Beware Of Desert Fab Motorsports

[homecourt2001]

Email me at homecourt2001@yahoo.com if you want a link to the pic's.
Todd McCullen is the owner of Desert Fab Motorsports, 4961 S Pinal Rd, Apache Junction AZ and in my option a yahoo! Contracted him to build a turn key buggy for me on 9/16/06 and was to be complete by 10/31/06. Which is a bit unreal for one man operation, but he stated that was what he could do. I supplied him with the Hendrix frame, CRD diffs, & Atlas. Well I finally pickup on end of November 2007 (14 months). The buggy was like still in mock up, nothing tested, no much checked. The list of stupidity is about 2 pages long. I am still working on buggy in my spar time with fixing and also doing upgrades and having a quality shop fix the things that are beyond my knowledge, Precision Auto in Kingman.
A list of some poor work he did:
standard rubber hose (marked not for fuel) pressure side for EFI fuel system-HAZARDOUS
front wheel studs too short 1.5 turn on lug nuts-HAZARDOUS
blind bolts rear diff top link mount hand tight, also a lot of loose bolts everywhere.
remount & extend upper links and relocate lower link bars for diff travel
ram mounted wrong & binding up ends
steering shaft bearing defective
steering locked up, pump installed wrong
add frame cross bar at rear shocks to support frame twist-Todd had cut out
leak at trans/transfer-no gasket
correct size trans cooler & mounted correctly-with no plastic ties
adjust transmission shifter no park
cut down transfer shifter cover plate – just poor workmanship
brakes would not stop buggy, replace master cyl. with correct fluid size
relocate & replace brake & gas paddles forward, driver seat back-my personal setting for my height, but Todd is my height
no break lights as requested
install radiator overflow tank
relocate rear seat & seatbelts did not fit in space
move gas tank back for rear seat to fit, install vent back flow value on tank
refab hood frame to withstand rollover
refab transfer case bottom cross member at correct height
relocate fuel & break lines away from heat
leaking gas pump, relocate by tank
steel tabs & cables loops for break & fuel lines & wires (remove wire ties)
replace custom headers (very poor workmanship-holes and welds)
install muffler hangers as none provided
solder all wire connectors & splices everywhere with no solder
clean up sharp edges on all aluminum panels
replace all cheap zeus fastener-will not hold offroad
replace .035 drivers & passenger floor panels with .125” aluminum add real tabs to support adult
replace all .125 skid plates with .250” aluminum
air cleaner not tight
fit & trim yellow side panels to fit & add three tabs each side
mount rear winch switch to L-bracket, not Velcro as provided
relocate & replace rear winch mount at better angle

So the front wheels would have fallen off, but I would have most likely burn up first, as I rolled down the mountain side.

[howyadoin]

Wrong forum for starters. Some of those issues do sound pretty valid, have you tried to work with him directly, I would assume so. I know they spend some time on the AZVJC board, so you might want to talk to them there. Holy shiate, 1.5 months for a turn key buggy, there was obviously a substantial misunderstanding there! Anyway, best of luck.

[ohmscj]

If I read that right...I was thinking the same thing. 1 1/2 months seems like a
fawking short time to get everything perfect. Do you have pics?

[Arizona_Jeep]

Same here, 1.5 months? Shit. It took me two years on a simple CJ7 build. Get some pics up! And sorry to hear that you got screwed over.

[Hackle]

I think you missed some of the dates. He contracted the job in 2006 and did not pick it up until November 2007. That is 14 months by my count.

[ohmscj]

Yep...just caught that.

pics?

[howyadoin]

I think you missed some of the dates. He contracted the job in 2006 and did not pick it up until November 2007. That is 14 months by my count.


He said was to be completed in 1.5 months originally! 1.5 years is obviously more realistic.:grinpimp:

[The MULE]

Heres a sample of some "kick-ass" Desert Fab work! :laughing:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff270/pac8541/Picture006-1.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff270/pac8541/Picture003-1.jpg

[Arizona_Jeep]

Damn, nice seat brackets.:flipoff2:

[The MULE]

Damn, nice seat brackets.:flipoff2:
That shit looks like it was welded with a coat hanger and a battery. At least they painted it up to cover the welds. :laughing::flipoff2:

[silversuper]

wow that is bullshit, sorry to hear.

you didnt pay him did you?

[homecourt2001]

oh yes I did, about $27429.12. Did not see the BS until I got it back to kingman.

[homecourt2001]

No, never contacted him as of yet. So much BS wrong with his workmanship. I figured it would go nowhere, but jsut piss me off more. He either does not care about his workmanship or is just that stupid.

[homecourt2001]

Wrong forum for starters, where should I have done it?

[howyadoin]

There's a bad seller/disputes forum here on the board, but I can actually see why you posted here since it is a local issue. Sucks, and doesn't seem to be an isolated incident, so best of luck and thanks for the heads-up.

[T-Bag]

That sucks about your buggy and would like to see some pics of the work in question.

As for the pics of the seat mount fab work, it is acceptable for a beginner with a Harbor Freight welder to do in his garage on a Saturday but for a shop to turn out that kind of poor workmanship is appalling.

[homecourt2001]

Well get some and post next week.

