RedBullJeep
03-06-2008, 10:59 PM
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Title:
Johnson Valley (the Hammers) threatend by closure. HELP on Mar. 12!
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Mods, because this is from another site, I'll understand if you take it down, but really, it's a land use issue and I feel EVERYONE needs to help. This possible closure will hurt the off road recreation community in a big way. Heck, it would be good to creat Sticky's in the other forums pointing people to this thread...I know, that's asking a ton...but I ask because I believe this is important.
The short of it... there is a big closure on the horizon at Johnson Valley that has been posted in other threads all over the internet. Land used in the famous off road area is subject to closure due to a military expansion. Some people will try to say that it's not a big deal, the discussions on this have just begun and no real plans have been made...to that I'll remind you that the SAME thing happened in the Fort Irwin issue just recently and we lost thousands of acreas of prime off-road land in that debacle. We sat on our hands when some of the offroad land use people told us "don't worry, it's very early in the game," and before we knew it, the fences were up and they WILL NOT come down. NOT THIS TIME!
This issue is a MAJOR threat to the offroad community as the Marines are talking about taking over major sections of Johnson Valley. We're trying to get people to join us in an online rally to show that offroaders want to be sure that amazing area remains open to our use. Please, join us this coming Wednesday, March 12, and get as many people as possible to join in to show how many people are concerned.
Here's the info:
Announcing the first ever, Pirate4x4.com: VIRTUAL RALLY FOR THE HAMMERS
Please read the following very carefully!
We need your help to pull this off and make it effective. Any and all input is greatly appreciated and will be carefully listened to.
First, let me be VERY clear. It does not look good for the Hammers.
John Stewart for Cal4Wheel is working extremely hard on this with several other people and organizations, but they cannot do it all alone. Like never before, the OHV community needs to develop a grass-roots effort to show that we have strength in numbers and that we care about our trails being taken away from us.
Here is the goal:
In a four hour time frame we want to pack the Pirate4x4.com Bulletin Board with a HUGE number of people. We will then have validated tracking of the amount of people checking in on this subject, turning this online effort into a true rally, without you needing to leave your home!
All politicians care about is numbers. If you have ever taken a poly-sci class you may remember hearing that 1 letter from a person is seen as roughly equaling 300 votes. The greatest number of users ever logged into Pirate was 3,305 on 2/11/2008. The goal is to CRUSH that number and have all of those people post up in the Rally thread what the Hammers mean to them and to the OHV community.
When the rally is over, we will lock the thread and create a follow-up press release to the powers that be, showing how many people attended this virtual rally, how many posts there were, and invite them to read the thread and our concerns if they did not attend.
Here is the Plan:
1. We will issue a press release this Friday to politicians, media outlets, companies etc. announcing a virtual rally on http://www.Pirate4x4.com/forum and invite them to sign in and see just how many people are concerned with this issue.
2. We are asking everyone to do a mass e-mail to ALL members of the offroad and RV community this Friday asking them to participate in the rally as well.
3. We will come up with “sample” posts to put in the thread to give people an idea of what we are hoping to see people writing during the rally. Even people that have NEVER been to the Hammers need to post their concerns. This is all about showing how many of us there are and that we have a VOICE as a community.
4. The Rally will be on WEDNESDAY MARCH 12th from 2 to 6 pm Pacific Standard time.
5. One of the Pirate4x4 forum members will start the “Rally” thread at 2pm that day. As of now, it will be in the "chit-chat" section of the bulletin board, but we may be able to have it in all forums at once.
6. In the thread we ask people to post their concerns about our trails being taken away, why the Hammers should remain open, pictures of them and their FAMILIES in the Hammers (appropriate ones!), etc. etc. People are encouraged to post multiple times.
ALL CHIT-CHAT B.S. AND INAPPRIOPRATE POSTS WILL BE DELETED! We plan on having important people read this thread. If we are not on our best behavior, the OHV community will look bad.
7. As stated above, after the rally another press-release will be issued showing the number of people attending the rally, the number of posts, data on how fast the thread grew etc… We will also invite those in power that did not attend to read the thread.
What I am asking from all of you:
1. PLEASE: Get the word out! E-mail everyone you know, put something about it in your sig-line, go to other boards and sites and announce the rally, send out bulletins on Myspace etc. etc.
2. Write sample “posts” for people to see and post them here. Hopefully, they can type something up over the weekend and just cut and paste it on the day of the Rally.
3. Actually take part in the rally. The web address again is http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum
Will this Rally save the Hammers? I do not know. But if it shows politicians and land-managers that we are a force to reckon with because of our numbers, it may make them think twice.
Why am I doing this if I have never been to the Hammers? During the ELDO fiasco last summer, I asked for help in chit-chat. People asked me, “Why should we help you guys? Where were YOU when OUR trails were being closed?” After I though about it, they were right. Where was I? It seems that we only fight for what is in our own backyards. Not anymore. I promised the PBB in that thread I would fight route closures EVERYWHERE. So I am.
It’s AWN like Donkey KONG! Sooooo, GET IT!
Kurt Schneider
The Friends of Eldorado National Forest.
