Im building a front scout 44 and am going high steer. I have GM flat top knuckles that are six stud question is will waggy spindles and caliper brackets work? Chevy spindles are different and i want to still be able to run the scout hubs if possible. I dont want to change the bolt pattern of the wheels.

Back-up and switch everything to Ford 1/2 ton spindles-out with Ford 3/4 ton knuckles. The 3/4 ton knuckles will be flat top, while the 1/2 ton outers will keep your 5-5.5 wheel pattern. :grinpimp:

Im building a front scout 44 and am going high steer. I have GM flat top knuckles that are six stud question is will waggy spindles and caliper brackets work? Chevy spindles are different and i want to still be able to run the scout hubs if possible. I dont want to change the bolt pattern of the wheels.

Use your Chevy/Waggy spindles, calipers, brackets and outer shafts, then go buy some Ford five-lug hubs and rotors. Voila.

Use your Chevy/Waggy spindles, calipers, brackets and outer shafts, then go buy some Ford five-lug hubs and rotors. Voila.

Careful.... the Ford hubs will only work on the Chevy small bearing spindles (pre '76). After that, the Chevy spindles changed to a larger bearing and the Ford hubs will not fit.

Another choice of hubs is Dodge 5 on 5.5". The Dodge hubs will fit the new style large bearing spindles.

Careful.... the Ford hubs will only work on the Chevy small bearing spindles (pre '76). After that, the Chevy spindles changed to a larger bearing and the Ford hubs will not fit.



Yeah, '77 is when GM went to 10 bolts. I always think of the Dana axles on these brake swaps instead of the corporate axles.

ok guys thanks for the replys but im trying to use what i have because im on a budget. i want to use the knuckles that i have and the factory hubs if i can. so what spindle if any can i run on these knuckles and still use my factory hub? I know that waggy spindles are six lug but i dont know if they will work with my hub? any ideas? like i said i want to use what i have if possible im on a budget. Thanks again to all

Careful.... the Ford hubs will only work on the Chevy small bearing spindles (pre '76). After that, the Chevy spindles changed to a larger bearing and the Ford hubs will not fit.

Another choice of hubs is Dodge 5 on 5.5". The Dodge hubs will fit the new style large bearing spindles.

What year dodge? I've been doing some hunting for new hubs for just this swap but most of the 5 on 5.5 70s and 80s Dodge stuff is all unit-bearing full-time crap.

Why don't you just re-drill the chevy knuckle for the 8 bolt IH spindle. I've read of others doing this without problems.

What year dodge? I've been doing some hunting for new hubs for just this swap but most of the 5 on 5.5 70s and 80s Dodge stuff is all unit-bearing full-time crap.

I don't remember exactly what year I grabbed mine off of, but I believe it was an '83 Ramcharger.

Why don't you just re-drill the chevy knuckle for the 8 bolt IH spindle. I've read of others doing this without problems.

I redrilled mine back in 2001'ish or so, ran then for 3-4 years - no problems. I was trying to be cheap and reuse my Scout crap....

But I have since learned my lesson and gotten even cheaper and use all Chevy crap now :flipoff2:

If you have all the waggy stuff, ditch the scout stuff, buy the aforementioned Ford hub/rotor from the auto parts store (you can get them for as cheap as $35 ea. assembled usually) and be done with better, stronger stuff.


The waggy spindles are the small-bearing spindles mentioned.


Sell the Scout shit to make pretty much all your money back (or more).

Waggys had big and little spindles as well depending on the year.

i didnt have the waggy stuff but heard that i worked but i wanted to make sure before i tried to get the stuff. i never thought about redrilling the knuckle. good point and a way to be cheap too. thanks again guys

i didnt have the waggy stuff but heard that i worked but i wanted to make sure before i tried to get the stuff. i never thought about redrilling the knuckle. good point and a way to be cheap too. thanks again guys

Google.... :flipoff2:

http://ihsto.org/SOAtech/flattop8bolt.jpg

From here:

Some gaytards Scout website (http://www.ihsto.org/SOAtech/chevysoapage.htm) :D :D

Whatever happened to the IH pickup knuckle idea? Didn't some of those have the flat top knuckles on the pass side.

I believe IH4EVER did just that on his front 44 and retained the stock scout discs and spindles.

Whatever happened to the IH pickup knuckle idea? Didn't some of those have the flat top knuckles on the pass side.

I believe IH4EVER did just that on his front 44 and retained the stock scout discs and spindles.

They did when they ditched the closed knuckle axles, IIRC in 71. I did this a few years ago also. Looking back redrilling them for the scout spindles was a wasted effort.

Whatever happened to the IH pickup knuckle idea? Didn't some of those have the flat top knuckles on the pass side.

I believe IH4EVER did just that on his front 44 and retained the stock scout discs and spindles.

I did mine this way 1st time around and it worked great. Now......you just have to find some.........:D

I believe the IH pickup flat tops with eight spindle bolts were only in '74 & '75. Using them or redrilling a six bolt pair of flat tops will work, but you still end up with harder to find brake parts, weak-ass external lockouts and those puny little D30 sized stub shafts. Switching over to all Chevy/Ford stuff from the knuckles out gives you cheap and easy to find brake parts, stronger internal lockouts and a bigger/stronger stub shaft.

now im thinking about strength and running chevy stuff, but idk. I wanted to stay with 5 lug wheels but six would be ok with me. If i did will waggy rear shafts work to make it all six lug? i know they are slightly different lengths but its just that small difference.

now im thinking about strength and running chevy stuff, but idk. I wanted to stay with 5 lug wheels but six would be ok with me. If i did will waggy rear shafts work to make it all six lug? i know they are slightly different lengths but its just that small difference.

