Best Expeditin-type vehicle???

[The Adam Blaster]

If you were planning a trip around the world, what vehicle would you use?
And it would of course be taken across mostly main roads and highways, but you would inevitably hit some sloppy/rough conditions in third-world countries.

And it has to be a NEW vehicle, because you would be planning on getting the vehicles sponsored by the manufacturer. ;)


EDIT/UPDATE Feb 8/08 --- Ok, so i'm still obviously in the research phase here, i'm sure i will be for quite a while... But the trip i really want to do is from the northernmost point in Canada, or maybe even Alaska, all the way down to the southern most point of S. America.
I did some digging into the area around the Panama Canal because i heard you can't drive through the region.
Apparently it's called the "Darien Gap". It is basically a swamp that runs for about 80 miles and is "near" impassable. A few people have tried, and less have actually been successful.
I will have to get on a cargo ship, or load it into a sea container.
So, i think i'm going to need a vehicle that fits in a container, but i have no idea what the interior dimensions are???
But, that will be a limiting factor in the vehicle i can choose...


EDIT/UPDATE Feb. 17/08 -- I think i will try to accomplish what the "Earth Roamer" company did with a 3/4 ton p/u and camper hybrid type thing. Except, instead of using the 3/4 ton, I'd like to use a 1 ton, or maybe even the larger "light" trucks that are out there, all 3 US manufacturers have choices now. GM has the C4500+5500, Ford has the F450 +550, and Dodge has gotten into the game wit hthe Ram 4500+5500.
On the Canadian websites though, Dodge is the only one i can find a price on...
Looks like it would be about $60,000 for the quad-cab and chassis which is what i wqould mate a slide-in camper to.

[rugger]

If you were planning a trip around the world, what vehicle would you use?
And it would of course be taken across mostly main roads and highways, but you would inevitably hit some sloppy/rough conditions in third-world countries.

And it has to be a NEW vehicle, because you would be planning on getting the vehicles sponsored by the manufacturer. ;)

That's a tough one. I'd personally go with an '80 toyota. There are probably more of those bastads around the world than anything else. Parts are available anywhere. If your sponsor is willing to drop ship any parts that you'll need then that is different. I'd probably pick a Rubi since they're probably one of the more capable vehicles off of the production line.

[Bondage]

I think it would depend on the route taken, then select the best dealer network as field repairs will be limited.

[Bondage]

That's a tough one. I'd personally go with an '80 toyota. There are probably more of those bastads around the world than anything else. Parts are available anywhere. If your sponsor is willing to drop ship any parts that you'll need then that is different. I'd probably pick a Rubi since they're probably one of the more capable vehicles off of the production line.

Pay attention noob, it has to be noo.:flipoff2:

[ironpig70]

as mentioned a landcruiser, and a diesel one at that. would need to completly go thru said rig and modify any weak points and add alot of goodies.

[The Adam Blaster]

I was thinking Toyota as well, the new FJ Cruiser.
What i would be pushing with the manufacturer is that they could use the vehicle as a show-piece praising and recognizing the vehicle's durability and it's "go-anywhere" ability.

[The Adam Blaster]

Maybe even a crew cab p/u to be able to hold all the extra gear.
I think i would want to have a pretty solid cap over the bed to add security though.

[sceep]

this one, with a camper.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Camion_dakar.jpg

[Roc Doc]

A ROW diesel Toyota Landcruiser. Solid axles, stout, and parts availablity.

[BigWesWV]

Dodge Ram PowerWagon - Lockers and disconnects, 33inch tires, winch and can haul all your stuff.

[The Adam Blaster]

A ROW diesel Toyota Landcruiser...

Explain?

[PTSchram]

I was thinking Toyota as well, the new FJ Cruiser.


You obviously haven't read any of the reports of the FJ's ripping apart as the structural components are apparently sheetmetal that tears when even slightly beaten on.

[Phonedoc]

BMW R1150GS. :smokin::grinpimp:

[Roc Doc]

Explain?

Non USA = Rest Of World. (I know it sounds like typical American conceit, but that's what Porsche called all of their cars that were not bound for the US).

[Old Scout]

It's been done! :flipoff2:
http://drivearoundtheworld.com/index.html

[The Adam Blaster]

Thanks for the clarification Doc. ;)

And i would love to do the trip on a bike, but i have a paralysed right arm from riding a bike, so that option is out. :laughing:

[The Adam Blaster]

It's been done! :flipoff2:
http://drivearoundtheworld.com/index.html

Not by me. ;)

[ecvMatt]

If you were planning a trip around the world, what vehicle would you use?



Best vehicle for travelling around the world.....:flipoff2:

[The Adam Blaster]

Best vehicle for travelling around the world.....:flipoff2:

How does it handle rocks and mud though?

[Bebe]

HUMMER!!!!

Like nothing else :flipoff2:

[Del taco]

this one, with a camper.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Camion_dakar.jpg

my vote too.

it fun too, especially when the trek is from the den to the backyard cactus garden.

http://www.hungates.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/186100084f.jpg

[Jesus H. Christ]

I drove around the world and I I I... I couldn't find my babaayyy. :(

[Roc Doc]

HUMMER!!!!

Like nothing else :flipoff2:

No, not like a Chevy truck, or Tahoe, or Avalance, or Suburban, or Colorado, or Blazer...

[usmcdoc14]

this in diesel
http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-jp_first_photos/img_9773_std.jpg

smaller, solid axles

[Old Scout]

Not by me. ;)

Here is the contact for Rover:
Deborah Sanford
(949) 341-6184
dsanfor@landrover.com

[Mikel]

:D

http://www.anguera.com/galeria/imatges/genealogia/citroen1922g.jpg

This is the very first motor vehicle to cross the Sahara, in 1922.

[Kurtuleas]

:D

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j222/kurtuleas/wiener.jpg

[Mo]

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/United/Salute/Abrams.jpg

[The Adam Blaster]

Here is the contact for Rover:
Deborah Sanford
(949) 341-6184
dsanfor@landrover.com

Thanks man!

[fullygruntled]

After seeing a variety of vehicles including Jeeps, Toyotas, Rovers, etc. in action over just a 300mi stretch of 3rd world road, I'd say a Nissan Patrol DX.

Of course, the 80's 4wd Tercels got around pretty damn invincably :laughing:

[Old Scout]

http://www.unicatamericas.com/photos.html

[Haole]

i would have said a Tatra 813 with Cummins thrown in, but you qualifiied it with new. So I'd say a MAN 8x8.

[AzHobbes]

http://www.bajataco.com/bajataco.html

This one is setup pretty nicely.. one of my favorites by far..



AzHobbes

[sceep]

pic

oooh.... nice.

[MossMan]

my vote is with the XV-JP or the UniCat :smokin:

[RPJ]

http://www.unicatamericas.com/photos.html

nice :smokin:

But how the hell are you going to drive that over this: :flipoff2:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l19/jackthelurker/africa20051119734940e1054.jpg

I know it's not an option since it isn't sold in the US, but a land rover defender 110 or 130 is absolutely the best expedition vehicle that's still being sold new.

edit: pic wasn't loading properly

[Priest]

lots of info here...

http://www.earthroamer.com/index.html

[FJAggie07]

I would say a new 70 Series Toyota LandCruiser

Something like this...

[fledgling666]

one of Alby Mangels' jeeps he left stuck in the mud in the Amazon Rain Forest.

nah... an F250 with a camper top, diesel, extra fuel tank, winch, little lift, big tires, etc. doesn't need to be a rolling mansion, or a hardcore off-roader.

[White Shark]

It's been done! :flipoff2:
http://drivearoundtheworld.com/index.html

Not even close to Emil & Liliana Schmid though, who didn't need an entourage, factory mechanics, factory parts support and factory $$$$. They hold the world expedition record and did it on their own.

You can buy parts and get service for Toyotas, and Land Cruisers in particular, in parts of the world that have never seen a Jeep (much less a POS Dodge), and have given up on Rovers years ago.

158 countries
625,870 kilometers
388,897 miles


All in a bone stock 1982 Toyota Land Cruiser 60 series.
http://www.weltrekordreise.ch/a_starte.html


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u155/whiteshark_01/101-P1060508.jpg

[Scout Dude]

A little off topic...Anyone know what ever happened to the converted milk truck that was supposed to drive/boat around the world back in the late 80's to 90's?

It looked like a space type vehicle and would supposedly float just fine.

Edit: Found it...been occasionally looking for years and never could find it...weird.
http://www.dobbertinhydrocar.com/Dobbertin%20Surface%20Orbiter.html

[skife]

yeah, you see the news and the thing that all these 3rd world countrys have in commin is old toyota pickups.

[hcgalvin]

I'd like something like this:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5762/icechallenger023cf4.jpg

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/306/icechallengerimg0111ey7.jpg

[roundhouse]

this in diesel
http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-jp_first_photos/img_9773_std.jpg

smaller, solid axles

Looks a lot like the Scramblers that were built for ambulance companies.

[roundhouse]

http://www.turtleexpedition.com/

Around the world in a F-250 with very little sponsorship

[Entropy]

http://www.bigwheelrally.com/store/images/bwn-bw-og-400.jpg

:grinpimp:

[fullygruntled]

yeah, you see the news and the thing that all these 3rd world countrys have in commin is old toyota pickups.

