Hey who can tell me what the engine camee out of for this rig. I was told it is a 1.8L 160hp and the stock tranny and T-case with a zuk divorce case behind it. Any info would be great. I am an EB guy but want to built just a deticated crawler and the weight and price of this type of rig is just what I am looking for. Thanks for the help!

That is mike shaffers rig that lance spots for. I think it is a suzuki swift motor i think with a traker tranny and tcase to the sammi case I think.

Matt

I think it is a 1.8L out of a newer Sidekick.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45275&highlight=1.8l

Look into the 1.6 16V too. It is easier and with the 6:1 tcase gears and some 5.29 diffs, you can get some serious crawl with only one box (120:1). Remeber, these thing weigh 1/2 what an EB does.

Thanks for the info guys! Yes I know about the weight difference and that is why I want to build one for the full on rock rig, I can built it all my self with out any problem and since I would be running 130+hp I can run d44's not the $$ for d60's and still hold up to all the abouse. What year would I be looking for in a 16v 1.6L and were can I find more info on the fuel injection and mods for this type of engine? I am planning on around 102" WB and waggy with axels but in a Terra D50 front and rear steer, ARB's and steering breaks. What is your input?

I thought it was a 1.8L out of a Esteem.:)

For the 1.6 16V in a std setup, you sent the wiring harnes from the Tracker/SideKick to TrailTough, get an adaptor for mounting to the Sammi transmission, plug in a few plugs, turns a few bolts and go play. You use the EFI and computer off the track/kick.

Pretty much all the info you need can be found searching this forum.

Sounds like a sweet setup you are considering. You might want to look at Toy axles too. There are a TON of posts on the pro's and con's of each in here. I run an FJ80 High Pinion front w/ elocker and a Tacoma rear cut down 3" on pass side.

One of the great things about sammi's is that other people's trash becomes your treasure. :D

Jim

Well I have done some serch's on d44 vs toy axels and I like the d44, Also I have been running them for years in my EB's.

As far as the mtr serch it seems to me that the 1.6 (8vor16v) or the 1.8 16v is the way to go for me. My next question is they were talking alot about using a 2wd trany, is this due to the sami t-case being divorced? What if I were to run the 96 and up 1.8 from a sidekick with the married t-case and then to a sami divorce? I love to crawl and this is being built just for that reason (and to keep the EBin nice shape). The next ? is how good are the autos in the sidekicks? Do they have extrem angle problems or weakness's I want to stay away from? Is the stock 5spd in the sidekick a strong set up? What are your thoughts?

well the issues with samurai t-cases is that you can get t-case gears in a 4.16 4.89 5.8 6.0 and 6.1 low range gear reduction ratio. dual cases are unecessary. you can get the basic gear kits for under 1000$. the 1.6 is going to be easier to install. i have heard no problems with extreme angles and the auto trannies. if i were you, get the 1.8 2wd engine and tranny and slap a sammy t-case divorced and you are off to the races!! go for the d-44s and some ctm/allow combo in the front!! :D

Spenc- Thanks for the reply, This is on the path to what I had in mind. As far as the single T-case would that get me low enough for hard crawling with 37"+ tire size? Also I am going front and rear steer and this is new ground for me just as the rear steer is involved. What has to be done to put a front d44 in the rear ( will change the diff location ) as far as rotation ans alike. Also do you know what the gear ratio in first is in the autos?

Also keep in mind that it will be a buggy so the drive train lenght is not a concern if I were to go with 2 T-cases. I just don't want to get done and not be low enough. Right now in my EB I am 118-1 and that is with 450hp and it crawls great.

Just do the two cases then. Sidekick engine, transmission, and tcase to a zuk case with 4:1 gears. This should get you to around 150:1 with 5.x R&P gears.

On the Auto 1st ratio, look here:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53180&highlight=ratio+auto

If your building a buggy I would skip the zuk tranny and tcs and put a toy tranny and dual tcs behind your 1.6. Youll have all the gears youll ever need and it will be bulletproof bhind a 1.6.

