is anyone doing it? Entry is $550 and will need to take a week off in Oct. I don't know, it seems like a zoo to me :rasta:
Any impressions on UROC?

Hey JR.. you have to place in the 10 ten out of any compeitition for this year.. and top truck doesnt count.

and its first come first serve

You can always kick ass in calrocs in septemeber if you want a chance at the super crawl...

Big entry fee means big payout. Event coverage should be great and at this point, it's the only event that puts the best of all series together at one event. 21 hours in the truck to NM......Can't wait to get there.

see ya,

tony k

Hey Tony.. your going to the supercrawl?? hope your supercharged beast kicks ass

Dont know if you remember me.. i should be the only red headed judge for calrocs.. ive done every event.. so my face should be familar

James

James,

Nice to put a name to a face. Love the Calrocs events this year and can't wait for the Supercrawl. After a few Pro Rock events that sucked, it's nice to come home and compete in your back yard. Should have the 3rd buggy done by then and planning on Kevin Yoder driving another 3.8 Supercharged rig. If rig #1 that I used last year is updated with it's 3.8 then I'll get a driver for it too. Hope to confuse you with 3 that look exactly alike........

see ya,

tony k

nah.. you cant confuse me.. you explained it back in reno.. so i kinda understand..


when ya gonna let me drive :D :D hell i only work 10 minutes from lincoln, and there has to be a few wheelin places around lincoln you can let me drive the buggy :D :rasta: :D :smokin:

Are you guys running in september for calrocs??

psst... ill drive #3 :p ;)

I got an invite. The purse is 52k.
Just wondering if anyone knows the vehicle rules. Tire size limits, rear steer etc. I Don't know much about UROC.

Calrocs is a go. No place to wheel in Lincoln unless you want to drive up my rti ramp. Lincoln has got to be the flatist city in the world. Call or come by anytime...for a drive through the alleys.


see ya,

tony k

well jr.. if uroc is similar to calrocs.. you will be in the unlimited class.. tire size above 39inches.. and rear steer.. now pin the rear steer for the competition.. and swap out to some 37's and you can probably run pro modified.. but then again.. im not sure on the requirements for the supercrawl

kinda hard to come by.. i know lincoln is a small town.. i dated a girl there.. but im not going door to door tryin to find your house

plus i dont know your number.. unless i rob some info from rich tomorrow at carnage

So at this point there are no rules for the Supercrawl ? I'm not planning on building rigs around rules but I would like to see them ahead of time. I think Rich is doing a great job but I'm still bent over the no points for rear steer deal that he sandbagged us with in the drivers meeting. But if that's all I've got to b!tch about with Rich then that's alot better then b!tching about nobody showing up to a ProRock event that's have way across the world. Don't ever trust, "we'll take care of you". That means a Sizzler dinner in Rock Talk.

see ya,

tony k

kinda hard to come by.. i know lincoln is a small town.. i dated a girl there.. but im not going door to door tryin to find your house

plus i dont know your number.. unless i rob some info from rich tomorrow at carnage

Rock Equipment
tony@rockequipment.com
www.rockequipment.com
916 645-2899

What girl in town ?

see ya,

tony k

Her name is heidi parkyn..

Her dad lynn.. is real big in the muscle car group out there.. he drives a lavander long bed 60's chevy truck.. or at least did a year and a half ago.



If you guys want to know anything about the supercrawl.. i can try my best to find out some info for you..

If you guys want to know anything about the supercrawl.. i can try my best to find out some info for you..


Thanks, please do.............

tony k

ok.. if the supercrawl is going by what uroc goes by.. there are two classes.. legend and unlimited..

Im assuming.. just assuming that rear steer is allows and puts you automatically in the unlimited class.

The class is mainly deterimned by the tire size.. 36 or smaller is legend.

37's or larger is unlimited

also.. it says turbo or superchargers.. are permitted for both legend and unlimited

I emailed craig stumph to find out more info from him

ill post the email when i recive it

I'm a bit late replying, but I'm pretty sure the rules for the Supercrawl will be the same as they have been for the UROC series. JR, you'll be in the unlimiteds, since you have a tube frame, over 36" tires, and rear steering. You may use your rear steering whenever you want to, but it'll cost you a 3 point penalty for each obstacle you use it on. Once you use it, you can keep using it as much as you want on that same obstacle with no further penalty.