[FatBob309]

Wow....

[Gen. Nonsense]

Wow....
Indeed.

[lancetkenyon]

And to think, I was about to contact them to backhalf my Jeep into a Juggy too, and do my stretch, and build a set of D60s, and............................ :shaking:

[jeepcrazie]

:laughing:

Looks almost exactly like every other desert fab rig I have ever seen. That is the type of work they do. Lesson: Do your homework before you lay down the cash to a builder people. Had you looked at any of the other rigs they built, you would have seen that stuff.

Sorry bout your situation, it's a bummer.

[JackHammer]

And to think, I was about to contact them to backhalf my Jeep into a Juggy too, and do my stretch, and build a set of D60s, and............................ :shaking:

A little more tub damage and you might as well call it a juggy. :flipoff2:
Stick with Joesus. :D
I was gonna have DF do my steering. :eek:

[Pac8541]

For the record, those are my seat brackets and my pics above. Todd contacted me the next day to say that he saw the pics and realized he hadn't finished the welds. He asked me to stop back in so he could weld them completely.

There are some things Todd is dealing with within the shop that have had him a little distracted over the last week and I do not consider those welds as being indicative of a poor quality of his work. It was an oversight and its not something I will use against him or his shop in future needs. My experience with DF has been entirely different than the subject of this thread and I'm sorry to hear yours was so bad. I trust him and Dave up there and will continue to use them as my local shop.

And yes, I broke the link to those pics. If you want to post pics of DF's "trash" work, use your own.

[Gen. Nonsense]

Todd contacted me the next day to say that he saw the pics and realized he hadn't finished the welds. He asked me to stop back in so he could weld them completely.




http://www.gnu.org/gear/gplv3_back_jg_300_400.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/94/205702185_d23c557473.jpg

[lancetkenyon]

For the record, those are my seat brackets and my pics above. Todd contacted me the next day to say that he saw the pics and realized he hadn't finished the welds. He asked me to stop back in so he could weld them completely.

There are some things Todd is dealing with within the shop that have had him a little distracted over the last week and I do not consider those welds as being indicative of a poor quality of his work. It was an oversight and its not something I will use against him or his shop in future needs. My experience with DF has been entirely different than the subject of this thread and I'm sorry to hear yours was so bad. I trust him and Dave up there and will continue to use them as my local shop.

And yes, I broke the link to those pics. If you want to post pics of DF's "trash" work, use your own.

Honestly, it should not have taken them seeing the pics to realize they screwed up, they should have caught it in the first place. I have never met Dave or Todd personally, but they have always gotten back to me in a timely manner when I asked for a quote, just never contracted them to do any actual work. This is not the first time I have heard, and seen incidents like this, sorry.

[Gen. Nonsense]

And yes, I broke the link to those pics. If you want to post pics of DF's "trash" work, use your own.
I'll keep using your pictures. Thanks:D
http://members.cox.net/jdmccollum/Picture003-1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/jdmccollum/Picture006-1.jpg

[Pac8541]

Ok, well whatever. I can't control pictures of mine that someone saved. I just find it ridiculous that a thread that started with a guy complaining about the quality of the rig he had DF build is being supported by photo evidence of a totally unrelated seat bracket job. I'm not complaining, nor am I attempting to come to DF's rescue; if the guy has a legitimate issue with their work and its sub-standard, then I would hope he's addressing this with them now. The whole point of my post on this was to say that people's experiences can be different and completely opposite of each other. If they screwed it up, they should make it right. They did for me and that's what I was trying to say.

The seats are sweet though, PRP Premier Highbacks. :flipoff2:

[Pac8541]

And just out of curiosity, why is this buggy being reported on now when it was picked up in this screwed up condition in November of last year? I would think if you were this pissed off when you finally got it you'd have thrown DF into the ring like this back then.

Nevermind, I just looked at your join date. Its probably been all over other boards since then...

[Unklhuck]

Yowsa Yowsa

I don't care what you say, those pics would scare my ass..... I'm glad my seat cradle wasn't done like that. Them brackets are scary, regardless of the welds.

[Gen. Nonsense]

If they screwed it up, they should make it right. They did for me and that's what I was trying to say.
The only reason it got fixed is because the pics got posted on the VJC and here, otherwise it never would have been fixed. I personally wouldnt have paid a dime to them for that shoddy work. Crap welds and not even painted. :shaking:

[T-Bag]

There are some things Todd is dealing with within the shop that have had him a little distractedAre you trying to justify, that in a professional situation, it is acceptable to allow personal issues to interfere with the quality of your work or a customers safety?

[Beat95YJ]

I'll keep using your pictures. Thanks:D
http://members.cox.net/jdmccollum/Picture003-1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/jdmccollum/Picture006-1.jpg

Welds or not that is a piss poor design that will likely lead to the floor cracking relatively quickly.

Is this the same Desert Fab in Az that sells Marvin Shaw coilovers and Airshocks?

[jeepcrazie]

Welds or not that is a piss poor design that will likely lead to the floor cracking relatively quickly.

Is this the same Desert Fab in Az that sells Marvin Shaw coilovers and Airshocks?

Yuuuup...