Originally posted by scwafish
If your building a buggy I would skip the zuk tranny and tcs and put a toy tranny and dual tcs behind your 1.6. Youll have all the gears youll ever need and it will be bulletproof bhind a 1.6.


225:1 and good luck breaking it with a 1.6.

The specs on the Esteem 1.8 and Sidekick 1.8 look to be pretty indentical, from what I found poking around a little.

One thing to note is that you will be pretty much on your own for dealing with the OBD II wiring though. Last time I asked anyway, TT wasn't doing them.

The yota setup would definitely be sweet. I'd probably be more inclined to go that way. Adapters for 1.6 to yota are available.

Mike Shaffers rig is a 99 side kick with a stock 1.8 (160hp)with stock 5 spd tranny and married t-case and a sammi t-case behind it giving it a 172.1 crawl ratio. He uses d44 diffs with 5:38 gears and 37's.

I used a EB front end for my rear steering and it works great.

rokcrln

Please contact me. Not all of the info is correct here.
Your PM box is full BTW

Tara

Originally posted by Scout Dude

Yeah, I think your right...I remember hearing this somewhere.

Yepp

Originally posted by Rocksie
rokcrln

Please contact me. Not all of the info is correct here.
Your PM box is full BTW

Tara

Hey Lady! any chance you can correct that info here?:D

Originally posted by DemoMike


Hey Lady! any chance you can correct that info here?:D

Well...I dont want to get any of it wrong..Then I would misdirect the masses:D

Originally posted by Shrock
The specs on the Esteem 1.8 and Sidekick 1.8 look to be pretty indentical, from what I found poking around a little.

One thing to note is that you will be pretty much on your own for dealing with the OBD II wiring though. Last time I asked anyway, TT wasn't doing them.

The yota setup would definitely be sweet. I'd probably be more inclined to go that way. Adapters for 1.6 to yota are available.


Not to get off track on this one, but what's the big deal with the obdII wiring? Yes im sure it needs to be tidy'd up a bit. But with a manual and a soldering iron that seems like an do'able task? Plus with the OBDII you can pull/adjust computer stats with a hand held..

I don't get it.... But than again im fussin over frame rails at the moment...

-yag

Well a little more digging shows that for 99 the Sidekick was changed to a Vitara and came with a 155HP 2.5L V6.

I really doubt a 1.8L 4cyl from Suzuki is making 160HP in stock trim. The 1.8 in the most expensive '02 Esteem makes 122HP. The 2002 2.0L 4cyl makes 127HP.

OBDII there are a LOT more sensors that the computer looks for to make the engine run right so a lot more wires and a lot more things to deal with since the engine will not run right without installing someof the sensors or spoofing the computer to give it a signal. It is by no means impossible, just more work and headaches.

Hey guys this info is great and the main reason I like this page. I called around today and found a place in Rancho cordova Ca. and I can pick up a late 90's 1.6l 16v DOHC mtr and auto w/ T-case and a divorced sami T-case for around $1,850. Is this a good price? Also give me some info on the toy auto and duel case price so I have somthing to compair to. Just a side not I am not a die hard fan of keeping one brand per vehical I just want to build what works and will kick ass, and this time around I want it to be light and also the sami prices seem to be pennies on my EB sh!t. Thanks again.

Originally posted by rokcrln
Hey guys this info is great and the main reason I like this page. I called around today and found a place in Rancho cordova Ca. and I can pick up a late 90's 1.6l 16v DOHC mtr and auto w/ T-case and a divorced sami T-case for around $1,850. Is this a good price? Also give me some info on the toy auto and duel case price so I have somthing to compair to. Just a side not I am not a die hard fan of keeping one brand per vehical I just want to build what works and will kick ass, and this time around I want it to be light and also the sami prices seem to be pennies on my EB sh!t. Thanks again.

This may be pennies for you, but :eek: :eek: " 1.6l 16v DOHC mtr and auto w/ T-case and a divorced sami T-case for around $1,850." I think you could get a complete late 90s tracker/kick for this kind of $$$...I'd look for around $900-1K...

Now don't get me wrong, it is still alot BUT. My EB motor was $11,000 and the tranny (nv4500) was $2,400 and the AtlasII was around $2,200 and don't mention another $25,000 in body ans sourondings. So I am excited to see a full drive train for less than my tranny!

Originally posted by rokcrln
Now don't get me wrong, it is still alot BUT. My EB motor was $11,000 and the tranny (nv4500) was $2,400 and the AtlasII was around $2,200 and don't mention another $25,000 in body ans sourondings. So I am excited to see a full drive train for less than my tranny!

you spent waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much on that EB :eek: :eek: lets see this thing :D

LOL everybody know's that EB owners are rich:p Why are going to a samurai? Did you lose your job?:flipoff2:

Nostill have my job and just want to keep the EB clean but I want to run any trail Iwant and not worry about body damage. And I am no going to a sami just the engine and trans combo set up then full tube and travel.

Seems like the jy price for a 16v with all harnesses etc is around $1500 so that seems like a fair price since the zuk trannys and tcs are generally really cheap.

The toy stuff is just toy mini tranny (5 spd) and toy tcs and a MArlin or AA doubler. I see no need for the more expensive "turbo" toy peices in a zuk. Toy peices are around $5-600 for it all and then you need a doubler $400 and a zuk to toy adapter $400, so around 1500 for the whole deal all said and done. It will put you at 110-130:1 depending on your axle gears and will be way stronger than any zuk tc. If those gears arent enough than you can rear gear on of the toy tcs for another $500 and be at 220:1.

Thanks for the info now what about lengh and weight compaired to the sami stuff?

Length is essentially the same as a stock sami setup, my toy tranny dual case setup is about 1.5 inches longer. The output is a lot higher however. Gives great dshaft clearance, and if you make your rig 95 or longer you wont have any angle problems. You will neet tp point your diff up a lot. A rear hipin would be awesome.

Its heavier than a stock zuk setup, but probably not any heavier than kick stuff, kick stuff is much beefier than sami stuff. Regardless its all WAY lighter than your typical yankee setup.

Scwafish. Are you running the auto or 5spd? How do you like the set up you have and if you did it all over again what would you change and what would you keep the same?

Originally posted by zukstur
Mike Shaffers rig is a 99 side kick with a stock 1.8 (160hp)with stock 5 spd tranny and married t-case and a sammi t-case behind it giving it a 172.1 crawl ratio. He uses d44 diffs with 5:38 gears and 37's.

I used a EB front end for my rear steering and it works great.

The info I posted was an enter view Mike in the august 2002 Off Road mag and the above are his specs he gave the mag.

is this mag out on the shelves yet?

Originally posted by poppycock


you spent waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much on that EB :eek: :eek: lets see this thing :D

This is not all money that I spent but a combo of mine and the last owner. He was a friend of mine that I helped built it and then he died about a year ago. His wife had to sell it and I came up with a round $15,000 for it . It was more important to them (his wife and daughter) that I had it rather than get what we could have for it. Kenny had about $35,000 to $40,000 in it and I have done about $5,000 more since I have had it.

Just a small list of what he spent$ on.

351w- efi-450hp on dyno+ $10,000
Nv4500+$2,500
AtlasII 4.3 =$2,100
D44 front -arb-warn axels $2,000
Currie 9"-35 spln-detroit-strange 3dr- nascar bearing suport-1ton yoke-4.88=$2,600

right their about $19,000 and that is only 6 items not even including a rust free EB.

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good move on the buggy. Keep the rubber side down on that rig.

rokcrln, PM'ed you but your box is full

Zukstur, Sorry about that the box was bigger that I thought but is now fully empty!

I will try and find a pic of my last EB 24 hours after it got the pics done for 4x4 power mag.

And this was one week before the above pic and two months after I finished it. So as you can see I like to have nice sh!t but I also like to play hard!!