Hope to see you there!

This is what is on their web site http://www.uroc4x4.com/

ok they don't have it up right now on that site, but here is the old site and it still has the 2002 rules posted http://www.uroc.rockcrawler.com/whats_new.html

Copied this from the 2002 UROC rules:

"Brakes.
The brake pedal on the floor must operate all four brakes. Competitors may use secondary brakes for operating individual brakes on the vehicle. Brakes must consist of two disc brakes and two drum brakes, four disk brakes or four drum brakes in the stock location at the wheels."

Really? What about those of us who have drive line brakes (only two)? Does that mean we can't enter?
Oh well, I was thinking about competing in the USUC series anyway.

Originally posted by ImKuNfusED
well jr.. if uroc is similar to calrocs.. you will be in the unlimited class.. tire size above 39inches.. and rear steer..

Ok James correct me if I am wrong but at the Reno event didn't Tracy Jordan run in the unlimited class? I'm sure of it and he was running the BFG Krawlers right? Maybe they just looked small but they did not look over 39's. More like 37's. So what's up?
Good job at Carnage and thanks for always being in my way.:D:flipoff2: :D

Phil:usa:

Originally posted by JR
Copied this from the 2002 UROC rules:

"Brakes.
The brake pedal on the floor must operate all four brakes. Competitors may use secondary brakes for operating individual brakes on the vehicle. Brakes must consist of two disc brakes and two drum brakes, four disk brakes or four drum brakes in the stock location at the wheels."

Really? What about those of us who have drive line brakes (only two)? Does that mean we can't enter?
Oh well, I was thinking about competing in the USUC series anyway.

I believe I have read an addendum(sp?) to the rules stating a driveline brake is OK...I will email Craig and find out for sure for ya...the UROC series has been an awesome series and has tested ANY vehicle that has entered it...I would love to see yours at the Supercrawl:D:D:D

Originally posted by TJpwr


Ok James correct me if I am wrong but at the Reno event didn't Tracy Jordan run in the unlimited class? I'm sure of it and he was running the BFG Krawlers right? Maybe they just looked small but they did not look over 39's. More like 37's. So what's up?
Good job at Carnage and thanks for always being in my way.:D:flipoff2: :D

Phil:usa: ]

Rear steer and forced articulation puts tracy in the unlimited class..

and no problem.. i like seein myself in the pictures :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Oh yeah i never got in the way of the picture of jeff.. i was in the right side of the picture.. he was in the left

nice shot tho

and his tires are a 37x12.5x17 bfg crawlers

he could run a set of 31inch a/t's and still be in the unlimited class with those two items i mentioned

Originally posted by ImKuNfusED
]

Rear steer and forced articulation puts tracy in the unlimited class..

and no problem.. i like seein myself in the pictures :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Oh yeah i never got in the way of the picture of jeff.. i was in the right side of the picture.. he was in the left

nice shot tho

and his tires are a 37x12.5x17 bfg crawlers

he could run a set of 31inch a/t's and still be in the unlimited class with those two items i mentioned

oh yeah no shit. That was a big brain fart.:eek: Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes you were out of the way this time and I'm sure you planned it.:flipoff2: :D

Phil:usa:

just because you have some strange fasicanation about having me in your pictures, you cant blame me on that one :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ImKuNfusED
just because you have some strange fasicanation about having me in your pictures, you cant blame me on that one :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Hey now this is going way to far. What they hell are you talking about?:D I know you Judges have to do your jobs. I just wish I had a media pass. So I could get you out of my way;)

Phil:usa:

You know how many times i get in the way of the media walking thru my course?? More than i get in front of your camera..

by the way.. wernt you wearing a yellow media pass.. i thought i saw one on you..

