will be won by a jeep speed 3700 class

will be won by a jeep speed 3700 class

only if Shannon is driving it

Placing bet's on Jon Krell are we?

will be won by a jeep speed 3700 class


I've got a $100.00 that says B.S. :smokin:

Add 30-50 more miles of nasty mdr course and I would say maybe.

Add 30-50 more miles of nasty mdr course and I would say maybe.

I don't know, I've driven most of all the courses down there, and they are smoother than all but one of the Northern Nevada courses that VORRA runs...

The Hammers trails would kill the XJ's or jeeps with anything smaller than a 60, think weight to axle size, especially going fast enough to win...

What does Knolls 3700 rig weigh in at ?

I don't know, I've driven most of all the courses down there, and they are smoother than all but one of the Northern Nevada courses that VORRA runs...

The Hammers trails would kill the XJ's or jeeps with anything smaller than a 60, think weight to axle size, especially going fast enough to win...


Don't know about the Vorra courses, what I meant was long good whoop sections, not cruising 50 miles of lakebed, where everyone can pin it.

a hp 44 front and a 9" rear would likely hold up fine to the Hammers trails if driven right.

More length in the whoops and the prerunners will have a shot at the overall. There is not enough distance to really make up time lost in rocks in the prerun sections as it was.

what I meant was long good whoop sections, not cruising 50 miles of lakebed, where everyone can pin it.

a hp 44 front and a 9" rear would likely hold up fine to the Hammers trails if driven right.

More length in the whoops and the prerunners will have a shot at the overall. There is not enough distance to really make up time lost in rocks in the prerun sections as it was.

I see, OK.... :laughing: but if we add backdoor and resolution :eek: :D

not a chance:flipoff2:

Haha Tracy and i crawled backdoor and all i have is a 44 toyota hybrid. It does have ctms and chromoly axles and my buggy only ways 2700lbs. If you can drive i dont think you have to have 60's to do well. Look at drew in the ultimate jeep and the formula toys.

What does Knolls 3700 rig weigh in at ?


Dust Junkies TJ is a 1700 class Jeep speed. Weights are in a thread here somewhere.

Wayne

I've got a $100.00 that says B.S. :smokin:


im in.
im only betting you though

Dust Junkies 1706 car weighs about 4500 without the drivers.

I doubt like hell that it could even finish this race with out total destruction.

It has CTM 300M axle shafts and CTM U joints but with out an after market transfer case and all the rear over hang it would not be worth a crap.

HP 44 and rear 9 but I think the front R&P would be done at the first rock pile.
Its just not built for this style of racing. You can not see anything except 30 feet in front of the car in a mostly straight line. You need at least 37" tires and It would just break hell out of the drivetrain IMHO. Lets not forget the axle trusses hanging down and grabing every rock.


Teeny Car might stand a chance.:flipoff2: That car is bad ass.

Krell's car is way too pretty to race this race. It would ruin it.

what car is teeny car?

im in.
im only betting you though


DONE....:smokin:

Just remind me, my memory is is going :laughing::laughing:

what car is teeny car?


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/TeenyCAR/YJ%20Wrangler/Picture030-2.jpg


Not sure if he still owns it, but I really liked it.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/TeenyCAR/YJ%20Wrangler/Picture030-2.jpg


Not sure if he still owns it, but I really liked it.


Is there a build thread on that jeep?

Is there a build thread on that jeep?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=495084

Ok well i was down there for a chase rig. Finally got my shocks valved right so i could use the gas pedal with out bouncing all over the desert. 2700lbs v6 built toyota axles, turbo 350 with kevlar clutches and manual valve body and built 300 t-case. I was running along side of some of the race course passing some race buggys. I know i wouldnt really have a chance of winning but its just a cheaper version of the rig i was chasing for so i think i could give alot of rigs a run for there money.
http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/2/27/f_koh034m_ccbe6e9.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/2/27/f_koh034m_ccbe6e9.jpg&srv=img33)

a hp 44 front and a 9" rear would likely hold up fine to the Hammers trails if driven right.

Driven right and driving like your racing are two different things in my opinion. I dont think a 44 would stand a chance gunning for 1st place. Even Drew (the only 44 in the race i believe) agreed.


More length in the whoops and the prerunners will have a shot at the overall. There is not enough distance to really make up time lost in rocks in the prerun sections as it was.

I agree that there would have to be a lot more desert for the desert section to influence placing at all. At least 50 miles more desert. Even poorly setup rockcrawlers barely fell behind well setup ones in the short 17 mile desert section. But for a true prerunner to have contention, i think there would have to be at least 100 miles of desert, but then again thats if they even survive the rocks.
I say add 50 miles of desert and that will at least seperate those who care to invest time in suspension. And invite all the Jeepspeeds that want to flog there rig.

Ian-

Driven right and driving like your racing are two different things in my opinion. I dont think a 44 would stand a chance gunning for 1st place. Even Drew (the only 44 in the race i believe) agreed.


don't forget Dustin (you know with the broken 44 :flipoff2:)

You may be right. I would hate to have a cast iron 60 in front with go fast suspension. Even a 609 has some pretty heavy outers. Maybe Currie Al knuckles on a 609?



