For any that don't know me personally, I am Pete Sohren. I race desert racing trophy trucks in the biggest races in North America.........I have been reasonably successful in desert racing and have made a name for myself by my driving style and appeal as a financially struggling team up against the biggest and most highly backed teams in the desert.....enough about me. In the weeks before the "King of the Hammers" I was contacted by Camo from Pirate about "finding" me a ride for the new "one of a kind" desert/crawling event. I did a little research and immediately called him back and told him to do what he could to make it happen. The following day he emailed pics of a rig that was based in Phoenix and was not going to be able to make the race at this point. I called the contact guy and tried to make the deal happen but that fizzled out immediately and we were now back at square one. Late the next nite I get a call from Creighton King from Maxxis (the same tire that I run in the desert) and he says one of his crawler teams was not high enough in the points from the previous year to get the coveted "invite" to the hammers event, but would I like to be part of the race with me at the wheel!!! I make the call to Aaron Clough first thing the next morning and we agree on some minor details and were in the race. Aaron is an accomplished crawler but I realize right away he has little or no desert racing experience (no big deal , I have that). I ask about a spare tire mount and he says "we just run on a flat" I then have to remind him that this is a 50ish mile "DESERT" race, not a 5 or 10 minute rockcross, he agrees and we start treating this event like the desert race that it is. I agree to bring an intercom and gps setup so we can easily communicate during the race and be able to follow the route without any trouble. I leave Wednesday morning from Phoenix and head for the race. I do a weekly radio show called "totally offroad radio" and this works out that we are doing the show in SoCal this week. So I make plans to do the show that Wednesday night and then head straight out to Johnson Valley that night to be there in time to do a good prerun on the course. We FINALLY make it to the lakebed at 2 am but hey, were there. We get a few hours of sleep and start getting ready to prerun the am. After we get up Thursday morning and unload our desert prerunner and get some last things ready, we plan on prerunning the desert sections in the harbor freight, our desert trophy truck prerunner. It looks like the real thing but its not, haha, kind of like the stuff at harbor freight! We take out Aarons rock buggy to do some of the tough rock sections just so we can get used to each other and the vehicle. We are ready to go after finding a chip to download the map into our GPS, we hear the course is marked but the map will make sure we stay on course. We have to tech inspect the rock buggy first, so time is dragging. Then one of the video guys wants to put in car cameras in our prerunner to get some more footage....finally we take off about 11:30 am. We put Aaron in the front seat so he can get used to the gps, we have the intercom still in the prerunner so we can get used to that also. Right away we seem to be lost! There are very few markers as the course was marked BEFORE the huge windstorm that has knocked them down or folded them around the sticks. The first ten to fifteen miles goes partly on the same track so it is a little confusing but we get it figured out and we get to the first section thru check one quickly with no issues. We get to the first rock section "aftershock" (I think, as I have NEVER been to this area before). We stop, there are others there also checking out this trail and we walk down it quite a ways and Aaron and I talk about lines and what the buggy will go over and what not to get hug up on. The others there are going to check point 8 or 9, up in the area with some more gnarly climbs, we say we will follow them and they laugh and say ok. The road they took wasn't that tough and we made it up there and did some more walking and checking lines and such, we take an alternate route to avoid going down aftershock, as I now realize wide desert cars will NOT go thru these areas, hahaha! We take the desert section back to the pit area to make the drawing and drivers meeting by 4pm. We draw 21st, but it is now getting late and I have still not driven the buggy and the race starts tomorrow at 8am. So, we strap in the buggy and take off on the desert section off the start. The buggy doesn't like the whoops but we knew that was going to be a problem. The main problem is the steering is WAY too slow, when I turn the wheel it BARELY turns. Aaron says we can change the "orbital " valve and make it steer quicker but it will be harder to steer in the rocks. I, the desert racer, say we have to do it! Aaron changes that and Eddie (my desert crew cheif/part-time codawg) helps put the gps and intercom in the buggy so we are ready for race. Race morning and the buggy is ready . . . sort of. It was a late night and they are wiring up the stuff as the leaders are taking off, haha. Finally, we are at the line and ready to rock! We take off and all is working well; intercom is perfect and we can talk back and forth without problems. We have decided that since I didn't get ANY practice in the rocks that if we get to a section that I can't make we will switch seats (as we are a team and either guy can drive according to the rules). We are going as fast as we think the buggy can take and are closing in quickly on the crawlers in front of us, the motor doesn't seem to have the power it had the night before but we are not stopping to figure it out at this point. We pass one guy and have two others right in front of us, we are only a mile or two off the start and have already gained a minute and a half on one of the teams (maybe this thing doesn't work that bad, haha). We are heading up the first little hill and it won't make it, NO power! We stop and shift to low as the guy we passed passes us right back! We make it and as we are starting up the next sand hill the motor bobbles and Aaron yells that we are on "FIRE!!!!!" We stop and jump out with the extinguisher and get the fire put out. No major damage, so we figure the dipstick blew out because of the high revs in low range and the oil blew out on the headers. At this point I already know we are not winning this race as ALL the other racers have gone by. We make a positive hold down system for the dipstick so this won't happen again. Now we are down for probably 15 minutes but we are not giving up and are off again. We actually pass a few guys on our way to check one, we are cruising now and getting our confidence back as we pass guys. Some stopped, some battling with us. Around race mile 10 the throttle starts sticking and we are now on "forced" cruise control. I say we'll fix it at check 2 but it starts getting dangerous so we have to stop. I ask Aaron to check the toolbag for a spare spring but he informs me we have no toolbag, only a leatherman. What? No tool bag? I don't blow up just start thinking. Do we have a bungy cord? Negative! But I then remember I am wearing a catheter with a rubber hose. I pull up my firesuit leg, pull out about a foot of hose and tell Aaron, "cut it off with the leatherman." Aaron looks at me kinda funny like he's thinking "is this thing gonna spray". But he doesn't say it and quickly cuts off the chunk of hose and reaches in by the pedals and ties it on. He jumps back in and were off. It works perfectly and we are on it again. Motor is surging at an idle but we continue to check two to find additional help and some tools. After clearing check 2, we see a big ford with fabtech stickers and stop. He has a big toolbox on the gate and we quickly make freinds and start digging into the engine. Many 'locals" come down to help and after an hour the smatest guy, not me, there figures out that the secondary linkage is jammed and that is causing the problem! We get rid of the secondaries and decide to continue on with 2 barrels of intake only (at this point we are just trying to finish the event). I suggest we remove the plexiglass window behind our heads as the buggy is always running hot and the fans draw air off of the top of the hot motor and if we remove the plastic it will draw much cooler air, I am OVERRULED! The plastic stays. We take off and get into aftershock in a mile or so, we pick lines and bomb through the first set of rocks without any trouble. We pass many broken rigs and I think to myself that if we just finish without anymore downtime we may do alright after all. We are not pushing hard but actually overtake a few guys between check 2 and 6 and I see my codriver from the Baja 1000, Jason Sheerer parked and getting repairs. We think our pit for fuel is at check 6 but when we get to check 6 there are no pits. We keep going. Right after check 6 is a big sand hill and as we near the top the engine is getting weaker, I check the water temp, it is higher then its been all day. I stop, and the motor immediately blows up. Unbelievably, Aaron says for the second time today, "We're on FIRE!" We jump out and this time it is really flaming, not just smoking!!! Aaron grabs the extinguisher and really uses some fire retardant foam this time. Steam and flames are coming out of everywhere. Aaron gets the fire put out and we are officially stuck in the middle of the course with no power. Right away I see a guy in a supermodifed cheroke bombing up the hill to save us. He said he saw the fire from the valley below and came to help. He has a strap and gets us pulled around and down the hill. Our own crew meets us at the bottom of the hill, they could see us from check 8, which was just across the canyon below. We were done and had to be pulled back to the main pit area. All in all it was a great event. I will be back next year, as long as I am invited. It will take everything that it takes to win big desert races; top notch preparation, prerunning, gps notes, good navigation, and chase crews. See you all next year!!! Congratulations to Shannon Campbell (an Arizona product), for winning in dominating fashion, coming from the back, passing everyone and finishing first on the road.

