...that could there be someone interested to buy our cars. If they are for sale ;) And on what price?

Moggster:

Yearmodel 1998
Unimog front axles (3-piece type), pneumatic operated diff locks, 4-wheel hydraulic steering, steering brakes (unimog drums + disc between tranny and t-case)) hydraulic adjustable suspension, home made tube frame and cage and aluminum body, 44" TSLs on 14x16,5" steel wheels with home made beadlocks on both sides and tube tyres. Chevy 350 engine with modified 2 barrel carb, manually operated TH-350 tranny and NP208 and Unimog parts mixed for the t-case (4 -wheel or rear wheel drive). Wheelbase ~280cm (~110"). Price? what would you offer if I'd say that this is for sale???

Moggster
http://www.teli.stadia.fi/~jjsalone/TMK2.jpg


Alfaster:

Yearmodel 2002
Unimog front axles (different type than in Moggster), hydraulic operated diffs, 4-wheel steering(hydraulic), steering brakes (home made disc brakes) hydraulic adjustable suspension, home made tube frame and cage and also the body is hand made, 39.5" TSLs on 10x15" wheels with tube tyres and home made beadlocks (outer side). Alfa Romeo 3 litre aluminum V6 with 6-point fuel injection and 4 speed tranny that is originally from front wheel driven Alfa and now it works as tranny+t-case (possible for front or rear or 4 wheel drive). Engine and tranny is from USA model Alfa Romeo 164. Wheelbase ~270cm (~106").
And the price? Well like with Moggster what could I get from it?

Alfaster
http://www.phnet.fi/public/mika.jussilainen/kuvat/8raisio/8_Raisio_Off_Road_Trial_Jakso_1_alfaster.jpg

http://personal.inet.fi/koti/timo.virtanen/kisat/raisio_2/kuva12.jpg

So if someone is interested and offers good value of these cars, just let me know :D

Jare from Finland

this is not the for sale board but in this case i will make an exception for you aliens. :D

i really dig your guys rigs and post all the pics of them that you can. i am really intreasted in pics of the parts like suspensions and axles more than the whole car pictures.

jare.

it seems to me the alfaster is the better ( or at least better parts ) rig. is this correct? i would think it would be valued at 20 to 30 thousand dollars U.S. sound about right ?

Originally posted by camo
jare.

it seems to me the alfaster is the better ( or at least better parts ) rig. is this correct? i would think it would be valued at 20 to 30 thousand dollars U.S. sound about right ?

Better...hmmm not sure yet. We have only driven two competitions with it and about half an hour practise. So we don't have the trust for the car yet, if you know what I mean? When Moggster was built it really fit to my hands like a glove. Alfaster is way better to drive when there is some speed or very steep side hills. But some places I liked the Moggsters V8 power more and some parts of its driving. But that might be cause the experience with Moggster. We've driven with that since 1998.

And what comes to better parts that is right. Only thing that we are not sure yet is the strength of axles. We haven't got time to test the car with 44" tyres or even at very bad places with 39.5". In competitions there usually is few sections that are worse than others and in those places we drive very carefully so we don't break up and be out of the competition. And like I wrote we have only got about half an hour time to test the car in small stones. But so far it feels good, we just would need to get some time to drive and play with it :D

Oh and I know that this aint the FOR SALE section, but since I'm not really selling these cars..... at least not yeat I decided to post it here. They could be for sale if here enough offers :D

Pics of suspension etc is a bit hard cause I don't have digital camera of my own. But maybe some day I'll buy one or at leat borrow one.

Jare

those rigs are probably worth around $15 thousand, depending on all the parts used. They look cool.:skull:

Pretty cool. Low center of gravity is nice.

Jare,

Are you the driver of the Mogster from the Eurotrial championships on Switzerland in 2000? If so, Hi - I'm one of the Irish team that was there.

If it's the machine I saw - Awesum. It kicked ass all over most other Europran machines.

The Alfaster rig is badass:eek:! Any more pics of it? I love the body desgin, looks like it has great approach and departure angles. Very nice.:eek:

Originally posted by merv
Jare,

Are you the driver of the Mogster from the Eurotrial championships on Switzerland in 2000? If so, Hi - I'm one of the Irish team that was there.

If it's the machine I saw - Awesum. It kicked ass all over most other Europran machines.

Howdy Merv.
Yes I am the same fellow you met there ;)
I read message of Diarmaid Drennan at the www.eurotrial.no pages guestbook. I also found that he has homepages and surprise surprise there was nice pics from Switzerland :D

Why ain't you taking part to this years Euro Trial in Norway? There are 110 competitors on the entry list, this is record in any Eurotrial so far.

Jare

Originally posted by Nikkon
The Alfaster rig is badass:eek:! Any more pics of it? I love the body desgin, looks like it has great approach and departure angles. Very nice.:eek:

Well there are some pages that has pics of it.

What you think the approach angle is??
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ullex/100-0021_IMG.JPG

And departure ;)
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ullex/100-0035_IMG.JPG

You can find more pics at:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ullex/

but there ain't no thumbs and pics are pretty large so it might take a while to load.

More pics of Finnish competition is at (there is thumbs):
http://www.phnet.fi/public/mika.jussilainen/kuvat/8raisio/8raisio.htm

And some pics from different events at:
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/timo.virtanen/

Have nice time looking the pics :D

Jare

Oh and when you surf to Timo's page the Finnish word "kuvia" means pictures ;)

Jare

Jare,

Cool rigs! I made it to Finland for the 1000 Lakes Rallye some years back. Had a great time, but learned not to mess with those "crowd control German Shepards".... perhaps you could post a few photos to explain how "crowd control" is done! :D

Tom :usa:

Originally posted by roundrocktom
Jare,

Cool rigs! I made it to Finland for the 1000 Lakes Rallye some years back. Had a great time, but learned not to mess with those "crowd control German Shepards".... perhaps you could post a few photos to explain how "crowd control" is done! :D

Tom :usa:

:D Uuh that's a hard one 'cause I've never been at 1000 lakes rally so I don't know how they work there. And I cannot compare it to US style cause I've never been there either ;)

Jare

I like the wood body panels.

http://www.phnet.fi/public/mika.jussilainen/kuvat/8raisio/8_Raisio_Off_Road_Trial_proto.jpg

Originally posted by Jare


Well there are some pages that has pics of it.

What you think the approach angle is??
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ullex/100-0021_IMG.JPG

And departure ;)
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ullex/100-0035_IMG.JPG

You can find more pics at:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ullex/

but there ain't no thumbs and pics are pretty large so it might take a while to load.

More pics of Finnish competition is at (there is thumbs):
http://www.phnet.fi/public/mika.jussilainen/kuvat/8raisio/8raisio.htm

And some pics from different events at:
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/timo.virtanen/

Have nice time looking the pics :D

Jare

Thanks for the links, the pics are sweet! I don't have a protracor handy or anything so I can't give a very scientific guess to the approach/departure angles (someone else will I'm sure) but they're both well over 90*. If I had to guess I might say something like 110*? That's a total guess but like I said I'm sure someone else can give a more scientific number. The angle of the pics makes it kinda hard to tell, but it's all good! Once again great looking rig! :D