And typically, most of those old Hiluxes are running on their last legs, full of worn-out components. When something breaks, they replace it with a slightly less worn-out piece or just bypass its function. I remember seeing a ~84ish truck tooling down the road with a load of plantains and machete-wielding workers easily piled twice the height of the truck, and the cab-to-bed alignment suggested the frame was a very distinct U-like shape :laughing:

[Entropy]

And typically, most of those old Hiluxes are running on their last legs, full of worn-out components. When something breaks, they replace it with a slightly less worn-out piece or just bypass its function. I remember seeing a ~84ish truck tooling down the road with a load of plantains and machete-wielding workers easily piled twice the height of the truck, and the cab-to-bed alignment suggested the frame was a very distinct U-like shape :laughing:
Sounds like all the local lawn services...

[aloharover]

This

http://ve.ida.org/rtoc/images/hemtt.jpg

Though depending on where you are going this might be a better idea.

http://www.fallingpixel.com/products/968/mains/Stryker_MEV_lp.jpg

[aloharover]

Thanks man!

Contact Nick at DATW also. He is a great source of info, planning, etc

[Haole]

HUMMER!!!!

Like nothing else :flipoff2:

I'm guessing that there are tie rod suppliers throughout the world.

[The Adam Blaster]

I'm guessing that there are tie rod suppliers throughout the world.

Ouch!
That was a pretty sick burn right there... :laughing:

[slo-vic]

We are a supplier for these vehicles

http://www.sportsmobile.com/4_4x4sports.html

[Short Rear]

http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-ltinactionphotos/cover%20mud_8509_std.jpg

I have to go with these:D

[The Adam Blaster]

We are a supplier for these vehicles

http://www.sportsmobile.com/4_4x4sports.html

That's pretty slick, and i've seen similar vehicles before, and i like them! :D

What i'm thinking is that my little trip would include at least 2 vehicles, i think it would be kind of crazy to travel with only one vehicle over the sort of distance i'm thinking, and through some of the crazy terrain that would likely be encountered...
I think for this type of trip, a lighter vehicle would be desirable. The F250 with the camper i think is over the limit of what would be appropriate, however, it is pretty cool.
And those land-barges (Paris-Dakar style) would definitely be out. :laughing:

the F/S van seems like it might be a decent compromise, and you'd always have a covered bedroom without having to set it up every day.

[Paul Gagnon]

If you are going with a full size conversion van you should try and get sponsorship from the conversion company as well. Sidewinder in B.C. does conversion vans and also handicapped vans. They might sponsor you with a van that has all left hand controls. :idea: http://www.sidewinder-conversions.com/index.html

[Paul Gagnon]

That's pretty slick, and i've seen similar vehicles before, and i like them! :D

I really like the Sportsmobile vans and I would buy one if only they weren't on the inadmissable list.

[GQtim]

Turbo Diesel Nissan GU patrol

[The Adam Blaster]

I really like the Sportsmobile vans and I would buy one if only they weren't on the inadmissable list.

Paul gagnon = crusher of dreams... lol :laughing:
If i went with the Canadian company that wouldn't be a problem.

You want to come with?
nd i don't actually want to go around the worl, just from the northern most point in Canada to the southern most point in S. America.
From the top to the bottom. :D

[Muddin]

Nick's '04 4runner has 50K miles on it and has seen the dealer once to have the tint fixed on a window.
It's done all onroad duties very well and comfortably and has also done vacations of several days of unmaintained roads in Colorado very well too. This is a stock runner with BFG all-terrains.

[Paul Gagnon]

I know you are probably thinking domestic but what about something like this?

http://www.innovation-campers.com/toyota/images/018.jpg
http://www.innovation-campers.com/d_main.html

The HZJ75 is available in Canada (though not through the dealer network).

I'd love to make that trip but it would be a tough go money wise.

[LRDisco]

HUMMER!!!!

Like nothing else :flipoff2:

I know. Blowjobs are awesome. But this is about vehicles. Stay with the theme of the thread :shaking:

[sceep]

And those land-barges (Paris-Dakar style) would definitely be out. :laughing:


you might re-consider after you see this one...

http://www.itsjustabitoffun.com/date/2007/8/20/

met these guys in state park up in NH last year.

[RanchoToytrucks]

A Unimog with the "Haus" It would take me a while but I would make it!!

[RanchoToytrucks]

you might re-consider after you see this one...

http://www.itsjustabitoffun.com/date/2007/8/20/

met these guys in state park up in NH last year.


Wait wait......NOW THAT is IT!!!

[johnnyrover]

on the inadmissable list.

Please explain?

[The Adam Blaster]

you might re-consider after you see this one...

http://www.itsjustabitoffun.com/date/2007/8/20/

met these guys in state park up in NH last year.

I'm not saying they aren't awesome vehicles, because they are.
But if i used that thing to drive through S. America and cross bridges that were constructed to hold a donkey pulling a hand-made wagon, i might have a feeling of hesitation... :laughing:

[Old Scout]

Cheap 6x6 just build a camper for it::flipoff2:
http://www.waynestrucks.com/1952_Mack_5_Ton/1952_Mack_5_Ton.htm
http://www.waynestrucks.com/1952_Mack_5_Ton/1952_Mack_5_Ton.jpg

[abnormaltoy]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/abnormaltoy/xvlt_thumbnail.jpg

bad ass, comfy and reliable

[The Adam Blaster]

Please explain?


There's certain U.S. vehicles we can and cannot import from the U.S.
That one is restricted.

They changed the laws very recently. All 2008 vehicles are off-limits. It's pretty screwed because my new 2008 Pontiac Torrent, that is manuctured in Ontario, is about $8-9000 MORE in Canada than in the U.S. But i can't legally buy one in the U.S. and bring it up here.
Well, technically, i could, but i wouldn't be allowed to register it to be legally driven on the road.

[sceep]

But if i used that thing to drive through S. America and cross bridges that were constructed to hold a donkey pulling a hand-made wagon, i might have a feeling of hesitation... :laughing:


sounds to me like you suck at route planning...

:flipoff2:

[The Adam Blaster]

sounds to me like you suck at route planning...
:flipoff2:

:laughing:
If you've seen any of the TV shows/documentaries about people travelling through 3rd-world countries, they ALWAYS end up crossing some totally sketchy bridge, or going through the river because the bridge had been washed away.
Plus, some of the "roads" in these countries are made on a hill/mountainside, and the smaller and lighter the vehicle the better.

[RanchoToytrucks]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/abnormaltoy/xvlt_thumbnail.jpg

bad ass, comfy and reliable

I would be a little weary driving anything powered by a Ford Diesel around the world.

Just my .02

Maybe stick a 12v Cummins in it, now we are talking!!!

[abnormaltoy]

I would be a little weary driving anything powered by a Ford Diesel around the world.

Just my .02

Maybe stick a 12v Cummins in it, now we are talking!!!

I wouldn't sweat it!

[Old Scout]

I would be a little weary driving anything powered by a Ford Diesel around the world.

Just my .02

Maybe stick a 12v Cummins in it, now we are talking!!!

It's not a ford diesel! :shaking:

[abnormaltoy]

It's not a ford diesel! :shaking:

Yes it is. It's a 6.4 PS in an f550.

[sceep]

It's not a ford diesel! :shaking:

uhm...

"EarthRoamer XV-LTs are...
Small enough to be maneuverable

* Exterior dimensions: 25-foot 1-inch long Crew Cab (23-foot 11-inches long SuperCab), 8-foot wide, 10-foot 8-inches high

Roomy enough to be comfortable on long trips

* Four factory seats offer plenty of room and comfort on long hauls
* 6' 5" stand-up height in camper
* California King-size over-cab bunk

Powerful enough to tackle any job and engineered to last

* Built on Ford Super Duty F-550 truck chassis
* Estimated 2,500 pound payload and up to 10,000 pound towing capacity
* 6.4-liter PowerStroke twin-turbo diesel engine with 350 horsepower and 650 foot-pounds of torque
* 5-speed Torqshift automatic transmission with expanded gear ratios provides good
off-the-line acceleration and pulling power, along with outstanding highway passing performance
* Innovative TriMount™ triangular mounting system prevents torsional loads from being transferred to the camper"

[Old Scout]

uhm...

"EarthRoamer XV-LTs are...
Small enough to be maneuverable

* Exterior dimensions: 25-foot 1-inch long Crew Cab (23-foot 11-inches long SuperCab), 8-foot wide, 10-foot 8-inches high

Roomy enough to be comfortable on long trips

* Four factory seats offer plenty of room and comfort on long hauls
* 6' 5" stand-up height in camper
* California King-size over-cab bunk

Powerful enough to tackle any job and engineered to last

* Built on Ford Super Duty F-550 truck chassis
* Estimated 2,500 pound payload and up to 10,000 pound towing capacity
* 6.4-liter PowerStroke twin-turbo diesel engine with 350 horsepower and 650 foot-pounds of torque
* 5-speed Torqshift automatic transmission with expanded gear ratios provides good
off-the-line acceleration and pulling power, along with outstanding highway passing performance
* Innovative TriMount™ triangular mounting system prevents torsional loads from being transferred to the camper"

A powerstroke is made by INTERNATIONAL!:shaking:

[RanchoToytrucks]

uhm...