Awesome, thanks for sharing your experience, I wish you a little better mechanical luck for next time though. What engine was in the buggy?
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SerennaHot (http://camslivesexy.com/cam/SerennaHot)

Glad you had fun. Better luck next time.

Edit: (this is pirate afterall) Break that shit up into a few paragraph's. Jeeeez!

cliffnotes version............we broke and did not finish

Nice story, glad you guys made the race. I hope to see your team next year. Do you have any sparked interest in rocks now?

Harbor Freight. :laughing:

Right on Pete, thanks for the story! Better luck next year.

I'm sorry to hear you DNF'd. I was hoping a 'real' racer (haha) would show these guys how it's done.

See you in Baja!

Hi,
For those who don't know me, I am Pete.... One long winded SOB :homer:

You don't carry a bag on dipstick tie wraps :shaking:

Sounds like it was fun anyway :D

Awesome write up! Aaron lives a couple miles from me, I was wondering how things turned out for you two.

Now I can rib him for building flammable buggies. :D

So did you get a little respect for the rocks, or do you still feel that the H.F. could drive "anywhere":confused:

Good story. Sounds like you had your back up against the wall from the beginning. Everyone I talked to, whether they finished or not, said they had a blast.

trophy trucks would definately be the first to the rocks but they could no way make it through the rock sections, not even if four wheel drive, they are way too wide and would get hung up in many places (and i broke down right before the gnarely sections, so i missed the good stuff)

Great to hear it was fun! Also glad to hear feedback on the event overall.:D

Here is the only pic I got of you Pete...you were rockin that GLAD bag like a rockstar:D

Nice writeup of your experience out there Pete, thanks. Good luck at the SF race.

Was great to have you out there Pete. See you next year.

Dave

Awesome story Pistola! I can't believe the catheter story. I was unaware of your existance before you became part of the pirate4x4 family but you crack me up and are definitely entertaining. I hope you get the chance to be part of KOH 09'. Good luck in your future races.

Tom Wayes is my son and I'm proud of his finish at KOH!!!!!!!!!! From the Times list at KOH I see he was kicking some A--s until some breakdowns that he was able to repair on the trail. As usual he worked it out and finished the race 23rd.

Probably not too many know Tom raced after a knarley crash at Squaw two weeks ago. He has real guts!!!!!!!!!!! Always has.

I know one thing for sure! He had the prettiest crew chief in Johnson Valley, his lovely wife Lel Tone!

Proud of you son!

DAD in Pennsylvania.

Tom Wayes is my son and I'm proud of his finish at KOH!!!!!!!!!! From the Times list at KOH I see he was kicking some A--s until some breakdowns that he was able to repair on the trail. As usual he worked it out and finished the race 23rd.

Probably not too many know Tom raced after a knarley crash at Squaw two weeks ago. He has real guts!!!!!!!!!!! Always has.

I know one thing for sure! He had the prettiest crew chief in Johnson Valley, his lovely wife Lel Tone!

Proud of you son!

DAD in Pennsylvania.

You should be proud. Your son is one cool cat, even if he is a little insane.

He put on a show all week. Can't wait to see him back next year.

Dave

Cool and funny story Pete, thanks for sharing.

Cool write up, Pete. Too bad you broke so early... I was really looking forward to hearing your perspective on the rock sections. And thanks for talking to a nobody over dinner Thursday night. :)

Tom Wayes was definitely not giving up. I was up on Upper Big Johnson when they came through. A broken front stub and a rear locker that wasn't working, and they kept at it! He put on a hell of a show before wisely deciding to wait for parts.

newb :flipoff2:

Better luck next time. And btw, the Pirate4x4 coverage fully kicked ass. It was awesome to see so much from so far away. :smokin:

Tom Wayes is my son and I'm proud of his finish at KOH!!!!!!!!!! From the Times list at KOH I see he was kicking some A--s until some breakdowns that he was able to repair on the trail. As usual he worked it out and finished the race 23rd.

Probably not too many know Tom raced after a knarley crash at Squaw two weeks ago. He has real guts!!!!!!!!!!! Always has.

I know one thing for sure! He had the prettiest crew chief in Johnson Valley, his lovely wife Lel Tone!

Proud of you son!

DAD in Pennsylvania.


He went down sledgehammer with a flat left rear! Skillz!

i'll pee my pants before i wear a catheder i dont care what race i'm in. i had one before surgery once and it feels like a garden hose with spikes on it is going up your dick.

i'll pee my pants before i wear a catheder i dont care what race i'm in. i had one before surgery once and it feels like a garden hose with spikes on it is going up your dick.

catheters we use in off road are like a condom with a hose on it...........it works great unless you have a really small dick and falls off like someone i know, hahahahaha..............

oh ok,... i was about to say, your pretty damn hardcore if you went through "installing" a catheder just to shave a couple piss stops off your race time:eek::homer::homer:

Lets see how long it takes Pete to step up and buy/build a crawler!!

Alegedly there was a trophy truck driver at KOH inquiring as to what it would cost to build a buggy like Shannons. I truely do not know which TT driver it was, just that he was on the lakebed.

Alegedly there was a trophy truck driver at KOH inquiring as to what it would cost to build a buggy like Shannons. I truely do not know which TT driver it was, just that he was on the lakebed.

was he rockin a mullet?

Second hand information. I gave you all the info I have.

Speaking of cool dads..I had the opportunity to meet papa mullet at the off road expo rock cross. Pete your dad is a cool cat and you can tell the pride he has for his son.

It is cool to see some desert guys getting their feet wet in other not so mainstream areas of the dirt sports.

wow!

such a long story just to show it was'tn Pete the great who fucked up. nice.

so, now WE ALL know that:

= you got in the game at the very last minute and could'nt possibly get things ready (is it because you are such a bussy seleb with a radio racing talk show?)
= you had zero time on that crawler.
= you had no experience or practice in rocky terrain.
= you have NEVER been in that area before.
= the buggy was'nt the right one for the job and was definitely illprepared.
= it had louzy steering, it did'nt like whoops and the engine, oh boy, that SOB of an engine really sucked - oil was spilling, cought fire, secondary got stuck and it finaly blew up(partly because YOU were overuled about that shitty plastic).
= Aaron did'nt navigate all that well and you had no time to get used to each other, not to mention the dude did'nt even have a spare tire or, get this, a toolbag!!!.
= the storm blew and folded most of the markers.
= conclusion -if YOU were in charge of things, probably evrything would look differently.


yep, Pete, you sure had some tough luck and rough time over there with all those rock amatures.

but hey, we know it was'nt you to blame or carry the shame - it was everyone and everything else.

it's a good thing though that you had your catheter on for a 50 mile tour in the desert.....

wow!

such a long story just to show it was'tn Pete the great who fucked up. nice.

so, now WE ALL know that:

= you got in the game at the very last minute and could'nt possibly get things ready (is it because you are such a bussy seleb with a radio racing talk show?)
= you had zero time on that crawler.
= you had no experience or practice in rocky terrain.
= you have NEVER been in that area before.
= the buggy was'nt the right one for the job and was definitely illprepared.
= it had louzy steering, it did'nt like whoops and the engine, oh boy, that SOB of an engine really sucked - oil was spilling, cought fire, secondary got stuck and it finaly blew up(partly because YOU were overuled about that shitty plastic).
= Aaron did'nt navigate all that well and you had no time to get used to each other, not to mention the dude did'nt even have a spare tire or, get this, a toolbag!!!.
= the storm blew and folded most of the markers.
= conclusion -if YOU were in charge of things, probably evrything would look differently.


yep, Pete, you sure had some tough luck and bad time over there with all those rock amatures.

but hey, we know it was'nt you to blame or carry the shame - it was everyone and everything else.

it's a good thing though that you had your catheter on for a 50 mile tour in the desert.....

