I bent up a spring pretty bad in the box Sat afternoon. Found out someone had a spare spring, and my understanding(could be wrong here) was that he FOUND it laying out on the slab. Asked him if I could use it, and he gets an attitude with me saying something to the effect of give me beer or money. I was so pissed I had to just walk away. This was from someone that I have helped NUMEROUS times on email as he was building his jeep, and oddly enough his rig looks JUST LIKE MINE! Almost identical in appearance :rolleyes: I took it as a compliment at first, but now that the fucker was rude to me on the trail and dick about parts, I am a little bitter. So what would you do. If you had a part someone needed, would you offer it up, or try and charge them?

Personally if i have the part and you need it to get off the trail its yours, to BORROW, unless you pony up i expect it back. IMO.

If I gave out a spare, I would hope the person either returns it in a reasonable amount of time, or buys me a replacement. I'm not the type of person that is gonna charge somebody for a part they need while on the trail.

If I have it, it's yours to borrow or replace (or kick sufficient $, if you happen to have it on ya, so I can replace it myself).
I'm not made of money, I had to save up $$$ to afford to carry spare parts, and I carry the spares that I think I may need on the trail. If I give them away without any assurance of replacement, then I'm screwed if/when I break.

I give people the option: 1. buy it for a reasonable price. ie, what I paid for it or what I could replace it for, NOT retail. or 2. just take it and here's my addy, send it back to me later. Either way is fine with me.

Now, for this fawk, IF indeed he FOUND that main leaf just lay'n on the trail eariler and still tried to charge you, fawk that. Asshole IMO! :mad3:

Thats kinda how I feel, take it....give it back when you are done with it, or replace it if you break that one too. But dont ask me for $$$$ right there on the trail, I got other shit on my mind.

Expensive stuff (axle/drive shafts, 60 Joints, & locking hubs) I'll LEND to people I know anytime.

Little things like 1310s, bolts, U-joint straps, belts, I'll offer up to anyone and hope they have the decency to replace it or offer $$$.

If I *found* a part and had no $$$ invested, it's just as much yours as it is mine.

Last trip out I gave a guy I didn't even know one of my spare hubs. I figure what comes around goes around. Of course when I need something I'll probably run into the type of person you ran into. I won't let it ruin my trail attitude, which is that if your out wheelin' your a friend untill proven otherwise. One of the few groups of people I still give the benifit of doubt. :D

I try to carry lot's of spare parts and spares for the spares. And honestly if it means that someone else is going to get their rig back together and get home in 1 piece, the part is there. I rarely expect much in return as usually the parts I have were either given to me for free or just laying around my garage anyway. My parts is your parts is my feeling.

I figure what comes around goes around, next time it will be you thats broke and needs help. returning or replacing is not policy but its a good way to guarantee that someone will help you out in the future.

DO THE RIGHT THING....

This guys gets NO LOVE FROM RPS:flipoff:

I have given motor mounts, and tons of other stuff - along with my addy to return it. Oddly enough I have NEVER recieved any parts BACK :mad:

Very maddening, but I will always lend a hand or a part to a fellow wheeler even though I keep getting burned!

When I give out parts. The little stuff means nothin'(elec connecters, nuts, bolts and the like). But big stuff that could leave me out money then it is nice to have it replaced.
I don't want money I want the part or its replacement back.
The money does no good because then I have to take the time to replace a part that was used to help someone. The least they can do is the leg work to replace it.

That is just my opinon.

ill pull parts off my rig to help a guy out if need be........... i dont want money, just the part returned/replaced...........it helps if i know the person as to how much ill do.........

My deal has always been that if I have it and you need it its yours as long as you either give it back once your off the trail or home, or you buy me another one. Hell i even carry spares for shit I dont have. In the bottom of my spares box i have a brand new isuzu rodeo/amigo CV shaft, a tie rod, drive flanges, and other little shit isuzus break, just cause i had the shit around and wheel with isuzus a lot. I dont wanna give the parts away, but if you need em their yours, just make sure i get em back, or a comparable replacement.

Dallas

So far, I've been on the receiving end of spare parts... and I always try to replace them item rather than give $$$, since then, the giver has to go out and buy the part again... It's a hassle I feel is my responsibility.. Plus, I can buy 2, in case I break one next time!

I'd be leery of loaning out $$ parts to someone I didn't know, without getting THEIR address at the very least... Maybe even write a quick IOU? $100 is worth 5 minutes to me.

So who was it Keith?
I want to know because I am the type of guy that will help anyone on the trail and I dont want to help this fawker if thats how it is.

Originally posted by badassjeepguy
ill pull parts off my rig to help a guy out if need be........... i dont want money, just the part returned/replaced...........it helps if i know the person as to how much ill do.........

EXACTLY!! and I have even pulled shit off my steering to get a bro home.

Last time I was out on the trail I gave some one a ujoint I also put it in the Driveshaft for the guy. I also gave him Straps for it.
Unfortunatley he busted the bolts off in the yoke and neither of us had an extra. Note to self carry extra yokes.

The guy came up with his driveshaft in his hand and asked if any of us had an extra Ujoint and some straps.

I said yep. If you finish cutting up the greenbeans for my dinner you can have it and I will put it in the drivshaft for you :D

The next morning the sneaky guy gave Steve 20 bucks to give to me because the dude new I wouldn't take it.


Thats fawking rediculous someone finds a part and will not give it up to help some one out.

if its an $$ part, ill want a replacement in a resonable amount of time, little shit i dont worry about. i usually give my addy and phone # so that i can get the part back. hell i gave a guy a birf this weekend. so long as their willing to work with me so i can get the part replaced, no problem. as fot that asshole, i woudnt give him a wrap of tape!!! ive had lots of people help me and ill always try to help someone out if they would do the same.

I don’t trust people I don’t know as far as I can throw them, untill I am given reasons to think otherwise. If I could even go into half the shit myself and my family have been through with low life parasite mother fuckers in the last 5 years you’d understand fully where I’m coming from.

If it’s a friend of mine I will give my left nut… (off my intake manifold) if need be. Little stuff like nuts and bolts, a quart of oil blah blah blah really isn’t a big deal. I think when it’s a vital part or a part with $$$ value then it matters to me who I’ll help. It almost seems like a case by case basis though, how bad the situation is, how I aquired the part, who knows the person blah blah. But I think you’ll find the TRULY HONEST people who would otherwise replace or pay for the item will do so on the spot at the time you help them out and then you have nothing to worry about.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
So who was it Keith?
I want to know because I am the type of guy that will help anyone on the trail and I dont want to help this fawker if thats how it is.

Lets just say you would think it was my jeep as you walked up ;)

Aaron you need all the spare parts you can carry when your on the trail. I've seen how you drive and I can understand your reluctance to part with any spares :D

Originally posted by Monkeyboy
Aaron you need all the spare parts you can carry when your on the trail. I've seen how you drive and I can understand your reluctance to part with any spares :D

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D

I'm the guy that always packs a ton of stuff..including parts for rigs I don't own (but have wheeled with or find broken often) to keep things moving. I'd like to say that I pack lots of spares just to be a nice guy, but the truth is, I hate dealing with everybody being broken down on the trails. Hey, it happens to everyone, but if I can expediate the fixing process and keep everyone in the group moving, then all the better.