Originally posted by TONY K
So at this point there are no rules for the Supercrawl ? I'm not planning on building rigs around rules but I would like to see them ahead of time. I think Rich is doing a great job but I'm still bent over the no points for rear steer deal that he sandbagged us with in the drivers meeting. But if that's all I've got to b!tch about with Rich then that's alot better then b!tching about nobody showing up to a ProRock event that's have way across the world. Don't ever trust, "we'll take care of you". That means a Sizzler dinner in Rock Talk.

see ya,

tony k

What the Hell do you mean "sandbagged" The Unlimited class rules for CalROCS have always stated that rear steer and forced suspension designs are OK:D There's a spot on the web site www.calrocs.com that shows the classifications limitations, YOU should have read THEM:D :D

As far as UROC and the rules, and CalROCS: Uroc is trying to accommidate and the classes and set ups that all the different promoters are using.....stay tuned to their website for more info coming shortly.

Rich

I just heard back from Craig and he said, "Rockwells with drive line brakes are OK."
Craig


hopefully we will see you there:D

Yeah.. i just got a email back from craig too.. There are two classes similar for Uroc, but the rules are still being defined..

Hes also looking at a third class similar to calrocs rules, but if not definate on it yet

What the Hell do you mean "sandbagged" The Unlimited class rules for CalROCS have always stated that rear steer and forced suspension designs are OK There's a spot on the web site www.calrocs.com that shows the classifications limitations, YOU should have read THEM

As far as UROC and the rules, and CalROCS: Uroc is trying to accommidate and the classes and set ups that all the different promoters are using.....stay tuned to their website for more info coming shortly.

Rich

I did read them,

I never had a problem with the rear steer, only that it rules on the web site said points would be added for using it between gates. We found out differently at the drivers meeting in Victorville 10 minutes before game time.

Victorville didn't matter that much because traction was more important then rear steer. But at Moonrocks, where it was basicly a turning contest, rear steering was huge without points.

Your not the only one to do it. Las Cruises in November, Hazel changed the rules for rear steer at the drivers meeting the night before. he made it a penilty for using it when the rules he had posted at the time said it was not.

I don't care what the rules are, just so they stay the same as what's posted.

On to more important talks......the 4th was a fund raiser that looks like it was a big success. Great turn out of spectators. Nice job.

tony k

Originally posted by TONY K

Your not the only one to do it. Las Cruises in November, Hazel changed the rules for rear steer at the drivers meeting the night before. he made it a penilty for using it when the rules he had posted at the time said it was not.

I don't care what the rules are, just so they stay the same as what's posted.

tony k

Yeah, I was there and voiced my opinion to the point where it made Bob H. uncomfortable about the last minute change.
At the time, my car was built to use rear steering sense there was no deduction for using it. It's good and long. But with the last minute change, it was at a disadvantage to short W.B. rigs because I can't use the equipment that was built into the car.

I have to run the "unlimited" or "trophy" class because of the design of the car. Why is there a point deduction for using the equipment that's on the car? Give us a class where we can build what we want... and use it.
Is rear steering more unconventional than brake steering?

JR,

I didn't care what the rules are just don't change them. 4 wheel steer rigs got screwed in las Cruises only because we found out about a rule change at the event. Maybe if someone knew this was the rule, then they would have brought a different rig, changed classes, or didn't go. That's my only point.

Supercrawl rules concern me only because it sounds like every event promoter is involved. Will the rules panel get last minute pressure to modify a rule.....that's what bothers me.

see ya,


tony k

TONY K,
I talked with Craig S. he said the rules are still being worked out.
In fact the , the whole event is still being worked out. I get the impression he is having a hard time filling it.
He did seem like a nice guy though.

Are you doing it? which class?

Filling it with rigs? NM isn't close for too many people, but I bet everyone will show.

If there are three classes, stock, pro mod, unlimited with out points ofr rear steer, I would go pro mod class. If there are points for using rear steer then I'd go unlimited.

We may not get a choice, may have to run the class you qualified in, unlimited.

Currently building buggy #3 and with do rear steering in this one just so we have more options at an event.

Next year we'll run 1 in pro mod and 1 in unlimited at every event, that leaves 1 extra as a floater or if a rig is detroyed the weekend before, we have a backup.

Can anyone firm up the Pro-mod class rules- I'm pretty sure that's where I'd be. NM is one of the closer places for me, just lots of vacation time to use up.

Shaffer and I will be there!
We don't need no stinkin' rear steer or twin sticks! :flipoff2:

Lance, I figured you of all people would have the skinny on the rules (And the taco bell menu). I thought i remembered hearing pro-mod needed tires that measured 36" or less regardles of sidewall markings (not that there arte any left). Can you confirm?