:shaking:

catheters we use in off road are like a condom with a hose on it...........it works great unless you have a really small dick and falls off like someone i know, hahahahaha..............


thanks ....... I was kinda wondering

:homer:

wow!

such a long story just to show it was'tn Pete the great who fucked up. nice.

so, now WE ALL know that:

= you got in the game at the very last minute and could'nt possibly get things ready (is it because you are such a bussy seleb with a radio racing talk show?)
= you had zero time on that crawler.
= you had no experience or practice in rocky terrain.
= you have NEVER been in that area before.
= the buggy was'nt the right one for the job and was definitely illprepared.
= it had louzy steering, it did'nt like whoops and the engine, oh boy, that SOB of an engine really sucked - oil was spilling, cought fire, secondary got stuck and it finaly blew up(partly because YOU were overuled about that shitty plastic).
= Aaron did'nt navigate all that well and you had no time to get used to each other, not to mention the dude did'nt even have a spare tire or, get this, a toolbag!!!.
= the storm blew and folded most of the markers.
= conclusion -if YOU were in charge of things, probably evrything would look differently.


yep, Pete, you sure had some tough luck and bad time over there with all those rock amatures.

but hey, we know it was'nt you to blame or carry the shame - it was everyone and everything else.

it's a good thing though that you had your catheter on for a 50 mile tour in the desert.....

I didn't take his commentary like that at all. Your just butt hurt because nobody likes your TT.....lol:flipoff2:

I have to agree some with Frog on this one.. When I first read it that's how it came across to me.. Then I thought "this is Pistol Pete" so more than likely it came out on paper different than it was really trying to be told. It did seem like he took as much blame off of himself and dissed the one that put him in the ride in the first place a little. No harm, I do believe he told it just like he thought it all happened. We'll see what ride he ends up in next year, that'll tell the story.. :flipoff2:

i told my story as it happened, maybe to enlighten those who plan on running this race next year, maybe i was too harsh on my own effort, the driver is ultimately responsible for everything so i take the blame for my lame effort, it will not happen again. If you are racing this event next year let me remind you of a few things that will make your team more succesful: you must have a tested, reliable, and well prepped rig, you have to have a good navigation system and be well versed in operating it, you must carry a spare tire or put tires in 10 to 15 spots around the track, you must prerun as much as possible if you do not know this area, you must know alternate lines if there are rigs stuck in the preferred line, you need multiple chase/recovery crews with radios, you need crews with the ability to give you split times so you know where you are at on time and how fast you need go if you are trying to win overall, you need tools and a good jack so you can quickly fix your own rig and get right back in the race. if you read my story as me blaming the car owner that is not the case, i blame myself..........i knew what it was going to take to be competative and i didnt bring it!

In Pete's defense( He needs none) I spent several minutes around the fire after the race, and he laid it out that if he recieved an invite back next year(which it seems he would like very much) He would bring the A game. BIG TIME.

Pete is a hero to guys like me who are not mcmillionairs and want nothing more then to get the rush of making 1st dust across a strip of desert. I am sure he gets requests all the time as well as Cameron to attend half ass back yard racing events. I assume his expectation of what we had planned may have been formulated on his experience in Pomona. It seems this was a little more then what he expected not knowing Dave or myself.

It was an honor to have some time getting his feedback on the race and see his interest in next year. Cam does not post here, but he also felt he would need to step up(not that the Lovelles did not bring it) his personal efforts in order to make a good showing next year.

Thanks for your participation Pete. I would love to be following you south bound, but I think it may be a smarter move to attend Impact and find some people that find value in a very intense off road race.

Jeff Knoll
Hammerking Productions Inc.

I spent 20 minutes at the fire talking with Pete about the race and what it will take to have a shot at winning it. He was very open with his race prep ideas and shared his experiance with a complete stranger. I saw him do the same thing with others too. eh never blamed anybody for anything just told his story. I think Pete has a new understanding and appreciation of the Rocks too. Not the same thing as he saw in Pomona. Was a pleasure racing with you again Pete.

wayne

wayne

and after an hour the smatest guy, not me, there figures out that the secondary linkage is jammed and that is causing the problem!

That smartest guy was Jason Bunch from Tri-County Gear in Pomona; the best Jeep Mechanic in SoCal.

I to have know Pistol for a little bit of time, he is a matter of fact kind of guy, he does not sugar coat anything and can come across as abravise, kind of like CAMO :laughing: oh well that's life :laughing:

I was the one that marked some the course and take blame for the course markers taking a shit after the rains and winds, oh well, it's racing. Pete was right on about the markers... even the JV vet's got lost, it happens in the heat of the competition, race marking will be better next time.

Pete, I hope to make San Felipe and help the team again this year. The 1000 last year was fun as hell:D

Big Rich

wow!

such a long story just to show it was'tn Pete the great who fucked up. nice.
.....


I appreciate that he took the time the next day after the race (even though it was a measly 50 mile race) to sum it all up and post his log.

A lot of us who race on a limited budget look up to him and a lot of off-road racers and fans wondered how he did in this particular race. In fact if you check a racing forum many racers post their race log after the race so everybody can read how they did since it's hard to follow a long desert race.

It takes a whole lot more prep for a desert race than you can imagine if you've never raced off-road and most teams take pre-running pretty seriously, he's just stating the differences with this type of sport. I'm sure if he had his team pre-running and prepping the car his race would have ended completely different.

Good luck in the SF250 Pistola!

i told my story as it happened, maybe to enlighten those who plan on running this race next year, maybe i was too harsh on my own effort, the driver is ultimately responsible for everything so i take the blame for my lame effort, it will not happen again. If you are racing this event next year let me remind you of a few things that will make your team more succesful: you must have a tested, reliable, and well prepped rig, you have to have a good navigation system and be well versed in operating it, you must carry a spare tire or put tires in 10 to 15 spots around the track, you must prerun as much as possible if you do not know this area, you must know alternate lines if there are rigs stuck in the preferred line, you need multiple chase/recovery crews with radios, you need crews with the ability to give you split times so you know where you are at on time and how fast you need go if you are trying to win overall, you need tools and a good jack so you can quickly fix your own rig and get right back in the race. if you read my story as me blaming the car owner that is not the case, i blame myself..........i knew what it was going to take to be competative and i didnt bring it!

I must admit, I wasn't really into desert racing and didn't know who you were until recently when Lance got into it and we started covering it some here on Pirate4x4.

