This is for all of you comp. guys out there.

I will be releasing F-Toy specific window nets within a week or so.

I have been working with PRP to put together a complete kit that fits the window openings better than the standard square nets, and yes they will be mesh. They will have an angle to the A pillar and B pillar edge, and the kit will be offered with a weld-in A pillar tube, and latch kit.
I may need a little time to finalize pricing and to make sure that everything fits okay, but Mustard Dog and myself will be using them in the KOH race hopefully with a good report.

get on it... I don't want to weld in the tabs for my plain square one.

:beer:

Brett, can you also price them out for just the nets?

I'll take 2.

Cool---nice work!

I want one let me know when you get it all figured out.

I need colors available,and do you plan on passenger side ? What about cargo nets ?

Do you need one on both sides for comps? Or just driver? I will order 1-2 pending need to be comp legal. I do have a deadline of the first east coast comp. in April. (April, I think)

Dude, I was giving 80 proof poop, You only need the driver side since you are the only one in the car...:shaking::shaking::shaking:

As of right now the only color available is black.
And I can put together different options for latching, but not too many I am trying to standardize this thing. Passenger side will be available, I will be using 2 of them in three weeks and I will have some in MDs' X Chassis also.

Thanks for the interest, I will post up some pics. when I get them installed.

but if you run window nets you cant put your arms out and push yourself along....and with them 4 bangers i know you have to!:flipoff2:

You have a point but the DQ kills your point standings.

Since I'm running the KOH now. Any chance of getting a couple before then. I think I have to run them on both sides. Otherwise I'll just call summit

Since I'm running the KOH now. Any chance of getting a couple before then. I think I have to run them on both sides. Otherwise I'll just call summit



Yes, the nets and install kits will be ready to ship this week.
The first articles will be picked up tomorrow and I will give you all a report as soon as I install them. Send me a PM with your address, and ph#. I will also have pricing in a day or two.

I need 2 for Hobie's rig for KOH ASAP and 1 for mine.

The first samples are in!

1 Driver and 1 Passenger. Latch kits will be ready by Wednesday, and these will be ready to ship complete before the week is over.

Total price for one net and one latch kit (seat belt style latch) will be $90 dollars plus shipping."A" pillar tube optional.

KOH competitors, I will collect from you at the event, all other orders PM your address and we will do business there. Thanks for the interest, and the orders.

Those look nice, more bling! :D

Can or are you gona make some for the rear? I'm making my a 4 seater and like the idea of my kids hands not flying out if I were to flop. Mine isn't the Formula 4, just the standard Formula. :smokin:

Can or are you gona make some for the rear? I'm making my a 4 seater and like the idea of my kids hands not flying out if I were to flop. Mine isn't the Formula 4, just the standard Formula. :smokin:



The template is already made and I will be making samples after I recieve the first batch of standard nets. I will notify you as soon as I get a sample, you were the first to ask so I'll get you a set right away. Thanks.

Whats the deal with none of the welds being finished on that chassis... :flipoff2:

Whats the deal with none of the welds being finished on that chassis... :flipoff2:
maybe its a new weight shaving program

got paypal yet? :)

got paypal yet? :)



Not yet, but I will add that to my list of 300, 984,828,748 other things to have done by the end of the week.:laughing::laughing:
I'll let you know when I get set up.

Actually anyone with an email address has Paypal. You can pay his email acct then he can go setup afterward to claim the $$. That will force him to get it done.:laughing:

Alright, I know that I have been draggin out the ship dates on these damn things for a while now, but I recieved 2 batches that dimensionally did not match my template. I want these to fit the FULL window opening if an "A" pillar is installed and these didn't, so I sent them back.


I recieved the correct size today and the latch kits are already built, you will just need to assemble them and set up the latch to whatever fits you needs.

To ALL KOH competitors that ordered these, thank you for the business and your nets will be shipped tomorrow and you will recieve them on Friday. No extra charge for next day shipping.

Brett, how much for just the net's, no hardware??

thanks brett the nets worked out perfect.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dd36b3127cceb7757c441b1000000026108BZtmTNm0ai
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dd36b3127cceb7757f6ada9700000026108BZtmTNm0ai

anyone have a good pic of theirs installed yet?