Originally posted by G02Guy
Lance, I figured you of all people would have the skinny on the rules (And the taco bell menu). I thought i remembered hearing pro-mod needed tires that measured 36" or less regardles of sidewall markings (not that there arte any left). Can you confirm?

Pro Mod is 40" or smaller. Now keep in mind that UROC doesn't have a Pro Mod class, CalROCS does. If the super crawl does adopt the pro mod class, here are all of the CalROCS rules:
http://www.calrocs.com/rules.html

I just got off the phone with Craig Stump and all the Top Truck competitors are invited. Thanks for the message JR, I am waiting for the info to show up from Craig right now. If I can get my jeep narrowed in time I will definatly be there. It's way too wide for this type of comp. I will give you a call when I know for sure.

Originally posted by TJpwr


Ok James correct me if I am wrong but at the Reno event didn't Tracy Jordan run in the unlimited class? I'm sure of it and he was running the BFG Krawlers right? Maybe they just looked small but they did not look over 39's. More like 37's. So what's up?
Good job at Carnage and thanks for always being in my way.:D:flipoff2: :D

Phil:usa:

The Krawlers aren't DOT approved yet, are they? Could be that was part of the issue with 'em??? Or, maybe it was something else.

TEX

hey guys, how are you? long time no seeing...

i got an invitation from Craig Stumph to compete in the supercrawl
and - believe it or not - i intend to be there.

the only thing that bothers me, is that i allready shipped the frog
back to Israel :(
unfortunately, i got the invitation two weeks AFTER it was shipped, but, being crazy as i am, i'll ship it back and be there.
the only thing is that the sponsors will have to cover this extra cost, too.

what tires would you run if you were in my shoes?
i thought of 48"s like the raptor used in the TTC, but i'm not sure.
could use your advise here.

see you in Farmington N.M.:beer: ;)

Tex- I checked- says Dot something or other right on the side.

Ken

Frog- hard for me to imagine anything over 40" having an advantage in Farmington. Many top place finishers are doing it with 36-38" tires. Of course if I go you might be competing against me ummm- bring the biggest tires you've got;)

Originally posted by G02Guy
Tex- I checked- says Dot something or other right on the side.



Cool, guess they're 'bout ready to rock with true production tires :)

TEX

Originally posted by the frog
what tires would you run if you were in my shoes?
i thought of 48"s like the raptor used in the TTC, but i'm not sure.
could use your advise here.

see you in Farmington N.M.:beer: ;)

frog, you need to shrink your rig down a bit. Anything over a 39.5" tire in Farmington is useless, IMO.

Originally posted by G02Guy

Frog- hard for me to imagine anything over 40" having an advantage in Farmington. Many top place finishers are doing it with 36-38" tires.

would you still say this, considering i run 2.5 ton rockwells?

i see your point, but i thought that ground clearance is important
there. i don't know the place so i can't tell how critical that factor might be:confused: :emb:

How about shaving your rockwells like a few guys on the board have done? Check out all the photos on Farmington on this site. 80% of it is going verticle.

frog, here is a typical obstacle in farmington:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/trailreports/arca_farmington2001/saturday/Image025.jpg

Originally posted by Lance


frog, you need to shrink your rig down a bit. Anything over a 39.5" tire in Farmington is useless, IMO.

Hi Lance, good to hear from you.

what would you suggest? Boggers are absolutly out of a question. i thought of TSLs, but what size with those rockwells?

And another.....
http://www.pirate4x4.com/trailreports/arca_farmington2001/saturday/Image053.jpg

More here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/trailreports/arca_farmington2001/

Originally posted by the frog


Hi Lance, good to hear from you.

what would you suggest? Boggers are absolutly out of a question. i thought of TSLs, but what size with those rockwells?

I would guess the best tire for your application would probably be a 39.5 TSL.

Originally posted by Lance


I would guess the best tire for your application would probably be a 39.5 TSL.

i guess you're right, i just did'nt know they make 39.5" TSLs.

BTW, if most of the obstacles are vertical, i think my long
WB(131") should be an advantage there.

say hello to Kelly(you know, the one that outwheels me;) ...)

Originally posted by the frog

BTW, if most of the obstacles are vertical, i think my long
WB(131") should be an advantage there.