"EarthRoamer XV-LTs are...
Small enough to be maneuverable

* Exterior dimensions: 25-foot 1-inch long Crew Cab (23-foot 11-inches long SuperCab), 8-foot wide, 10-foot 8-inches high

Roomy enough to be comfortable on long trips

* Four factory seats offer plenty of room and comfort on long hauls
* 6' 5" stand-up height in camper
* California King-size over-cab bunk

Powerful enough to tackle any job and engineered to last

* Built on Ford Super Duty F-550 truck chassis
* Estimated 2,500 pound payload and up to 10,000 pound towing capacity
* 6.4-liter PowerStroke twin-turbo diesel engine with 350 horsepower and 650 foot-pounds of torque
* 5-speed Torqshift automatic transmission with expanded gear ratios provides good
off-the-line acceleration and pulling power, along with outstanding highway passing performance
* Innovative TriMount™ triangular mounting system prevents torsional loads from being transferred to the camper"


A bad ass rig none the less, but a Cat in front of an Allison would have been the way to go

[sceep]

A powerstroke is made by INTERNATIONAL!:shaking:


oh jeabus. :fj:

sorry oh knowledgeable one. :rolleyes:

[abnormaltoy]

A powerstroke is made by INTERNATIONAL!:shaking:

Under contract to Ford.

[The Adam Blaster]

How much do those EarthRoamer XV-LTs weigh dry?

[sceep]

How much do those EarthRoamer XV-LTs weigh dry?

http://www.earthroamer.com/tab_xpedition_vehicles/xvlt5_specs.html

[Paul Gagnon]

How much do those EarthRoamer XV-LTs weigh dry?

I don't know how much they weigh but they cost a lot of money.

[The Adam Blaster]

http://www.earthroamer.com/tab_xpedition_vehicles/xvlt5_specs.html

They list GCVW and the like, but not the dry weight...
Seems to be a common thing to do.

[Old Scout]

Under contract to Ford.

and your point being? :laughing:

[The Adam Blaster]

I don't know how much they weigh but they cost a lot of money.

I remember a whole thread on just these vehicles, and i think (without looking) the top 'o the line was around $200,000.00.

[usmcdoc14]

here is an option:
http://www.campausa.com/campa_evs.htm

[aftershokk86]

As much as id like to see it done in an 85 toyota xcab turbo pickup, or even a land cruiser, a brand new hilux with a diesel engine from overseas would be badass, and probably be more comfortable for such a long trip.

[Scout Dude]

Can't drive south of Panama into Columbia either so factor in weight/shipping costs too.

[The Adam Blaster]

Can't drive south of Panama into Columbia either so factor in weight/shipping costs too.

?
Is that because of the Panama canal or something?
Never knew that...

[Scout Dude]

Apparently the roads stop...saw it on some TV show where a motorcyclist was traveling South America.

[Polie]

I'd like something like this:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5762/icechallenger023cf4.jpg



I saw it. I was there when it came to the south pole. VERY impressive.

http://www.zuwharrie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13216/6x6_001_%28Large%29.jpg

http://www.zuwharrie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13216/6x6_003_%28Large%29.jpg

http://www.zuwharrie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13216/6x6_002_%28Large%29.jpg

[Evilwhitey]

I'd like something like this:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5762/icechallenger023cf4.jpg

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/306/icechallengerimg0111ey7.jpg

Where are those pics taken? Alaska?

[MossMan]

Here ya go. All ready to go. Just have to get it here.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/images/274791-1.jpg

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/274791.htm

some more info

http://www.2c2k.net/

[Polie]

Where are those pics taken? Alaska?

no

[usmcdoc14]

no

the south pole does not have luscious green and roads last time I checked :laughing:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/306/icechallengerimg0111ey7.jpg

[Polie]

the south pole does not have luscious green and roads last time I checked :laughing:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/306/icechallengerimg0111ey7.jpg

no shit.

it did go to other places.


EDIT: look up their website. I wanna saw Poland or something like that.

[Polie]

http://voyageconcepts.co.uk/travel/icetruck.htm

Specification

6-wheel drive. All wheels can be independently driven

Low emission, Turbo-charged, fuel-injected, 7.3 litre, V8 diesel engine

20 gears

44” tyres, 21” wide. Specially made and imported from America

6.5m long x 2.54m wide x 2.52m tall

Weight: 4.7 tonnes

Fully independent air suspension with 26” of travel on each wheel

High watt Solar panels for independent power supply

GPS & and satellite communications

[Polie]

the south pole does not have luscious green and roads last time I checked :laughing:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/306/icechallengerimg0111ey7.jpg


Found out where that pic was taken; it was in Chile before it left for the South Pole

[jasonmt]

There's certain U.S. vehicles we can and cannot import from the U.S.
That one is restricted.

They changed the laws very recently. All 2008 vehicles are off-limits. It's pretty screwed because my new 2008 Pontiac Torrent, that is manuctured in Ontario, is about $8-9000 MORE in Canada than in the U.S. But i can't legally buy one in the U.S. and bring it up here.
Well, technically, i could, but i wouldn't be allowed to register it to be legally driven on the road.

Wrong, all US certified vehicles built after September 01/07 that do not have or cannot be fitted with a anti theft device that complies with CMVSS 114 are inadmissible.

There are a large number of vehicles with factory anti theft systems that are admissible and any vehicle with a GVWR over 10,000#'s does not have to comply with CMVSS 114.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

[JAG]

I would be a little weary driving anything powered by a Ford Diesel around the world.

Just my .02

Maybe stick a 12v Cummins in it, now we are talking!!!


Why are they using pre 08 trucks and putting the new 6.4 in? Or do they still produce the pre 08 body and front outside of the us for some reason?

[MikeW]

Off topic: Did anyone ever bother to tell you that your Torrent has a 90 degree 4.3L Chinese made V-6 which is assembled on a joint GM-Isuzu assembly line.

[The Adam Blaster]

Wrong, all US certified vehicles built after September 01/07 that do not have or cannot be fitted with a anti theft device that complies with CMVSS 114 are inadmissible.



I was intentionally being unspecific. :laughing:
But, it's vehicles manufctured after Sept. 1/2007 as 2008 model-year vehicles, if you want to get even more specific. :laughing:

But to be honest, the information on the website that i've read says that the '08 vehicles are just not allowed in the country. I didn't read anything that said "not allowed in country UNLESS fitted with the whatchamacallit device."

[The Adam Blaster]

Off topic: Did anyone ever bother to tell you that your Torrent has a 90 degree 4.3L Chinese made V-6 which is assembled on a joint GM-Isuzu assembly line.

No, i was told it was the 3.4:
http://gmcanada.ca/gm/english/vehicles/pontiac/torrent/model01

[MikeW]

No, i was told it was the 3.4:
http://gmcanada.ca/gm/english/vehicles/pontiac/torrent/model01

Its the 3.4 but still made in the PRC.

by the way get a diesel, and the cat would be ruined by the gasoline used outside of North America.

[The Adam Blaster]

Not bashing, but where's the info to backup the claim the engine is made in China?

[jasonmt]

I was intentionally being unspecific. :laughing:
But, it's vehicles manufctured after Sept. 1/2007 as 2008 model-year vehicles, if you want to get even more specific. :laughing:

But to be honest, the information on the website that i've read says that the '08 vehicles are just not allowed in the country. I didn't read anything that said "not allowed in country UNLESS fitted with the whatchamacallit device."

I am driving around in a 2008 Ford truck that was built after Sep 1/07, has a GVWR under 10,000#s and just got delivered Wednesday night after being bought from a NY dealer with a form 2 from the RIV so I know that it is possible (and easy, and cheap). :flipoff2:

[Paul Gagnon]

Please explain?

The Sportsmobile vans are not listed in Section 5.2 (Class B Motorhomes) or Section 5.6 (Travel Van Conversions) of Transport Canada's LIST OF VEHICLES ADMISSIBLE FROM THE UNITED STATES http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Basically what happens is that a manufacturer has to submit their vehicle to Transport Canada for approval. If the vehicle meets all applicable safety standards, etc for that model year they are added to the list as admissable. They have to do this for each model. Sportsmobile probably hasn't done this since they are not on the list at all. I would imagine tha the certicfication process can get quite costly so smaller manufacturers probably don't even consider it.

[KiGrind]

this in diesel
http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-jp_first_photos/img_9773_std.jpg

smaller, solid axles


And jeep will get blue balls if you try to set a record.

[The Adam Blaster]

I am driving around in a 2008 Ford truck that was built after Sep 1/07, has a GVWR under 10,000#s and just got delivered Wednesday night after being bought from a NY dealer with a form 2 from the RIV so I know that it is possible (and easy, and cheap). :flipoff2:

Spill it then!!!
Who installed the whatchamacallit to get it covered and cleared through customs?

[Paul Gagnon]

Spill it then!!!
Who installed the whatchamacallit to get it covered and cleared through customs?

The truck he bought is on the admissable list. So is your Torrent thing.

[jasonmt]

There are a large number of vehicles with factory anti theft systems that are admissible...

Spill it then!!!
Who installed the whatchamacallit to get it covered and cleared through customs?

The truck he bought is on the admissable list. So is your Torrent thing.


There are a large number of vehicles with factory anti theft systems that are admissible...

IE the Ford SecuriLock anti theft immobilizer system that comes stock on Lariat's etc:

http://www.members.shaw.ca/jmqconsult/I1.jpg

[unimogken]

Hmmmm, tough one.

1. Syncro Westy Vanagon w/ Subaru EJ22 engine.

2. Unimog ...... Duh!

[PDR John]

this in diesel
http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-jp_first_photos/img_9773_std.jpg

smaller, solid axles

x3

[PYRO]

How 'bout this one?

[PYRO]

Another

[rustycruiser]

Read this book. Actually, anybody at all interested in wheeling should read this book.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/415/whoneedsaroadcoverdo6.jpg


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964252155/reinvented-20

[Grim Reaper]

this in diesel
http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-jp_first_photos/img_9773_std.jpg

smaller, solid axles

Not world serviceable. Mostly Americans think those are worth a shit. The rest of the world drives Toyota's :flipoff2:

No parts availability. What ever it is has to be a world vehicle so you can get the parts to fix it if it breaks.