[Pac8541]

Are you trying to justify, that in a professional situation, it is acceptable to allow personal issues to interfere with the quality of your work or a customers safety?

Not at all. But I understand that on occasion things happen within a person's life that may affect their profession. A mistake was made and they made it right. Its not acceptable but sometimes shit happens. I'm just glad it got fixed. Look, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here or tell anyone they didn't get what they got. I don't know exactly what the original poster got other than what he's described in text. I posted pics of the work they did for me which seems to be working against them at this point. I am satisfied with them and the fact that they rectified the problem, thats it. Not saying you have to be. Obviously there are those who have already formed their opinions due to one thing or another and of course, everyone is free to choose who they want to work with.

And unless I'm mistaken, those seat brackets are PRP units. I can't say for sure since I didn't purchase these straight from PRP but they sure looked the same from the pics on their website. DF modified the inside front foot of each bracket to match the tranny hump in the middle of the floor so it would bolt up.

[Beat95YJ]

Your seat brackets should mount to the factory reinforced mounting holes or should be tied in to something significant, and should have larger feet to prevent the metal from shearing. The point loading of those feet on the pan is insane. The localized stress from the small tab will be pretty large.

If those were PRP brackets, they were/are not for a TJ. I would find someone to redo them before you get hurt in a roll or accident.

Safety is not something to mess around with.

[Pac8541]

Your seat brackets should mount to the factory reinforced mounting holes or should be tied in to something significant, and should have larger feet to prevent the metal from shearing. The point loading of those feet on the pan is insane. The localized stress from the small tab will be pretty large.

If those were PRP brackets, they were/are not for a TJ. I would find someone to redo them before you get hurt in a roll or accident.

Safety is not something to mess around with.

Point taken. I will look into that and get it reinforced asap, thanks.

[howyadoin]

Your seat brackets should mount to the factory reinforced mounting holes or should be tied in to something significant, and should have larger feet to prevent the metal from shearing. The point loading of those feet on the pan is insane. The localized stress from the small tab will be pretty large.

If those were PRP brackets, they were/are not for a TJ. I would find someone to redo them before you get hurt in a roll or accident.

Safety is not something to mess around with.

x2 on this! I was thinking the exact same thing, that design looks like it would likely pull through in the event of a roll-over or collision. BTW, there is no way PRP sold something with bends like that!?!?!?:shaking: Looks like it was bent in a vise with a BFH?

[walatoy]

:mad3: Todd McCullen is the owner and in my option a yahoo!:homer: Contracted him to build a turn key buggy for me on 9/16/06 and was to be complete by 10/31/06. Well I finally pickup on end of November 2007. The list of total stupidity is about 2 pages long. I am still working on buggy in my spar time and having a quality shop fix it, Precision Auto in Kingman. A short list of some poor work he did: standard rubber hose (marked not for fuel) pressure side for EFI fuel system, blind bolts rear diff top link mount hand tight, ram mounted wrong & binding up ends, steering binding up & with no ram stops, no solder & splices everywhere (like 3 in a 2’ length), replace headers poor welds, remount upper & lower links for diff travel, install gasket /sealant between trans & transfer, brakes would not stop buggy, bolts loose everywhere, ect, ect! Front wheel studs too short 1.5 turn on lug nuts. So the front wheels would have fallen off, but I would have most likely burn up first, as I rolled down the mountain side. Feel free to contact me for detail. :shaking:

I seen this buggy. They used a fence post for an exhaust bracket. Most of the welds looked like Junior high kids did the work. If I was told right he had the frame and 80% of the parts in his hands at start of build.

[BackNBlackTJ]

:mad3: Todd McCullen is the owner and in my option a yahoo!:homer: Contracted him to build a turn key buggy for me on 9/16/06 and was to be complete by 10/31/06. Well I finally pickup on end of November 2007. The list of total stupidity is about 2 pages long. I am still working on buggy in my spar time and having a quality shop fix it, Precision Auto in Kingman. A short list of some poor work he did: standard rubber hose (marked not for fuel) pressure side for EFI fuel system, blind bolts rear diff top link mount hand tight, ram mounted wrong & binding up ends, steering binding up & with no ram stops, no solder & splices everywhere (like 3 in a 2’ length), replace headers poor welds, remount upper & lower links for diff travel, install gasket /sealant between trans & transfer, brakes would not stop buggy, bolts loose everywhere, ect, ect! Front wheel studs too short 1.5 turn on lug nuts. So the front wheels would have fallen off, but I would have most likely burn up first, as I rolled down the mountain side. Feel free to contact me for detail. :shaking:


I'm confused... you have a buggy built, it took longer than you expected and it is not up to par with what you expected... then you join an a "hardcore" online forum (join date 02/2008) with the sole purpose of bashing someone... have you talked to Todd and tried to work this out with him... I'm not trying to defend the work as I have not seen it and am only going by your word, but I have wheeled with Todd and he seems like a stand up guy.

This whole thread appears on the face to be un-neccessary if you had just worked it out with him, instead you are publicly bashing someone... on-line instead of in person... I guess everyone is a little bolder behind a keyboard.