That is a little long! You will have problems in the tight turns! How wide are you?

Originally posted by Lance


That is a little long! You will have problems in the tight turns! How wide are you?

with the Boggers i'm 100"!!!!!!

i guess i can get to be about 94" with the TSLs.

because of these dimentions, i installed rear steering which makes the rig act like it was a stock TJ, or so.

think i'm gonna have trouble in those tight turns??

Originally posted by the frog


with the Boggers i'm 100"!!!!!!

i guess i can get to be about 94" with the TSLs.

because of these dimentions, i installed rear steering which makes the rig act like it was a stock TJ, or so.

think i'm gonna have trouble in those tight turns??

Yes, because they charge penalty points for using rear steer.

Originally posted by the frog


think i'm gonna have trouble in those tight turns??

be carefull with the rear steer on a vertical course, i've seen it put a couple rigs over, when the wheels are turned, and trying to climb.

Originally posted by BornInAJeep


be carefull with the rear steer on a vertical course, i've seen it put a couple rigs over, when the wheels are turned, and trying to climb.

I've also seen vehicle that just about nobody makes it up and the rear steer vehicles walk right up it by being able to place front and rear tires in the appropriate places...

So Frog you are at 100" and can get to 94"...WOW thats wide...I think the gates are only 100" from top of cone to top of cone, maybe they're a little more than that but DAYUM thats wide:D

Damn dude thats too cool, thats some serious dedication. I think your truck is gonna have jet lag. I talked to Craig too and I think I'm gonna show up. Craig and I were talking a little about width the other day because I am concerned my jeep is too wide. He was saying 80 - 83" is about ideal. My front is 91" and the rear is 85". I have talked to a couple of people that have been to Farmington that said being wide should help alot there. Most of the vert stuff is not straight up, it's a little off camber one way or the other and the stability should help. It's gonna suck in the tight turns but you can't have it all. I've never been there either so I'm trying to get all the input I can from people who have. Gueas we'll never know till we go. Hope to see you there, might have a little TCC reunion.:smokin:

For what ever its worth , Craig said he's going for a more open course, lots of room between cones, but long, steep harry climbs. We'll see.
Barry, get some videos of pro rockcrawling comps, like Calrocs or ARCA. You can get a better idea of what to expect :D

Originally posted by Lance


Yes, because they charge penalty points for using rear steer.

I was reading also the rules and that "penalty for rear steering" rule sure surprised me. Here in Europe in Prototype class we can use rear wheel steering as much as we want. So why it is not allowed in UROC? Is it that the cars would saty more front wheel steered and so on they would be cheaper or what's the point?? I think that penalty thing sucks :)

I also got mail from Graig Stumph about this Super Crawl and I'm sure interested (I send my contact info to him to get the invitation by mail) to come there, but it's just so damn expensive. So we'll have to wait and see how the sponsors take it. It sure would be nice to get our Alfaster to there and compete with that one..... and who knows, maybe after the competition someone might want to buy it?????

Jare, Finland

Hey Rich,

People were spreading rumors that the Super Crawl is not going to happen when we were out at the last RRCA even. I don't know if it was because really believe that. Or that they weren't going to be able to make it and didn't want others to join. Or that they want to be in it and tried to have less competition. :confused:

I told them that I was going to be in it and I haven't heard anything.

So tell me Rich, is it possible that they are NOT going to have the UROC's World Super Crawl?

Originally posted by 4x4Grrl
Hey Rich,
People were spreading rumors that the Super Crawl is not going to happen when we were out at the last RRCA even. I don't know if it was because really believe that. Or that they weren't going to be able to make it and didn't want others to join. Or that they want to be in it and tried to have less competition. :confused:
I told them that I was going to be in it and I haven't heard anything.
So tell me Rich, is it possible that they are NOT going to have the UROC's World Super Crawl?

Kelly and everyone else, here is what I know about the SuperCrawl, it is still going to happen. Craig Stump (UROC) has asked that CalROCS supply some judges and competitor contact info., and sponsors. These I'll do, they also have a backup plan in case things fall through in New Mexico. We have also talked about classes and rules, but these issues I have no control what so ever over. This is UROC's show so the best thing to do is to contact UROC and Craig Stump.

Rich