That leaves Some Toyota's like the Land cruisers, Some Land rovers and some Mercedes (G-Wagon) on the small end. On the big end a Fuso or Mog.

[RPJ]

Another

That's a nice truck, but its;

A: probably unbelievably expensive
B: gonna stick out like a sore thump in a third world country.

Choose a car that's popular and common in the areas you want to go to because of the availability of spares, shops to fix it and to not look like a extremely rich American tourist that's begging to be robbed/harassed.

[PYRO]

That's a nice truck, but its;

A: probably unbelievably expensive
B: gonna stick out like a sore thump in a third world country.

Choose a car that's popular and common in the areas you want to go to because of the availability of spares, shops to fix it and to not look like a extremely rich American tourist that's begging to be robbed/harassed.

Your right, I just thought it was Way Cool,,,,,I'd have a hard time paying to fill it with fuel :D
This is closer to what I was looking at getting,,,,,,,but I'm just going around America

[rustycruiser]

70 series Land Cruiser. In production for 23 years, so plenty of parts support world wide. Solid axles front and rear with available electric lockers.

Wagon

http://www.landcruiserclub.co.za/cms/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/11004/new_76.jpg

Troopy

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/toyotalandcruiser70serieswagon.jpg

Pickup

http://www.landcruiserclub.co.za/cms/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10040/new-79.jpg

Shorty

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5955/30490302qh6.jpg

[STOKJEEP]

The Sportsmobile vans are not listed in Section 5.2 (Class B Motorhomes) or Section 5.6 (Travel Van Conversions) of Transport Canada's LIST OF VEHICLES ADMISSIBLE FROM THE UNITED STATES http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/VAFUS.pdf

Basically what happens is that a manufacturer has to submit their vehicle to Transport Canada for approval. If the vehicle meets all applicable safety standards, etc for that model year they are added to the list as admissable. They have to do this for each model. Sportsmobile probably hasn't done this since they are not on the list at all. I would imagine tha the certicfication process can get quite costly so smaller manufacturers probably don't even consider it.

If it were for me, I would order the basic van from my local ford dealer, and have them drop ship it to the conversion company. Then ship it to the selling ford dealer for pickup.

It wont even slow down at the border, as it already has all admissable equipment since it was ordered / destined for sale in Canada anyway.

[Yota Up]

Make sure it's diesel and carry cash to buy gas from black market and rebel groups. Toyota Hilux. Just like "mark and michelle", if you remember that old website...

[The Adam Blaster]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964252155/reinvented-20

Ordered. ;)
I'm really in the very early stages of researching this type of trip, not even at the planning stage yet, so this kind of book/info is very helpful.

I was thinking about this trip/adventure again last night, and i was always thinking that my wife would come with me. It would make sleeping conditions very easy -- i don't know if another person could sleep anywhere near me and my snoring. :laughing:

But i'm thinking about that aspect a bit more, and wondering about the dangers that i would end up subjecting my wife to on a journey like this...
And she's pregnant right now, so on a trip like this, would we bring our child? :confused:
It would likely be in the 6 week to 2 month sort of time frame, and isn't going to happen for a number of years, would we bring our child (maybe children at that point?) i dunno???

I'm kind of thinking that Ewan Macgregor had the right idea and went with a buddy (and a production team) and left the clan at home. :laughing:
But that brings me back to the sleeping arrangements... boo...

[Serious One]

Buy this one. It's never been stuck. :flipoff2:

http://www.tawayama.com/blog/crewcabonwhite.jpg

[Paul Gagnon]

Buy this one. It's never been stuck. :flipoff2:

http://www.tawayama.com/blog/crewcabonwhite.jpg

That's the "salt of the earth" kinda rig right thar.

[The Adam Blaster]

Buy this one. It's never been stuck. :flipoff2:

http://www.tawayama.com/blog/crewcabonwhite.jpg

That thing looks REALLY familiar...
Was it the super-custome frame-off build/resto thing that someone was using in eco-tourism or something? And they had a matching trailer for it???

Or is it the one a photographer got stuck in, out in the middle of the desert on seemingly dry ground? :laughing:

[Serious One]

That thing looks REALLY familiar...
Was it the super-custome frame-off build/resto thing that someone was using in eco-tourism or something? And they had a matching trailer for it???

Or is it the one a photographer got stuck in, out in the middle of the desert on seemingly dry ground? :laughing:

I believe it was the former. :laughing:

[The Adam Blaster]

I believe it was the former. :laughing:

I seem to recall a brightly colour t-shirt being used as a signalling device to try and flag down any low-passing airplanes. :laughing:
You had it out on your tripod or something right?

Find the link to that story, i think we need a refresher. ;)

[Serious One]

For the record, I have been told by a reliable source, that it was not a t-shirt. It was a bright orange Patagonia Fleece pull-over with blue piping and elastic at the waist. Size? L.

I don't recall the incident you are alluding to being discussed anywhere on the interweb. It must not have happened at all.

[The Adam Blaster]

I don't recall the incident you are alluding to being discussed anywhere on the interweb. It must not have happened at all.

That sounds like a challenge... :laughing::laughing::laughing:

[The Adam Blaster]

Update on trip/vehicle requirements.

[The Adam Blaster]

http://tinyurl.com/3d2nxz

It's affordable, would blend in really well in a 3rd world country, lots of room, it even says reliable power train right in the advert for it!!!

But alas, not 4wd... :(
:laughing:

[RPJ]

Do you have VW Syncro's in the US?

[The Adam Blaster]

Do you have VW Syncro's in the US?

I don't know, i can't tell what that thing is other than it sems to be really good at pushing sand. :laughing:

[Paul Gagnon]

Do you have VW Syncro's in the US?

I don't know about in the US but they were available in Canada.

[Southbound_Pachyderm]

http://www.agchem.com/imagesupload/TG8204_large1.jpg

[The Adam Blaster]

PICTURE OF FARM EQUIPMENT

I think the trip to the southern most point in S. America would take me about 28 years in that thing... :laughing:

[The Adam Blaster]

Here's a writeup of a similar journey with equipment that is similar to what i'll probably use.
They spent only one month preparing and researching for an 11-month trip. I found that a little on the stupid side...

http://www.lancecamper.com/livingthelancelife/bradchrist.html

[Haole]

In all honesty, I'd go with a diesel Toyota pickup.

You're not necessarily going to find good quality gas as you travel around the world. The Toy diesel will handle the crappy diesel you will find.

I'm trying to find the website, but there was a couple living in Hong Kong that were making trips to various places in the world, and they used a Hilux to do it.

[Haole]

Its the 3.4 but still made in the PRC.

by the way get a diesel, and the cat would be ruined by the gasoline used outside of North America.

Who cares about the cat, you're going to be lucky to find high enough octane gas for the engine to run right. That is if you can get the water out of it first.

[The Adam Blaster]

In all honesty, I'd go with a diesel Toyota pickup.

You're not necessarily going to find good quality gas as you travel around the world. The Toy diesel will handle the crappy diesel you will find.

I'm trying to find the website, but there was a couple living in Hong Kong that were making trips to various places in the world, and they used a Hilux to do it.

I like the idea of the Toy for reliability, and parts availability as well.
However, i also think for living space and convenience (I don't want to put a tent up while it's raining, nor put it away) and the trip will be for several months, so i think a truck camper is probably going to be needed, even just to keep our sanity. :laughing:

The other realization that i'm coming to is that we will likely be bringing our children on this trip. Wife is pregnant with our first right now, and the timing of the trip will likely be in a few years when we have expanded the family a bit more.
So, the sleeping space is going to be crucial.
As is the entertainment space, even if it just a little table/booth for the young-ins.

[bhaugen]

I think the trip to the southern most point in S. America would take me about 28 years in that thing... :laughing:

You would be surprised. Those things do 40+ mph down the road. Better bring a lot of fuel though.

[The Adam Blaster]

You would be surprised. Those things do 40+ mph down the road. Better bring a lot of fuel though.

There is that aspect of pulling up to a gas station every 100 miles and paying $10,000 to fill it up that is appealing! :laughing:

[Filthy McChevy]

Get a popup camper and you can put it on anything. Here is mine, fully self-contained and the 31 year old factory ac still cools well. Even in the summer when it's not stuck in a snowdrift. Seriously, pop up campers are great.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t75/bbigtn/snowbanks019600x450.jpg

[unimog]

I would take a Unimog diesel, check out this site http://www.unicat.net/en/index.html A U1250 is very nice and you don't need to carry spare parts.

[Southbound_Pachyderm]

You would be surprised. Those things do 40+ mph down the road. Better bring a lot of fuel though.

Although hella dangerous at that speed. hey dude, i grew up in Fargo!

[lilwill]

If money were not an object, and you like sore thumbs....

http://www.maximog.com/


Will

[Haole]

I like the idea of the Toy for reliability, and parts availability as well.
However, i also think for living space and convenience (I don't want to put a tent up while it's raining, nor put it away) and the trip will be for several months, so i think a truck camper is probably going to be needed, even just to keep our sanity. :laughing:

The other realization that i'm coming to is that we will likely be bringing our children on this trip. Wife is pregnant with our first right now, and the timing of the trip will likely be in a few years when we have expanded the family a bit more.
So, the sleeping space is going to be crucial.
As is the entertainment space, even if it just a little table/booth for the young-ins.