I once helped out a guy who was way out of his league and stuck his poser rig in the snow with his wife and kids in it. Funny thing is, my group was coming down from a trail run and he was buried up to his ass in snow on the main road that connected to the trails...how you get stuck there is beyond me. I ended up helping the guy out, breaking some of my junk in the process. He tries to offer me $$$ for the work and parts, but I told him don't bother. He then doubles the amount of cash and tells me that I had better take his money if I knew what was good for me :D It was enough for a nice dinner for the 8 of us in my group, a tank for the Jeep, plus a few bucks left to replace what I broke. :smokin:

Then again, I've helped out people who have run off with my parts or just plain didn't care. One dude bitched that the D44 yoke I gave him looked too old. :mad3:

People help me, I help people, it all works out in the end. Unless it is a big ticket item, I tell them to keep their $$$. They usually insist, but I prefer to give them the option. Unless it is food they offer...I never turn that down :D

I tripped over that leaf walking up the hill to take pics of kieth. That dude is pin shit.I get all fired up about this shit. You don't fawk over another wheeler in the time of need. just plain wrong.

as far as getting name and number goes, if its someone off the board I'm not worried about it.

Here's the real question??? Do you lend a part at the beginning of a long run that is a must have part (if you break it) to get you off the trail?? Such as a drive shaft, front axle, spring hanger??
I'm not talking small stuff, but major spares that you know you could break or have fail, and you know would be an essential part to get you out of the woods?

Originally posted by redwilly
I tripped over that leaf walking up the hill to take pics of kieth. That dude is pin shit.I get all fired up about this shit. You don't fawk over another wheeler in the time of need. just plain wrong.

Whast pissed me off was all the emails he sent me asking for advice a year ago :rolleyes:

Originally posted by IN2JEEPN
Here's the real question??? Do you lend a part at the beginning of a long run that is a must have part (if you break it) to get you off the trail?? Such as a drive shaft, front axle, spring hanger??
I'm not talking small stuff, but major spares that you know you could break or have fail, and you know would be an essential part to get you out of the woods?

if its one of my good buddies YES
if its just some guy NO

I know if I break that bad my buddies will drag my ass out if they have too

Little stuff is no problem at all. But if its running gear stuff and its
at the start of the trail , I just say I dont have it. Since I only get
2 weekends off at month , I cant afford to let breakage ruin my
few and far between runs. It took me alot of time to get my trail
spares and giving them away to someone I dont know or trust
is hard to do. So bottom line is little stuff no problem but big stuff
I gotta trust ya.

Kidwired,

That is me!
Good friend = any part i have
Some dumb arse= no no

I just had that happen to me, I had a good spare on the first day of a 4 day ride and some yahoo got pissed when I wouldn't give aup my spare d-shaft.

I'll help anyone with anything that I have to get them home or off the trail. I expect to get my spare back if it's something big, i.e. starter, driveshaft, axle. If it's something small, I really don't care. If it's a maintenance part( i.e. kingpin bearing that I replaced with a new one, hence it's a spare) I don't care, quart of oil, etc.

i personally would just give out the part. here is a short list of parts i have given away free to people.

rear all-pro spring
birfields...2
inner axle....a few
water pump
spring shackles
rs 9000 shouck
trailer spare tire.

thats just offf the top of my head. i am sure there is plenty more.


the only part i ever recall selling on the trail was a brand new unused 38.5" sx


the funny part is when ever i need a spare from somebody i don't know i always try and pay them.


btw. thanks for the spares. :D give me a call when you are in town next time and we will go to A.J. spurs for dinner.

Hell yes:D
I always give out parts (if I have I have it) AND if if find a part for a rig (or bike) that I dont have I'll give it to one of my buds who will use it :smokin:

Its funny, I almost left home without them, then thought to myself "Camo breaks all the time.....he will want these" ;) :evil:

Aj Spurs.....mmmmmmmm.......our rehearsal dinner was there :beer: Probly be in your neck of the woods in a few weeks or so.

Camo, Keith actually had something you needed?? :D Musta been a fuse or a beer or something. hehe...

AJ Spurs... DAMN. Me and the Mrs. are think'n about driving all the way down there just to eat there!! Best damn food on the planet.

I am not the trusting friendly guy. I don't give up much. ( I will, but reluctantly). However I don't ask for much either. I take it as a personal challenge sometimes, to get working with what I have ( MacGyver complex) I will weld a, u joint to a yoke to get off the trail. I will skid tires. I will butcher my rig to make it work. Most people offer help. I turn down most help. UNLESS I can't get out of the way, at that point I will take parts to get out of the way because that's ruining everyone else's weekend.

I have mixed feelings on this.... I treat every situation differently, I have a (growing) list of people who have slighted me or close friends. They don't get my help.

For example I see guys with OBA or power tanks who drift off at air up time but cry for help when they break stuff. I can't stand people like this and don't offer up my stuff but will sell it to em for a fair price where as I would have loaned/given it to someone else.

Fellow club members and people im with for the day, get all the help I can give. Others some degree less,

What about the guy who breaks his D35 w/ stock axles and 35s.... Ill help em off the trail and out of the way... Maybe give em a ride out...

but where do you draw the line...... ?

-yag

I'm with most everyone else. Little parts = trade for a beer:beer:

Big stuff = :beer: + promise to replace.

I'd rather have the same part back or an exact replacement. $$$ would be OK but even @ 2X the amount the part is worth still involves the hassle of finding and going to get a replacement.

I know if I need a part I'll be walking around with beer in hand and a promise to return the piece.:usa: :usa:

I'll help anyone with anything that I have to get them home or off the trail. I expect to get my spare back if it's something big, i.e. starter, driveshaft, axle. If it's something small, I really don't care. If it's a maintenance part( i.e. kingpin bearing that I replaced with a new one, hence it's a spare) I don't care, quart of oil, etc.





Starter???:emb:

:flipoff2:

If I got it and you need it, its yours, atleast to use.

I never "expect" to get my part back or get paid for it if I loan one out. That way, I'm not disapointed when I dont get it back. If I do get a few few bucks or they return my part, hey thats cool. People who aren't prepared with common spares usually don't get invited along with our group again untill they do .

keith, Loppy......you fawkers better call me when your in town. i always need a good excuse to go A.J. 's

I always hand out parts to the guys I am wheeling with.

I have given out some things that have made some creative trail fixes and still been able to drive the rigs home.

All I expect is the parts back to replace them. Big ticket items like everyone else said. Axle shafts, U joints.

small crap like tape, nuts/bolts. I care less about.

Who is this guy? What an A**Wipe. :flipoff2: I believe that we should help out each other. The only way I might not help out someone is if they are doing something really stupid and you've warned them time and time again and they do it anyway and break something. If someone is wheeling responsibly then I'll bend over backwards to help. :D I've done it many times and in turn I've had people help me when I need it. This guy sounds like a total :rainbow: loser. I hope he doesn't need my help.

If I have it, you're more than welcome to it hell, I'll probably help you replace it too. :D
We'll figure something out later on the expensive stuff but for now, let's fix it and wheel!
I think what happened to you was just bullshit, Kieth. Takes a real dickhole to pull a stunt like that.
Hmmmm, a rig that lookes like yours........................pink roll cage too? :confused: :D Maybe we should pull his tech help and put him on our ignore list, the fawker. :mad:

Originally posted by Keith Strong


Lets just say you would think it was my jeep as you walked up ;)

I know who you are talking about because I thought ti was you, but ti was some younger kid driving, and it was missing your front plate. How funny is that? :flipoff2:

Normally, I'll just let the part go. Any part I give to someone to get off the trail. I don't expect back, if I getone back great, if I get $$$ great. Othwerwise... I don't care. On the other hand if the guy/girl asking for the part is a dick, they don't get help from me.


Karma's bound to come back around and help me someday anyway.

as far as this incident goes, this guy is on my "your on your own" list and I'm gonna tell everyone if this guy needs help just keep drivin. Cus he dont PLAY IT FORWARD!!

Originally posted by desertjeepin


I know who you are talking about because I thought ti was you, but ti was some younger kid driving, and it was missing your front plate. How funny is that? :flipoff2:

Yup. Phil saw him on memorial day and raced up the trai lyelling my name thinkin it was me :laughing: Like I said, at first I took it as a compliment, but then he got sassy with me about money and beer and pissed me off. :mad: He got an attitude saying "Can you use a chevy spring?" Yeah, if it means getting off the trail, I could put a fuckin Yugo coil in it :laughing: Fortunately I did not need it after all, it was just the whole situation.

