unless it's not as bad/strict as it sounds.


Sounds to me like everything has to be store bought and barely modded.

Sooo if I wanted to build my own link system on the front... retaining all the factory axle mounts would it be illegal? Basically just a radius arm arrangement w/ long arms that mount level at ride height. staying w/ in the 10" travel rule etc.

then I read bumpers need to be from certain mfg's? wheels can only be stock or AR? stuff like that...

I'm guessing it's all real because I read it on their site. Not trying to say it shouldn't be like that... just clarifying to make a decision.

Yes very strict rules, and they change as needed to limit any one from an advantage. It is the best grass roots racing out there and has been a hell of an education. Michelle is the bomb and makes sure you had fun after each race. Thats the rub, its tight on rules but hella fun.

so just to clarify. I couldn't build my own long arm kit.... (or can you even have a long arm kit?) but a kit from someone who they have listed is allowed. Basically all bolt on stuff, but beef up whatever you want?

I get the impression its so anyone can be competitive, just my .02

so just to clarify. I couldn't build my own long arm kit.... (or can you even have a long arm kit?) but a kit from someone who they have listed is allowed. Basically all bolt on stuff, but beef up whatever you want?


No you can not build your own. We are running an off the shelf RE long arm LJ kit. It is un modified and works fine.

ok thanks

go 3700 then the suspension is open, and you can make what ever you want

I just picked up a cherokee that I supposedly paid for 5 years ago or something in labor. lol

I was thinking if I could pretty much build a 1/2 ass racer for a few suspension components and the cost of metal it would be fun. after reading all day it looks like it's quite a bit more invovled on the monetary side than I can justify.

anyone want a jeep? :D haha I'm probably going to build a cheapspeed (my own class of showing up and looking cool but not racing) out of it. I have some nice 33" mudders... it alreay has lift...I do a welded rear.. long arm front... bumpers cage and SOLD ;)

Aren't motor mods pretty open? I saw some threads a while back about guys running 4.7L strokers and that turned me away... basically it got real expenisive real fast.

The enginea are limited also. They are limited to 250cc (4.0 bored .060) Internals are open. Limited to 62 mm throttle body. Alluminum heads are not allowed. Strokers are not allowed in 1700. It's the most affordable way to start racing.

yea... it's pretty much like I could run the rig the way it is and be competitive. that's a great deal for a lot of people. run whatcha brung and if you don't make it at least you laughed the whole way

JeepSpeed is open to changes as well, if there is a readily available suspension out there that you want to run, call Clive, it is a simple process to get it approved.

yea that's all well and good but I'd want to build all my own stuff. I can't stomach spending $$$ on something I can make out of scrap.

yea that's all well and good but I'd want to build all my own stuff. I can't stomach spending $$$ on something I can make out of scrap.


so as a shop offer a kit to the public. presto you are now running a comercially available suspension.

and FYI... I think prefer the way the short arm kits handle over the long arm kits. You need to check out a competitive jeepspeed before you go making grand plans. there is a pretty well tested and proven built technique to them.

as far as mods go there is a ton of mod work that goes into a JS.

Aren't motor mods pretty open? I saw some threads a while back about guys running 4.7L strokers and that turned me away... basically it got real expenisive real fast.

your dumb... you don't need a stroker to go fast in JS, besides being against the rules the fact is that a JS with a stock motor goes faster then the suspension can handle. you could spend 50k on a trick motor and it aint gonna win you a single race. that is why the motor rules are lax.

so as a shop offer a kit to the public. presto you are now running a comercially available suspension.

and FYI... I think prefer the way the short arm kits handle over the long arm kits. You need to check out a competitive jeepspeed before you go making grand plans. there is a pretty well tested and proven built technique to them.

as far as mods go there is a ton of mod work that goes into a JS.

yea... after reading all the build threads it looks too involved. I'd rather do an in depth build for a class where I'd have excellent resale after...

I just had someone offer $1500 right now. that's a 200% profit. I like profit... profit = more turbos :D

yea... after reading all the build threads it looks too involved. I'd rather do an in depth build for a class where I'd have excellent resale after...

I just had someone offer $1500 right now. that's a 200% profit. I like profit... profit = more turbos :D

you dumb jew. not a race car class in existence that has a profitable resale value.

even with doing all the fab work yourself you will spend 20 to 25k on a competitive jeepspeed build

you dumb jew. not a race car class in existence that has a profitable resale value.

even with doing all the fab work yourself you will spend 20 to 25k on a competitive jeepspeed build

there's always a margin... it's about pouncing on it when it least expects :D
hell I haven't not made good return on every build I've ever sold. ;)

You sure you're not just one of those rock crawler guys who's afraid to go fast through the bumps?

The only thing you have to purchase to be jeepspeed rule compliant are front susp links and safety items (run the stock wheels they are legal). Everything else can be built out of 'scrap'. The truck with the most championships on it has the "short arm" kit using the stock pivot points....that will only cost you a couple hundred bucks.

You sure you're not just one of those rock crawler guys who's afraid to go fast through the bumps?

The only thing you have to purchase to be jeepspeed rule compliant are front susp links and safety items (run the stock wheels they are legal). Everything else can be built out of 'scrap'. The truck with the most championships on it has the "short arm" kit using the stock pivot points....that will only cost you a couple hundred bucks.

yea I'm scared to go fast... click my sillyneck myspace and see what I'm scared of LOL :D

the jeep - it has a lot of stuff I'd reuse as per the rules... I'd just rather do things my own way. It's not gonna happen anymore... it might be gone as soon as tomorrow :)

yea I'm scared to go fast... click my sillyneck myspace and see what I'm scared of LOL :D



haha, touché...cool vids amigo.

haha, touché...cool vids amigo.

haha thanks

I have 2 problems w/ desert racing.