It has been said that the measure of a man is how he acts under pressure or under attack.

If that's true, based on this response, and the one you posted when you were being attacked from many quarters after the B1k, you have made a fan for life in me, Pete!

Now, quit posting dick-draining tech and answer my suspension questions about yout TT in the Pirate TV episode 6 thread :flipoff2:

I too was wondering who "Pistol Pete" was till I saw the in car camera that Lance "You gettin out....Wha...Me? Oh #*&%!" had posted up from the Baja 1000 in the Trophy Truck....

Truly Bad ass! I've watch that vid several times....:smokin:

Impressive driving.....

That is a great vid for sure.. and the Lance, "Who me??" bit is absolutely hilarious.

Pete,

thanks for the recap. always next year buddy.

see ya in san felipe :smokin:

camo

Great followup. I enjoyed it!
I was curious how the race would look from a TT/desert point of view. Sounds like you you're hooked. :D
Its crazy to me that you'd even attempt a race like this with so little prep, but it sounds like that won't be happening again.

You can thank Lance and PBB for another fan!

what? no more haters?? i got my ass handed to me by the rock crawling community, i can take some ribbing..............

what? no more haters?? i got my ass handed to me by the rock crawling community, i can take some ribbing..............

I,am not a hater and enjoy all things off road, But you suck at this, crawlers made you (desert guy) look bad blah,blah,blah,blah:flipoff2:is that enough ribbing or do you want more?:D better luck next time

Hey Pete you suck, you jackass.:flipoff2: you asked:D

what? no more haters?? i got my ass handed to me by the rock crawling community, i can take some ribbing..............

Pistol Pete,

Now that you mention it.....I was talking with Robby Gordon the other day and he was concerned with the image that you brought to the KOH from the TT guys....

He was pretty disappointed in how you represented all of them....

First the mullet image.....now the ass whoopin.....


.....he feels let down.....:laughing:


:flipoff2:

you have made a fan for life in me, Pete!

Now, quit posting dick-draining tech and answer my suspension questions about yout TT in the Pirate TV episode 6 thread :flipoff2:


Pistol, some of us want to know the pros and cons of up-the-urethra (ouchy!!!) catheters vs. condom-style catheters? I can't believe someone thought Pistol was using a post-surgery up the hole catheter -- I had one of those after surgery and it sucked! Let's keep talking about catheters in this thread -- do women use catheters? How 'bout it, BillaVista? Curious, demented, horny men want to know details.

Pistol, some of us want to know the pros and cons of up-the-urethra (ouchy!!!) catheters vs. condom-style catheters?

and do you have that hooked to a bag, or do you just stick the hose out the window to help water the desert and keep the dust down?

I had a catheter (the kind they stick up your pee hole :eek:) installed once AFTER an operation. You want to know pain? I'd rather break my legs again. It's twice as bad going in as coming out, and coming out feels like the devil is pulling a vein out through your penis.

After that, I just have a friend or relative piss in the cup so the nurses leave me alone. I'll pee in a day or two... when I'm not being pressured!


Pistol "I don't pay" Pete, glad you made it out to KOH! At least none of the rock crawlers pussy punched you. :)

Chris

Pistol Pete,

Now that you mention it.....I was talking with Robby Gordon the other day and he was concerned with the image that you brought to the KOH from the TT guys....

He was pretty disappointed in how you represented all of them....

First the mullet image.....now the ass whoopin.....


.....he feels let down.....:laughing:
:flipoff2:

Yeah, but Pete's bumper cover was legal!!! :flipoff2:

Yeah, but Pete's bumper cover was legal!!! :flipoff2:

Doh!! :homer:

I guess that's where I come in....

My name is ROB PARK some of you may know me as "Tin Bender" or the shorter version "Bender". I raced KOH and we came in 10th.


Pete, I was the one sitting on the back of the Quad the night before the race, kick'n it by the fire....

Camo was trying to get you to go out and get your feet wet by make'n a quick run up Sledgehammer.... I think it went this....

Camo: "Dude, Pete I think it would be a good idea if you went out and ran Sledge to see what the rocks are like"

Pete: "Rocks?... Shit, this thing will be won and lost in the Desert! A trail is a trail..."

Camo: "???? Dude, this isn't a "trail" is a Fawking "TRAIL!!"

Pete: "I don't care about the Rock sections" (shruging shoulders)

Bender: " You have no Fawking idea what your in for!!"... " the desert sections..LOL" "dude your gonna go down in a ball of FLAME".

I may be SLIGHTLY off on my quotes.. BUT NOT MUCH..

You came, You saw, You underestimated, You Laughed, You lost...

I guess that's where I come in....

My name is ROB PARK some of you may know me as "Tin Bender" or the shorter version "Bender". I raced KOH and we came in 10th.


Pete, I was the one sitting on the back of the Quad the night before the race, kick'n it by the fire....

Camo was trying to get you to go out and get your feet wet by make'n a quick run up Sledgehammer.... I think it went this....

Camo: "Dude, Pete I think it would be a good idea if you went out and ran Sledge to see what the rocks are like"

Pete: "Rocks?... Shit, this thing will be won and lost in the Desert! A trail is a trail..."

Camo: "???? Dude, this isn't a "trail" is a Fawking "TRAIL!!"

Pete: "I don't care about the Rock sections" (shruging shoulders)

Bender: " You have no Fawking idea what your in for!!"... " the desert sections..LOL" "dude your gonna go down in a ball of FLAME".

I may be SLIGHTLY off on my quotes.. BUT NOT MUCH..

You came, You saw, You underestimated, You Laughed, You lost...

i agree i lost but i NEVER underestimated, i knew the rocks were going to be tough but i had an experienced rock crawler with me and if i couldnt do it we could switch seats and continue, a late night prerun would not have helped our cause as we were doomed from the begining by lack of preparation. the buggy we were in handled all the rock sections through ck6 with ease and im sure would have made it through the rest of the course if our persistent engine problems wouldnt have stopped us.........i know what a desert race is, if anything most of the other competators underestimated the race and what it would take to win it!! in desert racing finishing within 5% of the winners time would be considered a "game" effort, beyond that your just participating............

I think this is where we segue into the shit talking for next year...

We will see who is in the top 5% of the "game" next year...

Pistola, better luck next year, KOH 2009 will likely be a whole different animal with the lessons learned by this years participants and the competition will be on a whole different level as a result, should be fun. There were more than one DNFs as a result of guys underestimating the desert so I'm not sure what people are giving you shit for because you underestimated the rocks, every single team would have benifitted from some better prep.

Pistol, some of us want to know the pros and cons of up-the-urethra (ouchy!!!) catheters vs. condom-style catheters? I can't believe someone thought Pistol was using a post-surgery up the hole catheter -- I had one of those after surgery and it sucked! Let's keep talking about catheters in this thread -- do women use catheters? How 'bout it, BillaVista? Curious, demented, horny men want to know details.

Do a search on RDC, there's some great pissing tech over there, including everybody's favorite catheder shenanagins:laughing:

what? no more haters?? i got my ass handed to me by the rock crawling community, i can take some ribbing..............


I hate you! :flipoff2:



(Feel better?)