I believe in 3 things as far as this subject goes:

1. My club = ANYTHING
2. Karma- I help a cat out, I'll get some when I need it.
3. Honor- fawk me...you're fawked by me and mine.

Big $$ parts I guess I'd like back. Little sh!t will come back to me.

This guy you speak of can go to hell.

If I give out a part to someone I don't know and they offer $$$ I'll take because I know I would want to pay for it if it was the other way around because that way I don't feel like I still owe them anything more than a bear and a big thanks for helping out. I just don't like to feel like I owe someone so $$$ covers that to me.
I'n Keiths example that dude did owe him do to all the help and it wasn't going cost him a dime so Voo Doo Hex on him:rasta:

Does his name go along with his jeep.. since he has a big black jeep??:p :p

If its the same person.. Hes a fucking idiot. Back on iron mountian when he blew out his oil pressure sensor.. and was about 5 miles or so from hard pavement.. we spent a hour out of our time and sealed up the hole, and gave the guy free oil to get him off the trail..

He wants to charge you.. Fawk him.. Especially since he found it.. This guy has lost all respect, and next time i see you parked on the side of the road.. i will drive by and give ya the :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:

james

In all fairness, I am not SURE he found the spring, but I was told by MANY it was just laying out on the rocks for quite some time.

Originally posted by zukipuke
I have mixed feelings on this.... I treat every situation differently

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I agree. Someone who legitamately breaks in the process of wheelin, yes. Someone who breaks while standing on the gas to get the RPMs to 6 grand then dumpin the clutch, probably not.

my thoughts are my parts are your parts.. i dont expect anything but a thank you... unless its substantial.. like an axle shaft.. transfer case.. then i would just "ask" that it be returned once you got back to camp.. but im not gonna hunt you down for the part.. its mostly on his/her integrity.. if you dont.. then i dont even think of it.. i hope it comes around is all..

so just say thank you.. and im good.. offer me a beer and im your friend for life.. :D

sorry to hear about this numbnut...

Personally I help anyone who needs it. If I got a spare part I'll let them use it with no reall worries. If someone wants to send it back to me when they get home or after their done wheeling thats fine. If its something like an alternator or an axle and they just want to keep it so they dont have to take it back out.....thats fine, Usually everyone will pony up cash for the part latter without asking. but hey if they dont have it right then it's all good. What comes around goes around... Even if its a totally different rig and I have no idea whats what...I'll still try to do what I can even if its just loan a wrench and arm. hell.....i may learn something valuable.

I broke this weekend on the Dusie and got help from some of the guys on the trail and I was thinkful to them. I did not get his namebut he welded up my moter mount for me. He left his glove on my truck and left. I was putting my tools way and had to chase him UP the trail to return them to him.

Thanks for the help on the trail and next time you break or need held and I am close it is on me.

Help on the trail is what its about. Dont fawk the guy that helps you out on the trail. Next time he will fawk you harder:smokin:

well......ive had lots of help on the trail, and owe a few people
its only been minor stuff like tools and help, but sometimes the knowledge is valuable, and the tools were much needed

1 mad engineer and friends and ruff hilux, and anyone else whose ever lent me a hand, even when not on the trail, next time, i will be helping youse, or itll be my shout, so hit me up!!

hey ruff, i have your kingpin bearing and inner axle seal!!

Originally posted by zukipuke
I have mixed feelings on this.... I treat every situation differently, I have a (growing) list of people who have slighted me or close friends. They don't get my help.

For example I see guys with OBA or power tanks who drift off at air up time but cry for help when they break stuff. I can't stand people like this and don't offer up my stuff but will sell it to em for a fair price where as I would have loaned/given it to someone else.

Fellow club members and people im with for the day, get all the help I can give. Others some degree less,

What about the guy who breaks his D35 w/ stock axles and 35s.... Ill help em off the trail and out of the way... Maybe give em a ride out...

but where do you draw the line...... ?

I hear what all you guys are sayin. like every1 has said little things fawk it, I'd want the help if I was in the same situation, big things I may ask for a replacement or may not just depends on the case. I generally put the old Golden Rule to use when it comes to help. One thing that does stick out in my mind though, the whole Power Tank and OBA thing. One riding trip up to Pismo we were getting ready to leave the parking lot. So I busted out my Tank and aired up, a few buds asked for some air and I gladly gave it to them. Then I get 6-8 people I don't know come up all at once and hit me up for air. At first I didn't know what the right thing to do was, I mean I understand the need for air but there are gas stations not a half a mile from the lot, it wouldnt hurt anything to drive down and air up. What would you do here? I ended up letting them air up, they finished up the tank & I said nothing but what would you guys do in this situation? This seems to me like it's a different case than being stuck on the trail in need of a part? It's more like the freeloader/irresponsilble person. Am I just a jerk?



-yag [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Nikkon


I hear what all you guys are sayin. like every1 has said little things fawk it, I'd want the help if I was in the same situation, big things I may ask for a replacement or may not just depends on the case. I generally put the old Golden Rule to use when it comes to help. One thing that does stick out in my mind though, the whole Power Tank and OBA thing. One riding trip up to Pismo we were getting ready to leave the parking lot. So I busted out my Tank and aired up, a few buds asked for some air and I gladly gave it to them. Then I get 6-8 people I don't know come up all at once and hit me up for air. At first I didn't know what the right thing to do was, I mean I understand the need for air but there are gas stations not a half a mile from the lot, it wouldnt hurt anything to drive down and air up. What would you do here? I ended up letting them air up, they finished up the tank & I said nothing but what would you guys do in this situation? This seems to me like it's a different case than being stuck on the trail in need of a part? It's more like the freeloader/irresponsilble person. Am I just a jerk?



-yag [/B][/QUOTE]

Well.. if you had OBA it wouldn't be an issue now huh? :flipoff2:

I usually let people run my OBA to air up. Only half regretted it onoce on a SUV Jamboree, after airing up tire #48 or so (some of those guys aired up to 55psi too) I got to do the last 4, mine. and my compressor finally blew, so no air for me. I-90 on 5psi, now THATS an adventure! (50 miles from nearest air)

Originally posted by twaldher


Well.. if you had OBA it wouldn't be an issue now huh? :flipoff2:

I usually let people run my OBA to air up. Only half regretted it onoce on a SUV Jamboree, after airing up tire #48 or so (some of those guys aired up to 55psi too) I got to do the last 4, mine. and my compressor finally blew, so no air for me. I-90 on 5psi, now THATS an adventure! (50 miles from nearest air) That's why I air mine up first, then it's a free for all :D:D:D.

Originally posted by Todd
That's why I air mine up first, then it's a free for all :D:D:D.

Even for a BENDER:skull:BROTHER:confused: :D :D

The Power Tank thing can get expensive if you let everyone use it. The way I see it, If someone airs down without being responsible enough to figure out how to air back up then too bad they should have planned ahead. It would be like going wheeling for the weekend and not bringing any food with you, then trying to bum some off other wheelers. On the other hand if someone blows a bead on the trail I'll gladly help them re-seat their bead no questions asked.

Most people don't realize that it's an inconvienience and expence to get the tank re-filled. So your mooching buddies need to take the tank from you when it's empty and have it filled.:flipoff2:

I guess its because I don't live in California (People are Mean as all hell there)... But if I got it and you nice, I'll give you anything (I even offered my whole steering setup to a guy so he could drive home)

I ALWAYS will pull you out of the snow... if I have time... :flipoff2: AAA, or the tow truck.. those bastards want 150 bucks just to come out. You just have to promise to return the favor someday.