Title:
Johnson Valley (the Hammers) threatend by closure. HELP on Mar. 12!
Text:
Mods, because this is from another site, I'll understand if you take it down, but really, it's a land use issue and I feel EVERYONE needs to help. This possible closure will hurt the off road recreation community in a big way. Heck, it would be good to creat Sticky's in the other forums pointing people to this thread...I know, that's asking a ton...but I ask because I believe this is important.
The short of it... there is a big closure on the horizon at Johnson Valley that has been posted in other threads all over the internet. Land used in the famous off road area is subject to closure due to a military expansion. Some people will try to say that it's not a big deal, the discussions on this have just begun and no real plans have been made...to that I'll remind you that the SAME thing happened in the Fort Irwin issue just recently and we lost thousands of acreas of prime off-road land in that debacle. We sat on our hands when some of the offroad land use people told us "don't worry, it's very early in the game," and before we knew it, the fences were up and they WILL NOT come down. NOT THIS TIME!
This issue is a MAJOR threat to the offroad community as the Marines are talking about taking over major sections of Johnson Valley. We're trying to get people to join us in an online rally to show that offroaders want to be sure that amazing area remains open to our use. Please, join us this coming Wednesday, March 12, and get as many people as possible to join in to show how many people are concerned.
Here's the info:
Announcing the first ever, Pirate4x4.com: VIRTUAL RALLY FOR THE HAMMERS
Please read the following very carefully!
We need your help to pull this off and make it effective. Any and all input is greatly appreciated and will be carefully listened to.
First, let me be VERY clear. It does not look good for the Hammers.
John Stewart for Cal4Wheel is working extremely hard on this with several other people and organizations, but they cannot do it all alone. Like never before, the OHV community needs to develop a grass-roots effort to show that we have strength in numbers and that we care about our trails being taken away from us.
Here is the goal:
In a four hour time frame we want to pack the Pirate4x4.com Bulletin Board with a HUGE number of people. We will then have validated tracking of the amount of people checking in on this subject, turning this online effort into a true rally, without you needing to leave your home!
All politicians care about is numbers. If you have ever taken a poly-sci class you may remember hearing that 1 letter from a person is seen as roughly equaling 300 votes. The greatest number of users ever logged into Pirate was 3,305 on 2/11/2008. The goal is to CRUSH that number and have all of those people post up in the Rally thread what the Hammers mean to them and to the OHV community.
When the rally is over, we will lock the thread and create a follow-up press release to the powers that be, showing how many people attended this virtual rally, how many posts there were, and invite them to read the thread and our concerns if they did not attend.
Here is the Plan:
1. We will issue a press release this Friday to politicians, media outlets, companies etc. announcing a virtual rally on http://www.Pirate4x4.com/forum and invite them to sign in and see just how many people are concerned with this issue.
2. We are asking everyone to do a mass e-mail to ALL members of the offroad and RV community this Friday asking them to participate in the rally as well.
3. We will come up with “sample” posts to put in the thread to give people an idea of what we are hoping to see people writing during the rally. Even people that have NEVER been to the Hammers need to post their concerns. This is all about showing how many of us there are and that we have a VOICE as a community.
4. The Rally will be on WEDNESDAY MARCH 12th from 2 to 6 pm Pacific Standard time.
5. One of the Pirate4x4 forum members will start the “Rally” thread at 2pm that day. As of now, it will be in the "chit-chat" section of the bulletin board, but we may be able to have it in all forums at once.
6. In the thread we ask people to post their concerns about our trails being taken away, why the Hammers should remain open, pictures of them and their FAMILIES in the Hammers (appropriate ones!), etc. etc. People are encouraged to post multiple times.
ALL CHIT-CHAT B.S. AND INAPPRIOPRATE POSTS WILL BE DELETED! We plan on having important people read this thread. If we are not on our best behavior, the OHV community will look bad.
7. As stated above, after the rally another press-release will be issued showing the number of people attending the rally, the number of posts, data on how fast the thread grew etc… We will also invite those in power that did not attend to read the thread.
What I am asking from all of you:
1. PLEASE: Get the word out! E-mail everyone you know, put something about it in your sig-line, go to other boards and sites and announce the rally, send out bulletins on Myspace etc. etc.
2. Write sample “posts” for people to see and post them here. Hopefully, they can type something up over the weekend and just cut and paste it on the day of the Rally.
3. Actually take part in the rally. The web address again is http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum
Will this Rally save the Hammers? I do not know. But if it shows politicians and land-managers that we are a force to reckon with because of our numbers, it may make them think twice.
Why am I doing this if I have never been to the Hammers? During the ELDO fiasco last summer, I asked for help in chit-chat. People asked me, “Why should we help you guys? Where were YOU when OUR trails were being closed?” After I though about it, they were right. Where was I? It seems that we only fight for what is in our own backyards. Not anymore. I promised the PBB in that thread I would fight route closures EVERYWHERE. So I am.
It’s AWN like Donkey KONG! Sooooo, GET IT!
Kurt Schneider
The Friends of Eldorado National Forest.