[walatoy]

Being bold is one thing. When your around the corner. But when you live seven hours away. Its really hard to work out the problems. Plus he had his chance to do it right. So if you live out of town its all right to sell http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/woods0207/shit.jpg

[Gen. Nonsense]

lol @ the poo picture

[61scout80]

No, never contacted him as of yet. So much BS wrong with his workmanship. I figured it would go nowhere, but jsut piss me off more. He either does not care about his workmanship or is just that stupid.

so..... is this just therapy or are you trying to get something resolved? are you hoping someone from that shop just happens to wander in here?

[sprinksbeme]

I'm confused... you have a buggy built, it took longer than you expected and it is not up to par with what you expected... then you join an a "hardcore" online forum (join date 02/2008) with the sole purpose of bashing someone... have you talked to Todd and tried to work this out with him... I'm not trying to defend the work as I have not seen it and am only going by your word, but I have wheeled with Todd and he seems like a stand up guy.

This whole thread appears on the face to be un-neccessary if you had just worked it out with him, instead you are publicly bashing someone... on-line instead of in person... I guess everyone is a little bolder behind a keyboard.

I don’t post here very often, (Mostly a Lurker) but I have also seen this buggy. I was there the first day it arrived at Precision Auto in Kingman. It looks awesome until you get within 20 feet of it. The first thing you saw was the very crooked cuts on the floor panels, and then the no vent lines were run. The some barb connectors but no hose or tube connected.
The geometry of the four links was pure guess work, when you flexed it the pinion angle would point straight at the ground.
After checking this out I believe this buggy was put together as a mock up by someone never took it apart to put gaskets and the like.
I don’t believe homecourt2001 was trying to start a bashing thread, but instead just trying to warn us that you better watch and visit their shop if you have work done there. If there are any pics of this abortion or if anyone here would have seen it on a trail this thread would have been worse than the Paparazzi nails it again thread.
I’m sure Todd is a stand up guy, Wheeling, but that does not make a fabricator or even a parts installer. If I had picked mine up I would have had no faith that it could ever be fixed by him or his employees. I also would have just taken my junk some where else when it was not done correctly. At the very least he should have checked this work out before releasing it to the customer. This buggy would have likely hurt someone.

[Arizona_Jeep]

I don’t post here very often, (Mostly a Lurker) but I have also seen this buggy. I was there the first day it arrived at Precision Auto in Kingman. It looks awesome until you get within 20 feet of it. The first thing you saw was the very crooked cuts on the floor panels, and then the no vent lines were run. The some barb connectors but no hose or tube connected.
The geometry of the four links was pure guess work, when you flexed it the pinion angle would point straight at the ground.
After checking this out I believe this buggy was put together as a mock up by someone never took it apart to put gaskets and the like.
I don’t believe homecourt2001 was trying to start a bashing thread, but instead just trying to warn us that you better watch and visit their shop if you have work done there. If there are any pics of this abortion or if anyone here would have seen it on a trail this thread would have been worse than the Paparazzi nails it again thread.
I’m sure Todd is a stand up guy, Wheeling, but that does not make a fabricator or even a parts installer. If I had picked mine up I would have had no faith that it could ever be fixed by him or his employees. I also would have just taken my junk some where else when it was not done correctly. At the very least he should have checked this work out before releasing it to the customer. This buggy would have likely hurt someone.

Well said. I agree with this.:D By the sounds of the buggy, it sounds like a death trap. We need pictures od this damn buggy ASAP. We are simply going off what is said, and I am not saying what is said is wrong, but pictures will tell how bad this guy really is.

Get the pictures.

[lancetkenyon]

If you visit the VJC, there is a link to this thread(thread is called "Oops", started by a guy named Spiderman in the "Gen Disc" area), and a link to the original build thread started by Todd/Dave. You can see the mock up start, and the timeline a little. And the seats are just gay in this thing...........:laughing: sorry.:rainbow:

[RokNRich]

Well, it's been a week, where are the pic's ?

[BackNBlackTJ]

Awfull quiet from Homecourt2001... Walatoy is the only one chiming in with Pile'O shit pics...














Let's see the buggy, or did you only sign up here to stir the pot and leave...



















































Still waiting...



















































Hmmm...

[Gen. Nonsense]

If you visit the VJC, there is a link to this thread(thread is called "Oops", started by a guy named Spiderman in the "Gen Disc" area), and a link to the original build thread started by Todd/Dave. You can see the mock up start, and the timeline a little. And the seats are just gay in this thing...........:laughing: sorry.:rainbow:Spiderman is my hero. How long until he gets banned over there? Oh and Jason DoucheMonto, if you read this, PMFG and Shocker 75 have nothing to do with this thread or the one started on VJC.

[metlmnstr1]

Spiderman is my hero. How long until he gets banned over there? Oh and Jason DoucheMonto, if you read this, PMFG and Shocker 75 have nothing to do with this thread or the one started on VJC.

I prefer demento....

I knew I would get a rise out of you

X2..where are the pics??