Not the greatest view of the net but here's the #010 with the net installed. The #048 looks better. The front edge of the net aligns perfectly with the wing window bar.

thanks, still trying to get everything ready. Keeps adding up.

thanks, still trying to get everything ready. Keeps adding up.

I have one i'll loan you for this event. Just happens to be boxed and ready to ship (don't ask). Just replace it when you can. Let me know.

I have one i'll loan you for this event. Just happens to be boxed and ready to ship (don't ask). Just replace it when you can. Let me know.

:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:

I have one i'll loan you for this event. Just happens to be boxed and ready to ship (don't ask). Just replace it when you can. Let me know.
thanks, but we had one, just wanted to see one installed thats all.:)

:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:

:laughing::laughing:

Anyone have any current installed pics of the PRP nets? I am looking to order one, but not sure about fit. Talking with Big the other day, the new WEROCK rules should state that the net must be within 2 inches of all sides of the cage opening. I put the b piller in for additional support, but was told that the space between the a and b pillar must be covered as well, either with lexan, ar a net.

Should I just order a custom one from a to c? I'd rather not put the lexan in.

Anyone have any current installed pics of the PRP nets? I am looking to order one, but not sure about fit. Talking with Big the other day, the new WEROCK rules should state that the net must be within 2 inches of all sides of the cage opening. I put the b piller in for additional support, but was told that the space between the a and b pillar must be covered as well, either with lexan, ar a net.

Should I just order a custom one from a to c? I'd rather not put the lexan in.

That's a judgement call, IMHO. Window nets are to protect your hands/head from coming out of the window opening in a roll/flop.

Can your arm even reach the space between the a and b pillars?

My hand can reach it, since it's just forward of the steering wheel. However, my arm can't if I am buckled in.

In my opinion, the WE Rock rule is kind of taking it a little far but "IT IS WHAT IT IS and we have to comply. I am using a set from PRP that I got from Brett and I filled the foreword gap with a piece of lexan to get through the KOH race. I will get a clarification during tech inspection as to weather the current window net is legal by itself or not. I don't like the lexan being there. If the window net is not legal by itself, I will probably buy new ones for the rock crawling season.

I'm guessing that you will see the Rich's at KOH. Could you check if the "go fast rules" are going to pertain to the FTOY class for WEROCK. I am going to order my nets next week, but only want to order one.

I'm guessing that you will see the Rich's at KOH. Could you check if the "go fast rules" are going to pertain to the FTOY class for WEROCK. I am going to order my nets next week, but only want to order one.

You only need to have one window net for Rock Crawling competiton in an F-Toy cause you will never have a passenger. The only people that need to have 2 is the single seaters.

I knew that. What I meant is I only want to spend the money once to get a net. Not have to buy another one because this one doesn't meet the requirements.

I'll let you know what I find out from the Rich's next week.

Thanks.:beer:

I'll let you know what I find out from the Rich's next week.


Any updates on this John? I am getting ready to order a new net. Not sure I want to go the lexan route on the wing area.

Nothing was said at tech for KOH. Myself, Mustard Dog, and Hobie all ran the same thing. I put in lexan cause I was conserned. Hobie didn't and nothing was said.

OK, last time. No-one can seem to tell me if it IS legal to use the grommet and tie wrap for the lower mounting of the net. But NO-ONE is saying that it IS NOT legal either, so unless anyone says differently, I will be ordering my net with the grommet mounting on the bottom, and latch mount on top. And large enough to cover the entire window opening.

ANYONE???:confused:

OK, last time. No-one can seem to tell me if it IS legal to use the grommet and tie wrap for the lower mounting of the net. But NO-ONE is saying that it IS NOT legal either, so unless anyone says differently, I will be ordering my net with the grommet mounting on the bottom, and latch mount on top. And large enough to cover the entire window opening.

ANYONE???:confused:

I don't know for sure that you can use grommets and zip tie wraps, but worst case; if you can't use zipties, I believe you can use hose clamps into the same grommets.

As for covering the entire opening, can your hands reach through the "wing window" opening when you're securely strapped in?

If yes, then yes, you need it large enough to cover the entire opening.
If no, then you just need to cover from the wing window bar back to the b-pillar.

Hobie didn't and nothing was said.


thats cuz what i say goes:flipoff2:


and you cant use zip ties for window net, you can use hose clamp though.