The major parts you'll need can be carried with the Toy. You can use one of these for a place to sleep:



http://www.autohomeus.com/

[Grim Reaper]

I like the idea of the Toy for reliability, and parts availability as well.
However, i also think for living space and convenience (I don't want to put a tent up while it's raining, nor put it away) and the trip will be for several months, so i think a truck camper is probably going to be needed, even just to keep our sanity. :laughing:

The other realization that i'm coming to is that we will likely be bringing our children on this trip. Wife is pregnant with our first right now, and the timing of the trip will likely be in a few years when we have expanded the family a bit more.
So, the sleeping space is going to be crucial.
As is the entertainment space, even if it just a little table/booth for the young-ins.


Thats why you get a 70 series or a old 40 series Troopie oil burner and make a camper conversion.
http://www.brian894x4.com/LC75main.html
http://www.brian894x4.com/LC78main.html

http://www.toyota-gib.com/

[Haole]

Dis:

[unimogken]

Do you have VW Syncro's in the US?

Yes we do have them in the US!
We even stuff Subaru engines in them........hehe
Thanks for the sweet picture!

[Richard]

don't know if been posted http://www.unicatamericas.com/
http://my.break.com/Content/view.aspx?ContentID=448308

[kike]

Any of these or a toyota FJ-75, all of them have done it

[GQtim]

New toyota landcruiser troop carier

solid diffs, 180L+ diesel from factory

V8 turbo diesel engine, toyota tough

good enough for mining fleets and UN in the third world, basicly unchanged chassis and body design since 85 means its tough as nails

[Nordic1]

CaseyP is homogehye

[The Adam Blaster]

don't know if been posted http://www.unicatamericas.com/
http://my.break.com/Content/view.aspx?ContentID=448308



The site has been posted, but not that vid.
And in that vid the price is stated as $600,000.00.
That's a "tad" more than i was planning on spending. :laughing:

[The Adam Blaster]

CaseyP is homogehye

And what's wit this douche? :laughing::laughing:

[LRDisco]

I don't remember if this was mentioned already, but what about a diesel Excursion? It's a 4x4 with leafs front and back, and it's been out long enough that you can find a used one for cheap. Maybe cut the roof off from the rear seats back, and slap on a pop up camper?

It would be cheap, relatively small and light (when compared to some of the other options mentioned already) offer a way to pass through to the back without having to leave the vehicle, and with the low initial cost leave enough money to swap a manual tranny, or do whatever mods come to mind.

It's probably nothing like what you need, but I thought some out of the box thinking might help.

[The Adam Blaster]

Well, it's definitely an interesting idea LRD.
I have seen some pics of what you are describing by someone that used a Suburban in the same fashion.

I've been considering a lot of factors with this vehicle, and what it needs to be able to do. I've also been thinking about the resale value, or lack there of.
I'm at about 90% to the decision that it will be a 1-ton (or maybe 1+ ton model) crew cab 'n chassis and an aluminum flat deck. Then a slide-in/truck camper style unit will be affixed to the flat deck.
There's a HUGE number of those slide in's available on the market right now, and there are some pop-up style ones where the top 2' or so raises and lowers. Those are nice to keep the COG down quite a built, and helps with the aerodynamics, and of course it's not as tall so you can clear more obstacles when the need arises.

That's where i'm at right now, but the market is changing and expanding so the options may get even more varied before i drop the coin and pull the trigger on this stuff. :D

[evilfij]

How many people?

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315028

Same guy:

http://www.drivenxdiscovery.com/home.htm

If it were me, I would get something small and relatively inexpensive (ie I could abandon it without a huge write-off) for one or two people.

Used diesel 110 would be perfect. www.ihana.com

[Burb]

my vote too.

it fun too, especially when the trek is from the den to the backyard cactus garden.

http://www.hungates.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/186100084f.jpg


thanks, I'd been looking for my childhood, so nice of you to find it. now where did I put that safari green shag carpet...?

[The Adam Blaster]

I got Entropy to move this thread, along with my slide-in camper one into this forum, seemed to make more sense, and it will be easier to keep track of my threads. :)

I made a decision about my trip as well, i'm going to split it up. Mostly due to getting time off as well as money.
It will be 3 parts:

1. North Section -- Up to Alaska and/or Tuktuyuktuk(sp?) North West Territories
2. Central Section -- Down to Panama
3. Southern Section -- South America

The first route i'm hoping to do next summer, and i won't really need a specialized vehicle, so saves on money. I will have to buy some extra tires for the Pontiac Torrent though. :laughing:

[Stonecoast]

I personally couldn't swing such a small rig, but this would be better than the one-up cycle...
Ural Patrol-
side car has a selectable driven wheel. tranny is five speed and has reverse. engine is a copy of a WWII BMW 750. shaft driven.
If you prefer the BMW engine, it's a direct swap.
Link to Ural-http://www.ural.com/

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/aaronsbarker/7363e00d-1.jpg

[MatLax]

Just wait for Toyota to release their diesel Tundra, otherwise the best choice would probably be to go with a used Landcruiser (diesel) that you would rebuild...

[The Adam Blaster]

Just wait for Toyota to release their diesel Tundra, otherwise the best choice would probably be to go with a used Landcruiser (diesel) that you would rebuild...

I've REALLY been looking at the TLC's, but i would have to have a tent trailer for the space needs of my family.
In Canada we can get (and license) 15+ year old international vehicles, even right-hand-drive ones. I've been looking a lot at the Cruisers and they can be found out of Japan with lower km's on them, some less than 50,000. (About 35,000 miles.)
And they range from about $15,000 up to $25,000.
There are some top-notch importers in Canada that bring the vehicles over, inspect every inch, change belts/fluids/etc. etc... and they are the ones charging a bit higher for them. But, you generally get a vehicle that has been looked over thoroughly and a dealer that stands behind the product.

I know my original sentiments were for a new vehicle, but i think i'll have to adjust that line of thinking, not positive yet...

[MatLax]

Yep, I know (I'm from Canada, I've got to edit my profile), and you're right next to the best province to get an imported vehicle...

There's one importable vehicle I find really nice (it's out of topic, but any way), the Mitsubishi Jeep, a CJ3B with a Mitsubishi diesel engine... If it wasn't for the fact that I'm kind of poor (being a student doesn't help) I would buy one and do some "classic" offroad with it :)

[ncmog]

A Unimog is a shoe in. For something different, how about a Pinzgauer 6x6

http://www.swissarmyvehicles.com/shfull.php?table=pics_vehicles&picid=64

[Rockhales]

Dis::smokin::smokin:

[MightyRAM_97]

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=1668352


I like this, for an idea, yeah it's old but it's 6x6, and can easily be fixed up, and could take you damn near anywhere...:smokin:

[The Adam Blaster]

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auctio...tionId=1668352



Link isn't working for me. :(

[Rocky]

Back to the pic of the blue 6x6 South Pole van.....does anybody have any info on the rear drive for the axles??

Thanks in advance.
Mark,

I searched.....

[pmhardy1m]

Back to the pic of the blue 6x6 South Pole van.....does anybody have any info on the rear drive for the axles??

Thanks in advance.
Mark,

I searched.....

http://www.4x4offroads.com/south-pole-6x6-ice-challenger.html

Here is a full write up of the south pole expedition that the 6x6 was built for it has everything. Should help you

[Doron_B]

Buy this one. It's never been stuck. :flipoff2:

http://www.tawayama.com/blog/crewcabonwhite.jpg
Are you sure?
You are talking about a truck that when it is not leaking it means that the fluids run out..
The truck that Lucas "the prince of darkness" designed its electric wiring,
The truck that weight over 8000 lbs loaded but has axle shaft thinner then vehicles that weight 3000 lbs less but with reasonable engineering.. :homer:



70 series Land Cruiser. In production for 23 years, so plenty of parts support world wide. Solid axles front and rear with available electric lockers.

Wagon

http://www.landcruiserclub.co.za/cms/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/11004/new_76.jpg

Troopy

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/toyotalandcruiser70serieswagon.jpg

Pickup

http://www.landcruiserclub.co.za/cms/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10040/new-79.jpg

Shorty

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5955/30490302qh6.jpg
By far the platform to begin building expedition vehicle if you don't need the big trucks like the Uniact or eq'.

[BigKofJustice]

I'm guessing that there are tie rod suppliers throughout the world.

H2's and H3's don't count, wake me up when they can carry 5000 lbs and have a diesel engine.

Without going into the silly big TATA/Oshkosh trucks I'd go with:

-HMMWV A2 variant or 97.5 or higher H1 model [don't need a dealership network, parts are common and cheap]
-Late model Unimog
-Defender 110 diesel

Anything with a strong frame with a diesel power plant.

[Beat95YJ]

I think an E350 van with a powerstroke and quigly conversion. Possibly with a canvass pop top. Anything larger gets to be a real pain on anything less than a graded road.

[The Adam Blaster]

I think an E350 van with a powerstroke and quigly conversion. Possibly with a canvass pop top. Anything larger gets to be a real pain on anything less than a graded road.

That can be true, but i'd find it difficult to comfortably sleep a family of 5 in an E350. Especially when dad (me) snores. :laughing:

[Docfranco]

Adamblaster
I just bought a 1979 Unimog doka (crew cab) 416 L, I wanted a diesel to convert to run on veggy oil. I found a long bed so I can put my pop-up camper in the bed. Mercedes has parts availability anywhere in the world. The larger SBU 1200-2400s are much bigger and would pose a problem on tight trails.
The only minor drawback is the top speed is under 70 max...but otherwise they go anywhere forever :p

[The Adam Blaster]

With the Mog's, the only negative is that top speed, and for me, they are all manual transmission right? I'll need an auto... :(

I was looking into the Michelin XZL's for tires, and most of them are even limited to about 55-60 mph. So it can be the tires as the limiting factor when talking about top end, not just the vehicle.