Chris:cool2:

i told my story as it happened, maybe to enlighten those who plan on running this race next year, maybe i was too harsh on my own effort, the driver is ultimately responsible for everything so i take the blame for my lame effort, it will not happen again. If you are racing this event next year let me remind you of a few things that will make your team more succesful: you must have a tested, reliable, and well prepped rig, you have to have a good navigation system and be well versed in operating it, you must carry a spare tire or put tires in 10 to 15 spots around the track, you must prerun as much as possible if you do not know this area, you must know alternate lines if there are rigs stuck in the preferred line, you need multiple chase/recovery crews with radios, you need crews with the ability to give you split times so you know where you are at on time and how fast you need go if you are trying to win overall, you need tools and a good jack so you can quickly fix your own rig and get right back in the race. if you read my story as me blaming the car owner that is not the case, i blame myself..........i knew what it was going to take to be competative and i didnt bring it!







Bullsh**, all you need is an sacked out F-Toy, no navigation, no spare tire, a thrown together metric tool kit, and a couple of tanks of propane. But thats just me, I don't know what you need!:flipoff2:

Hows that for salt in the wound?:laughing:

Bullsh**, all you need is an sacked out F-Toy, no navigation, no spare tire, a thrown together metric tool kit, and a couple of tanks of propane. But thats just me, I don't know what you need!:flipoff2:

Hows that for salt in the wound?:laughing:

:eek::laughing::p

Bullsh**, all you need is an sacked out F-Toy, no navigation, no spare tire, a thrown together metric tool kit, and a couple of tanks of propane. But thats just me, I don't know what you need!:flipoff2:

Hows that for salt in the wound?:laughing:


Hey, Brett.....

I think Pistola is looking to win :D not just to finish :laughing:

Great Job on getting the F-Toy there first in class :smokin:

Big

Hey, Brett.....

I think Pistola is looking to win :D not just to finish :laughing:

Great Job on getting the F-Toy there first in class :smokin:

Big



Yeah, I know.:laughing:

I hope he has a sence of humor!
Thanks for the compliments, I hope to be back next year, just to finish ,because that alone is enough.

Yeah, I know.:laughing:

I hope he has a sence of humor!
Thanks for the compliments, I hope to be back next year, just to finish ,because that alone is enough.

I agree..... but first in class is cool :smokin: and all the F-toys finished one way or another :D

I think Pistola is looking to win :D not just to finish :laughing:


Big


What the fuck evah, he didn't do either:laughing::laughing::laughing:

So much for those desert fags that thought they were gonna 'school' us crawlers:D

What the fuck evah, he didn't do either:laughing::laughing::laughing:

So much for those desert fags that thought they were gonna 'school' us crawlers:D

You tell him Rose. Way to give him a what for.

one of my first suggestions to the promotors was to have different classes as you guys do in the other crawling events so yes anyone could win overall but the guys with less "exotic" rigs could still win thier "class".......just a thought.......the guy that got 5th overall had a 4 cylinder and no where near the machine that won the whole thing, he should have won something, imo

one of my first suggestions to the promotors was to have different classes as you guys do in the other crawling events so yes anyone could win overall but the guys with less "exotic" rigs could still win thier "class".......just a thought.......the guy that got 5th overall had a 4 cylinder and no where near the machine that won the whole thing, he should have won something, imo

That's a good point and I would imagine if it continues to grow, the promoters will be forced to create classes and rules and such. For now, I'm diggin' the run what you brung, put up or shut up, winner take all, "KING" of the Hammers feel of this thing. Throwing in a "Queen", "Prince", Princess", etc.
will dilute it IMO.

I don't care if the winning car has a jet engine for the desert and a hover craft for the rocks. If they can make it all hold together and leave the rest of the feild holding their dicks, good for them. Too many racing series' limit teams into a budget and recipe for a cometitive effort. More rules = less technology. It's good to see 4 cyl's near the top of the pack. Maybe Shannon should have let them touch the trophy. :D

I'm sure the lower budget teams that did well are celebrating their efforts against the big dogs. They definitely earned some respect and that's better than any trophy.

one of my first suggestions to the promotors was to have different classes as you guys do in the other crawling events so yes anyone could win overall but the guys with less "exotic" rigs could still win thier "class".......just a thought.......the guy that got 5th overall had a 4 cylinder and no where near the machine that won the whole thing, he should have won something, imo

Brett won the respect and admiration of the Rock world for his accomplishment. Trust me, it didn't go unnoticed.

im not saying the unlimited rigs should be limited by any means, i just think the guys with maybe not all the doe should be able to compete on reasonably level playing field............just my opinion...........not my sport so my opinion really doesnt matter.........

3rd place was a 4cyl. Rick spanked a lot of v8's Motor did not win the race.
Had Nicole Johnson not gotten lost twice for a couple hours I bet she would have surprised a lot of people. I do not believe she has a big motor. Look out for Nicole next year.

We don't mind the armchair quarter back talk one bit, and long time racers bring plenty to the table with ideas for improvement, but currently its truly unlimited racing. We dont care if your motor matches the grill or what badge you are running on the side. Enjoy it while you can.

Things likely will be forced to change as we continue, but the words of a class one driver at the KOH drivers meeting that "this is what desert racing used to be like" does rate pretty high in what we are trying to do.

Racers can find classes for any budget level in both rock sports and off-road racing that will allow them to compete at the level they choose and within (maybe) their budget.

Our first game plan 2 years ago had 12 classes of racers and it just is not practicle for this type of event in this location. It is likely that you will see the same format for 2009 as the racers sorted themselves out in regards to classes. I am sure Rick and Brett are very satisfied with the finish.

There was discussion for additional trophies for different things but the budget and time did not allow it to happen. Hopefully next year all the companies that said they had to see how it turned out before investing will feel we offer a value.

One thing is certain...... New course next year as we don't want to see the trails beat to death with pre runners. Likely more miles and a few tougher trails. JV is a pretty big place.:p

Rides in trophy trucks or not smashing the 1706 jeepspeed might buy some inside information.:flipoff2:


Thanks again Pete for the feed back, we will have trash cans next year as well.:homer:

Bullsh**, all you need is an sacked out F-Toy, no navigation, no spare tire, a thrown together metric tool kit, and a couple of tanks of propane. But thats just me, I don't know what you need!:flipoff2:

Hows that for salt in the wound?:laughing:

Oh and don,t forget the shiney new fire suit! Mr GQ:D awesome job

I know my opinion does not count for shit, but as the ALL KNOWING WIZARD, I want to see KOH allow each team to use whatever 4 wheeled means they want, to get through the course. THIS means you can have a desert vehicle waiting for you when you get out of a crawling section, and vice-versa. Logistics would be amazing. Just my superior opinion -- King of Kings of Hammers! haha:D

what? no more haters?? i got my ass handed to me by the rock crawling community, i can take some ribbing..............


How come you left out the part where Eddie backed into Easy Rick's 554? :laughing:

Score;

Harbor Freight Pre-Runner;
1 Smashed exhaust pipe.
1 Skuffed fender.

TTF #554 buggy;
1 Scratched powdercoat on frame.

:flipoff2:

It was great to get drivers out there from different diciplines. This thing is in it's infancy and is only going to get better as teams start to put more effort into the prep, and logistics.

I know my opinion does not count for shit, but as the ALL KNOWING WIZARD, I want to see KOH allow each team to use whatever 4 wheeled means they want, to get through the course. THIS means you can have a desert vehicle waiting for you when you get out of a crawling section, and vice-versa. Logistics would be amazing. Just my superior opinion -- King of Kings of Hammers! haha:D



Put down the crack pipe "O" all knowing wizard, your knowledge has passed over to insanity. Logistics would be butt pain:eek:

im not saying the unlimited rigs should be limited by any means, i just think the guys with maybe not all the doe should be able to compete on reasonably level playing field............just my opinion...........not my sport so my opinion really doesnt matter.........