Sweet. Thanks for the help. I think that is the route I am going. Then I only have to weld 1 tab and 1 buckle to the cage.

Sweet. Thanks for the help. I think that is the route I am going. Then I only have to weld 1 tab and 1 buckle to the cage.

Zip ties are not allowed. Here are the window net rules. I am suprised that hobie got away with it at KOH, that will not be the case at W.E.ROCK. However, due to website issues and posting of the rules, we will not mandate nets until the second event of each series. I suggest however, that you bring them to the first event so that you can make sure you are on the right page for the second event.

7.4: Safety Nets
7.4.1: Safety nets are mandatory on all vehicles competing and must cover the complete open window areas where the driver can reach out. Wing Window areas included if drivers can reach any portion of their body out while fully belted in. This does not include the Windshield gap.
7.4.2: Window Nets should be tight, so that no occupant should push the net out more than 4 inches (4 inches is what was recommended from DJ Safety, Simpson, Impact, and Crow)
7.4.3: Window nets should cover the entire main window area. Moreover that if a limb can come out in any way, the area must be netted.
7.4.4: Separation between the net and the cage may not be any greater than 2 inches at any point throughout the entirety of the design.
7.4.5: Nets must be secured by a positive locking mechanism and shall be installed so that the driver can release the netting and exit the vehicle unassisted regardless of vehicle position.
7.4.6: Netting must be installed on the inside of the roll cage bars so that it will not be damaged or come off the vehicle in the event of a roll-over or slide on the side.
7.4.7: The net’s border or edge and mounting materials must be made of materials that are as strong or stronger than the netting itself.
7.4.8: "Zip tie", plastic fastener, or "Velcro" systems are not permitted. Acceptable methods of tying the nets into the vehicle include: Hose Clamps, metal hooks, and steel rods. Attachment points must be welded tabs, holes drilled in the cage material- will NOT be allowed.
7.4.9: Arm restraints will be allowed but must be in addition to the required safety nets.
7.4.10: Vehicles with "Wing Areas" (the area between the A pillar and A pillar support bar) may keep the area open without netting unless reachable for the occupant while harnessed inside of vehicle.
7.4.11: Unlimited Class Single Seat Vehicles should have nets in both window areas on the driver's side and opposite where drivers can reach out both sides.

I am suprised that hobie got away with it at KOH,

7.4: Safety Nets
7.4.1: Safety nets are mandatory on all vehicles competing and must cover the complete open window areas where the driver can reach out. .


thats because my setup was not illegal. the rule says that the window net must cover the area where the driver can reach out. your dad and the tech guy, told me to sit in my seat and reach foward, they saw that my hands could not "reach out" as your rule says, and therefore i was completely within the saftey rules of werock

thats because my setup was not illegal. the rule says that the window net must cover the area where the driver can reach out. your dad and the tech guy, told me to sit in my seat and reach foward, they saw that my hands could not "reach out" as your rule says, and therefore i was completely within the saftey rules of werock

And these two rules would support my statement:

7.4.3: Window nets should cover the entire main window area. Moreover that if a limb can come out in any way, the area must be netted.
7.4.4: Separation between the net and the cage may not be any greater than 2 inches at any point throughout the entirety of the design.

And these two rules would support my statement:

7.4.3: Window nets should cover the entire main window area. Moreover that if a limb can come out in any way, the area must be netted.
7.4.4: Separation between the net and the cage may not be any greater than 2 inches at any point throughout the entirety of the design.

I think you guys are both right.

Hobie, please post a pic of the side of your car.

If Hobie has the "wing window bar" installed, and his seat is far enough back that his hand could never reach through that space, then wouldn't his car meet 7.4.3--the furthest extremity of his arm (his hand) couldn't come out, and the entire main window area is covered, and meet 7.4.4 because his net goes from bar to bar, and bar to bar???

I think you guys are both right.

Hobie, please post a pic of the side of your car.

If Hobie has the "wing window bar" installed, and his seat is far enough back that his hand could never reach through that space, then wouldn't his car meet 7.4.3--the furthest extremity of his arm (his hand) couldn't come out, and the entire main window area is covered, and meet 7.4.4 because his net goes from bar to bar, and bar to bar???