Maybe i can get a crewcab mog and transplant a Cummins with an auto behind it. lol
Then I'd have a pretty nice machine for what my needs are. ;)

[WickedGravityVideo]

Here is my first entry: It just sold at Barrett- Jackson in January for $45K, about $200k less than it is worth -- someone got a steal!

www.steelwheels4x4.com

[ShoxX]

Here is my first entry: It just sold at Barrett- Jackson in January for $45K, about $200k less than it is worth -- someone got a steal!

www.steelwheels4x4.com


When the shit hits the fan and the zombies come, I'm finding this rig.:D

[WickedGravityVideo]

When the shit hits the fan and the zombies come, I'm finding this rig.:D


That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. I so know what you mean. This looks like an armored car RV. Please call me when Night of the Living Dead happens for reals! hahahaha:laughing:

[ncmog]

With the Mog's, the only negative is that top speed, and for me, they are all manual transmission right? I'll need an auto... :(

I was looking into the Michelin XZL's for tires, and most of them are even limited to about 55-60 mph. So it can be the tires as the limiting factor when talking about top end, not just the vehicle.

Maybe i can get a crewcab mog and transplant a Cummins with an auto behind it. lol
Then I'd have a pretty nice machine for what my needs are. ;)

There is one auto Mog that I know of that I think is in CA somewhere. It is a big truck (U2450) and I believe was a factory prototype.

http://www.dansunimogs.com/images/P1240010.jpg

[The Adam Blaster]

That right there, is a nice 'mog!
If they did it once, they could probably do it again...
Maybe i'll get a crew cab doka and find someone good to do the auto conversion, slap a camper on the back and be golden. :D

[Docfranco]

That right there, is a nice 'mog!
If they did it once, they could probably do it again...
Maybe i'll get a crew cab doka and find someone good to do the auto conversion, slap a camper on the back and be golden. :D
There are a few mogs around with torque converters, they drive like autos, but you can still shift them. I think they were used as airport tugs most often..:D

[The Adam Blaster]

Hey Docfranco, i asked this question on ExPo, but didn't get any responses...
Do you know (I'm assuming you do considering your situation) who to go through in terms of a vehicle locator/importer service to find European models that can be brought over.
In Canada we can bring in almost any vehicle that is over 15 years old.
I'm starting to get interested in a Mann or Tatra maybe, not a huge one, but something that i could have a slightly larger than normal sized truck-camper built on the back.
Depending on the price, that may be a better way to go then an F-550 with a new truck camper...

[Docfranco]

Hey Docfranco, i asked this question on ExPo, but didn't get any responses...
Do you know (I'm assuming you do considering your situation) who to go through in terms of a vehicle locator/importer service to find European models that can be brought over.
In Canada we can bring in almost any vehicle that is over 15 years old.
I'm starting to get interested in a Mann or Tatra maybe, not a huge one, but something that i could have a slightly larger than normal sized truck-camper built on the back.
Depending on the price, that may be a better way to go then an F-550 with a new truck camper...

Adam Blaster
I would try either of these guys, I think the specialize in mogs but may also do others
http://www.eurotruck-importers.com/
http://www.expeditionimports.zoovy.com/
Good luck...
Doc

[MatLax]

http://www.tatratruckusa.com/
There you go, Tatra, Zil, Gaz... They can import them to Canada also from what I understand...

[Gonzalo Bravo]

I'd like something like this:


http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/306/icechallengerimg0111ey7.jpg

Hey, that pictue was taken in my country!!!

During our summer we have many people there driving around the world or just america and they mainly drive:
Toyota Lancruiser
MB 4X4 Trucks
MB Unimogs
LR Defenders.

[The Adam Blaster]

Thanks for the links Docfranco and Matlax!!

There are some wild trucks out there for sale. :D :D

[Johnny Quest]

Kaiser M725 with a cummins under the hood. Someday.....(sigh)

[Chili Palmer]

Here is my first entry: It just sold at Barrett- Jackson in January for $45K, about $200k less than it is worth -- someone got a steal!

www.steelwheels4x4.com

I remember seeing that thing on the Discovery channel or something like that. That guy built that rig so he and his disabled wife could travel the country (if not the world) while being self sufficient. Pretty cool rig...

[m016324]

[QUOTE=Doron_B;8202841]Are you sure?
You are talking about a truck that when it is not leaking it means that the fluids run out..
The truck that Lucas "the prince of darkness" designed its electric wiring,
The truck that weight over 8000 lbs loaded but has axle shaft thinner then vehicles that weight 3000 lbs less but with reasonable engineering.. :homer:


Maybe you should learn a little more about the truck before you start talking shit. That truck doesn't have lucas electrics. It has a small block chevy with an american transmission. Yes it is heavy but if you actually knew more about the truck you would understand how well it fits in this thread

-ben

[Doron_B]

Maybe you should learn a little more about the truck before you start talking shit. That truck doesn't have lucas electrics. It has a small block chevy with an american transmission. Yes it is heavy but if you actually knew more about the truck you would understand how well it fits in this thread

-ben

Maybe you should tell us more about this truck or if you want a serious tread you should get the truck's sepc here if it is different from stock .
this wey we can relate seriously about its set up.
There isn’t any sign of different power train and my X-ray eyes don’t work threw the comp screen..

I have enough experience with heavy loaded HD 110/130 Defenders and both the regular and the HD versions are a poor design except for the solid frame.

[BlueXJBuddy]

just bring the whole house w/ you.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q32/pologuy1441/motorhome.jpg

[XJOREGONDIRT]

there is no best expedition vehicle, depends on where your going and where your coming from, but I would say as long as it's diesel has straight axles and is put together so it won't fall apart it's good

[RustyNailJustin]

there is no best expedition vehicle, depends on where your going and where your coming from, but I would say as long as it's diesel has straight axles and is put together so it won't fall apart it's good

AHHHH.... if it were only that simple :):)
I guess by your definition all ford products will be ruled out:laughing:

[The Adam Blaster]

AHHHH.... if it were only that simple :):)
I guess by your definition all ford products will be ruled out:laughing:

I'd rule out all Ford products, but not by his definition. :flipoff2:

Actually, the Earthroamer builds their machines on the F-550 chassis. (Dodge 5500 as well.)

But for a vehicle that you want to travel in through other regions of the world outside of N. America, i would definitely advise a diesel engine. It's more widely available, and also more consistent. You don't often get "bad diesel" like you get "bad gas". I'm sure it happens, just not as often.

[RustyNailJustin]

I'd rule out all Ford products, but not by his definition. :flipoff2:


LOL:laughing: I agree 100%:laughing:

[tb]

I'd rule out all Ford products, but not by his definition.

Actually, the Earthroamer builds their machines on the F-550 chassis. (Dodge 5500 as well.)

What the hell do they do for spares?

I live in thailand, no parts avaliable for dodge, or ford, or jeep unless you count swapping a toyota engine into any of these rigs as a spare? .. I mean you could get real parts if you dont mind waiting a month or two at least if your in bangkok or one of the other big cities, but get into the hills or jungle and forget, it would be faster to make it yourself.
Have any of you guys run into size issues with these big rigs? lots of very small "roads" here, shared with elephants, chickens, party busses, home made "trucks"

[roscoFJ73]

There is one auto Mog that I know of that I think is in CA somewhere. It is a big truck (U2450) and I believe was a factory prototype.

http://www.dansunimogs.com/images/P1240010.jpg

There is quite a few of these around the world. Mercedes Australia sell them as their biggest mog unless you get a twin rear axle model.
The Australian army also uses locally built models as their medium recovery truck.

[RMP&O]

Unless you are touring N.America 90% or more of the vehicles in this thread or worthless.

How many of you who sit here on the net and dream/think about an expedition have been outside the USA? And how many of those who have been outside the USA have been to a 3rd world country? And better yet how many of those people have been way out into those 3rd world countries where tourists don't go? For some reason when I look through this thread and forum I see lot's of yuppie yuppie yuppie.....

Personally I do not feel the word expedition even applies to any trips you can do in the USA. Canada and Alaska, ok sure but the lower 48, ya right! In fact most of you are not even really talking about an expedition, you are talking about touring. Touring is barely a step up from driving around in your motor home visiting National Parks!

Three vehicles fit the bill for a non-N.America expedition....

#1 Toyota, TLC, Hilux, Ect.
#2 LandRover, D90, D110, Ute and possibly Discovery although Disco is bad choice imo
#3 Nissan Patrol, LWB, SWB or Ute

The LR is not a good choice imho because it is a pos.

The Toyotas are a good choice and so is the Nissan Patrol. Both are sold in at least 70% of the world. The only reason the Patrol is not mentioned anywhere in this forum is because it is not sold in the USA. In many countries the Patrol and the TLC are the only 4wd worth a shit.

What is important on an expedition....? Creature comforts? Not really. How fast it goes down the road? Nope not important. How well your kids stay entertained on the trip? Ya ok, take their X-box and DVD player so they can rot their brains on the road!

You drive across South America or Africa or Asia what is important?

#1 security
#2 availibility of parts
#3 easy to work on
#4 range of vehicle
#5 ability to carry enough gear to be self sufficient for at least 2 weeks at a time.

If those are not your top five important things when planning an expedition you should not even think about going. A modern computerized vehicle is going to do one thing on a REAL expedition....make the trip one big huge hassle which will likely never even get completed. And hey I am just talking trucks...you have a whole bunch of other things to consider like your health and if you are are healthy enough to do a expedition. Good luck finding a big mac in the Sudan!

What are you going to do when you pull up to a road block in Colombia in a Unimog and the guerillas take your truck at gun point? Buy your way out of it!? Ya right...you be lucky to get out alive, forget about your $100,000 truck. Granted they may do the same thing if you drive a Troopie but at least your chances are better that they won't want your truck. How about the war torn African countries? Ya your F550 custom touring van is a real good choice for that! Better yet do it in a Jeep or Hummer! LOL, that is just down right funny! Or pick any other 3rd/2nd world country where they will see your expensive truck and your white skin and take you for everything without a second thought!

It was already suggested....but I will suggest it too.

Read this book,
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964252155/reinvented-20

in fact instead of sitting here on your ass dreaming about some $50k+ yuppie mobile you want to drive around the world in....go read some books! And then take some trips outside the USA to 3rd world countries. I am not talking about taking a trip to sit on a beach in Rio, I am talking get out there into the rural areas in a 3rd world country where they don't see American tourists. That is where you will be driving through so you best know what to expect. After that come back here and tell us about how a Unimog or some custom pos Ford is the best truck to take around the world! :flipoff2:

[BENNY87]

Im not into expidition vehicle much but my dad is. And i agree with the gentleman above and that if you take unimog to africa your getting it taken from you. But I also believe that its all about where your going. The toy, land rovers, nissians would be great for those 3rd world contries but if someone was going to European countries and Asian areas you might get away with unimogs and exspensive rigs. To me its much like wheelin in the US. you build your rigs for the terrain you want to rid on. Just my $.02

[Elwenil]

While I agree with some of what is said above, I think if you are stupid enough to drive into a war zone, you deserve to be shot. Natural selection. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that you take one of these vehicles into backwoods Colombia or Somalia. In a world where they cancel the entire Dakar Rally due to security concerns, it's no shame not to go into hell for an "expedition". I don't think many here that dream of a expedition type vehicle have the means to ship their vehicle overseas and if they did, they are probably thinking more about the Australian Outback than places that are quite obviously on the State Department's "do not go" list. In my mind, an expedition vehicle does not have to be taken on the Camel Trophy or have parts available at Mogu's Parts Shack to be viable, it simply has to be self sufficient for the trip planned. Maybe their trip will take them to the Badlands in South Dakota or the Northern reaches of Canada and Alaska, which for all intents and purposes might as well be the moon compared to what most are used to.

You don't have to go around the world to go on an "expedition". There are plenty of areas on our own continent that will test your vehicle and survival skills. Also, just because a vehicle was not sold in another country, does not make it a bad choice. Many vehicles can pack in their own parts and be self sufficient and not require outside help. Also, many US Military vehicles are in use around the world or the domestic copies and it's very easy to get parts for them. A lot of us probably followed the articles on the Turtle Expedition's travels and dream of similar things. I doubt very seriously that they intended to find Ford Super Duty parts in Siberia, so they planned accordingly and were successful.

In short, it's how you define the word "expedition". Since very few square footage of the planet haven't been explored, there isn't much need for expeditions in the classical sense. There are plenty of relief efforts going on around the world if you want to take part in that sort of expedition, but I think the Red Cross would do a much better job of it. I feel that if it's something more than a vacation trip and has an element of danger and being out of touch with civilization for a time that it can be considered an expedition. The vehicle chosen for this is up to the persons involved and should be able to perform the job intended and be able to deal with the usual breakdowns and emergencies.

Just my .02

[RMP&O]

I agree with both of you guys...and didn't mean to come off as a hard ass close mind person on the subject at hand.

More to the point though an "expedition" is just that. While the dictionary has a broad meaning to the word and yes it uses the classical definition it still has the same basic meaning. In my mind "expedition" means travel to a remote and dangerous place where you can be in harms way from weather, war, hostile anti-freedom loving people, hostile enviroment (snakes, spiders) and so forth. You have little chance of rescue if you get in trouble, such as climbing a mountain in the South America. Yes the mountain has been climbed before but it is still a dangerous adventure not often done by people. Or say traveling way up the Amazon basin far from the world we know, that is an expedition. Driving your truck 100 miles out into the South Western American desert to me is hardly an expedition. That is an camping trip also known as touring. Can you die out there in the USA desert, sure but you would have to be on the stupid side for that to happen. Much higher chance of serious illness or death happening in BFE Africa than BFE USA.

Perhaps I just have spent to much time around Aussies who themselves use the word touring much more than we do. You could argue that many trips in Australia would be an expedition but ya know I have never heard an Aussie call it that. They call it touring. In fact they set up trucks for touring, such as for Simpson Desert trips. Ya know, a fridge in the truck, air system, water system, roof camping tent, sand ladders, several spare tires. That is a touring set up and while the line between touring and expedition is a fine line I can clearly see the line. Driving to the tip of South America from the USA is definately not touring and is what should be considered an expedition. There is a difference and while preparing for each is similar it is not the same.

Don't get me wrong...I love touring type trucks. The Aussies have some seriously sweet TLCs, Patrols and LR's set up for touring. I would love to have one myself but to me it is just not the same thing as an actual expedition vehicle. I have been to Oz myself and done some touring type trips. It is really awesome but you still have a somewhat safe feeling unlike if you drive across Africa. I have also been deep in third world countries in South America, Colombia included. It is not what you might think but you still have to know wtf you are doing and where you are going. Or ya you will get in trouble. I myself like to go places the State Department says do not go to. That makes a trip an adventure. Sitting on a beach in the Bahamas is also sweet but not the same kind of trip. See where I am going with this? One type of trip is a potentially dangerous adventure while the other is much more just a vacation.

I do know about the Turtle Expedition's and their success. They did do well and plan it right. Correct me if I am wrong though...they didn't drive across Africa, the Middle East, Asia, South America or Australia. So while I agree it was a successful expedition in a USA made truck it was a rather light expedition compared to what some people are doing.

You all call it whatever you like. But in my honest opinion this forum would be much better named "Touring Vehicles."

[Elwenil]

I see your point and I guess we are looking at the same thing from different sides of it. But regardless of our opinions it really boils down to the individual, what they desire to do and what they have available to them. You have to admit that even by your description of the Aussie touring trucks that they do have a lot in common with a more hard core expedition type vehicle. Also, to someone who lives in a rural area outside a big city driving up the Alaskan Pipeline is as much an expedition to them as trucking across the Darfur Region would be to you. Still there are probably those out there that would think we are all crazy for taking a vehicle at all when you can hike it. I think it depends on your level of experience and desire as to what it all means to an individual. I don't think anyone would suggest someone go to the African Continent for their first "expedition" when all of their experience consists of the local KOA campgrounds, lol. Perhaps expedition and touring are two completely different things to the experienced, but to most, they are about the destination more than what it's called. For me, I suppose I will probably stick with touring or "light expedition" since my dreams will always exceed my means.

[Syncros]

Give me a:

1983 Toyota 4x4, Short box, Fully loaded, in Showroom condition

Mods:

POR15 on everything :flipoff2:
A Camperette or box tent(pop up)
ARB Lockers front and rear
2" Downey springs, Bilstein shocks
31" MT/R's
Marlin bumpers and a hi-lift
Warn M8000
Deep cycle battery x2

Think id be pretty :D with that.

[The Adam Blaster]

I think it's pointless to get into the whole "expedition vs. camping/touring/whatever" because everyone's view point and experiences will be different.

The purpose of MY thread here was to get ideas on a vehicle that would be able to carry 2 adults and 2-3 children comfortably for long periods of time in both smooth highway conditions and also rougher terrain.

As for safety, how do you keep safe in a guerilla controlled area?
Do you have blackhawk helicopters and gun ships along with 100 or more green berets as a support part of your expedition? :rolleyes:
Going into war-torn regions is not smart, you are just begging for something bad to happen.
And for me, travelling with my family, i will be steering very far away from those areas of the world.

I have been to areas in Brazil that most people would consider unsafe, but there wasn't a war going on or anything. Not an official war anyway, a couple weeks before i arriced in Sao Paulo some "employees" of a drug cartel shot up a bus full of tourists going to a beach in Rio. So maybe that beach wasn't quite as safe as you might think RMP&O. ;)

[Chainlink]

Define it however you want.....I love this thread/forum, I personally don't give a rats ass what your trek intails. I build mostly for extended hunting trips(some fishing). I like the ideas that are shared in forums like this. I go deep in the North woods and far into Canada which requires some smart prep. I will see no war, but I will be self reliant...My only true dangers are the elements and illness(injury). We have harvested Deer, Moose, and Bear in some very remote strecthes that require as much planning as any military exercise I have been on.

I can get behind the touring label but I think no matter the name we all have a common ground in here no matter the destination.


As for a rural homebody having troubles on an Alaskan trek??? I have to wonder if you were thinking suburbanite. I live in a rural area in a state thats credited with more guns per capita than anywhere in the U.S. I doubt you could throw anything in North America that could shake good ole boy up here....I take that back...I bet the desert might make them a tad nervous.

[85blue4runner]

i say this with the utmost respect for the people who have done it, but what the hell is the motivation for travelling around the world to visit war torn, corrupt, military dictator controlled, shit hole third world countries hoping that you make it out alive with most of your stuff??