I went off the highway a couple of years ago, the snow was above the hood on my f-350 crewcab, guy who was with was calling the tow truck, I got and the shovel and waited all of 5 minutes for another crewcab to pull up and yank me out.

What goes around comes around. Granted I have been BURNED:nuke: big time. But Karma hopefully is on my side.

If I have it, just ask, just don't fawk me in the ass.

You're not supposed to wheel like that ?!! :) :D

I agree. Someone who legitamately breaks in the process of wheelin, yes. Someone who breaks while standing on the gas to get the RPMs to 6 grand then dumpin the clutch, probably not.


Oops, I mean like that.

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


Even for a BENDER:skull:BROTHER:confused: :D :D Eric, I'll air up everyone (My brothers first) until they're full or my junk's broke, I'm just going first :D:D:D:D:D. That's why I got York :D:D

Last year I helped out a guy. I gave him an electric fuel pump and my perfectly good spare tire, 35 inch I might add. All I asked in return was my brand new wheel back when he was done. Well I never got it back.

Was the guy drunk? Could explain his dipshit attitude if someone's rig is tatered and they're trying to fix it and I can help I will and most others will too. Bitch of it is its all in the way the guy asks for the help. Sounds like you asked nice the guy was just a dick don't worry he'll need something someday it'll come around on him. My .02 is always give the part until burned by that person and if you get a part from someone give it back or pay to replace it. If they don't have the money they don't have it what can be done then give the guy the part. Now some dinglefuck up there causing trouble and making his own trails or littering you dangle what he needs in his face and say :flipoff:

keith i think i know who your talkin about, i remember a pic of his YJ and it looks exactly like yours, looked like a punk even in the pic:rolleyes:

my take on this whole thing(when i get my junk built) actually my take is and always has been. what goes around comes around, i mean i gave dane(SMART ASS) 2 wheels and a set of perches for his axle swap, his buddy took the other 2 later, i got em for free so i gave em away too, and now i found wheels i needed for a front i got and im givin em away after its gone, i gave the tires off these rims away free too. basically when i get my jeep done and out wheelin, if the dude needs help or parts and i got it, ill give it to him unless hes an ass like in keiths case. and if he really needs it and is an ass, im getting his drivers liscense number and all his info and anyone with him. i think people that expect thier stuff back after giving them contact info for you need to do it the other way around. i believe if your an ass you dont deserve help, i think there was another thread about this about winching people when stuck in the mud or where ever. lotsa good people on this board, hope i get to wheel with some of them someday.

I saw a guy that was selling R&P's to land cruisers owners for different prices depending on how far in the trail they were. This was on the Rubithon 2 years ago. It was really sad.

I have lent lots of parts/tools and supplies and just want to get the part back or replaced. It sucks to be broken down on the tail. It sucks even more to be broken down and not have the parts to repair your rig. I hate to see people try to make a buck on the tail, really sad.

hehehe. I know who we're talkin' 'bout here :D the un-virgin sluice runner's death wobble almost got the best of him when getting back onto pavement :D

I didn't hear the whole exchange of words between the two of them because I was busy trying to roll jiMMy's rig :D but I'm sure keith is accurate although I would like BBJ to chime in :D (whoops were those the initials to his name?)

I don't like his friends PERIOD! he was wheelin' the sluice and doing a dandy job but his retardedly drunk friends were about to blow their wads during the run. hell I thought the sheer excitement was going to cause BBJ's jeep to fold in on itself. so I tell him to hit the high line and these prepubescent children started swearing at me about how it was his first time. BBJ just kept wheelin which was fine but his buds almost started losing teeth.

I have been in both situations. I have been helped out and I have been helped.

One time I was wheelin about 6 hours from home and broke a pinion on my yota axle within the first hour of wheelin. :( I called around and couldnt find one. The I called a guy from the board and He drove 3 hours to deliver me a new pinion gear . This guy saved the day. ( He said he needed an excuse to wheel anyways)
Thanks BONES ;)
I still Owe Him big time a :beer:

I have found that most guys who are in clubs that wheel are generally responsible and trustworthy individuals and I dont have a problem borrowing them anything big and giving them lil stuff.
What goes around comes around is how I view it.
Help a brother out if you can. Keep it Fun

The guy who found that spring and then wanted $$ is pretty :rainbow: in my opinion.

No problem Flexlarson ;) I did need to go wheelin' anyway, so no biggie. Glad you got to keep wheelin'. That's what it's all about.

I will let anyone use my Powertank to air up, etc. As long as I still have enough to run the ARB is all :D On the long trips I will take both of my tanks with me just incase there are a lot of needey folks. Plus I plan to get a set of compact air tools as well :D Most will feed me with a few beers or offer to give me a couple bucks towards a refill. It only runs me 8-10 bucks to refill and IMO it's more of a hassle to get it refilled than an expense.

I'll pretty much give anything I have, Although I do expect it or a replacement back within a reasonableamount of time and have almost always got the items back in the mail in a week or so. I have lost a few electric fuel pumps, but I've got more so I really don't care! I loaned out a cryo'ed 60 steering knuckle after carnage!:D My personal most indebtedness goes out to "Paul", owner of the funky, floating 44" tsl'd, twin-inlined contraption. He loaned me HIS coil in the dead of winter a few years ago so I could get my rig off the trail. Mine burned up (literally!) We played leap frog for the whole trip out, sharing his ignition coil! Used it in his rig for a few hundred yards, removed it and ran back to my rig and used it for a few hundred yards, repeating the sequence until we got off the trail! Needless to say, after that, I carried a spare!

Well it sound like most of you guys are real lucky and have good friends to wheel with and people to help if you break out on the trail; It's a little diffrent here. I do most of my wheeling alone here in Wisconsin. I have met a few people on the trail and have helped a few myself. I helped a young kid who got his Sami stuck in a mud pit. I pulled him out...shot the shit with him for a few minutes and we took off. Later that day I had my Yota parked and I was under the truck checking that my newly installed extened breathers were still intact and the little fuckers comes flying by and never stopped. He didn't know if I had a problem or not. He just kept going. Kinda pissed me off. But that will never stop me from helping people out on the trail. I only wish I had a close knit group to wheel with like most of you seem to have. Consider yourselfs lucky. I am looking at taking a trip out to Moab what is a good group to get with?

Originally posted by SEAL6
I am looking at taking a trip out to Moab what is a good group to get with?
We are heading out with a small handfull to Moab at the end of September for a week. You should go, it's a blast! My wife wants me to move up to Madison, WI :( Crips I'm far enough from good wheelin' as it is now :D

if it's a good friend u can have anything.. cause if i don't give it to you i guess i'll have to drag u to the road =]

if you've screwed me before than forget about it.. i hate ungrateful fuckers..

if i don't know 'em it'll depend on the situation and what kind of people they seem to be.. i don't mind giving out the little shit.. but i don't like moochers.. if i see they are carrying spares, but happen to lack the part they need then i'm very inclined to help out than if they are completely unprepared.. the way i feel is u should carry what u can fit and what u may need but i can't carry all spare parts and neither can the next guy... but if you've got some spares i know you're tryin' so i'll help you out.. and then you're more likely to help me in return..

but i won't deny a sober person in real need of help if i can help at all..

Originally posted by Sillyneck
hehehe. I know who we're talkin' 'bout here :D the un-virgin sluice runner's death wobble almost got the best of him when getting back onto pavement :D

I saw that too....looked UGLY :nuke:

Originally posted by Sillyneck
I didn't hear the whole exchange of words between the two of them because I was busy trying to roll jiMMy's rig :D but I'm sure keith is accurate although I would like BBJ to chime in :D (whoops were those the initials to his name?)