I am nuetral eithier way till I see some proof

X

[homecourt2001]

Sorry for the delay, Precision Auto has them and hope to get him to post some today. Yes I have wheel with Todd and he is a great guy as far as rock crawling. He was recommend to me by a friend who he built a buggy for and did very fast, time wise. He only did the basics frame, engine, links…. and the rest was done by the customer. Yes I just registered on this site and did it to warn people about this company’s workmanship. What point would it be to have this fool fix his mistakes, as he had 15 months to do it correct. After seeing his BS I would not even consider him again as a competent fabricator or business. I have my own business since 1985, have been a manufacture and reseller of products. Would not be in business today if I did work like DF.

[el ranger loco]

Is Todd McCullen related to Sandy McCullen or whatever her name is? The chick that deals with all the land use issues on behalf of az wheelers? If so this whole thread makes more sense to me...

[camo]

Homecourt,

I see that you have just recently signed up here on pirate4x4 and have only posted in this thread. it would seem the only reason you are here is to bash a vendor. Since I don't know you and you have no other history here for us to evaluate your charter by I am going to have to ask for you to not post again until you can make your case with detailed pictures to back up your claims.

as is often the case in having a custom rig built. the customer will have an idea of what they want and the shop builds what they think is best. Often it is a lack of or poor communication on both parties that results in the customer leaving butt hurt because his vision did not come to fruition.

so... post up detailed pics or STFU

camo
( since your new... that is mr camo pirate4x4 owner to you )

[lancetkenyon]

Homecourt,

I see that you have just recently signed up here on pirate4x4 and have only posted in this thread. it would seem the only reason you are here is to bash a vendor. Since I don't know you and you have no other history here for us to evaluate your charter by I am going to have to ask for you to not post again until you can make your case with detailed pictures to back up your claims.

as is often the case in having a custom rig built. the customer will have an idea of what they want and the shop builds what they think is best. Often it is a lack of or poor communication on both parties that results in the customer leaving butt hurt because his vision did not come to fruition.

so... post up detailed pics or STFU

camo
( since your new... that is mr camo pirate4x4 owner to you )

Nice call camo, we are all still waiting for pics.

[lancetkenyon]

Spiderman is my hero. How long until he gets banned over there? Oh and Jason DoucheMonto, if you read this, PMFG and Shocker 75 have nothing to do with this thread or the one started on VJC.

In the real world, he is actually kind of a tool. Kind of like Ademster, thinks he knows a lot, but is misinformed about everything, and loves to spread his ignorance around for all to see.

[Antman]

In the real world, he is actually kind of a tool. Kind of like Ademster, thinks he knows a lot, but is misinformed about everything, and loves to spread his ignorance around for all to see.

Lance, read your signature! Stop thumping!:D We all know who Spiderman is.

I know Todd, but haven't done business with him,

so

I too waiting for pictures................


ANTMAN

[Gen. Nonsense]

Lance, read your signature! Stop thumping!:D We all know who Spiderman is.

Not everyone....:laughing::laughing:

[lancetkenyon]

Lance, read your signature! Stop thumping!:D We all know who Spiderman is.

I know Todd, but haven't done business with him,

so

I too waiting for pictures................


ANTMAN

I see him every so often. Like I said, he can be a tool.

[BackNBlackTJ]

Still waiting.... :mad3:

So what's the deal... come here slam a vendor and bail... I've seen some of Todds work so without some pics to back up the vile you've spuewed... I'm gonna throw a flag on the play

(whistle blows) flag goes in the air... zebra calls BULLSHIT on the play

:shaking:

[The MULE]

Still waiting.... :mad3:

So what's the deal... come here slam a vendor and bail... I've seen some of Todds work so without some pics to back up the vile you've spuewed... I'm gonna throw a flag on the play

(whistle blows) flag goes in the air... zebra calls BULLSHIT on the play

:shaking:
Theres some pics that I posted before in this thread of Desert Fabs handy work. I wouldnt let them lean against my truck, let alone work on it.:shaking:

[BackNBlackTJ]

I found these elsewhere... granted they are not close enough to show any detail but... it is more than homecourt has posted.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p289/DesertFab/keithbuggy071.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p289/DesertFab/DSCF0204.jpg

[sprinksbeme]

I found these elsewhere... granted they are not close enough to show any detail but... it is more than homecourt has posted.


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p289/DesertFab/DSCF0204.jpg

Homecourt had me up load some photos for him so I think you will get some of what you've been asking for.
As for the photo above what kind of ass would build something at a sharp angle (Twin Stick shifter enclosure) right where your leg is going to be.
Even the best pictures you can find will show you how incapable they were to do this project. Thanks for helping

Oh by the way check out how many bolts they used for the plexiglass in the floors, yet the side panels and hood had very few fasteners at all.

There are many here and from the VJC that email with the problems that they have had and asked that there names not be used because of the fear of being banned or censored. That is the admins/owners right. But the fact is that many more will likely have the same experience before they can do a turn key project.

I am happy that many also have good to say here, and looks like they can and do some nice work, but screwed the pooch on this one.

You will have to wait for Homcourt to post pictures although I do have them.

[sprinksbeme]

Is Todd McCullen related to Sandy McCullen or whatever her name is? The chick that deals with all the land use issues on behalf of az wheelers? If so this whole thread makes more sense to me...

Yes Sandee is Todd's mother, but I don't know why that makes this make any more sense to you.

Sandee is a fighter for all of us. She takes the most direct route and does not care who she is talking too. Likely we all would not be wheeling in the state of maricopa if not for her.
Sandee is good people and is very passionate about our sport.