I like the concept of run what you brung. Most of the low buck guys more than held their own. Shannon got lucky. If he lost that tire in a more secluded area than he'd be out. If they didn't find the U joint cap wiggling out & just happen to find my buddy Andy with a welder right there to tack it back in than he'd be out. This thing is an enduro which lends itself to the guys who build their rigs to wheel the hammers regularly. Richard Gauthier blew a rear drive line on Jack which cost him an hour. Add that hour back to his time & he's right pushing top 3 & he's running a stock jeep straight 6. As it was he finished 7th with his budget built hacked up XJ. I'm of the opinion that the big horse power was a disadvantage for most it the rocks. HP likes to break shit, plain & simple. What the HP gained you in the desert sections was made up for in reliability in the rocks.

Pete,
If you want to run a low buck hammers proven rig in next years race let me know. You can drive my junk, but it's just a hacked XJ as well...

Matt

i told my story as it happened, maybe to enlighten those who plan on running this race next year, maybe i was too harsh on my own effort, the driver is ultimately responsible for everything so i take the blame for my lame effort, it will not happen again. If you are racing this event next year let me remind you of a few things that will make your team more succesful: you must have a tested, reliable, and well prepped rig, you have to have a good navigation system and be well versed in operating it, you must carry a spare tire or put tires in 10 to 15 spots around the track, you must prerun as much as possible if you do not know this area, you must know alternate lines if there are rigs stuck in the preferred line, you need multiple chase/recovery crews with radios, you need crews with the ability to give you split times so you know where you are at on time and how fast you need go if you are trying to win overall, you need tools and a good jack so you can quickly fix your own rig and get right back in the race. if you read my story as me blaming the car owner that is not the case, i blame myself..........i knew what it was going to take to be competative and i didnt bring it!

I think alot of people realized this and some got lucky there were people willing to help. There is more to these types of races then just showing up with a rig. I don't know if you need to prepare to that degree but some form of it yes.


i agree i lost but i NEVER underestimated, i knew the rocks were going to be tough but i had an experienced rock crawler with me and if i couldnt do it we could switch seats and continue

That would have worked but I think your under estimating the time it takes to swap drivers and get rebuckled at each section change. Again that is wasted time.

This thing is an enduro which lends itself to the guys who build their rigs to wheel the hammers regularly. Richard Gauthier blew a rear drive line on Jack which cost him an hour. Add that hour back to his time & he's right pushing top 3 & he's running a stock jeep straight 6. As it was he finished 7th with his budget built hacked up XJ. I'm of the opinion that the big horse power was a disadvantage for most it the rocks. HP likes to break shit, plain & simple. What the HP gained you in the desert sections was made up for in reliability in the rocks.


Maybe, I think that has more to do with rig tunning and being proven. How many locals were in the top ten? If you can keep everything together in the rocks the HP will pay off in the desert. But you guys did a awesome job of what Pete is talking about above. Good support teams.

That would have worked but I think your under estimating the time it takes to swap drivers and get rebuckled at each section change. Again that is wasted time.


I am positive Pete knows exactly how long it takes to get in and buckle up in a race truck. he watchs lance do it every race :laughing::laughing: watch the pirate4x4 TV baja 1000 episode :flipoff2:

I am positive Pete knows exactly how long it takes to get in and buckle up in a race truck. he watchs lance do it every race :laughing::laughing: watch the pirate4x4 TV baja 1000 episode :flipoff2:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

one of my first suggestions to the promotors was to have different classes as you guys do in the other crawling events so yes anyone could win overall but the guys with less "exotic" rigs could still win thier "class".......just a thought.......the guy that got 5th overall had a 4 cylinder and no where near the machine that won the whole thing, he should have won something, imo



I don't know if going that route is the right thing to do, yeah I didn't have nearly the rig that Shannon does and I never will. And also I can be quoted on this, "An F-toy will never win the KOH race, all the stars aligned so that I could even place 6th." I think making classes will some what take away from the event especially with the limited entry cap. Thank you for thinking that I deserve something, but just seeing everyones reaction, and hearing the comments afterward was enough for me.:D

I don't know if going that route is the right thing to do, yeah I didn't have nearly the rig that Shannon does and I never will. And also I can be quoted on this, "An F-toy will never win the KOH race, all the stars aligned so that I could even place 6th." I think making classes will some what take away from the event especially with the limited entry cap. Thank you for thinking that I deserve something, but just seeing everyones reaction, and hearing the comments afterward was enough for me.:D

Brett, you sir are a humble man, that's why you're just plain fawking cool.

One thing is certain...... New course next year as we don't want to see the trails beat to death with pre runners. Likely more miles and a few tougher trails. JV is a pretty big place.:p



A few tougher trails would be a good thing. We only went up 3 trails, Jack, Wrecking Ball, and Big Johnson. Tougher obstacles would seperate the newbies from the experienced crawlers a little more (maybe) and going up more would add to the potential carnage. FOH might be tough to race up, since there's a couple places where it's tight, but Highway 19/20 and Resolution would be fun to race up.

I think the race needs to be about 100 miles, and finish at night. :skull:

I think the race needs to be about 100 miles, and finish at night. :skull:

A night race would be awesome. The darkness would cause all kind of new issues, over loading alternators, outrunning the lights, heavily relying on gps, etc. The logistics would be insane though.

A night race would be awesome. The darkness would cause all kind of new issues, over loading alternators, outrunning the lights, heavily relying on gps, etc. The logistics would be insane though.

The logistics would be child's play. It's a 50 mile (or given my suggestion, a 100 mile race). Try racing a 1,296 mile race for 46 hours straight like team Pirate4x4 did in this years Baja 1000. Now those logistics are insane! :D

I am positive Pete knows exactly how long it takes to get in and buckle up in a race truck. he watchs lance do it every race :laughing::laughing: watch the pirate4x4 TV baja 1000 episode :flipoff2:

No....He knows how long it takes to get Lance out of the car.....

That boy doesn't take a hint! :D

I am bummed nobody likes my idea of multiple vehicles for each team -- have a rock crawler and a desert rig --- you all thought I was on DruGZ!!!!

SOOOOO.... This is my big announcement:

Wicked Gravity Video is proud to announce the 2009:

BAJA DAKAR AREA51 OUTER LIMITS HAMMERFEST!!!

THe event allows you to use as many 4 wheeled vehicles as you want, just the driver and co-driver cannot change. The course is 25,000 miles, long, and YES, it will go into the nitetime -- scared yet??? Nooo??? OK, when you get through the course, you gotta hit a bucket of golf balls and one has to go into the clown's mouth. THEN, and only THEN, the clock stops!!!!!

Whewww... the CAT is out of the BAG!!!! Bring it on.:eek::eek::eek:

WHEN: 2 hours before the 2009 KOH at the same site. (sorry for poaching):eek:

I am bummed nobody likes my idea of multiple vehicles for each team -- have a rock crawler and a desert rig --- you all thought I was on DruGZ!!!!

SOOOOO.... This is my big announcement:

Wicked Gravity Video is proud to announce the 2009:

BAJA DAKAR AREA51 OUTER LIMITS HAMMERFEST!!!