[foghorn leghorn voice] I say... pay attention, son! [/foghorn leghorn voice]
Use Ford hubs/rotors and keep the 5 on 5.5". :homer:

I don't remember exactly what year I grabbed mine off of, but I believe it was an '83 Ramcharger.

That sounds about right from what I remember of the research I did a few weeks ago.

There's also some 5 on 5 crap to watch out for, too, IIRC.

now im thinking about strength and running chevy stuff, but idk. I wanted to stay with 5 lug wheels but six would be ok with me. If i did will waggy rear shafts work to make it all six lug? i know they are slightly different lengths but its just that small difference.

Like Mechanos just said.. FORD 5 on 5.5 hub and rotor. You can even rob them from a buddy that's dumping his TTB front end for a 60. They'll work just fine.

I have two Scouts with Ford 5 on 5.5 hub and rotor combos on them, and the new racer will be #3.

If you're hell bent on using the existing Scout II hubs/rotors/lockouts, you can run a Scout II Dana 30 drum brake spindle. It's the same as a SII Dana 44 spindle except it's 6 bolt instead of 8.

If you do that, you'll need to use a Chevy/FSJ caliper mount and FSJ caliper. Your existing brake line will bolt up to the FSJ caliper only if it's the one with the larger banjo bolt. The smaller Chevy banjo bolt caliper won't work and you'll have to get new brake hoses.

-Gary

Mechanos, i was talking about the rear shafts in post #19 not the front. i was thinking that they would work if i decided to go with all six lug stuff on the front from a chevy then i would like to make the rear match so it would all be six lug. but i think ill just redrill the knuckles and use the scout stuff that i have now.

Back-up and switch everything to Ford 1/2 ton spindles-out with Ford 3/4 ton knuckles. The 3/4 ton knuckles will be flat top, while the 1/2 ton outers will keep your 5-5.5 wheel pattern. :grinpimp:

ive done my searching here and went to the u-pull-it browsing around while getting some other stuff for the rig, but i want to be 100% next time i get out there, im starting from scratch but i do know there are no 4wheel drive IH trucks there. there are plenty of waggys, fords and chevys, there were also ramchargers and old dodge stuff with flattops but i want to do it right the first time. so i fully understand, the way to go is to grab some 3/4 ton ford 44 flat top knuckles, with 1/2 ton spindles, rotors, calipers and hubs? this would be a bolt up to my scout 44 and i could use my stock stub or do i grab that from the FERD too? thanks fellas..

As a heads up, the Ford TTB 44 spindles are the same 6 hole pattern as GM spindles.

Therefore Ford TTB spindles will bolt onto GM knuckles, and then use the hubs, bearings, lockouts, stubs, everything for a TTB44.

Justin

As a heads up, the Ford TTB 44 spindles are the same 6 hole pattern as GM spindles.

Therefore Ford TTB spindles will bolt onto GM knuckles, and then use the hubs, bearings, lockouts, stubs, everything for a TTB44.

Justin

I knew that, but are they the same length as the Chevy spindles? What do you use for a caliper stand, since IIRC the caliper bracket is cast into the TTB knuckle?

Well, i may have very well over looked something there.

The 6 hole TTB spindle is about 1/4" shorter than the GM spindle due to the claiper bracket, and since the caliper bracket bolts on after the spindle I could see it causing some clearance issues.

Therefore I retract my premature statement and will go hide in the corner for a while.

Justin

FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Is it tuesday? is the search button broken? Are all the newbs foriegn and thier translator programs are fuct?

God damn it!:mad3:

Chevy flat top knuckles, chevy caliper brackets, chevy calipers, SMALL bearing chevy spindle(not Ford spindle, dont even try!)Chevy stub shaft, Ford 5x5.5 hub and rotor. Yeah, I know its gonna blow your fucking mind to put a Ford hub on a chevy spindle but you know what....IT WORKS! Some Wagoneer parts work too but I'm not gonna say which ones because you fucking dick knuckles's heads would explode. God forbid we mix and match vehicle parts of different makes/models/ and years.:eek:


AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH go fawk a blender and then pour bleach on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shaking:

FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Is it tuesday? is the search button broken? Are all the newbs foriegn and thier translator programs are fuct?

God damn it!:mad3:

Chevy flat top knuckles, chevy caliper brackets, chevy calipers, SMALL bearing chevy spindle(not Ford spindle, dont even try!)Chevy stub shaft, Ford 5x5.5 hub and rotor. Yeah, I know its gonna blow your fucking mind to put a Ford hub on a chevy spindle but you know what....IT WORKS! Some Wagoneer parts work too but I'm not gonna say which ones because you fucking dick knuckles's heads would explode. God forbid we mix and match vehicle parts of different makes/models/ and years.:eek:


AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH go fawk a blender and then pour bleach on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shaking:


If you were out in the shop building my tierod and draglink this shit wouldn't be bothering you. :flipoff2::flipoff2:Get to work!!!:flipoff2:

Well, i may have very well over looked something there.

The 6 hole TTB spindle is about 1/4" shorter than the GM spindle due to the claiper bracket, and since the caliper bracket bolts on after the spindle I could see it causing some clearance issues.

Therefore I retract my premature statement and will go hide in the corner for a while.

Justin

It might be possible to mount the caliper bracket behind the spindle to make up for the length difference.. assuming it still puts the caliper in the right spot.

I even had some Chevy and Ford spindles handy at one time but didn't think to compare.