I will be honest, a lot was going on. I would like to hear his recollection of the event as well. Maybe I am confused as to what he meant by $$$ or :beer: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Sillyneck
I don't like his friends PERIOD! he was wheelin' the sluice and doing a dandy job but his retardedly drunk friends were about to blow their wads during the run. hell I thought the sheer excitement was going to cause BBJ's jeep to fold in on itself. so I tell him to hit the high line and these prepubescent children started swearing at me about how it was his first time. BBJ just kept wheelin which was fine but his buds almost started losing teeth. You mean the lines illustrated in this pic? :rolleyes:

You know all this helping out stuff made me relize there is no good way to recognize a fellow pirate member.

Personally im kinda laid back and don't really advertise who I am or where im from etc...

For example a few PBB people were at the WV benifit ride, it would have been cool to say hey while i was there....

Plus i'd be more inclined to help a pbb member if i knew upfront..

We need a non-descript generic sticker that PBB peoples can run with out advertising anything...

Maybe a :flipoff2: round sticker or somthing. Would be easy to do. No words NO http no nothing....

Is there somthing like this already? If y'all ar interested i could get some from the print shop down the road... would be under $1 or so ...

just an idea.....


-yag

Holy Shit!!! I look like the biggest dick right now. We need to clear something up. Back to this whole spring issue. Now when you were asking everyone if they had a spare spring, i came up to you and said, yeah i got one. But i told you that it was a chevy. Now i would of gave that to you but you said that your rear end is already off set as it is and with that spring it wouldnt even work. Now remember there were 2 of us standing there talking to ya. Me and my buddy remember?? My drunk friend that was with me was the one that told you "will trade you a beer or you can pay us some money for it". If you noticed he was laughing as he said it, and was totally not even serious at all!! As soon as he said that you kind of dissapeared, I totally dont want you to get the wrong impression about me. Im not like that at all. Im always down to help out. A good example of it was 2 weeks ago. Some dude broke a front axel didnt know how to replace it, i gave him my spare plus put it in for him, and asked for nothing, as you should. Now if i were you, yeah i would of gotten pretty pissed off too!!!!! But to go to the extent of writing all this shit about how big of a dick I am and all this is kind of uncalled for. But you have to remember he was drunk and joking and HAD No Say in ANYTHING!!!!, SHIT it wasnt even his spring. ! I dont really know what else to say??? But jason my buddy that said that,(was the one with the blue glasses and long ass shorts.)Ring a bell at all, well anyway was totally just fucking with ya. I didnt even know that you were pissed off. Im sorry man, for this whole issue that went on, but seriously i was in no way triing to be a dick or anything!!! Same with jason he was just joking man, but im sorry that you took it that way.
And to Phil sorry man, most of those guys that were up there with us don’t even wheel. There city boys and don’t understand certain things. They were obviously drunk but meant nothing. Shit I need to get some new friends I guess!

:crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby: :rolleyes: :shaking:

A wheeler just broke down in front of my office out on the main road not 15 minutes ago. Didn't expect to need spare parts driving on base so had none. Gave him a tow to get out off the main drag and hooked him up with a needed u-joint. Asked for my address so he could send replacement. That's what it's all about boys and girls.:beer:

Originally posted by bigblackjeep
Holy Shit!!! I look like the biggest dick right now. We need to clear something up. Back to this whole spring issue. Now when you were asking everyone if they had a spare spring, i came up to you and said, yeah i got one. But i told you that it was a chevy. Now i would of gave that to you but you said that your rear end is already off set as it is and with that spring it wouldnt even work.

Um, the way I recalled it, was we were yelling out, "Hey what happened to that spring that was layin around?" and you said you had it. You asked did I want it, and I said yes. You then commented on the chevy spring aspect and I said I can make it work (because I have adjustable buggy leaves in the back) .


Originally posted by bigblackjeep

Now remember there were 2 of us standing there talking to ya. Me and my buddy remember?? My drunk friend that was with me was the one that told you "will trade you a beer or you can pay us some money for it". If you noticed he was laughing as he said it, and was totally not even serious at all!! As soon as he said that you kind of dissapeared, I totally dont want you to get the wrong impression about me. Im not like that at all. Im always down to help out.

I didnt remeber it being your buddy saying it, but I have no doubt its very possible. Either way, the reason I walked away at that point because I knew I could fix my junk well enough and was pissed off at the attitude about the comments. I didnt take it as a joke.

Originally posted by bigblackjeep

A good example of it was 2 weeks ago. Some dude broke a front axel didnt know how to replace it, i gave him my spare plus put it in for him, and asked for nothing, as you should.

Good for you.....that's cool :beer:


Originally posted by bigblackjeep

Now if i were you, yeah i would of gotten pretty pissed off too!!!!! But to go to the extent of writing all this shit about how big of a dick I am and all this is kind of uncalled for. But you have to remember he was drunk and joking and HAD No Say in ANYTHING!!!!, SHIT it wasnt even his spring. ! I dont really know what else to say??? But jason my buddy that said that,(was the one with the blue glasses and long ass shorts.)Ring a bell at all, well anyway was totally just fucking with ya.

I have been VERY nice so far in this thread, cause I wanted to post your name at the get go and call you a dick, but I decided to see other peoples thoughts first. I also wanted to hear your side before REALLY hammering you. Seems as though other peoples opinions matched my initial reaction as well.

Originally posted by bigblackjeep

I didnt even know that you were pissed off. Im sorry man, for this whole issue that went on, but seriously i was in no way triing to be a dick or anything!!! Same with jason he was just joking man, but im sorry that you took it that way.

That's cool. I accept your apology :beer: Sounds like most of this was a misunderstanding, but I know there were 2 others standing there with me that both took it the same way I did. So lets take this as a lesson to be careful as to how you say/do things on the trail, whether it is you or your buddies (speaking figuratively here, not directly at you)

BTW, Nice Jeep :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigblackjeep

And to Phil sorry man, most of those guys that were up there with us don’t even wheel. There city boys and don’t understand certain things. They were obviously drunk but meant nothing. Shit I need to get some new friends I guess!

I figured there was a good explaination because for this whole thing because I never took you to be the kind of guy to do that.

you need to keep your abercromie friends at a dull roar though :D

BTW nice run in the box.

I think you girls need to kiss and make up. Why are we here? To get into pissing contests about who said what when we were so drunk we couldn't remember our name at the time? Nope, didn't think so. I think it WAS lack of communication or maybe too much communication and too much :beer: .

In the immortal words of that great man Rodney King (cough cough), "Can't we all just get along?"

Originally posted by Kendo
I think you girls need to kiss and make up. Why are we here? To get into pissing contests about who said what when we were so drunk we couldn't remember our name at the time? Nope, didn't think so. I think it WAS lack of communication or maybe too much communication and too much :beer: .

In the immortal words of that great man Rodney King (cough cough), "Can't we all just get along?"