I really did not want to post on this because I know Sandee and Jack, but Homecourt is someone I wheel with and was getting shafted here because of just joining.

[camo]

There are many here and from the VJC that email with the problems that they have had and asked that there names not be used because of the fear of being banned or censored. That is the admins/owners right. But the fact is that many more will likely have the same experience before they can do a turn key project.



I think you are even more full of shit then homecourt. nobody gets banned or censored on pirate4x4 for posting up issues, regardless of what company they are discussing.

so since you claim to have uploaded homecourts pictures , how about posting some pics that show more then "to many bolts holding on a peice of plexi " :shaking:

[1BlackJeep]

I think you are even more full of shit then homecourt. nobody gets banned or censored on pirate4x4 for posting up issues, regardless of what company they are discussing.

so since you claim to have uploaded homecourts pictures , how about posting some pics that show more then "to many bolts holding on a peice of plexi " :shaking:

Nah, Camo I think he's talking about our board on the VJC. There's been some issues going on lately. I took your lead and closed the DFab thread over there until pictures could be provided. The board owner went a step further and deleted it. There is however a new thread up on VJC right now with a link to a photobucket slideshow.

[camo]

well nobody on pirate gets censored or banned for discussing issues. called out and heckled ...maybe :flipoff2:

anyhow if these guys have legit issues .. lets see some proof.

[el ranger loco]

Yes Sandee is Todd's mother, but I don't know why that makes this make any more sense to you.

Sandee is a fighter for all of us. She takes the most direct route and does not care who she is talking too. Likely we all would not be wheeling in the state of maricopa if not for her.
Sandee is good people and is very passionate about our sport.

I really did not want to post on this because I know Sandee and Jack, but Homecourt is someone I wheel with and was getting shafted here because of just joining.

Nothing against Sandy. She has done a lot for us and is constantly fighting for our trails to stay open. Ive worked with her personally on many accounts. I guess it doesnt have much to do with the thread, but absolute offroad and desert fab make a lot more sense knowing todd is related to sandy. Theres a lotta VJC dick suckers/ass kissers out there ya know.


So wheres these damn pics? Ive seen a lot of desert fabs work and have actually walked through the shop to check some shit out. Dave showed me some things they were working on and even offered me a job. They look legit.

[az-k5]

Those pics of the buggy with the clown inspired seats is a hendrix chassis. Don't even claim otherwise, the damn hendrix X is sitting right in the A pillar. So your buddy dropped of a hendrix chassis with todd or you are pulling pictures out of your ass.

[camo]

he says in his first post he dropped off a Hendrix chassis to be finished into a turnkey

[sprinksbeme]

Judge for yourselves. since they are on VJC anyway
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x165/sprinksbeme/Keiths%20Buggy%201/?albumview=slideshow

[az-k5]

he says in his first post he dropped off a Hendrix chassis to be finished into a turnkey

Ah, missed- I'm out! . Thanks camo.

[walatoy]

pics have been up for a while cat got your tongue.:flipoff2:

[sandawgk5]

The only pics I see are of the steering. Where are all the shitty fab pics? Post all of the pics that prove your case or get the fuck out ya douche:mad3:

Dik

[walatoy]

really hard to trust your judgement of fab work when you have a lincoln lock.:flipoff2: every time I have been out with a k5 its been a long day

[LostZuk]

Look harder, there are more pics there to be found. The camera man needs a little less Coffee though Holy Shit Shake much?

[sandawgk5]

really hard to trust your judgement of fab work when you have a lincoln lock.:flipoff2: every time I have been out with a k5 its been a long day

:flipoff2::flipoff2: Back at ya X2:D

[sandawgk5]

Look harder, there are more pics there to be found. The camera man needs a little less Coffee though Holy Shit Shake much?


I must not be looking hard enough. I saw some steering pics and 2 pics of header welds. The rest were "reworked" pics where is all of the shitty fab pics that were so dangerous to anyone around this machine:shaking:. If you are gonna come on here and badmouth someone, regardless of wether or not they are a vendor here, you better have your shit in order.

We would not another Charlie Wenzel would we:evil:

Dik

[sprinksbeme]

I must not be looking hard enough. I saw some steering pics and 2 pics of header welds. The rest were "reworked" pics where is all of the shitty fab pics that were so dangerous to anyone around this machine:shaking:. If you are gonna come on here and badmouth someone, regardless of wether or not they are a vendor here, you better have your shit in order.

We would not another Charlie Wenzel would we:evil:

Dik
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x165/sprinksbeme/Keiths%20Buggy%201/?albumview=slideshow
Look again not the same pics that you looked at on the VJC site. They deleted that tread also. If you dont think the steering is not dangerous then by all means go there spend your money. Then we can come back to this this thread and say you were warned.
By the way there are many things that pictures can't show, like the ram did not have internal or external stops to keep it from pushing the knukles right off, bending brakeing arms.
I know that if I spent that kind of money I would like to wheel it just once before tearing it back down to its bones
But that is just me.

[sandawgk5]

http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x165/sprinksbeme/Keiths%20Buggy%201/?albumview=slideshow
Look again not the same pics that you looked at on the VJC site. They deleted that tread also. If you dont think the steering is not dangerous then by all means go there spend your money. Then we can come back to this this thread and say you were warned.
By the way there are many things that pictures can't show, like the ram did not have internal or external stops to keep it from pushing the knukles right off, bending brakeing arms.
I know that if I spent that kind of money I would like to wheel it just once before tearing it back down to its bones
But that is just me.


Never said the steering was safe, nor does it looked finished, so who can say that is how it was gonna be if you guy did not go and pic it up before it was done. What I am saying is your guy came on here ranting about how fucked up his chassis was now and nothing was done properly. All he posted was pics of what was fixed and never any pics of how it was before.:shaking:

Anyway I am done.

Dik

[ashmanjeepXJ]

The ball joint d60 with d44 High stear arms is common but I wouldent run it.

Id do a Over the knuckel style Tierod not high steer with a single ended Ram. The single ended would tuck up nice on the passenger side. But I sheired a TRE last trip out, so you cant say TREs are safe.

If the customer says I need you to install a double ended ram that doesnt fit a d60 axle thats what the customer gets. A 609 axle or a single ended ram would fit better.

I see no justificaiton here to question Desert Fab from the pictures show. I agree its not a great steering setup.

Desert Fab is a supporting Vendor on our board WheelingArizona.com I will keep reading this thread and other reviews, but at this time I am not concerned.

[sprinksbeme]

Never said the steering was safe, nor does it looked finished, so who can say that is how it was gonna be if you guy did not go and pic it up before it was done. What I am saying is your guy came on here ranting about how fucked up his chassis was now and nothing was done properly. All he posted was pics of what was fixed and never any pics of how it was before.:shaking:

Anyway I am done.

Dik
When he picked it up it was finished. He paid his money and took it home started noticing defects other than the cosmetic and took it to a shop to have it looked at.
Why would you think DF was not done? any way you have pictures and it shows the fucked up work.

He never posted the reworked photos here. But they show that it can be done by a true fabricator.

[sprinksbeme]

Here are the pictures from his VJC post:http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x165/sprinksbeme/Keiths%20Buggy%201/Keiths%20Buggy%202/?albumview=slideshow

It is the same ram moved up and centered so the correct geometry can be achieved. Type of axle makes little differance. It is a custom build so you can't just do what you always do. If the builder thinks it won't work he should not do it so if a 609 axle is what it needs then say so, but the pics show it works just think out of the box.

Like I've said before DF has done some nice work, and they support many wheeling ventures and sites. They just messed up this time and some one called them on it. I hope they do well and are carefull, but you better check up with their progress on your build. Homecourt trusted based on a freind they where a quality shop, it just did not turn out that way this time. And if it was not done then they should not have let it go....period

[ChicagoDII]

Just saw this thread. I feel that I must add this in. I got fucked over by Todd too. He is a liar, a theif, and an asshole. Do not do business with this guy, he will fuck you over, period.

[djtodd_1]

trust me your not the only one to get dicked by desert fab.. in fact i have a very good write up coming about my project... and others that are dealing with them. and for the record, i was there at the shop when this was first posted, and they had about 3 emails and 3 phone calls telling them that this was posted up. so they have read it from the very beginning. i havent posted up sooner, publicly because i was and still have business to finish with them. but from my view, i seen your buggy every week from last summer till you picked it up and it barely got touched. just like mine did. and all the other projects that have been sitting there for the last 6 months. and i have dealt with todd on issues with my build, but have learned that he really does not give a shit. just like he doesnt like to be confronted about this stuff. todd loves to talk, and tell stories, if you have ever been to the shop im sure you have heard the same ones more than once. i have spent alot of money there, and since then have redone almost everything and am still working to fix problems. i kept a log of my build, and because of certain issues that came up, i bought a digital voice recorder for further record, and i took pics regularly. i dont like to be taken advantage of.. when i realised that my lack of knowledge for the project was being used as an advantage for todd i removed the project before he made more matters worse. so sorry i havent spoken up earlier, but i have to look out for myself and well todd has ran out of time with me. you will see my write up on my build and rebuild soon.

[lancetkenyon]

trust me your not the only one to get dicked by desert fab.. in fact i have a very good write up coming about my project... and others that are dealing with them. and for the record, i was there at the shop when this was first posted, and they had about 3 emails and 3 phone calls telling them that this was posted up. so they have read it from the very beginning. i havent posted up sooner, publicly because i was and still have business to finish with them. but from my view, i seen your buggy every week from last summer till you picked it up and it barely got touched. just like mine did. and all the other projects that have been sitting there for the last 6 months. and i have dealt with todd on issues with my build, but have learned that he really does not give a shit. just like he doesnt like to be confronted about this stuff. todd loves to talk, and tell stories, if you have ever been to the shop im sure you have heard the same ones more than once. i have spent alot of money there, and since then have redone almost everything and am still working to fix problems. i kept a log of my build, and because of certain issues that came up, i bought a digital voice recorder for further record, and i took pics regularly. i dont like to be taken advantage of.. when i realised that my lack of knowledge for the project was being used as an advantage for todd i removed the project before he made more matters worse. so sorry i havent spoken up earlier, but i have to look out for myself and well todd has ran out of time with me. you will see my write up on my build and rebuild soon.