I agree that there would have to be a lot more desert for the desert section to influence placing at all. At least 50 miles more desert. Even poorly setup rockcrawlers barely fell behind well setup ones in the short 17 mile desert section. But for a true prerunner to have contention, i think there would have to be at least 100 miles of desert, but then again thats if they even survive the rocks.
I say add 50 miles of desert and that will at least seperate those who care to invest time in suspension. And invite all the Jeepspeeds that want to flog there rig.

Ian-

Drew, JR and I discussed that early on and we kind of figured that was how it was going to be. That being said, Drew had to give it a go to see if it would actually work out that way. The time difference between 40 mph and 60mph in 5 miles of rough whoops is under 2 min. That is nothing when you see how fast JR and Shannon spanked the rock sections.

I feel strongly that next year the winning vehicles will be to the level of spanking this years course in two and a half hours.

1st place Currie 609 with Aluminum knuckles

2nd place Currie Rock Jock 60 with Aluminum knuckles

I'm not saying that either one of these vehicles were killing it on the desert sections, but I'm in 100% with the lower unsprung weight theory. All iron 60's stand little chance against a front end like the ones on Campbells rigs.

I think that as long as the majority of the course is rocks, you are going to see lighter rigs such as the "moon buggy" types in the forefront. If I were to build a KOH race specific vehicle, I think that Shannon pretty much nailed it. The only thing I would do different is spend some more weight on suspension with coil-overs & airbumps (Not sure if he had these.)

My personal opinion is that building a heavy rig with "bullet proof axles" and absurd amounts of horsepower is really entertaining but will not be a consitant winner due to breakage.

This does not mean that I would not enter the Randy Ellis Jeep if given the chance! :D I just think that it would be tough to keep it together in the rocks and maintain a similar pace as the lighter rigs.

I would love to see how the old RED rig would fare in a KOH. Seems like it was a KOH rig 10 years before there was KOH:D

The only thing I would do different is spend some more weight on suspension with coil-overs & airbumps (Not sure if he had these.)

My personal opinion is that building a heavy rig with "bullet proof axles" and absurd amounts of horsepower is really entertaining but will not be a consitant winner due to breakage.

No, i think he had a prime setup. How can you argue with 3.0 bypass air shocks?

The 609s have to be the way to go. I'm excited to see the progression that i know this event will push. Lighter axles, more focus on suspension.

No, i think he had a prime setup. How can you argue with 3.0 bypass air shocks?

They were 2.5's and considering the video I have seen (Pirate TV and others) there is a lot of room for improvement in the desert sections. Yes he allegedly hit 100 on the lakebed (smooth) and he spanked the rocks. In the whoops he could have been better.

Cars 001 and 1 are the only ones that look reasonably sorted in the video I have seen. And the driver of car 1 said that some of the stuff was too big for him....Bold considering.

They were 2.5's and considering the video I have seen (Pirate TV and others) there is a lot of room for improvement in the desert sections. Yes he allegedly hit 100 on the lakebed (smooth) and he spanked the rocks. In the whoops he could have been better.

Cars 001 and 1 are the only ones that look reasonably sorted in the video I have seen. And the driver of car 1 said that some of the stuff was too big for him....Bold considering.

I talked to Shannon about running across the first lake bed after the big sandy downhill. I asked why it sounded like he was holding it in 2nd, and he said cause when he shifts to 3rd he'll be hitting over 80 and that he can really feel it. So I would assume he was going nearly 80, with how he was on and off the gas. LJ, Jeff Knoll's jeepspeed pit guru, was there with me and we both were wondering why he wasnt just staying in it.

That being said, I dont see how he wouldve gotten anywhere near 100, unless he decided to open it up on a different section, but as far as I know, that was the flattest, fastest section.

As for the shocks. They didnt look at all like they were dialed in to go fast, I completely agree with Frank on that. Im sure more tuning would have helped it run smoother across the rough, and I wonder how much time was actually spent dialing them in for the go fast sections.

You may be right. I would hate to have a cast iron 60 in front with go fast suspension. Even a 609 has some pretty heavy outers. Maybe Currie Al knuckles on a 609?


Drew, JR and I discussed that early on and we kind of figured that was how it was going to be. That being said, Drew had to give it a go to see if it would actually work out that way. The time difference between 40 mph and 60mph in 5 miles of rough whoops is under 2 min. That is nothing when you see how fast JR and Shannon spanked the rock sections.



The advantage in this race is definitely in the rocks, which I think it should be. It is a rockcrawling marathon. Out of curiosity, I campared Drew's times to ours, since we passed each other numerous times in the first half of the race and both were stuck on Jackhammer with broken drivelines for about the same length of time. He beat us by 15 min in the fast sections, and we beat him by 45 min in the rocks.

Also out of curiosity, I compared our times to Shannons. He beat us by 16 min in the fast stuff, and by 73 min in the rocks, but if I subtract 50 min that we were broke on Jack (actually 60 min), then he beat us by 23 min in the rocks. Still more advantage in the rocks than in the desert.

No, i think he had a prime setup. How can you argue with 3.0 bypass air shocks?

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Watch the vid of his start - wicked acceleration squat!

Yes he allegedly hit 100 on the lakebed (smooth) and he spanked the rocks. In the whoops he could have been better.

After Thursdays practise run he told us that he hit 93mph on the lake bed and that was about as fast as he wanted to go.

After Thursdays practise run he told us that he hit 93mph on the lake bed and that was about as fast as he wanted to go.

Car 001 said they got 93 mph on thier GPS.

I agree that from the little video I saw he and Goat's rigs looked really strong in the whoops.