I think that was the point of this thread Ken.....and I think we have all learned from it. Plus, I was very interested to see some different views on the topic at hand :flipoff2:

I feel compelled to chime in here. I only get to come down an wheel the Con once in a GREAT while...it is a 800 plus mile trip and we dont get to do it very often. The last several times we have been able to go tho, we have seen increadable acts of kindness ! Mostly to others, unfortunate enuff to break, but once to ourselves. We have seen ppl break all kinds of things, birfields, axles, ujoints, you name it...and total strangers have come running with parts in hand ready to help. Now this IS one reason we wheel ! NO where else in our sociedy do you see total strangers so willing to assist others. Parts, welding, what ever it took to get them back on the trail an runnin ! It was offered up. We,ve seen it time and time again...." I,ve got that part, hold on", as he runs back to his rig to retrieve said part, and prolly helps install it ! Time and again we,ve seen someone pull out his portable welder and go to work on a strangers broken rig. Acouple yrs back my tow rig blew an Alt. Olly, God Bless him, found a guy running a 350 in his Jeep and he offered it up to us without a thought ! It was brand new(rebuild) and I gladly offered the guy the $50 to replace it...It got us home ! (Guy in the red CJ...THANKS !) So, Please...dont stop offering ur help just cos you get stiffed once, or twice...after all, it is what wheeling is all about...US against Them ?:D


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That's cool. I accept your apology Sounds like most of this was a misunderstanding, but I know there were 2 others standing there with me that both took it the same way I did. So lets take this as a lesson to be careful as to how you say/do things on the trail, whether it is you or your buddies (speaking figuratively here, not directly at you)
Yeah i definately meant nothing by what was said, i am in no way that type of a guy. Yeah difinately good lesson learned. :eek: But i will be sure to BITCH my friend out for this one for sure. Tell ya what to make sure theres no hard feelings, next time we see each other i owe you a :beer: :D

I figured there was a good explaination because for this whole thing because I never took you to be the kind of guy to do that.

you need to keep your abercromie friends at a dull roar though

BTW nice run in the box.

BIG MISUNDERSTANDING!!! says it all. i dont think the abercrombie guys will be going up again for awhile, To much DRAMA!!!! Yeah i dont know how i got the balls to run the box after rolling off the top of soup bowl 2 hours before. I guess the beer had a little something to do with it. Finally im DEVIRGINIZED
:D

Next time take the high lines ;) :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Bones

We are heading out with a small handfull to Moab at the end of September for a week. You should go, it's a blast! My wife wants me to move up to Madison, WI :( Crips I'm far enough from good wheelin' as it is now :D

The Madison area's not so bad:rasta: :D


There's good wheeling, if you are willing to travel: Dresser, Apple Valley Farms, Mt. McCaslin, the Pipeline, and Attica, IN to name a few. South Dakota is 12 hours away.

As far as trail parts goes, I've been pretty lucky. The guys I've helped have been appreciative, and the bigger $$ items I've loaned out have been returned or bought.

Hey Phil how did your jeep end up doing. I didnt get a chance to see it on the trail, but when i saw it on the trailer it looked pretty MEAN!!!!:eek:
LOOKING GOOD!

it was big but that's it. my hydro steer didn't show up nor did my 5.13's detroit and air locker so there I sat 4.10 open. 44's laugh though :D it was still extra capable even w/ opens. once you have 44's nothing really matters anymore :D:D:D

are your ball joints smoked by any chance? it looked like your tires were barely attatched in the box. check it out to be on the safe side man.

it was big but that's it. my hydro steer didn't show up nor did my 5.13's detroit and air locker so there I sat 4.10 open. 44's laugh though it was still extra capable even w/ opens. once you have 44's nothing really matters anymore
:eek:
are your ball joints smoked by any chance? it looked like your tires were barely attatched in the box. check it out to be on the safe side man.
They very well could be. they have been in there since christmas time, and are used and abused everyday. So you cought a glimps of the famous DEATH WOBBLE!!! :eek: :nuke:

now that you 2 girls have strighned all this out i have learned one thing from all this, i need to re paint my big black jeep, umm i mean Cruiser to something other than black adn red, lol.

phil - good cut on teh ambercrombie friends, lmao

BBJ - nice run but you cheated with your front locker and you went to fast!

jiMMy

No worries Jimmy, i am workin on a new paint scheme for Britney ;) :flipoff2:

BBJ - nice run but you cheated with your front locker and you went to fast!
Sorry man, next time ill try it open. I got to admit it though, the Cruiser kicked ass for being open in the front :eek: :flipoff2: I didnt get a chance to see you cruise through the Box but i did see Phil go right through. You guys going up for Jamboree, last weekend in July?

i would never lend out, or give a part away that is worth some $$ to me, i would sell it to them, or trade for a part i needed, but there are to many takers and thiefs, that why should i help out someone if he is probably going to rip me off anyway, i can't afford to give some guy an extra birf or something like that, its not worth it for u to pay for someone elses misfortunes, unless u know them, wheel with them, and they will give it back, i would lend anything to my friends, no questions asked, but a guy i don;t know isn;t gettin my parts, i worked hard for them and am not given them away for nufin:D that guy sounds like an ass

This is how I feel, If its a small part that I can live without It's your's, If it's something like a birf, spring, axle, knuckle or other major part and I'm at the start of the trail, sorry but, unless I have a back up for my spare, I'm keeping it. On memeorial weekend, I ran into a guy that needed a J-arm and I happened to have one for a buddy that is still using stock steering. I made it a point to carry one for my buddy. The guy knew we had it and when I told him I wouldn't give it to him he was pissed and then went on to tell me how he wheels ARCA and Calrocks. If he was such a pro he should have carried a spare for his friend in the first Place or at least made sure his friend had the parts he needed. Again, if it's a crucial part like a J-arm, I'm not giving it up unless I'm at the end of the trail, then I have no problem giving it out.

i would never lend out, or give a part away that is worth some $$ to me, i would sell it to them, or trade for a part i needed, but there are to many takers and thiefs, that why should i help out someone if he is probably going to rip me off anyway, i can't afford to give some guy an extra birf or something like that, its not worth it for u to pay for someone elses misfortunes, unless u know them, wheel with them, and they will give it back, i would lend anything to my friends, no questions asked, but a guy i don;t know isn;t gettin my parts, i worked hard for them and am not given them away for nufin that guy sounds like an ass :mad3: :flipoff:

Originally posted by pitter
i would never lend out, or give a part away that is worth some $$ to me,

blah blah blah

i worked hard for them and am not given them away for nufin:D that guy sounds like an ass

Sounds like you're the ass :shaking:

Hey pitter, let,s say, just for the sake of arguement... that you are broke down on the trail....and I happen by...I just so happen to have the part you NEED to continue on ur way. or just get off the trail. BUT, in your way of thinking, I dont know you so I wheel on by saying, "Hope da bears dont get ya". I would be an ASS ? Now this would NEVER happen, because if you are broke and I have a part you need..I give it to you...wearther I know you or not ! I expect the part to be returned, or a facsimilie of it. I am not a rich man either. But, I will also NOT leave you stranded on the trail broke! Clearly half the reason I wheel is the ppl I meet. Most are kind decent hard working types, that just want to have some fun wheeling their creations...and helping out a fellow wheeler along the way ! This atitude of " I got mine, F*CK everyone else" is what is killing us all . OK I,m done...have a nice day !:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :flipoff2:


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read all the good stories people say about a mate driving for hours to come get them, or lending stuff to get home, leap frogging with a coil, lending axles, u-joints, whatever it takes to get home, or off the trail....if the person is EXPECTING a part then that is not on.....but if its a mate, or wheeling partner, its the done thing to help out.......and thats a great thing about the sport.....

i think this should be a tribute thread to all those guys who have helped out others, and they make it worthwhile to continue the development of our rigs and drive on the trails, its difficult sometimes to jerry rig something together to drive it home, and guys always seem to be willing to help with tools, welders, spare tyres, phone calls, offering lifts, parts, etc.......anything they even wait on the trail with you late at night.....or in a puddle, in the rain, all sorts of conditions........


and i hope that guy who lent his brand new 35" tyre out finds that guy and kicks his ass.........

the part to me all depends on what its worth, and if ill get it back, most likely i would give it to the guy, for free, with his phone # and licence plate # if its worth a lot. by that i mean more like a few hundread dollers, if not, he can have it, but i don't carry much for spares anyway, so all i have to lend is my time to help which i would be gladly, im not that much of an prick. and i am not the person to steal anything, EVER, i would return a part if i got it, but i would rather see if i could get my own part becasue that guy/gal might need it later anyway. calm down i should have worded it better

Originally posted by Chopperman
This is how I feel, If its a small part that I can live without It's your's, If it's something like a birf, spring, axle, knuckle or other major part and I'm at the start of the trail, sorry but, unless I have a back up for my spare, I'm keeping it. On memeorial weekend, I ran into a guy that needed a J-arm and I happened to have one for a buddy that is still using stock steering. I made it a point to carry one for my buddy. The guy knew we had it and when I told him I wouldn't give it to him he was pissed and then went on to tell me how he wheels ARCA and Calrocks. If he was such a pro he should have carried a spare for his friend in the first Place or at least made sure his friend had the parts he needed. Again, if it's a crucial part like a J-arm, I'm not giving it up unless I'm at the end of the trail, then I have no problem giving it out.

this is how i feel. but i will lend shit out that hopefully i will get back. or i wont need

Originally posted by Brandon
I have given motor mounts, and tons of other stuff - along with my addy to return it. Oddly enough I have NEVER recieved any parts BACK :mad:

Very maddening, but I will always lend a hand or a part to a fellow wheeler even though I keep getting burned!