THe event allows you to use as many 4 wheeled vehicles as you want, just the driver and co-driver cannot change. The course is 25,000 miles, long, and YES, it will go into the nitetime -- scared yet??? Nooo??? OK, when you get through the course, you gotta hit a bucket of golf balls and one has to go into the clown's mouth. THEN, and only THEN, the clock stops!!!!!

Whewww... the CAT is out of the BAG!!!! Bring it on.:eek::eek::eek:

WHEN: 2 hours before the 2009 KOH at the same site. (sorry for poaching):eek:

I think it can be done:laughing:

I am bummed nobody likes my idea of multiple vehicles for each team -- have a rock crawler and a desert rig --- you all thought I was on DruGZ!!!!

SOOOOO.... This is my big announcement:

Wicked Gravity Video is proud to announce the 2009:

BAJA DAKAR AREA51 OUTER LIMITS HAMMERFEST!!!

THe event allows you to use as many 4 wheeled vehicles as you want, just the driver and co-driver cannot change. The course is 25,000 miles, long, and YES, it will go into the nitetime -- scared yet??? Nooo??? OK, when you get through the course, you gotta hit a bucket of golf balls and one has to go into the clown's mouth. THEN, and only THEN, the clock stops!!!!!

Whewww... the CAT is out of the BAG!!!! Bring it on.:eek::eek::eek:

WHEN: 2 hours before the 2009 KOH at the same site. (sorry for poaching):eek:



I like it better. I saw a hammer king video of a bunch of rock crawlers that had no buisness desert racing. Get some real desert racers in there.

I like it better. I saw a hammer king video of a bunch of rock crawlers that had no buisness desert racing. Get some real desert racers in there.


Wish I could say the same thing about the desert guys in the rocks, too bad they didn't even get to the rocks:laughing::flipoff2::flipoff2:

lol.... Your racing a fawking "jeep speed" and Your a REAL desert racer..:shaking:

"Yeah man, me and this class 9 were mix'n it up when this 5-1600 car blew by me"... REAL desert guy...:homer:

I'm not bashing your rock crawlers in the rocks. They just didn't do very well in the desert. A desert truck would have been more fun to watch. Not that I got to see much of it anyway.

With some desert trucks in the mix you could add alot more desert to the race. More better.

Good point, good time...BUT The "crawlers" kicked wayyyyyy more ass in the desert THAN the "desert" guys did in the rocks....

I have a couple hundred bucks to ANY Jeep speed XJ that can do this KOH course in less than 7 hrs

I think there was only two desert guys in the event, and they where in barrowed cars. 41 rock crawler and two racers, pretty good odds a rc would win.

We talked about entering the Jeepspeed and got the OK from the promoter, but didn't have time to prep, so we didn't do it.

How come 7 hours, you guys got 10?

Good point, good time...BUT The "crawlers" kicked wayyyyyy more ass in the desert THAN the "desert" guys did in the rocks....


As is to be expected!!!! Now you just have to get up to Bakersfield, there's a job for you. :D

I heard from one of your "top" guys that if you can't finish within 5% of the first place guy, your NOT even in the game.... So I figure that 2 1/2 times the winning time would give Cheapspeed... Sorry JEEPSPEED car a chance..:flipoff2:

How come 7 hours, you guys got 10?

I could be wrong, but I don't think any of the finishers used nearly the whole 10

here is my point... I can take my 4x4 4door tacoma over ANYTHING you race on (not as fast, true) but I CAN "drive" baja.. I can take it on a CORR track, Hell, I can do DAKAR... BUT THERE IS A SNOWBALLS CHANCE IN HELL that ANY "desert" rig would even make it up one hammers trail, much less 7. You tell me who "rigs" are truely more well rounded...

lol.... Your racing a fawking "jeep speed" and Your a REAL desert racer..:shaking:

"Yeah man, me and this class 9 were mix'n it up when this 5-1600 car blew by me"... REAL desert guy...:homer:

Bender - its been a while, hope things are good man.

By the way though... it's the same fawking REAL desert. You should understand by now you're racing the desert, not the other cars. I've raced both TT and Jeepspeed. Rob Mac has Championships in both TT and 1600, still races both. Is he not a REAL racer when he's in the slower buggy?

OR, might it actually take more skill to finish in the limited buggy or Jeepspeed?

Regardless, I'm not sure if the arguments about the desert racers or the desert vehicles - seems to have jumped between both.



Oh...I almost forgot about that former Jeepspeed Champion Casey Currie coming in 2nd.

Bottom line is good drivers are good drivers - period.

WUUZZZZN UP my BRUTHA!!!! Damn, long time no see.

I am in no way bashing "Racers" I guess the FACT that "us" crawlers were not given our fair share of "racing" credit. All this "talk" of how Ol "pistola was gonna wax our ass's and how the "Desert" guys would show the "crawlers" a thing or 12...

It's NOT what you drive, it's how you drive it! plain and simple...(your right)

Now Since it seems like my post sounds SLIGHTLY like a "backpedal" I gotta toss this last thing in just so I don't lose my "your a dick" rep..

If you gotta have "special" rules not to bump... Are you really in a race car?:flipoff2::flipoff2:

I know, i know.. Your still "race'n"... Shit If thats the case My 50 pit bike makes me the king of "racers" cause I race the shit outta that thing around the shop...:evil:

Now Since it seems like my post sounds SLIGHTLY like a "backpedal" I gotta toss this last thing in just so I don't lose my "your a dick" rep..

If you gotta have "special" rules not to bump... Are you really in a race car?:flipoff2::flipoff2:


It's actually not a rule, it's more of a courtesy among racer's. It's there to keep you from having to replace the entire side of a full bodied car after every race.

Now since I dont want to lose my "nice guy of the year" award, I will end with a compliment.

I respect you as a fabricator and with a few more years of practice I think your welding skills will catch up.
:flipoff2::flipoff2:

Off to T.D.S., get back to work.

Eric Filar

{quote}

It's NOT what you drive, it's how you drive it! plain and simple...(your right)


im going to have to disagree a little on this one, you must have the proper equipment AND the ability to push it to the limit to win the KOH, my (driving) ability or lack of it had absolutely nothing to do the outcome of my KOH effort................

Bender Bender Bender... Don't go bagging on the Jeepspeeds... I've "blown" by more 5/1600's than probably any other class in our "wannabe" desert racer. I GUARANTEE your ass would PUCKER in Terminator with myself or Camo behind the wheel. Just ask Fred Williams or Robin Stover. :D

Bender Bender Bender... Don't go bagging on the Jeepspeeds... I've "blown" by more 5/1600's than probably any other class in our "wannabe" desert racer. I GUARANTEE your ass would PUCKER in Terminator with myself or Camo behind the wheel. Just ask Fred Williams or Robin Stover. :D



Game On! :grinpimp:

Fat, I got me sum mad skiz work'n at that btf.. Dem southern guys showd me how tew weld things up rigwt an proper...:flipoff2:

Lance, Lance, Lance... Camo scares me just to look at him.. but scare me in a car.... PPPPPPPAAAAAAALLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZEEEEEEE... Ask him a bout scared.. "we gotta drive off that shit!!" (Camo qoute to me from Surprise Cyn. AFTER all his Desert Race'n years)....:flipoff2:

a Raced my fair share of desert.. 9, 5-1600, 7s, 7, 10, 1 What ?

Who was the only Team out there with A class 1 car as pit support?? Oh yeah, Us!!!...lol Fu2 and 4wheelparts..:flipoff2:

Yeah it was just a "prerunner" but the 115MPH night runs up the wash sure were fun....:D

Pissed Ola'.. Free car, Free Ride = Don't bad mouth car....IMHO:flipoff2::D

I'm getting a kick out of all of this talk of "more desert, more desert" and "your rockcrawling rigs sucked in the fast stuff".

You can go watch all kinds of desert races, lots of races, lots of coverage, and it's been going on for many, many years. KOH is the only place you can go watch rigs race up miles and miles of rockcrawling canyons. Not short 1/3 mile loops, but miles and miles of pure rocks. I may be wrong, but I think the sport is ready for that.......not just more desert racing. Is it more exciting to watch Casey run down the SCORE road, or watch Shannon take crazy lines to pass people in the canyons?

BTW, as far as difficulty in the rocks, we only went up 3 canyons, and we took the easiest lines. There's plenty of harder stuff out there if you'd really like to see how the desert rigs and drivers will do in the rocks.

Rocks, baby, rocks, we want more rocks! :flipoff2:

Fat, I got me sum mad skiz work'n at that btf.. Dem southern guys showd me how tew weld things up rigwt an proper...:flipoff2:

Lance, Lance, Lance... Camo scares me just to look at him.. but scare me in a car.... PPPPPPPAAAAAAALLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZEEEEEEE... Ask him a bout scared.. "we gotta drive off that shit!!" (Camo qoute to me from Surprise Cyn. AFTER all his Desert Race'n years)....:flipoff2:

a Raced my fair share of desert.. 9, 5-1600, 7s, 7, 10, 1 What ?

Who was the only Team out there with A class 1 car as pit support?? Oh yeah, Us!!!...lol Fu2 and 4wheelparts..:flipoff2:

Yeah it was just a "prerunner" but the 115MPH night runs up the wash sure were fun....:D

Pissed Ola'.. Free car, Free Ride = Don't bad mouth car....IMHO:flipoff2::D

wasnt free............oh now u understand.............

Fat, I got me sum mad skiz work'n at that btf.. Dem southern guys showd me how tew weld things up rigwt an proper...:flipoff2:

Lance, Lance, Lance... Camo scares me just to look at him.. but scare me in a car.... PPPPPPPAAAAAAALLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZEEEEEEE... Ask him a bout scared.. "we gotta drive off that shit!!" (Camo qoute to me from Surprise Cyn. AFTER all his Desert Race'n years)....:flipoff2:

a Raced my fair share of desert.. 9, 5-1600, 7s, 7, 10, 1 What ?

Who was the only Team out there with A class 1 car as pit support?? Oh yeah, Us!!!...lol Fu2 and 4wheelparts..:flipoff2:

Yeah it was just a "prerunner" but the 115MPH night runs up the wash sure were fun....:D

Pissed Ola'.. Free car, Free Ride = Don't bad mouth car....IMHO:flipoff2::D

Bender,

I'm sure you guys are excited with your finish and still 'riding high'. And you should be! Great result. I just hope the desert racers have a short memory for next years KOH if they need to pass you. :D

Bring it Beyyyootchhhes.... I LOVE a rough pass..
My car next year KOH car WILL destroy a Jeep speed in the Desert!!!! Yeah, I said DESERT.. Bring on the Whoops.....The bigger the better.:evil:

Pisted Ola', I godda give ya props.. After all the Hazin your still hangin in there.. For that, You got the two fingers up from me:flipoff2:
It will be my pleasure to pass you IN THE DESERT next year...lol

Seriously, welcome to our madness :bender:

I love all the Pistol Pete stuff and I can tell you sir, you are a humble guy to put up with all this BS.

Like Bender said, welcome to the madness!

[QUOTE=Roc Doc;7940733]How come you left out the part where Eddie backed into Easy Rick's 554? :laughing:

Score;

Harbor Freight Pre-Runner;
1 Smashed exhaust pipe.
1 Skuffed fender.

TTF #554 buggy;
1 Scratched powdercoat on frame.

thanks for bringing that up!!!!:flipoff2:ha,ha

eddie is a great guy and a huge asset to my team but im in agreement he should not be driving anything with a motor...........the only time i let him drive all weekend and he crashes in 10 seconds........................:D

I don't want to see classes myself, I thought that KOH was just what it needed to be. Bring what you got and show me what you can do. Luck does have something to do with how well you do in this sort of race IMO. What you break, where you break, or if you break all play a big part. Prep and game plan have plenty to do with it as well so what your top speed is of your rig is less important, but all within reason. So many of the rock buggies were so slow in the desert sections that the F-toy's were more than compeditive so there went the HP factor but there were some that had plenty of power and had the shock settings so it came back to luck and planning. I think the event was great and until you can't get all the spots filled or there is a clear need for change I say don't screw with it!

eddie is a great guy and a huge asset to my team but im in agreement he should not be driving anything with a motor...........the only time i let him drive all weekend and he crashes in 10 seconds........................:D

I wasn't going to say anything because he seemed so afraid that Someone "was going to kill him!":laughing:

But now that its out of the bag..........

He actually hit it twice!:laughing: He hit it, stopped, then throttled it up again!:homer:

It was unbelievable.:flipoff2:

:laughing:
Easy.

[QUOTE=Roc Doc;7940733]How come you left out the part where Eddie backed into Easy Rick's 554? :laughing:

Score;

Harbor Freight Pre-Runner;
1 Smashed exhaust pipe.
1 Skuffed fender.

TTF #554 buggy;
1 Scratched powdercoat on frame.

thanks for bringing that up!!!!:flipoff2:ha,ha

What about losing a fuel jug coming back to pits......

ya one of the jugs was dry rotted and broke!!!!
that loosend them all up and you know what happend next!!!

ya one of the jugs was dry rotted and broke!!!!
that loosend them all up and you know what happend next!!!


FAST EDDIE.... my brother from a different mother :D:laughing::laughing:

Wish I could come to San Felipe :( but I will be in Baja for the 1000, come hell or highwater :D

ya one of the jugs was dry rotted and broke!!!!
that loosend them all up and you know what happend next!!!

:laughing:

That jug was brand new like 7 years ago.......

FAST EDDIE.... my brother from a different mother :D:laughing::laughing:

Wish I could come to San Felipe :( but I will be in Baja for the 1000, come hell or highwater :D

that bite's!!! going to miss ya!!!!

FAST EDDIE.... my brother from a different mother :D:laughing::laughing:

Wish I could come to San Felipe :( but I will be in Baja for the 1000, come hell or highwater :D

now we have a problem rich, eddie and I came out and supported the rock event now you need to reciprocate!!!!! see you in san felipe next week..............

now we have a problem rich, eddie and I came out and supported the rock event now you need to reciprocate!!!!! see you in san felipe next week..............


:laughing::laughing: yeah your right, I am still working on trying to be there, but the stars need to be aligned just right for it to work....

Needing to be in Moab on the next monday makes it really hard when the race is on Sat...:(

Big

Can you still get "security services" on such short notice?:grinpimp:

Haven't seen much on Baja lately, race entries up or down for the San Felipe race?

Can you still get "security services" on such short notice?:grinpimp:


I am the security :laughing::laughing:

:laughing::laughing: yeah your right, I am still working on trying to be there, but the stars need to be aligned just right for it to work....

Needing to be in Moab on the next monday makes it really hard when the race is on Sat...:(

Big
well big brother I'll tell you like you told me "dont try
just be there" "never try anything just do it":D