So where is the write up?

[fuggy]

:shaking: Serious? Are customers paying for this?

[lancetkenyon]

:shaking: Serious? Are customers paying for this?

I think that is Todd's comp buggy........

[fuggy]

I think that is Todd's comp buggy........

Well I'm glad this isn't a customer's rig....and maybe this wasn't the final product. :shaking: Never mind the welds, I wonder why the tubing was connected at the spots shown in the photos. Seems like there was no thought to strength and future impacts at the joints. I'm not pro fabricator, so maybe someone can enlighten me.

[djtodd_1]

that was todds old comp buggy which is the one i own now. and it is still like that.

[fuggy]

that was todds old comp buggy which is the one i own now. and it is still like that.


Well, chalk this up to lessons learned I guess. Get this buggy dialed in and let's meet up on a Undertaker's run.....or something. I've been meaning to hook up with Darren again also. I know you guys have been putting a lot of time into the rig.

[djtodd_1]

wtf do you mean the guy that did the work on the buggies is no longer there? that was todd the owner that worked on them. todd was the only one that touched those projects.. ive seen in the past how he blames shit on the (past ) workers.. but dont try to pull this shit i was there. and how about the simple fact that my buggy wasnt even close to being ready to be powder coated when todd sent it? he wasnt even finished with it, hell he never even checked it for cracks in the welds nor finished the mods before he sent it out. not to mention didnt even send all the parts to get powder coated even when i had the talk with him to get the rest of the parts over there. oh thats right todd told me he would get them over there but then decided to not powder coat them per his own choice cause he didnt think anyone would see that part.. trust me. im not worried one bit of you trying to convice people on here that desert fab isnt at fault, i have my proof and everyone else here will see it as well. not to mention it just took me and my friends 2 mos to damn near re-do all of the fab work todd did. because he doesnt seem to think that cycleing the buggy before he calls it good is nesessary. please dont try to blame others for todds work.

[djtodd_1]

who the hell are you? are you the guy that cleans the shop up on the weekends? i know who the employees are and im sure as hell posative todd wouldnt want your shit talking to piss me off. and thanks for telling me that you had alot to do with it.. being a non employee, you sure as hell better have tax records showing your a paid employee when i decide to take this matter to the next level. you just gave everyone more reason not to go there.. your not an EMPLOYEE of desert fab but you worked on my buggy... thats fucking great. THANK YOU

[lancetkenyon]

So Thump, what is it that you do down at DF?

[homecourt2001]

Can not beleive this thread is still going. I guess DF has screw up many of times. At least it may help the next person think twice before going to DF for repairs or builds. Yes, I did email the fool and never received a response.

[clint999]

Wrong forum for starters, where should I have done it?

[ChicagoDII]

Just giving this a bump, to make sure everyone knows what a cum guzzlin' scumbag Todd of DesertFab Motorsports is.

[Arizona_Jeep]

Just giving this a bump, to make sure everyone knows what a cum guzzlin' scumbag Todd of DesertFab Motorsports is.

Okay man, give it a rest. We all understand how Dfab screwed you and a whole load of other people over, and I, along with everyone else who cares about their $$$ and Rigs, will never step foot in that shop to get work done. But this has been going on for way to long now, give it a rest Chigago, seriously.

[ChicagoDII]

Okay man, give it a rest. We all understand how Dfab screwed you and a whole load of other people over, and I, along with everyone else who cares about their $$$ and Rigs, will never step foot in that shop to get work done. But this has been going on for way to long now, give it a rest Chigago, seriously.

I'm just getting my money's worth out of Todd.

[Stoodty]

i hate to bring this back for front but where the hell was this thread about 2 years ago????? i personnally know the work of DF, and like many on this post got effed over and shoddy work, but i have said me piece on another site. just wish i would researched this fab shop earlier. Wasted money and lessons learned.

[ErichB]

Just saw this thread. I feel that I must add this in. I got fucked over by Todd too. He is a liar, a theif, and an asshole. Do not do business with this guy, he will fuck you over, period.

Tell us how you really feel..lol
This is sad to hear, DF is close to my house. Would of loved to go there for my new cage, but those welds look like when I was teaching my son to weld on the go karts cage..
With a HF wire feed and shielded wire..lol

[valleycat]

i can't believe you brought this back. this thread and the other one should die. same old shit over and over. if you're close to df, go there and check out the quality of work in the shop. talk to todd and tell him what you need done. if it's up to your standards, have them do the work. i can't imagine they would still be in business if all there jobs looked like the stuff in the pictures i've seen in the 2 df bash threads.

[Arizona_Jeep]

i can't believe you brought this back. this thread and the other one should die. same old shit over and over. if you're close to df, go there and check out the quality of work in the shop. talk to todd and tell him what you need done. if it's up to your standards, have them do the work. i can't imagine they would still be in business if all there jobs looked like the stuff in the pictures i've seen in the 2 df bash threads.

I don't know, definitely more bad shit comes out than good shit. I wouldn't go there wuith my junk, I can weld better than that crap I saw, and I don't weld much at all...almost if any.