I was thinking of BRANDON when I read this, he always gets burned:emb4: :mad3: I help out if I can, and just expect a return, replacement, or $ later if it's a item worth anything, or maybe nothing. Soi in the words of "JOE DIRT" "what ya going do...give up, no, not an option, ya got to keep on keeping on!":D
I too burned up my OBA pump, before I filled my own tires! Doh:D Fill mine 1st next time:D:flipoff2:

YOUR KILLIN' ME OVER HERE STRONG. WHAT A THREAD. :laughing:

Originally posted by Pitter
i would never lend out, or give a part away that is worth some $$ to me,

Originally posted by Pitter
the part to me all depends on what its worth, and if ill get it back, most likely i would give it to the guy, for free, with his phone # and licence plate # if its worth a lot.

:confused: :confused:

You my friend are an asshole, but I would have a little more respect for you if you could stick to your guns. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by KDIO
YOUR KILLIN' ME OVER HERE STRONG. WHAT A THREAD. :laughing:

At least I provide a little entertainment value :flipoff2: I was curious what everyone thought :beer:

It seems we are all pretty much on the same line here about what we give away to help versus what we really would like back/replaced.

I am the same, I will help pretty much anyone who needs it with parts, but I also want the big items replaced...I dont want the money, just the part after you get it fixed...

I posted this yesterday or so on a familiar string...I always get a phone #, lic. #, name ect ect.

This thread was last posted on in 2002, I'm bringing it back up to see if attitudes have changed about this. I know mine has.

for example, my buddy lent his spare tire out to some dudes on fordyce last weekend. Guy promised to bring it back early in the week and gave a phone number, just like allways. When he called him to go get his spare dude says "he lost it" and will, "see if he can come up with something"

Dude acted like a dick on the phone, then ignored the call the next day. Tire will probably cost $200 to replace unless he gets lucky on a used one somewhere. This is typical of what I've seen every time I've lent a part out to somebody I don't know personally.

I'd have answered the same as most of the people on this thread 6 years ago, that I try to help out everyone I can but I've given out enough parts I've never seen again, welded on peoples rigs and then been treated like they were paying customers at the jeep dealership afterwards, ect ect. I allways carry a ready welder but about 3 years ago I started carrying a handfull of 6013 to hand out to idiots that break thier junk out in the woods and then sit parked in the middle of the road like they're waiting for AAA.

have I just had a run of bad luck or do people notice a lot more "part moochers" out there? I'll loan anything I have to somebody I know without thinking about it but not too much for people I don't know these days.

If this was your spare tire how would you handle it?

I usually wheel with the same group of guys. If we have it , it is anybodies that needs it!

A lot of time we run into people on the trail who are broke down and I usualy carry lots of stuff, Always carry joints, 1310,1330,1350, straps, D60 joints.

Most of the time these people are blocking the trail so the faster I can help them get fixed, the longer I have to wheel.

I never ask for anything and will even give away a joint (I do keep some cheaper ones just for that).

Hell , if I can not afford to give someone a $20 1310 joint, then I should stay at home...

I did loan a guy a Bronco front inner and outer shaft with joint at an event once, never heard from it again. Did not loose sleep over it.

I am not wealthy , but if I can not afford a few spares, I stay at home till I can because try telling the boss you could not make it to work because you are 15 miles from your tow rig, busted on the trail...

I WILL NOT loan out anything that is critical to me making it back OR something I am not willing to write off as a "giveaway"...

I would not loan out a spare tire unless I knew them. Some people do this stuff on stupidity and need the lessons learned!!


Once ran across a guy that was busted, had $20 to his name and was 3 hours from home.:laughing::laughing:

I asked him why in hell even left home so unprepared! Just got a blank stare.

I will always stop & help...Even if it will end my day of wheeling to help another person out...My parts are your parts....Only thing I ask for is a thank you & for the person Im helping to do the same for the next guy...

I have even taken parts off my truck to get otheres back going..

I have yet to have this happen back to me...But I still keep doing it...

have I just had a run of bad luck or do people notice a lot more "part moochers" out there? I'll loan anything I have to somebody I know without thinking about it but not too much for people I don't know these days.

I run into parts moochers all the time, pisses me off that they expect me to help them, but don't carry parts or tools so you know they would never be able help somebody else. I also run into a lot of people who will ask for my help then sit back and watch as I try to fix their shit, and get mad if I can't, as if fixing their shit is my job, that pisses me off more than anything.

I still do stop and help anybody who needs it, but I try to get a vibe for them before doing anything serious. If they're under their rig trying to get things handled and seem well prepared other than needing to borrow an impact gun or a relay then I'm all about it, if they seem less interested in fixing their rig than me, then fuck them, I'm out.

I tend to have a certain attitude about people with broken rigs on the trail, and some may consider this dick but if I roll up on someone who's rig is broken and needing help I will stop and help if the owner is (A) knowledgable and (B) the rig is well built. Nothing pisses me off more than running into unprepared ass clowns wheeling in cobbled together pieces of shit held together by duct tape and zip ties. Whenever that happens I ususally laugh and go on my merry way. Screw helping them out, that will just encourage to keep coming out unprepared if they get a handout every time they break.

Most of the wheeling I do is very local, and I know most of the guys pretty well. Lately it seems that I have been on the recieveing end of help most of the time, but I am very thankful for it. In the times that someone else needs assistance I have never hesitated to get my hands dirty or offer what parts/tools I have. Most of my spares are stuff that most people might toss, like used u-joints and stuff that is still good, but can be replaced for $15 with a new one. I have no problem giving those away. I do carry some stuff like new D60 stubs and a PSC p-pump and I wouldnt have a problem lending those to anyone I know, but I would need to get them back or have them replaced later.
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wow, talk about bring a thread back form the dead! I have been on both ends receiving ends. I have broken my junk enugh on the trail either by pushing the rig a bit too much or the junky parts themselves or booty fabs I have done. I think breaking stuff has thaught me to do stuff betetr so it woudl not happen again. I think it sucked for my trail mates, or people runing along with me. I think you are on the trail to wheel, not to wrench :D So that has thaught me some good stuuf on what to do, and specially what not to do.


I try to be as prepard as I can, and carry enough spares of most stuff I know could fail. I have given away joints, driveshafts, axle shafts, TRE's, u-bolts, etc a lot of times. And at times sukced to remember later on that I gave some stuff away just as I broke the stuff, and realized, oh crap, I just remembered my spare driveshaft was given a few runs ago...

A lot of times I would not hear back from people about the parts, and a lot of times, just bringing the smile to their faces and helping them fix their junk was enough. I think wheeling is all part of a community and as any sport, people helping people, specially in times of need, make a huge difference.