1)since my business is to take crap... make it cool... pay the bills.. I can't destroy my investments.

2)it's a team sport. I'm a solo act.... I can't imagine what it takes to put together a group of people as dedicated to something as me. I couldn't ever make it happen w/ the street bike thing. The rest of the team was always garbage and I'd end I'd up pulling the weight.

My idea w/ jeepspeed was to make suspension work w/ in the parameters of what I know works on the cheap. Beef up what I break in testing... then go out there and have a good time. if I destroy it... no big deal.. short money/labor gone.


I'd be better on a bike anyways. however I'd die

I'd be better on a bike anyways. however I'd die

haha, yea that always seems like the trade off...i'm mostly just good at crashing on bikes...thankfully in a cage I seem to avoid the destruction (knocks on wood) and I figure my ass is probably ok if I did run out of talent somewhere.

I hear ya about the solo act deal, its something I have to work at too, but it is a necessity to have an affective dezert racing program...but its a great sport and a lot of the people involved in it are quality people. You'll always end up pulling a lot of weight, but thats just anything.

as for problem number one....isn't that just the best part...to make something so badass that you can beat the hell out of it and its still cool :D

your dumb... you don't need a stroker to go fast in JS, besides being against the rules the fact is that a JS with a stock motor goes faster then the suspension can handle. you could spend 50k on a trick motor and it aint gonna win you a single race. that is why the motor rules are lax.


You're dumb too. Work on yer grammar. :flipoff2: I don't race JS so I do not know that an XJ can't handle the stock motor that's in it (another jeep thing I do not understand). This is something that would come with experience racing JS. The closest thing I have come to racing is tearing up the Sonoran Desert with my Toy but 38" SX's don't provide a lot of traction on loose desert dirt and sand. I'm still gettin it though. :mr-t:


Seriously though, you are telling me that even with by-passes and air-bumps (if they are allowed) the motor is too much for that suspension after race-prepping it?

Jeepspeed is a very doable class on the cheap. Pit support is the biggest issue, but there are pit clubs (BFG, FAIR, Pork Pits ect) that will fuel you up and change tires for you, or hook up with a team, a couple cases of beer and some instructions on what to check at each stop and you're in buisness. I've been heavily considering building an XJ, but I really want a 2-1600 so I can't really justify throwing money at a Jeep that I'll probably race once and then sell.

Seriously though, you are telling me that even with by-passes and air-bumps (if they are allowed) the motor is too much for that suspension after race-prepping it?


That's what he is saying and I agree with him. You can go plenty fast with a stock motor. 10" of front travel with air bumps and triple bypass kings is still 10" of travel. Add 33" tires with the short sidewall forcing you to run 30+ lbs of air and you now have a very limited class. You do not need a built motor to win in jeepspeed. We have a 100,000 mile motor with some mild porting and polishing, some painless wiring, and Harland Sharp roller rockers. Our knocks and rattles like no other and we still win races.

That's what he is saying and I agree with him. You can go plenty fast with a stock motor. 10" of front travel with air bumps and triple bypass kings is still 10" of travel. Add 33" tires with the short sidewall forcing you to run 30+ lbs of air and you now have a very limited class. You do not need a built motor to win in jeepspeed. We have a 100,000 mile motor with some mild porting and polishing, some painless wiring, and Harland Sharp roller rockers. Our knocks and rattles like no other and we still win races.


damn right... a loose motor is a proven motor :D

"think it'll make it to the end of baja?"

"f-ck yea.. a teenage girl put 50k on this thing before we got it" :D

and that turned me away... basically it got real expenisive real fast.

yer dumb for deciding not to race a JS because you assumed you needed an expensive race motor :shaking::shaking: have you ever even been to a JS race ?

yer dumb for deciding not to race a JS because you assumed you needed an expensive race motor :shaking::shaking: have you ever even been to a JS race ?


Yer dumb for thinking you know me. And my dad can beat your dad up.

I have never been to a JS race. I don't know much about desert racing except for the fact that once I get some throw-away money I want to give it a shot. I was thinking class 7 but jeepspeed sounds more like something I can do.

I don't think it is dumb for assuming you need a good motor to race. In almost all other aspects of racing, a fast motor is an integral part of the package. Learning that I don't have to worry about warming up the motor to go out and desert race is awesome. I already have the bumps and half of the shocks so I am closer to making this happen than I thought.

Camo, I am sorry I didn't research this to death and interview a few JS racers before making my comment. Next time I will inquire on something, I will make sure I am an expert in the field so you don't call me dumb. At least I wasn't the dumb jew though.


Anyways, I was on the site looking at 1700 and 3700. What are the main differences? It apears 1700 is mostly stock and 3700 is a bit more open but there are still a number of restrictions.

Other than the silt beds, is it better to run 2wd or 4wd? I'd assume they would have to weigh the same so 4wd seems like the way to go... except for dealing with the unsprung weight and shock valving to compensate.

And lastly, can you huck a jeep like the Alloy USA 1790 jeep and have it survive without major repairs? Pic below for reference:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/dezertf150/orng3.jpg



Bring on the DUMB!

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yea how was the outcome of that infamous jump! it's flying nice and flat.. i like it :)

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Not true. The motor mount bolts on the left side broke. Other than that everything was fine. We've since put the M.O.R.E mounts on that have more mounting bolts. The car has seen alot more air since, with no problems. Just because they are unibodies, dosn't mean they can't be built to hold together.

Yer dumb for thinking you know me. !

never said nor do I think I know you. I simply think you are dumb for turning away from going jeepspeed racing because you assumed something instead of looking into it. I only know what you post, my comment was based off that