Correct

And these two rules would support my statement:

7.4.3: Window nets should cover the entire main window area. Moreover that if a limb can come out in any way, the area must be netted.
7.4.4: Separation between the net and the cage may not be any greater than 2 inches at any point throughout the entirety of the design.

i got to 7.4.1 and call it good:flipoff2:

I think you guys are both right.

Hobie, please post a pic of the side of your car.


so lil rich is saying i need a tube on the front part of my window net....





done:)

Just to keep all the tech in one spot in case someone searches this in the future:

Here's a "wing window bar" that would make Hobie's net legal. If your hand cannot reach past this bar!!

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll10/fire_201/100_6758.jpg

And my hand can reach past the bar when I am belted in. So I will be ordering my net to go all the way to the front windshield bar.

:laughing: Yeah, not trying to single you out--just posting it for tech for other's future reference (especially since 'Lil weighed in on this thread)

Your build thread was handy on the first page of the forum!

No problem, at least its getting noticed now:D:D:D

Here are some pics I promised from a few days ago. Sorry, business is booming right now. These worked last year. The way I read the rules they will not work this year.
Top mounting of buckle type release. Simple. Weld on 2 tabs
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z96/ftoy507/DSC00007-1.jpg
Bottom mount is the silver bar. Also very simple. Drilled holes in each end and welded a 2 nuts on the chassis.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z96/ftoy507/DSC00008-1.jpg
Here is the part that wont be legal. I can easily get my arm or hand out the front or rear.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z96/ftoy507/DSC00009.jpg

Luckily I have a fire suit/safety net company right down the road. (SAFEQUIP)

Here are some pics I promised from a few days ago. Sorry, business is booming right now. These worked last year. The way I read the rules they will not work this year.
Top mounting of buckle type release. Simple. Weld on 2 tabs
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z96/ftoy507/DSC00007-1.jpg
Bottom mount is the silver bar. Also very simple. Drilled holes in each end and welded a 2 nuts on the chassis.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z96/ftoy507/DSC00008-1.jpg
Here is the part that wont be legal. I can easily get my arm or hand out the front or rear.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z96/ftoy507/DSC00009.jpg

Luckily I have a fire suit/safety net company right down the road. (SAFEQUIP)

PM'd you about the nets

Cutting brakes huh? how do you lock those out for WErock comp? Same for rear disco.. Is it ok to just remove the handles?

Look closely the cutting brake has holes drilled in the handles. I can put a bolt in and lock the handles together. In the past it has not mattered that you have these options. It only matters if you used them. That could change.

Here are some pics I promised from a few days ago. Sorry, business is booming right now. These worked last year. The way I read the rules they will not work this year....
Here is the part that wont be legal. I can easily get my arm or hand out the front or rear.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z96/ftoy507/DSC00009.jpg

Luckily I have a fire suit/safety net company right down the road. (SAFEQUIP)

If you weld in a wing window bar, will your hand reach out through that space?

If so, you need to cover the whole opening; if your hand doesn't reach that spot, you could probably re-use your bars and just get a wider/deeper net. Am I reading this right? :D

I will need to try reaching out. I really dont know.

I am having a custom net made that will cover the entire window opening.
I am using the ribbon type. Any feedback??? The ribbon type seemed more safe to me. The manufacturer assured me they have the same safety rating.

I am having a custom net made that will cover the entire window opening.
I am using the ribbon type. Any feedback??? The ribbon type seemed more safe to me. The manufacturer assured me they have the same safety rating.


they are hard to see out of. you think you can, but then when you get on course and the fog of war sets in, you cant see out of them.

I am having a custom net made that will cover the entire window opening.
I am using the ribbon type. Any feedback??? The ribbon type seemed more safe to me. The manufacturer assured me they have the same safety rating.


I have to agree with Hobie. Ribbon is harder to see out of than fish net or string style nets. I have the ribbon on the Jeepspeed and it sucked compared to my KOH nets. my $.02

Thanks for .02 guys. I tend to agree with the visibility issue. On the positive side. Maybe if I cannot see I will pay more attention to my spotter and perform better.

If not it wont be the first $75 mistake I made in one of my hobbies. As a matter of fact it will be one of the least expensive mistakes ever.