When I was in college pretty much everyone including my self was a broke college kid. I would always carry tools and "universal" spares. I gave away a ton of stuff to keep people wheeling and didn't really mind it. After a while I started asking to have things like fluids replaced (college budget, filling the gas tank for a run and a 6er for afterwards would just about break the bank).

I did start carrying pink zip ties, yellow duct tape, and painted all my tools yellow (found lots of them in other people's trucks) and people stoped asking for things as much.

I'll try and give as much and I can and hope it will come back when I'm in a bind.

I always loan out my tools to anyone that needs them. Recently I've given away a u-joint (dude was gonna sell me his rocker guards and ended up taking $25 off the price, really nice guy), gave away an axle shaft last night (it was given to me for free and I have extras).

I carry more tools and parts than most guys do in rigs way bigger than mine. I just view it as karma, what comes around goes around eventually. I always offer tools, parts, and help wherever I can. If people are asshats, I don't let it bother me.

And I believe in the "no child let behind policy". Unless someone is a total asshole, there's no way a rig is getting left out there to get stripped/burned if I'm able to help it.

I used to carry every spare part and tool and fluid with me.

I always loan everything I can to any fellow four wheeler. I just carry a lot less stuff anymore.

I have been screwed several times. I probably have accidentally screwed others several times. But over the last 13 or 14 years, I have found countless wheelers ready to loan or give me the parts that I needed and lend a hand when I was in a bind than I can ever count.

I try every ride, but I can't ever pay back the amount that I am behind.

if im out wheelin and i have a spare part, its theirs for the taking. im not going to ask for cash, but if they offer :D. i would like to have the part replaced, or returned as soon as they have a chance.

however, if some dickhead / asshat / teen is out fucking around, and gets stuck, or broke i might leave him there -

When I was in college pretty much everyone including my self was a broke college kid. I would always carry tools and "universal" spares. I gave away a ton of stuff to keep people wheeling and didn't really mind it. After a while I started asking to have things like fluids replaced (college budget, filling the gas tank for a run and a 6er for afterwards would just about break the bank).

I did start carrying pink zip ties, yellow duct tape, and painted all my tools yellow (found lots of them in other people's trucks) and people stoped asking for things as much.
I'll try and give as much and I can and hope it will come back when I'm in a bind.

so it was pretty obvious they were going to not return the parts, sad:(

I find that it helps if you don't have any parts in common with the people you wheel with. Saves the headache altogether...

Unless I know you, or someone I know can vouch for you, I only give out items that are less then 10$ of value.
Been screwed to many times.
Hell, I have asked some people to "Show me one spare part you carry and I will LOAN you mine".
Its sad to see some people carry nothing on the trail. Fuck those people.

Ill lend out the part or give it to you if you pay me back for it. If you use it and fawk it up i expect cash back.

I never ask for payment on the trail though, who carries a bunch of cash on em on the trails with you fuckers out there anyways. Prolly get mugged:flipoff2:

I find that it helps if you don't have any parts in common with the people you wheel with. Saves the headache altogether...

LOL, that is the way it always works with me too :grinpimp:

I still carry some odd Cruiser shit that is easy to pack that helps my Cruiser buddies...

if i borrow a part, i pay for it or replace it. I normally bring lots of spares and tools, use it or borrow it, but bring it back as you left it. I've gotten some stuff returned worse than i lent it and that chaps my ass. Also with powertanks, some people i don't mind because they've been there for me. But i've also had people tell me to get them my co2 so they can fix their flat... And this was a friend but i still told him to stick it, if he needed it he could go get it and buy my beers for the night because he acted like he was entitled to it.

I'll help anyone get fixed on the trail, but come the next time someone breaks, that person had better be helping out, if they don't help fix someone else after taking help from others i'll sit and watch the struggle for hours just because.

I'll help whoever needs it with whatever I have. I figure karma comes around and goes around, hopefully whoever I help will do the right thing in return as the situation dictates.

Just to show that karma works, JRT rode back from Vegas to Reno with my wife and I. Dave knew of a burger joint, Walker Burgers, in Walker, CA (Hwy 395). Dave had always wanted to stop there but never had, we were hungry, and stopped. Dave went to the window to order for all of us, asked if they took plastic...man at the window said "no"...Dave asked if there was an ATM nearby...the man siad "nope...just mail me the money... I've got to feed you right?"

My wife had cash so it was no big deal, but we were all amazed. I don't go through that part of CA often, but when I do, Walker's Burger's has a lifelong customer. Damn good food, and real home made shakes.

Unless I know you, or someone I know can vouch for you, I only give out items that are less then 10$ of value.
Been screwed to many times.
Hell, I have asked some people to "Show me one spare part you carry and I will LOAN you mine".
Its sad to see some people carry nothing on the trail. Fuck those people.

Hope someone can vouch for me :D . I carry fuses, wire, tire fix stuff, duct tspe, bailing wire, and a fuel pump. I've always made it off the trail with a push, winch, or throttle :D :D

it depends on what the part is... if its an expensive part, i would expect to be compensated at an appropriate time or have the part returned. i would never leave someone stranded unless they gave me attitude or something.

We help whenever we can... part of being on the trail IMHO. I don't think I've ever been on a trip and not lent a hand or had someone lend at hand on my rig. Even on my quad I've given guys rides or ran parts, etc... I don't expect anyone to do anything for me in return but have been offered (and turned down) cash, weed, anything, etc in return. I'd say 99% of the time everyone helps everyone no questions asked... other 1% are pissed fawkers in line or because they broke :flipoff2:

Once in Pollock Pines @ Subway an old guy came up to us and offered us cash as we were wrenching on a rig... no questions, just offered us help right away :eek: Not 5 minutes later the manager(or owner?) came out and said we had to leave the parking lot :mad3: we stopped buying food there. (We had a tire off the rig working on brakes)

i am building my truck for exactly this sort of situation, a repair and recovery rig.

i started a post some months ago and let it die because i had not kept my time line up and fell way behind blah blah blah,. no my truck is almost trail ready and im going to bring it back to the top because this is why i built it.

im talking about a pirate bb "sponcered/supplied" rig. i am/was asking for any and all spare shafts, joint, spiders, arms, hubs and bearing the pbb could offer up to me for free or shipping so that when i am out on the trail doing r/r i can give these donated parts away because they cost me nothing and come from others who didnt need them.

i am building a speical tool bin in the bed of my truck to hold axle and drive shafts, tools and small repair parts. i have front and rear winchs and lots of chains and straps. i should be 100% ready in the next month. while that is getting into the slow and non breakage portion of the year i want to be fully stocked by next spring so that i am ready for the year and can be up there as much as possible.

i would love nothing more than to hand out gear and a youre welcome from the pbb.

We had some guys in our local club that decided that they were going to stop carrying their spare tires because "the expense and extra weight" wasn't worth it. The club rules said you had to have a useable spare on club rides.

Their answer? "Well, because of that rule, everyone else has a spare so why should I carry one when I can borrow onen when I need it?"

That sense of entitlement to things that I own chapped my ass.

I said that there was no way I was putting my brand new spare on the ground for someone who entered the woods without one in the first place. Both of my spare tires have never been used.

:shaking:

I find that it helps if you don't have any parts in common with the people you wheel with. Saves the headache altogether...

now thats funny :lmao:

For me it depends on the individuals attitude....act like a normal,respectable member of society and I will help you in any way I can. Act like the world owes you something or be "that guy on the trail" and you can go pound sand for all I care. I broke this rule once though, I gave some dickhead a ujoint and helped him change it....only because he had the trail clogged and there were about 15 rigs behind him. I figured that the rest should not suffer because of his arrogance/stupidity. The guy didn't even say so much as thanks, just jumped in his rig and continued on. Karma's a bitch though.....I passed him on I-75 and his tow rig appeared to have overheated......kept on going.....did I mention that it was August in Georgia and about 100* out with that wonderful southern humidity.....:laughing: