Saw your post in the general about Milemarker winches. Wanted to ask for a long time about these but I'm scared too.

I like them, all except using the pwr. steering pump for power.
Any reason a regular hydraulic pump can't be used sorta like the old snow plow setups. Just add it on like another accesory.
And is 3.5 gpm 1500 psi correct???
I will look around for some pump specs in the meantime. Also thinking about using some sort of accumulator in case the motor goes dead as a like one minute back up.
Any info would be appreciated.

wp

I can not remember the GPM or the max PSI rating of a stock pump but I am sure that the MileMarkers information is accurate...

The use of an electric pump is kind of interesting as an alternative to using the P/S pump though. I would not mind researching the capabilities of an 12V DC pump and tank set up. When I designed Class A diesel pusher motorcoaches we used this kind of system for the self leveling jacks. Very similar setup to the Lowrider boyz and what you can buy from like "REDS" hydraulics. The only thing that I am not sure about is the amp draw and continous duty...

A seperate system would be tight though!!!):eek:

I love my unit as it is...like I mentioned think ahead and put an in line cooler and possibly an auxillary fan to it that way you can remote mount it in a tight spot if needed. Plus it will help with the long idling times that you might incure.

I will post some pics of my set up this weekend (if time allows)

Originally posted by Harvester of Sorrow


A seperate system would be tight though!!!)



I would say its the only way to go ... cause you know.. those hydro winches work so well when your upside down and NOT RUNNING:p


secondary electic over hrdro setup would be way sweet :smokin:

Originally posted by cornfedred



secondary electic over hrdro setup would be way sweet :smokin:

Why not just use electric?

Originally posted by Hayraker


Why not just use electric?

Beuty of the hydro set up is you can run it all day (pulling newbies around) with out worring about killing it. Electics have a very short duty cycle.

If you went to an electric/hydrolic power unit, many are high duty cycle rated, which would be good, best of both worlds. But even a short duty cycle would be good as a secondary power unit for those times when you can't use the engine.

heavy and more weight, I think electric will be fine for me....:D

Might go Hydro for a rear winch though.....

Well really i was thinking the old belt style pumps way way way back there like 70's. I have a new western uni mount though so i see what your saying electric/hyd. setup.

Stock IH pump is rated 1100-1200 psi bypass according to the book. Helping a guy on another site with his steering box so i brushed up.

Just some thoughts but price does factor in to electrics.
Figure i'd need 2 good bateries, high out put alt and i am right there with hyd. setup.


wp

hydraulics are very strong. you could pull houses down with one all day long and not exceed it's duty cycle. the downside is they are sssslllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwww ! so, if speed is a concern the electric may be the way to go. plenty of damn fine electric ones out there too. i haven't decided which side of the fence i'm gonna land on yet, but i'm leaning a little more on the electric side here lately..... fwiw

One of the guys in my club had a MM Hydro winch a few years ago it was only on it till the first time he had to pull with it, they are way to slow so now hes Electric with a Warn 8274 and the MM went onto his Surburban.

The answer is yes. A friend has reasearched theat problem already and found that a $300 clutch pump like thoes on the compressor for the AC would work well. He also did some calculations by boosting the pressure up to about 1800-1900 (max being 2000 for the valves that MM gives ya) and found that he could pull 19,800 pounds. He called MM and asked what the drum was rated at. They tested it up to 25,000 with no bending of the drum so yer good there as well.

Mark, yea they are great for winch hill duty all day long.

Why is everyone so concerned about speed when it comes to winching? Everyone is like speed freaks. I do know that the benifit list i can see only has this so far: Faster winching of a downed rig would get it tire side down and keep fluids from leaking out. What else is there electric guys?

I remember a comparison test in one of the off-road magazines and the milemarker didn't do very well. Had lots of problems. Guess they have the bugs worked out now? I think the key to electrics is to keep them clean and not overload them. I've seen guys use them on and off all day long without a problem. Usually they don't get used that much as most guys opt for the strap first anyway. I know some guys will winch their way up an entire trail (like surprise canyon), but that wouldn't be any fun to me.

Little more info visited Northern today.

MM cost is $800 for the 10,500# its listed weight is 97 lbs a few pounds lighter than than the other electric wenches they sold.

Several styles of pumps $89 dollars for a 22 gpm 2000psi operating RPM was only 3600 so some type of clutch system would be needed but really thats my first look around for options.

Line speed does not bother me it was listed as 45 fpm I think maybe wrong.

Yea wonder about how strong they would be with a little higher PSI on them. Interesting glad I asked.

wp

high speed is actually very usfull, mainly so your less likely to out run your winch cable when you *just* need a little help from it or your using it as a safty cavble in a hairy spot, or in a competition evironment, where speed matters.

There are times when slow is fine, and most "high speed" electrics actualy slow down when you really load them (my HS did today :D). But there are also times when fast is good, expecialy to take up cable...

I pulled my MM two days ago and replaced it with an electric one. I boosted my powersteering pump and have a heavy duty cooler and it did pull real hard. But I have also used it so much that I had to pack snow on the cooler becauce the fluid was getting so hot that the winch would not pull. Down side of HYD is if the engine isn't running neither is the winch, if the truck is on its roof do you really want your engine running trying to get you up righted and not to mention the line speed. It also takes two guys to pull the dam cable out. We had to pull a Heep from Rubicon Springs up Cadilac Hill and out of the con last year (Fuel injection and the fuel pump went out), Well there were a couple of spots on Cadilac we couldnt pull him so he had to winch and when the battery died we would swap one from a running truck and keep him moving and charge the dead battery. Do that with a HYD winch.

That is the great thing about the INTERNET....

We are all right!

I've just got a cross hydro pump to run off the transfer case, should be shoving 11gpm at 3000 rpm.

I'm scrapping the MM valves and installing larger manual ones.

Will report back in a few weeks when it works or has blown up!

Cool, Cool, sounds interesting.

Now here is a thought. If you are in any kind of wheeling that you flip on your lid, then you should be with someone else for safty reasons and they can winch you upright then you can go from there. Okay another option is to have the guys from Worlds strongest man competitions riding shotgun so they can flip you back over....See no problems:D :D

Does anyone still run the PTO winches anymore? The 10,000# Ramsey on my Dad's 1973 Travelall was awesome. Any line speed you need--just stick the trans in gear.

I remember on time at the lake, my Dad was trying to help a truck out of the mud when he also became stuck in the goo. He told the guy to lock his brakes and turn his wheels so the Travelall could get unstuck. Even with the Travelall tires turning, my Dad drug the stuck pickup about 50' before he was out. The trench the pickup left looked like it was made by a tractor. I was laughing my ass off the whole time this was happening.:p

I wish that old truck was still here.:(

I don't think electric winches are "fast" they're actually pretty slow.

As far as extracting yourself or someone else from an unfortunate situation, who cares how slow it is, just as long as it gets the job done.

As far as using it on a dedicated winch trail...:zzz: :zzz: :zzz: wake me up when you get to the top.

i was thumbing thru one of the idustrial suply books last night, and aperently ramsy offers a 8k lb hydro winch that pulls 52 ft/mi.... @at full load.. dam! and people say that hydro's are slow.. lol.. put 8k on a uprite and how fast is it? mayny 5-7ft/min?

oh and the winch was only 800 and some change.. so my warn 9k may be for sale soon..



woohoo! this is my 100th post ! no longer a newbie!:flipoff2:

So T1H5_TA3, when you going to hook up with some of us other seattle area binders and wheel???? Don't think I've ever met you.

Originally posted by T1H5_TA3
i was thumbing thru one of the idustrial suply books last night, and aperently ramsy offers a 8k lb hydro winch that pulls 52 ft/mi.... @at full load.. dam! and people say that hydro's are slow.. lol.. put 8k on a uprite and how fast is it? mayny 5-7ft/min?

oh and the winch was only 800 and some change.. so my warn 9k may be for sale soon..



woohoo! this is my 100th post ! no longer a newbie!:flipoff2:


Hmm, and I have been looking for a used nice slow 9K winch that I could pick up from a local wheeler for a hundred bucks or so.... :D

lol.. im going to try to have it streetable for oct 19'th.. right now i just put around the property (no brakes) i got a bunch ofstuff i want to get done first ie longer shocks so they dont limit travel disks etc..

see pat, if you and your inlaw had found the scout a day sooner you'd have it :flipoff2: winch swaping will be a few months off still tho..

Originally posted by T1H5_TA3
lol.. im going to try to have it streetable for oct 19'th.. right now i just put around the property (no brakes) i got a bunch ofstuff i want to get done first ie longer shocks so they dont limit travel disks etc..

see pat, if you and your inlaw had found the scout a day sooner you'd have it :flipoff2: winch swaping will be a few months off still tho..

Day late and a dollar short... ;)