshaft:rolleyes:

[R290]

Get a shorter pitman arm and a longer quality steering arm .


Yep, your at a mechanical disadvantage with the pitman arm longer than the steering arm. It's a GM box so shorther arms are easy to find, sounds like you ordered a drop version, which will be shorter as nobody but IH had those long arms.

As for the drag link/tie rod rubbing I don;t see any paint scuffs, but it looks close for sure. Don't forget to post a pic once the new arm arrives

[tricky0217]

Ok got my new drop pitman arm in and high misalign spacers. Still waiting on new arms. Will post up pics asap of the new hardware.

[sperkinsnwfl]

damn scout junk old rusty beater why dont you paint the whole truck green and put some pink pokadots on it

[NVScouter]

damn scout junk old rusty beater why dont you paint the whole truck green and put some pink pokadots on it

OR.....................you can STFU :rainbow:

So since this was brought back to the top by BJ McLuvsdacawk ever get those parts/pics and get it working?

[Old Scout]

damn scout junk old rusty beater why dont you paint the whole truck green and put some pink pokadots on it

Better get some practice in, you may have band practice coming your way. :laughing::flipoff2:

[472Scout]

ok here are some pics of the steering. ok took weight off tires and it turns freely with no problems.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Tricky0217/Picture064.jpg


Tricky, that's a lot of leverage on that bolt.

If it turns fine without the weight on it I would guess you have a pump pressure issue.

[Urban Wheeler]

What kind of high steer arms are those anyway? The do look awfully short.

Also, put the tie rod under and drag link on top, takes leverage off the bolt.

[tricky0217]

Yeah I got the parts in, just havent had time to install them yet been to busy for the past few months with other projects and my new toy. Plan to work on it this weekend. I will post up some pics once its done. Originally I tried to put rod under arms and drag on top but the springs are in the way. I guess i could of got a 1" spacer and put it under the arms and it may have solved the problem. We will see what happens this weekend.

[tricky0217]

I finally will have time this weekend to put onmy bling and finally make all this work together.

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The shoe is for size reference it's a 13 the arms are huge and very beefy. I got them from Ballistic Fabs. I'll get them installed tomarrow and post some pics.

[Blind Driver]

Wow, the stuff I got from PartsMike doesn't look nearly as purtie :(

[tricky0217]

got them installed and they sure look purtie!!! I post up pics soon with it all complete.

[Blind Driver]

got them installed and they sure look purtie!!! I post up pics soon with it all complete.

But do they work? :homer:

[tricky0217]

Yes they work just great. The original one were just to short. It fixed all my steering issues.

[tricky0217]

Well the new arms work great. It will turn without rolling on pavemanet. I would like to thank all of those for their input for steering me in the right direction. These arms work great and are from Ballistic Fabs, very beefy.
All I need to do now is tear it all back down clean and paint it all so it want rust.


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[scout254]

All I need to do now is tear it all back down clean and paint it all so it want rust.



Just not Limmy Green please :barf:

[war pony]

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[tricky0217]

What green is great. They gotta be green, black is just to dull and it matches.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Tricky0217/Picture069.jpg

[MochaMike]

I prefer Ace Rattlecan IH Green (seriously! that is what it is called)....

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