Why would you want to do that, nothing is that important or cool to see to put up with all that shit.. Maybe you see something that most people never will or brag that you have seen 50 countries or whatever...

theft, corruption, violence, unsanitary conditions, language and customs barriers, safety, legal issues, time (i have heard stories of WEEKS to cross a border or receive a shipping container at a port), food, and the list goes on... i am not saying dont be adventurous or try anything new, just never understood the whole, i want to travel through shitty second and third world countries for months on end, living out of my Toyota Land Cruiser crowd.

Not trying to piss in any one's Cherrios, just dont get it, sorry.

[Elwenil]

As for a rural homebody having troubles on an Alaskan trek??? I have to wonder if you were thinking suburbanite. I live in a rural area in a state thats credited with more guns per capita than anywhere in the U.S. I doubt you could throw anything in North America that could shake good ole boy up here....I take that back...I bet the desert might make them a tad nervous.

Nah, I was think more about people like live near me, which are typically redneck and have plenty of "down home sense" but would definitely be out of their element in a near arctic environment. I would expect them to survive to a certain extent, but my point was that a trip of that nature would be quite a thing to experience (keep in mind we live in Virginia), while someone with expedition experience in Central or South America or other exotic locations might consider it a lame destination.

[Syncros]

i say this with the utmost respect for the people who have done it, but what the hell is the motivation for travelling around the world to visit war torn, corrupt, military dictator controlled, shit hole third world countries hoping that you make it out alive with most of your stuff??

Why would you want to do that, nothing is that important or cool to see to put up with all that shit.. Maybe you see something that most people never will or brag that you have seen 50 countries or whatever...

theft, corruption, violence, unsanitary conditions, language and customs barriers, safety, legal issues, time (i have heard stories of WEEKS to cross a border or receive a shipping container at a port), food, and the list goes on... i am not saying dont be adventurous or try anything new, just never understood the whole, i want to travel through shitty second and third world countries for months on end, living out of my Toyota Land Cruiser crowd.

Not trying to piss in any one's Cherrios, just dont get it, sorry.

Ahh no one said you ahve to get into it that much, I dont even have to leave the Island I live on to find "adventures" to go on, theres endless dirtroads here from logging, skidder trails and overgrown/washed out roads too and of course 4x4 trails.

[Chainlink]

Nah, I was think more about people like live near me, which are typically redneck and have plenty of "down home sense" but would definitely be out of their element in a near arctic environment. I would expect them to survive to a certain extent, but my point was that a trip of that nature would be quite a thing to experience (keep in mind we live in Virginia), while someone with expedition experience in Central or South America or other exotic locations might consider it a lame destination.

I don't consider by any means Alaska lame....anywhere can be good. I was born in the South and raised in winters in North and summers in South.....the extremes on both ends frigging cold and scorching dang hot. I think both hold as many dangers....heat stroke can get the most hearty, and hypothermia is a sneaky son of a ...well you get the idea.

I guess I was giving down home sense more credit...no worries. Where I live now I am considered to most a redneck.....but just a few miles away I am considered a college boy lol. I guess hunting, harvesting, butchering, and eating my own meat makes me a redneck. But then again I did drop out of college and high school. I know that seems weird to have college and be a HS drop out. HS dumped for Army, had to get a waiver because at the time had to have HS diploma...college was later and I wanted to earn more than learn. Although while earning I put my wife through school and now shes my sugar momma :grinpimp:

[TachedOutOffRoad]

hostile enviroment (snakes, spiders) and so forth. . . .

So I guess my yard is a "Expedition" canidate :shaking: I could drive my Toyota "Ute" there too :shaking: Your post deffintly make you look a Im-super-cool-Expo-world-travler-guy-who-is-schooling-abunch-of-damn-Americans-asshat.

If I tell any of my family that Im taking my sons "Touring in our Ute" theyll think that Im going to see the Statue of Liberty in a Surbaban. If I tell them were are taking the Tacoma on a Expedition theyll know whats up.

When I drive(and live out of) my rig for two-four weeks (500-3,000 miles) and am off the hardball for 90% time, Im going to call it an Expedition :flipoff2:

When the kids get older, and the rig is more broken in, Id love to take it South, but untill then, I guess Im stuck Exploring the National Forrest with 35"s and lockers :p

:::oh yeah, Ive been to 3rd world countries and have been shot at (and returned fire :flipoff2:), and they both sucked balls.
If you are dieing for some adventure, Google "Force Recon" and sign up.

[RMP&O]

So I guess my yard is a "Expedition" canidate :shaking: I could drive my Toyota "Ute" there too :shaking: Your post deffintly make you look a Im-super-cool-Expo-world-travler-guy-who-is-schooling-abunch-of-damn-Americans-asshat.

If I tell any of my family that Im taking my sons "Touring in our Ute" theyll think that Im going to see the Statue of Liberty in a Surbaban. If I tell them were are taking the Tacoma on a Expedition theyll know whats up.

When I drive(and live out of) my rig for two-four weeks (500-3,000 miles) and am off the hardball for 90% time, Im going to call it an Expedition :flipoff2:

When the kids get older, and the rig is more broken in, Id love to take it South, but untill then, I guess Im stuck Exploring the National Forrest with 35"s and lockers :p

:::oh yeah, Ive been to 3rd world countries and have been shot at (and returned fire :flipoff2:), and they both sucked balls.
If you are dieing for some adventure, Google "Force Recon" and sign up.

One opinion to another....that is what makes us free! I would call you a redneck but who is more of a redneck...the guy living in Wyoming or the guy living in Alabama!? :flipoff2:

You take your kids and truck on a road trip to Badlands, Moab and back home then call it an expedition. Fine but I will still call it a road trip to do some wheeling and think you are confused with a strange sense of the word expedition. :laughing:

If you think my idea of fun is going to a war torn country and getting shot at most of what I posted above went right over your head. If all you have done is shoot at people and get shot at in that part of the world then you wouldn't have any idea why I like to go to the out of the way dangerous places. :shaking:

I didn't mention what type of 4x4 I have, how many I have or what size tires I run or where I take it. Don't feel the need to flex my epeen! You call it w/e you like but in reality it is 4x4 camping which comes in many forms. Ya know what? I think that is hella cool too and enjoy it a lot myself. Rock crawling, muddin', dirt tracks, river bottoms, deep fording, long off-road camping trips, touring and expeditions....I like it all and think it is all fun/cool. But I clearly know the difference for each and how vehicles are set up for specific things. In the USA rock crawling is the big thing, in parts of Europe and Russia it is winch comps in rough muddy deep water terrain such as Ladoga Trophy or the Croatia Trophy, in Oz it is usually a mix of all such as in the Outback Challenge or Tuff Truck and in Indonesia it is you and your truck vs the rain forest. All are different, all use different types of rigs set up different ways for specific things. Oh f*ck it I am not going to try and prove any more points!!

Buying a Rubicon and an offroad camping trailer, lifting it 4" and fitting a winch hardly makes a truck an "expedition" vehicle. I was simply stating my opinion, trying to prove a point and knew at least one (or several) post like yours would be the response to mine. :rolleyes::p

[TachedOutOffRoad]

What I have learned here is that you are an internet a-hole :flipoff2:

Its just like when the races call their rigs "cars." I think they are the exact opposite :D But I dont go in and tell them that "cars" are 2wd DD and in England they have these cool one seater that blow you while you are driving. NO! I just shake my head and call my truck a truck :flipoff2:

::::back to webwheeling

[dukguy]

http://www.globalxvehicles.com/

[slypig]

This is going to miss on a couple of criteria, won't hold a family of 5 and its two wheel drive.

VW Thing.

I helped my wifes brothers (2) build an expedition/touring rig. I forget everything we did to it, remember beefing the belly pan, best shocks we could find, off road lights... then we worked it as hard as we could in the Red Desert, sand, mud, rocks, heat, cold and wind. We broke some stuff and improved it when we could. I'm still amazed at the roads and off road that little rig could handle.

With the windshield folded down we crated it and all camping gear, then shipped it to Moroco. They spent 3 or 4 weeks in Moroco and were about to cross into Liberia when the Gulf War broke out and they were advised to stay out of Liberia. The plan was to get as far south as the little thing would carry them but they had to change plans and ended up in Ireland where they shipped the Thing back home. It eventually was abandoned in NY City after most of the parts were striped by vandals.

They tell a funny story about spinning a bearing, hiring a deaf mute mechanic
yet my engineer BL insisted on read him the shop manual, when he got to the part that says "Don't force bearing" the mechanic whacked it with a 5 pound brass mallet, it worked flawlessly for the next two years.

Thats one way to do expedition's on the cheap.

[czechsix]

I'd go with a FUSO.

[czechsix]

There is one auto Mog that I know of that I think is in CA somewhere. It is a big truck (U2450) and I believe was a factory prototype.

http://www.dansunimogs.com/images/P1240010.jpg

Yep, he lives real close to me. Semi-factory prototype, in that it was one of the test TwinDisc trucks. Really nice rig, but biiiiiiiig. Still, fun to go camping and wheeling with him, nice to see it on some trails.

[redstang410]

I think a better question is what would make a good expedition vehicle, rather than which would make one.

I live In Panama a few hours from the Darien Gap. I've never tried to cross it, Don't plan to anytime soon. Too many FARC rebels on the other side with big guns.

But i do know what works down here when you are a few days from home in the middle of the jungle.
1. Electronic controlled engines WILL FAIL. Its just a matter of when.
It usually happens during a river crossing as your truck gets washed downstream. Your engine floods and your computer or some other of its 100 sensors buys it. If your lucky it will start and you'll be able to limp home. If not,